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SanAntonioSteelerFan
07-29-2010, 10:13 PM
Maybe not much we didn't know, but it does talk about some high school and college stuff I hadn't read before.

Bottom line is - this is all history - it's what he does from here on out that matters. If the gist of this article is true, I hope he's undergoing counseling regularly.



http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/30/sport ... anted=1&hp (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/30/sports/football/30quarterback.html?pagewanted=1&hp)




July 29, 2010
Ben Roethlisberger’s Journey to Notoriety
By THAYER EVANS
Before the two Super Bowl titles, the $102 million contract and the well-chronicled accusations of sexual assault, Ben Roethlisberger was a college quarterback in 2004, about to realize his dream of playing in the N.F.L.

Mike Iriti, a childhood friend and a teammate at Miami University in Ohio, was with Roethlisberger and others in the days before the Pittsburgh Steelers drafted him 11th over all. Roethlisberger slipped off to a room by himself, Iriti said, and cried.

“He knew that it was going to be completely different,” Iriti said. “It was one of those ultimate realizations that life ain’t the same. I think he kind of had that feeling of, Who do I look at as my true friends? He lost that vision somewhere.”

Indeed, as Roethlisberger prepares to report to the Steelers’ training camp Friday, life is not the same for the quarterback once affectionately known as Big Ben.

In the spring Roethlisberger, 28, was accused of sexually assaulting a woman at a Georgia nightclub, then scolded by the district attorney in the case, although no charges were filed. He also faces a suit filed last July by a woman who contends he raped her in 2008 at a Lake Tahoe hotel and casino.

In April, N.F.L. Commissioner Roger Goodell suspended Roethlisberger for six games for violating the league’s personal conduct policy and ordered him to get a behavioral evaluation. In discussing the penalty, Goodell cited not only the Georgia incident, but also a “pattern of behavior and bad judgments.”

To Roethlisberger’s many fans, the revelations of his conduct have come as a shock. But to many who knew him growing up in Findlay, Ohio, played with him in college or saw his personality change in Pittsburgh, the seeds of his problems were sown long ago.

“It took awhile,” Ryan Hawk, a backup to Roethlisberger at Miami, said in a telephone interview, “but it’s all coming out now.”

Roethlisberger did not respond to an interview request through his agent.

Those who knew the young Roethlisberger described him as a person who was intensely driven to succeed in athletics but who was allowed little time to develop socially. He had friends, they said, but few were close. He could be charming at times, they said, but usually when it served his self-interests.

Childhood Focus on Sports

Roethlisberger faced considerable loss early in life. His parents divorced when he was 2, and he lived with his father, Ken. When he was 8, his mother, Ida, died of injuries sustained in a car crash. She was on her way to visit him.

By then, his father had remarried, according to news accounts. The family later moved from Lima, Ohio, to Findlay, a quiet town of about 37,000 in northwestern Ohio. Roethlisberger immersed himself in sports, excelling in football, basketball and baseball.

Tara McCullough, who also grew up in northwestern Ohio and dated Roethlisberger briefly when they were freshmen at Miami, said she had childhood memories of seeing him shooting baskets for hours on end at a recreation center.

“He seemed really driven in terms of athletics,” she said.

Roethlisberger’s father, a former pitcher and quarterback at Georgia Tech, encouraged him.

Iriti said Roethlisberger could not spend the night at a friend’s house unless his father and stepmother had two days’ notice to check out the arrangement. Clayton Acheson, who played high school basketball with Roethlisberger, described him as sheltered.

Roethlisberger emerged as an intense competitor, even in recreational activities like table tennis and pool. Acheson described him as “Michael Jordan competitive.”

“He pretty much knew how good he was,” Acheson said. “He was a good kid. That’s why I think a lot of this is going down now, because he never lived like any of us in high school, having fun, doing this and that. He was completely focused.”

But as Roethlisberger began to succeed on the field, he also began to exhibit signs of privilege that later characterized his recent actions off the field, those who knew him said. Iriti recalled that Roethlisberger did not show up for a couple of practices for a youth travel baseball team and that Iriti’s father cut him.

“He definitely had the thought that he didn’t have to do things,” Iriti said.

