PDA

View Full Version : Steelers Training Camp Primer - The Defensive Backs



hawaiiansteel
07-29-2010, 03:03 PM
Pittsburgh Steelers Training Camp Primer - The Defensive Backs

by Michael Bean on Jul 28, 2010


http://cdn3.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/495289/64447_steelers_football.jpg

After a mind bogglingly dominant season in 2008, the Steelers defense returned to earth last year. The final statistics suggested that the Steelers were one of the league's better defenses, but no fan would try to argue that Dick LeBeau's group played up to its potential. The rush defense wasn't the issue - Pittsburgh went the first 14 games without allowing a 100-yard rusher before Ray Rice ran wild in Week 15. It was the play of the inexperienced secondary that let teams back into games and ultimately cost the Steelers a playoff berth.

If All World safety Troy Polamalu returns - and remains - healthy in 2010, the Steelers' secondary woes might just become a distant memory. Polamalu played in just five games last season, appearing for the final time in a Week 10 loss against the Bengals. Success in the NFL rarely hinges on one player, particularly on defense, but the reality is the Steelers were 4-1 with Polamalu in the lineup and 5-6 when #43 wasn't able to go.

Returning for his fourth year as Polamalu's running mate is free safety Ryan Clark, who appeared to be halfway out the door in March during free agency. Just as Clark seemed poised to sign with the Miami Dolphins, the Steelers and Clark came to terms on a reasonable 3-year contract. After opting not to re-sign veteran reserve Tyrone Carter this offseason, the Steelers wisely went to work acquiring depth and experience at safety. They began by signing veteran free agent safety Will Allen, a former 2001 first-round draft pick by the New York Giants who has spent the past three seasons in Miami. Allen should play quite a few snaps as a nickel back, perhaps utilized like Deshea Townsend was in 2008.

Joining Allen as a primary reserve is third-year FS Ryan Mundy. After being plagued by injuries during his rookie year and looking lost and unreliable last season, Mundy is hopefully ready to finally contribute in 2010. Given the injury history of Polamalu and Clark, it's imperative that Mundy has prepared himself adequately to take advantage of the next opportunity that inevitably presents itself.

The situation at cornerback is more complicated and interesting. Ike Taylor, the team's top cover corner, is coming off a down year just like the rest of the secondary. Taylor didn't look a step slow last year, or outclassed physically in any way for that matter. He just missed a crucial assignment here and there, and failed to make momentum changing plays when he was in position to do so. Taylor owns an infamously repellent set of hands, so it wasn't the missed interceptions that were surprising. Instead, it was the fact that the veteran looked lost on several occasions, as well as not quite as engaged and interested in taking on all challenges like he normally has in recent years. Eager to get back to his swaggin' ways, Taylor reportedly upped the ante this spring with his already legendary offseason conditioning regiment. Don't be surprised if Taylor's eighth season in Pittsburgh is his best to date.

The young cornerbacks on the Steelers depth chart took notice of Taylor's work ethic and focus this spring. That's music to the ears of Steeler Nation, as the trio of William Gay, Keenan Lewis and Joe Burnett all struggled in one way or another last season. Gay experienced potentially invaluable growing pains during his first full year as a starter as teams picked on him relentlessly. By season's end, Gay had claimed the crown of 'least popular player' from Willie Colon, thankfully ending his three year reign in the doghouse. Gay recently admitted that he thought he had 'arrived' last summer after excelling in his complimentary role in '08, and then being named a starter for '09 following McFadden's departure. Consequently, Gay didn't prepare quite as diligently as he probably needed to given the big leap he was about to make.

Meanwhile, neither Joe Burnett nor Keenan Lewis had memorable rookie campaigns. Lewis was bothered by lingering back issues and played only sparingly; the defining moment of Burnett's season was when he dropped a 'gimme' interception late in the game against the Oakland Raiders - a pick that would have sealed the game and ultimately put the Steelers into the playoffs. Lewis in particular has looked sharp during spring practices and could conceivably start at some point this season. I include myself in any camp that believes Burnett will contribute in '10.