Roethlisberger’s senior year of high school, when he became the starting quarterback and set state records, had its share of drama. Some of his receivers felt forced to befriend Roethlisberger out of fear that he would not throw the ball to them, said Josh Huston, a former teammate who went on to be a kicker for Ohio State.

Iriti recalled that Roethlisberger nearly quit the football team. At one practice, Roethlisberger was sent to the sideline after hitting his hand on a helmet while throwing a pass and could only watch as Iriti excelled. Roethlisberger, he recalled, sulked and said: “I don’t like it. I hate it.”

The coach had to convince Roethlisberger that the team needed him, Iriti said.

“He’s just that type of person,” Iriti said. “I don’t think he understands who he is. He doesn’t understand just because you have a talent doesn’t mean that you have the right to just automatically dismiss everything. There’s more to being Ben Roethlisberger than just throwing footballs.”

High school classmates considered Roethlisberger cocky, Acheson said, adding that he tried too hard and was difficult to talk to because he was so focused on succeeding athletically. Huston said he rarely spent time with Roethlisberger because he did not like his swagger, trash talk and competitiveness beyond sports.

“I think he felt like he needed more respect than what he got off the field for being a good athlete,” Huston said in a telephone interview.

Even rare conversations with Roethlisberger were forced, Acheson said.

“He didn’t care about any of us or what we were doing,” he said. “It was tunnel vision completely.”

When the police were dispatched to parties, Acheson said, Roethlisberger was often chosen to talk to them and smooth things over. “He got us out of a few parties with the cops,” Acheson said. “He wasn’t ever drinking. We’d just have him go out there.”

In an interview with a Pittsburgh television station in June, Roethlisberger said his father did not allow alcohol in the house.

High school classmates recalled that Roethlisberger mainly dated the class president.

“No girls were throwing themselves at him,” Acheson said.

In College, No Competition

Instead, he was attracting the attention of recruiters from Division I football programs. Iriti said Roethlisberger once told him that if a quarterback named Rick McFadden went to Ohio State, he would not play for the Buckeyes.

After McFadden announced his intention to attend Ohio State, Roethlisberger chose between Duke and Miami, neither one a football power.

“He’s never had any competition,” Iriti said.

The only competition at Miami came from Hawk, who eventually transferred. Hawk recalled Roethlisberger as a teammate who set his own rules.

As Miami freshmen they were going to redshirt, but Hawk was forced into action late in the season because of injuries.

Players like Roethlisberger, who traveled with the team but were not expected to play, were supposed to participate in 5 a.m. weight-lifting sessions the day before games. But Roethlisberger never showed up, which upset the older players, Hawk said.

Roethlisberger’s absences, Hawk said, caused the team to institute a rule requiring freshmen to participate in the sessions unless they were playing. When Roethlisberger became the Miami starter the next season, Hawk said, his teammates openly laughed at him for missing the weight-lifting sessions.

“It was little stuff like that that built up,” Hawk said.

When McCullough dated Roethlisberger in college, she said, he was so shy that he came across as arrogant. She recalled that he often waited outside her dormitory for her to return from volleyball practice and that he wrote letters and notes that said, “You’re beautiful.”

McCullough said she did not notice anything unusual about Roethlisberger and that he was never sexually inappropriate. Like others, she did not recall his drinking alcohol heavily at Miami.

“He was nice,” McCullough said. “He was flattering all in a good, fine way.”

So she was stunned by the recent allegations against him.

“It is hard for me to fathom just because it’s not the person that I knew,” she said, her voice cracking. “It’s hard for me to wrap my mind around it.”

When Roethlisberger was drafted, he celebrated with his family and friends at a New York hotel. Holding an alcoholic drink, he leaned over to his high school friend Scott Andrus and whispered, “This is the first time I’ve drank in front of my parents.”

“I was dumbfounded,” Andrus said, “but that’s how much respect Ben has” for his family.

In the N.F.L., a Change

When Roethlisberger arrived in Pittsburgh as a rookie in 2004, he was low-key. Stephanie Barnhart, who was a waitress at the now-closed sports bar Hi-Tops, said he did not drink alcohol.

“He was very quiet and innocent when he first started,” Barnhart said in a telephone interview. “He was very, very polite.”