All three might be chasing Bryant McFadden, who the Steelers reacquired from the Arizona Cardinals on day three of April's draft. McFadden's lone season in the desert was unremarkable, neither great nor awful. His parting gift to Arizona fans was two putrid outings during the playoffs last January. Because of McFadden's experience in Dick LeBeau's system, he will in all likelihood start the year as the #2 CB, leaving Gay, Burnett and Lewis to be primarily deployed in various nickel and dime packages.

Sixth-round draft pick Crezdon Butler will try to nudge his way onto the back end of the crowded depth chart. The speedy but raw CB out of Clemson isn't lacking in self-confidence, so you never know how he might perform in Latrobe. More than likely however, Butler will spend the year on the practice squad learning the ins and outs of playing arguably the most difficult position in all of sports. Finally, Anthony Madison, Pittsburgh's veteran special teams ace, could be a camp casualty if the crop of young players seem to be developing. I wouldn't expect that to happen before the final round of cuts though, because it's a safe bet that Tomlin and his staff will be keeping a close eye on special teams play during camp and the early stages of the preseason.

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/20 ... #storyjump (http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2010/7/28/1591623/pittsburgh-steelers-training-camp#storyjump)

ANPSTEEL
07-29-2010, 03:13 PM
Pittsburgh Steelers Training Camp Primer - The Defensive Backs

by Michael Bean on Jul 28, 2010


http://cdn3.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/495289/64447_steelers_football.jpg

After a mind bogglingly dominant season in 2008, the Steelers defense returned to earth last year. The final statistics suggested that the Steelers were one of the league's better defenses, but no fan would try to argue that bad word LeBeau's group played up to its potential. The rush defense wasn't the issue - Pittsburgh went the first 14 games without allowing a 100-yard rusher before Ray Rice ran wild in Week 15. It was the play of the inexperienced secondary that let teams back into games and ultimately cost the Steelers a playoff berth.

If All World safety Troy Polamalu returns - and remains - healthy in 2010, the Steelers' secondary woes might just become a distant memory. Polamalu played in just five games last season, appearing for the final time in a Week 10 loss against the Bengals. Success in the NFL rarely hinges on one player, particularly on defense, but the reality is the Steelers were 4-1 with Polamalu in the lineup and 5-6 when #43 wasn't able to go.

Returning for his fourth year as Polamalu's running mate is free safety Ryan Clark, who appeared to be halfway out the door in March during free agency. Just as Clark seemed poised to sign with the Miami Dolphins, the Steelers and Clark came to terms on a reasonable 3-year contract. After opting not to re-sign veteran reserve Tyrone Carter this offseason, the Steelers wisely went to work acquiring depth and experience at safety. They began by signing veteran free agent safety Will Allen, a former 2001 first-round draft pick by the New York Giants who has spent the past three seasons in Miami. Allen should play quite a few snaps as a nickel back, perhaps utilized like Deshea Townsend was in 2008.

Joining Allen as a primary reserve is third-year FS Ryan Mundy. After being plagued by injuries during his rookie year and looking lost and unreliable last season, Mundy is hopefully ready to finally contribute in 2010. Given the injury history of Polamalu and Clark, it's imperative that Mundy has prepared himself adequately to take advantage of the next opportunity that inevitably presents itself.

The situation at cornerback is more complicated and interesting. Ike Taylor, the team's top cover corner, is coming off a down year just like the rest of the secondary. Taylor didn't look a step slow last year, or outclassed physically in any way for that matter. He just missed a crucial assignment here and there, and failed to make momentum changing plays when he was in position to do so. Taylor owns an infamously repellent set of hands, so it wasn't the missed interceptions that were surprising. Instead, it was the fact that the veteran looked lost on several occasions, as well as not quite as engaged and interested in taking on all challenges like he normally has in recent years. Eager to get back to his swaggin' ways, Taylor reportedly upped the ante this spring with his already legendary offseason conditioning regiment. Don't be surprised if Taylor's eighth season in Pittsburgh is his best to date.