But Roethlisberger’s behavior, by many accounts, changed after he won his first Super Bowl, in February 2006. Four months later, he sustained head injuries in a motorcycle crash. He was not wearing a helmet.

As Roethlisberger became a fixture in Pittsburgh bars and clubs, word spread about his boorish manner.

Throughout the Pittsburgh area, he developed a reputation among waiters and bartenders for leaving without paying and, if he did pay, for tipping poorly. His behavior toward women grew increasingly aggressive and demanding, with those he dated and those he encountered at nightclubs, those who know him said.

“It got to the extent the past two or three years that it was a phenomenon,” said Jesse Herrle, general manager of Tad’s on East Carson, a bar on Pittsburgh’s trendy South Side. “It grew into something he lost control of and it turned on him. He became a joke in this town and, in my industry, a laughingstock. People knew when he was in a bar or out and about; he was a punch line.”

In the Pittsburgh television interview in June, Roethlisberger acknowledged that he was not prepared for his transition to fame.

“To get thrown into that so fast, I got so overwhelmed with it that it consumed me,” he said.

A woman who dated Roethlisberger shortly after he joined the Steelers said that when they met, he was “a very down-to-earth guy” who often talked about his family. But by the time she stopped seeing him after his first Super Bowl victory, he had changed.

“It was quick fame,” said the woman, who spoke on condition of anonymity because she feared her past relationship with Roethlisberger might harm her professionally. “It was just different.”

Whatever the reasons for the change — the success, the money, the motorcycle accident — Roethlisberger will return to the site of his greatest success on Friday. For him, the rules have changed, if not on the field, then off it.


Pete Thamel contributed reporting.

Crash
07-29-2010, 10:21 PM
That article isn't that bad. But some sour grapes from some former hangers on and his backup are apparent.

Just rehashed interviews from people milking their 15 minutes.

NJ-STEELER
07-29-2010, 10:43 PM
in my time, i've come across divison 3 offensive linemen that thought they were entitled to certain things because they were "athletes" and didn't treat people that great.


does this really come as a surprise when the guys that makem it to the ultimate level display some of these qualities?

please.....

stlrz d
07-29-2010, 10:50 PM
in my time, i've come across divison 3 offensive linemen that thought they were entitled to certain things because they were "athletes" and didn't treat people that great.


does this really come as a surprise when the guys that makem it to the ultimate level display some of these qualities?

please.....

I played DIII football with guys who juiced and walked around campus like they were really something special. :lol:

Sugar
07-29-2010, 10:57 PM
That article isn't that bad. But some sour grapes from some former hangers on and his backup are apparent.

Just rehashed interviews from people milking their 15 minutes.

Yeah, I know one of the guys interviewed here. While I'd consider him an acquaintance/friend I'd also take anything he say's about Ben with a whole spoonful of salt.

NJ-STEELER
07-29-2010, 11:31 PM
[quote="NJ-STEELER":2i7xbdy5]in my time, i've come across divison 3 offensive linemen that thought they were entitled to certain things because they were "athletes" and didn't treat people that great.


does this really come as a surprise when the guys that makem it to the ultimate level display some of these qualities?

please.....

I played DIII football with guys who juiced and walked around campus like they were really something special. :lol:[/quote:2i7xbdy5]

i was talking about you

:D

:Cheers

stlrz d
07-29-2010, 11:44 PM
[quote="stlrz d":128r800x][quote="NJ-STEELER":128r800x]in my time, i've come across divison 3 offensive linemen that thought they were entitled to certain things because they were "athletes" and didn't treat people that great.


does this really come as a surprise when the guys that makem it to the ultimate level display some of these qualities?

please.....

I played DIII football with guys who juiced and walked around campus like they were really something special. :lol:[/quote:128r800x]

i was talking about you

:D

:Cheers[/quote:128r800x]

I was a Safety, not an O lineman. I really was something special while they just thought they were! :lol:

Flasteel
07-30-2010, 12:25 AM
“It was quick fame,” said the woman, who spoke on condition of anonymity because she feared her past relationship with Roethlisberger might harm her professionally.