The young cornerbacks on the Steelers depth chart took notice of Taylor's work ethic and focus this spring. That's music to the ears of Steeler Nation, as the trio of William Gay, Keenan Lewis and Joe Burnett all struggled in one way or another last season. Gay experienced potentially invaluable growing pains during his first full year as a starter as teams picked on him relentlessly. By season's end, Gay had claimed the crown of 'least popular player' from Willie Colon, thankfully ending his three year reign in the doghouse. Gay recently admitted that he thought he had 'arrived' last summer after excelling in his complimentary role in '08, and then being named a starter for '09 following McFadden's departure. Consequently, Gay didn't prepare quite as diligently as he probably needed to given the big leap he was about to make.

Meanwhile, neither Joe Burnett nor Keenan Lewis had memorable rookie campaigns. Lewis was bothered by lingering back issues and played only sparingly; the defining moment of Burnett's season was when he dropped a 'gimme' interception late in the game against the Oakland Raiders - a pick that would have sealed the game and ultimately put the Steelers into the playoffs. Lewis in particular has looked sharp during spring practices and could conceivably start at some point this season. I include myself in any camp that believes Burnett will contribute in '10.

All three might be chasing Bryant McFadden, who the Steelers reacquired from the Arizona Cardinals on day three of April's draft. McFadden's lone season in the desert was unremarkable, neither great nor awful. His parting gift to Arizona fans was two putrid outings during the playoffs last January. Because of McFadden's experience in bad word LeBeau's system, he will in all likelihood start the year as the #2 CB, leaving Gay, Burnett and Lewis to be primarily deployed in various nickel and dime packages.

Sixth-round draft pick Crezdon Butler will try to nudge his way onto the back end of the crowded depth chart. The speedy but raw CB out of Clemson isn't lacking in self-confidence, so you never know how he might perform in Latrobe. More than likely however, Butler will spend the year on the practice squad learning the ins and outs of playing arguably the most difficult position in all of sports. Finally, Anthony Madison, Pittsburgh's veteran special teams ace, could be a camp casualty if the crop of young players seem to be developing. I wouldn't expect that to happen before the final round of cuts though, because it's a safe bet that Tomlin and his staff will be keeping a close eye on special teams play during camp and the early stages of the preseason.

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/20 ... #storyjump (http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2010/7/28/1591623/pittsburgh-steelers-training-camp#storyjump)

Based upon what we read from OTAs- I'm hoping Butler makes the 53 & and doesn't end up on the PS- I would hate to lose that athleticism to another team because the Steelers decided to keep Mundy.

If it came down to Mundy or Butler...

I'd think hard about keeping Butler... Obviously, CB is a much more difficult position to fill, than FS.

So you keep Butler- and have K Lewis as your 4th Safety. (IMO, he is ultimately going to end up as a FS anyway.)

just a thought.

Oviedo
07-29-2010, 03:22 PM
Pittsburgh Steelers Training Camp Primer - The Defensive Backs

by Michael Bean on Jul 28, 2010


http://cdn3.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/495289/64447_steelers_football.jpg

After a mind bogglingly dominant season in 2008, the Steelers defense returned to earth last year. The final statistics suggested that the Steelers were one of the league's better defenses, but no fan would try to argue that bad word LeBeau's group played up to its potential. The rush defense wasn't the issue - Pittsburgh went the first 14 games without allowing a 100-yard rusher before Ray Rice ran wild in Week 15. It was the play of the inexperienced secondary that let teams back into games and ultimately cost the Steelers a playoff berth.

If All World safety Troy Polamalu returns - and remains - healthy in 2010, the Steelers' secondary woes might just become a distant memory. Polamalu played in just five games last season, appearing for the final time in a Week 10 loss against the Bengals. Success in the NFL rarely hinges on one player, particularly on defense, but the reality is the Steelers were 4-1 with Polamalu in the lineup and 5-6 when #43 wasn't able to go.