Jesus. Has it really come to this? I'm not sure what she does for a living, but it's hard to believe that dating Ben Roethlisberger would harm her career.

Any guesses as to what she does? Maybe she's a waitress and figures she could never get a job in the Pittsburgh service industry if she was known to sleep with the enemy.

Ravens cheerleader?

Crash
07-30-2010, 12:34 AM
I'm guessing if she's local she's a news chick.

Flasteel
07-30-2010, 12:37 AM
I'm guessing if she's local she's a news chick.

Good call.

I guess now it's time for all you locals to start throwing out potential candidates. :D

NJ-STEELER
07-30-2010, 02:21 AM
trenni would fit the profile


j/k

Ghost
07-30-2010, 01:16 PM
All of the guys talking about him have NO CODE and are giant douchbags. The truthfulness of what they say is irrrelevant. You just don't do it. How hard is to say "no comment"? They all make themselves look bad.


Does anyone know - the article infers he could have played QB for Ohio St but chose not to. How did he go from OSU to Miami (OH) and Duke? There were no other big time schools looking at him (Pitt, Mich St, WVU, etc.)?

papillon
07-30-2010, 01:32 PM
When Roethlisberger arrived in Pittsburgh as a rookie in 2004, he was low-key. Stephanie Barnhart, who was a waitress at the now-closed sports bar Hi-Tops, said he did not drink alcohol.

“He was very quiet and innocent when he first started,” Barnhart said in a telephone interview. “He was very, very polite.”

But Roethlisberger’s behavior, by many accounts, changed after he won his first Super Bowl, in February 2006. Four months later, he sustained head injuries in a motorcycle crash. He was not wearing a helmet.

As Roethlisberger became a fixture in Pittsburgh bars and clubs, word spread about his boorish manner.

Based on the comments the girl he dated as a freshman made and the folks at bars prior to his motorcycle accident Ben as introverted, polite, and competitive. I wonder if the impact of the collision could have altered his personality?

The girl he dated in college sounds like she wishes it would never have ended. And, now we have 2 accusations of sexual assault. The brain is powerful and not really understood to any great degree yet.

Pappy

steelblood
07-30-2010, 01:40 PM
All of the guys talking about him have NO CODE and are giant douchbags. The truthfulness of what they say is irrrelevant. You just don't do it. How hard is to say "no comment"? They all make themselves look bad.


Does anyone know - the article infers he could have played QB for Ohio St but chose not to. How did he go from OSU to Miami (OH) and Duke? There were no other big time schools looking at him (Pitt, Mich St, WVU, etc.)?

I agree that those who talked are jerks. What is the point now, other than to make Ben look bad? However, it is obvious that Ben did change and that change coincided with his SB victory and motorcycle accident. If I'm Ben's dad, I'm getting an independent (not Steeler's affiliated) neurologist involved in determining if his head trauma has effected his behavior and how dangerous another concussion could be to him.

No other big schools were interested. It is hard to say why. He only played one year, but he was very good.

Crash
07-30-2010, 02:08 PM
If I'm Ben's dad, I'm getting an independent (not Steeler's affiliated) neurologist involved in determining if his head trauma has effected his behavior and how dangerous another concussion could be to him.

I think the NFL did that.

But, remember, McNulty is a loon, and the evidence doesn't support rape in Georgia. Booze may have made him an ******* in public, and a sense of entitlement has been going on with athletes and bar tabs for years.

Shoe
07-31-2010, 12:20 PM
If I'm Ben's dad, I'm getting an independent (not Steeler's affiliated) neurologist involved in determining if his head trauma has effected his behavior and how dangerous another concussion could be to him.

CAMON... isn't winning the SB & becoming a superstar a more obvious reason for a change in his sex habits than head injuries making him some sort of deviant? And yeah, it's just unfortunate for him that his GA forcejob came after meeting that psycho lady in Tahoe. I'm not excusing his behavior; but I'm sure his father can tell if he has screws loose now, or whether you just had too much tang available to him and it made him too grabby.

siss
07-31-2010, 12:38 PM
If I'm Ben's dad, I'm getting an independent (not Steeler's affiliated) neurologist involved in determining if his head trauma has effected his behavior and how dangerous another concussion could be to him.

I think the NFL did that.

But, remember, McNulty is a loon, and the evidence doesn't support rape in Georgia. Booze may have made him an bad word in public, and a sense of entitlement has been going on with athletes and bar tabs for years.
Ummm I thought he was sent to an NFL approved facility. So thats not an independent Doctor. I would do the same thing with my son.

feltdizz
07-31-2010, 12:45 PM
If I'm Ben's dad, I'm getting an independent (not Steeler's affiliated) neurologist involved in determining if his head trauma has effected his behavior and how dangerous another concussion could be to him.

I think the NFL did that.

But, remember, McNulty is a loon, and the evidence doesn't support rape in Georgia. Booze may have made him an bad word in public, and a sense of entitlement has been going on with athletes and bar tabs for years.
Ummm I thought he was sent to an NFL approved facility. So thats not an independent Doctor. I would do the same thing with my son.

if your son was worth 100 million you wouldn't have the power to send him anywhere.

siss
07-31-2010, 01:04 PM
If I'm Ben's dad, I'm getting an independent (not Steeler's affiliated) neurologist involved in determining if his head trauma has effected his behavior and how dangerous another concussion could be to him.

I think the NFL did that.

But, remember, McNulty is a loon, and the evidence doesn't support rape in Georgia. Booze may have made him an bad word in public, and a sense of entitlement has been going on with athletes and bar tabs for years.
Ummm I thought he was sent to an NFL approved facility. So thats not an independent Doctor. I would do the same thing with my son.

if your son was worth 100 million you wouldn't have the power to send him anywhere.
He's still my son and will still bend him over my knee, I don't care how much he makes and he will go see a neurologist...because I said so.

feltdizz
07-31-2010, 01:08 PM
If I'm Ben's dad, I'm getting an independent (not Steeler's affiliated) neurologist involved in determining if his head trauma has effected his behavior and how dangerous another concussion could be to him.

I think the NFL did that.

But, remember, McNulty is a loon, and the evidence doesn't support rape in Georgia. Booze may have made him an bad word in public, and a sense of entitlement has been going on with athletes and bar tabs for years.
Ummm I thought he was sent to an NFL approved facility. So thats not an independent Doctor. I would do the same thing with my son.

if your son was worth 100 million you wouldn't have the power to send him anywhere.
He's still my son and will still bend him over my knee, I don't care how much he makes and he will go see a neurologist...because I said so.
I believe you....I don't know why I believe you... but I do :Bow

Crash
07-31-2010, 01:15 PM
If I'm Ben's dad, I'm getting an independent (not Steeler's affiliated) neurologist involved in determining if his head trauma has effected his behavior and how dangerous another concussion could be to him.

I think the NFL did that.

But, remember, McNulty is a loon, and the evidence doesn't support rape in Georgia. Booze may have made him an bad word in public, and a sense of entitlement has been going on with athletes and bar tabs for years.
Ummm I thought he was sent to an NFL approved facility. So thats not an independent Doctor. I would do the same thing with my son.

They did. But IMO if Ben has/had a "head issue" I think it would have leaked out.

siss
07-31-2010, 01:21 PM
Oh I think he would have been forced into retirement if that was the case. But how hard did they look?

NJ-STEELER
08-06-2010, 08:08 PM
Does anyone know - the article infers he could have played QB for Ohio St but chose not to. How did he go from OSU to Miami (OH) and Duke? There were no other big time schools looking at him (Pitt, Mich St, WVU, etc.)?

most likely because he only played teh 1 yr of Qb at highschool.

tough to go into a big time program and start from day 1 with 1 year of experience

Shawn
08-06-2010, 09:25 PM
If I'm Ben's dad, I'm getting an independent (not Steeler's affiliated) neurologist involved in determining if his head trauma has effected his behavior and how dangerous another concussion could be to him.

CAMON... isn't winning the SB & becoming a superstar a more obvious reason for a change in his sex habits than head injuries making him some sort of deviant? And yeah, it's just unfortunate for him that his GA forcejob came after meeting that psycho lady in Tahoe. I'm not excusing his behavior; but I'm sure his father can tell if he has screws loose now, or whether you just had too much tang available to him and it made him too grabby.

I would consider the head trauma to be just as likely to cause personality changes as the fame. Both probably played a role. Injury to the brain which causes subtle and sometimes not so subtle personality change are often not picked up on MRI. There are injuries which can only be seen upon autopsy.

RuthlessBurgher
08-07-2010, 01:09 PM
If I'm Ben's dad, I'm getting an independent (not Steeler's affiliated) neurologist involved in determining if his head trauma has effected his behavior and how dangerous another concussion could be to him.

CAMON... isn't winning the SB & becoming a superstar a more obvious reason for a change in his sex habits than head injuries making him some sort of deviant? And yeah, it's just unfortunate for him that his GA forcejob came after meeting that psycho lady in Tahoe. I'm not excusing his behavior; but I'm sure his father can tell if he has screws loose now, or whether you just had too much tang available to him and it made him too grabby.

I would consider the head trauma to be just as likely to cause personality changes as the fame. Both probably played a role. Injury to the brain which causes subtle and sometimes not so subtle personality change are often not picked up on MRI. There are injuries which can only be seen upon autopsy.

That clinches it. Let's kill him and find out for sure!

*kidding...kidding*

But I bet if I was one of the Ben-hating posters, someone might take that seriously.

feltdizz
08-08-2010, 11:16 AM
If I'm Ben's dad, I'm getting an independent (not Steeler's affiliated) neurologist involved in determining if his head trauma has effected his behavior and how dangerous another concussion could be to him.

CAMON... isn't winning the SB & becoming a superstar a more obvious reason for a change in his sex habits than head injuries making him some sort of deviant? And yeah, it's just unfortunate for him that his GA forcejob came after meeting that psycho lady in Tahoe. I'm not excusing his behavior; but I'm sure his father can tell if he has screws loose now, or whether you just had too much tang available to him and it made him too grabby.

I would consider the head trauma to be just as likely to cause personality changes as the fame. Both probably played a role. Injury to the brain which causes subtle and sometimes not so subtle personality change are often not picked up on MRI. There are injuries which can only be seen upon autopsy.

That clinches it. Let's kill him and find out for sure!

*kidding...kidding*

But I bet if I was one of the Ben-hating posters, someone might take that seriously.

someone definitely would. I once said "I trust Ben in the 4th qtr when we need a TD but off the field I can't really say I know him to trust his behavior...". I got a response that said, "so you don't trust him in the 1st thru 3rd quarters? Why don't you admit you want him gone"
:wft

On a serious note... I think fame, money and SB's are what changed his behavior. More money more problems... I never understood the whole "he wasn't like this at Miami or in HS" argument.

That's like saying Eminem wasn't a pill popping angry guy when he was in HS or when he was flipping burgers...

Not to sound rude but who cares about these guys when the are normal people having a bad day? Even if friends or people recount old stories of douchetastic behavior they can easily be labeled haters or bitter friends that were left behind.

Hopefully this is the last we hear of off field problems with Ben. I think regardless of how
harsh some people think the suspension is we can all agree that Ben, the media, and our cities focus has moved beyond the incident and that is a good thing. Ben is focused, in shape and has another chip on his shoulder and that is when he is at his best.

DukieBoy
08-08-2010, 12:10 PM
If I'm Ben's dad, I'm getting an independent (not Steeler's affiliated) neurologist involved in determining if his head trauma has effected his behavior and how dangerous another concussion could be to him.

CAMON... isn't winning the SB & becoming a superstar a more obvious reason for a change in his sex habits than head injuries making him some sort of deviant? And yeah, it's just unfortunate for him that his GA forcejob came after meeting that psycho lady in Tahoe. I'm not excusing his behavior; but I'm sure his father can tell if he has screws loose now, or whether you just had too much tang available to him and it made him too grabby.

I would consider the head trauma to be just as likely to cause personality changes as the fame. Both probably played a role. Injury to the brain which causes subtle and sometimes not so subtle personality change are often not picked up on MRI. There are injuries which can only be seen upon autopsy.



Excerpted from here: http://www.neuroskills.com/tbi/injury.shtml

Overview of Traumatic Brain Injury

Traumatic brain injury (TBI) can significantly affect many cognitive, physical, and psychological skills. Physical deficit can include ambulation, balance, coordination, fine motor skills, strength, and endurance. Cognitive deficits of language and communication, information processing, memory, and perceptual skills are common. Psychological status is also often altered. Adjustment to disability issues are frequently encountered by people with TBI.

Brain injury can occur in many ways. Traumatic brain injuries typically result from accidents in which the head strikes an object. This is the most common type of traumatic brain injury. However, other brain injuries, such as those caused by insufficient oxygen, poisoning, or infection, can cause similar deficits.

Mild Traumatic Brain Injury (MTBI) is characterized by one or more of the following symptoms: a brief loss of consciousness, loss of memory immediately before or after the injury, any alteration in mental state at the time of the accident, or focal neurological deficits. In many MTBI cases, the person seems fine on the surface, yet continues to endure chronic functional problems. Some people suffer long-term effects of MTBI, known as postconcussion syndrome (PCS). Persons suffering from PCS can experience significant changes in cognition and personality.

And, excerpted from here:
http://www.traumatic-brain-injury-resou ... fects.html (http://www.traumatic-brain-injury-resource.com/traumatic_brain_injury/effects.html)

COGNITIVE IMPAIRMENTS «
Cognitive impairments can occur as a result from a traumatic brain injury, like trouble concentrating, trouble organizing thoughts, and becoming easily confused or forgetful. The damage from the traumatic brain injury can result in learning new information to become difficult and interpreting other's actions will lead to social problems, like making inappropriate statements. The TBI damage can also cause problem solving, decision-making, and planning to become difficult, in addition to judgment.

grotonsteel
08-08-2010, 02:51 PM
someone definitely would. I once said "I trust Ben in the 4th qtr when we need a TD but off the field I can't really say I know him to trust his behavior...". I got a response that said, "so you don't trust him in the 1st thru 3rd quarters? Why don't you admit you want him gone"
:wft

On a serious note... I think fame, money and SB's are what changed his behavior. More money more problems... I never understood the whole "he wasn't like this at Miami or in HS" argument.

That's like saying Eminem wasn't a pill popping angry guy when he was in HS or when he was flipping burgers...

Not to sound rude but who cares about these guys when the are normal people having a bad day? Even if friends or people recount old stories of douchetastic behavior they can easily be labeled haters or bitter friends that were left behind.

Hopefully this is the last we hear of off field problems with Ben. I think regardless of how
harsh some people think the suspension is we can all agree that Ben, the media, and our cities focus has moved beyond the incident and that is a good thing. Ben is focused, in shape and has another chip on his shoulder and that is when he is at his best.


Here is your old quote "I don't want to start a flame war, and I'm definitely about as far from a Peyton Manning fan as there can be, BUT ... it is pretty darn impressive how much this dude prepares for games.

I wish Ben, either by more studying or ANY other means that "works for him" would learn to read defenses as well, or even partially as well, as Manning.

He's relatively young, but the clock is ticking. If he doesn't step up that part of his game this coming year or next, I think what we see is what we'll always have."

Let me tell you..if Big Ben throws 2 INT in a game this season ..you will be the first one out of wood work claiming he needs to spend more time watching films..how he can't throw away the ball...how he needs to play like Peyton Manning...

First of all you don't know a **** what Big Ben or Peyton Manning does while preparing for the game.

Second thing Big Ben can't read defenses even partially as well as Peyton ????? :wft

Stop watching Big Ben though Peyton Manning glasses. Big Ben is unique. Try to appreciate that.And more thing Big Ben does not play 8 games a year in a dome.

Atleast you have started trusting Big Ben in 4th Q but still IMO you are a Big Ben :Hater

feltdizz
08-09-2010, 12:27 AM
Here is your old quote "I don't want to start a flame war, and I'm definitely about as far from a Peyton Manning fan as there can be, BUT ... it is pretty darn impressive how much this dude prepares for games.

I wish Ben, either by more studying or ANY other means that "works for him" would learn to read defenses as well, or even partially as well, as Manning.

He's relatively young, but the clock is ticking. If he doesn't step up that part of his game this coming year or next, I think what we see is what we'll always have."

Let me tell you..if Big Ben throws 2 INT in a game this season ..you will be the first one out of wood work claiming he needs to spend more time watching films..how he can't throw away the ball...how he needs to play like Peyton Manning...

First of all you don't know a bad word what Big Ben or Peyton Manning does while preparing for the game.

Second thing Big Ben can't read defenses even partially as well as Peyton ????? :wft

Stop watching Big Ben though Peyton Manning glasses. Big Ben is unique. Try to appreciate that.And more thing Big Ben does not play 8 games a year in a dome.

Atleast you have started trusting Big Ben in 4th Q but still IMO you are a Big Ben :Hater

SanAntonioSteelerfan wrote that you clown. :wink:

http://www.planetsteelers.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10455&hilit=I%27m+definitely+about+as+far+from+a+Peyton+ Manning+fan+as+there+can+be


:owned

grotonsteel
08-09-2010, 09:48 AM
Here is your old quote "I don't want to start a flame war, and I'm definitely about as far from a Peyton Manning fan as there can be, BUT ... it is pretty darn impressive how much this dude prepares for games.

I wish Ben, either by more studying or ANY other means that "works for him" would learn to read defenses as well, or even partially as well, as Manning.

He's relatively young, but the clock is ticking. If he doesn't step up that part of his game this coming year or next, I think what we see is what we'll always have."

Let me tell you..if Big Ben throws 2 INT in a game this season ..you will be the first one out of wood work claiming he needs to spend more time watching films..how he can't throw away the ball...how he needs to play like Peyton Manning...

First of all you don't know a bad word what Big Ben or Peyton Manning does while preparing for the game.

Second thing Big Ben can't read defenses even partially as well as Peyton ????? :wft

Stop watching Big Ben though Peyton Manning glasses. Big Ben is unique. Try to appreciate that.And more thing Big Ben does not play 8 games a year in a dome.

Atleast you have started trusting Big Ben in 4th Q but still IMO you are a Big Ben :Hater

SanAntonioSteelerfan wrote that you clown. :wink:

http://www.planetsteelers.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10455&hilit=I%27m+definitely+about+as+far+from+a+Peyton+ Manning+fan+as+there+can+be

My bad.......... :oops:

I guess Sat night club outing can do that to you...

Anyways i do predict you to come out first out of the woodwork when Big Ben throws a multiple INT in a game...


:owned

feltdizz
08-09-2010, 12:58 PM
It's cool.. and yes, I will criticize Ben if he has 2 INT's, I will criticize the D is they have another meltdown and I will criticize Mend if he spins in the hole and fumbles in the redzone.

grotonsteel
08-09-2010, 01:22 PM
It's cool.. and yes, I will criticize Ben if he has 2 INT's, I will criticize the D is they have another meltdown and I will criticize Mend if he spins in the hole and fumbles in the redzone.

As long as its constructive criticism its well n good..but what sucks is when people start with Big Ben need to be like Tom Bradys/Peyton manning of the league.He needs to be in study room ....He does not look good compared to his rookie season...crap...

Crash
08-09-2010, 01:46 PM
I don't want Ben to be like Peyton. Peyton's a choker, and the only ring he won he was carried.

RuthlessBurgher
08-09-2010, 01:49 PM
I don't want Ben to be like Peyton. Peyton's a choker, and the only ring he won he was carried.

Groton was concerned about Ben-haters coming out of the woodwork at the first sight of a sub-par performance following the suspension.

Trust us, Crash...no one will ever confuse you with a Ben hater. :mrgreen:

aggiebones
08-09-2010, 04:09 PM
The good and bad in life can affect our lives greatly. The physical and the mental both.
Losing your mother at 8 when she was visiting you doesn't help. Being raised over-protected before heading into instant stardom spells disaster.
Reminds me of Twins when Arnold comes back from the island and meets Devito. Ben can be Arnold and Harrison can be Devito. But you tell him.

So you have this environment from shelter to overexposure. Then you throw in a massive head injury or 3. Add on some deviant girls that no doubt jumped him and did unspeakable acts to him. Now you've created, frankly, a monster. Its not a surprise really. Seems like he has been shaken awake now. Hopefully he can put the past behind him and move on to the next stage of his life...if his brain isn't too damaged.