Returning for his fourth year as Polamalu's running mate is free safety Ryan Clark, who appeared to be halfway out the door in March during free agency. Just as Clark seemed poised to sign with the Miami Dolphins, the Steelers and Clark came to terms on a reasonable 3-year contract. After opting not to re-sign veteran reserve Tyrone Carter this offseason, the Steelers wisely went to work acquiring depth and experience at safety. They began by signing veteran free agent safety Will Allen, a former 2001 first-round draft pick by the New York Giants who has spent the past three seasons in Miami. Allen should play quite a few snaps as a nickel back, perhaps utilized like Deshea Townsend was in 2008.

Joining Allen as a primary reserve is third-year FS Ryan Mundy. After being plagued by injuries during his rookie year and looking lost and unreliable last season, Mundy is hopefully ready to finally contribute in 2010. Given the injury history of Polamalu and Clark, it's imperative that Mundy has prepared himself adequately to take advantage of the next opportunity that inevitably presents itself.

The situation at cornerback is more complicated and interesting. Ike Taylor, the team's top cover corner, is coming off a down year just like the rest of the secondary. Taylor didn't look a step slow last year, or outclassed physically in any way for that matter. He just missed a crucial assignment here and there, and failed to make momentum changing plays when he was in position to do so. Taylor owns an infamously repellent set of hands, so it wasn't the missed interceptions that were surprising. Instead, it was the fact that the veteran looked lost on several occasions, as well as not quite as engaged and interested in taking on all challenges like he normally has in recent years. Eager to get back to his swaggin' ways, Taylor reportedly upped the ante this spring with his already legendary offseason conditioning regiment. Don't be surprised if Taylor's eighth season in Pittsburgh is his best to date.

The young cornerbacks on the Steelers depth chart took notice of Taylor's work ethic and focus this spring. That's music to the ears of Steeler Nation, as the trio of William Gay, Keenan Lewis and Joe Burnett all struggled in one way or another last season. Gay experienced potentially invaluable growing pains during his first full year as a starter as teams picked on him relentlessly. By season's end, Gay had claimed the crown of 'least popular player' from Willie Colon, thankfully ending his three year reign in the doghouse. Gay recently admitted that he thought he had 'arrived' last summer after excelling in his complimentary role in '08, and then being named a starter for '09 following McFadden's departure. Consequently, Gay didn't prepare quite as diligently as he probably needed to given the big leap he was about to make.

Meanwhile, neither Joe Burnett nor Keenan Lewis had memorable rookie campaigns. Lewis was bothered by lingering back issues and played only sparingly; the defining moment of Burnett's season was when he dropped a 'gimme' interception late in the game against the Oakland Raiders - a pick that would have sealed the game and ultimately put the Steelers into the playoffs. Lewis in particular has looked sharp during spring practices and could conceivably start at some point this season. I include myself in any camp that believes Burnett will contribute in '10.

All three might be chasing Bryant McFadden, who the Steelers reacquired from the Arizona Cardinals on day three of April's draft. McFadden's lone season in the desert was unremarkable, neither great nor awful. His parting gift to Arizona fans was two putrid outings during the playoffs last January. Because of McFadden's experience in bad word LeBeau's system, he will in all likelihood start the year as the #2 CB, leaving Gay, Burnett and Lewis to be primarily deployed in various nickel and dime packages.

Sixth-round draft pick Crezdon Butler will try to nudge his way onto the back end of the crowded depth chart. The speedy but raw CB out of Clemson isn't lacking in self-confidence, so you never know how he might perform in Latrobe. More than likely however, Butler will spend the year on the practice squad learning the ins and outs of playing arguably the most difficult position in all of sports. Finally, Anthony Madison, Pittsburgh's veteran special teams ace, could be a camp casualty if the crop of young players seem to be developing. I wouldn't expect that to happen before the final round of cuts though, because it's a safe bet that Tomlin and his staff will be keeping a close eye on special teams play during camp and the early stages of the preseason.

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/20 ... #storyjump (http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2010/7/28/1591623/pittsburgh-steelers-training-camp#storyjump)

Based upon what we read from OTAs- I'm hoping Butler makes the 53 & and doesn't end up on the PS- I would hate to lose that athleticism to another team because the Steelers decided to keep Mundy.

If it came down to Mundy or Butler...

I'd think hard about keeping Butler... Obviously, CB is a much more difficult position to fill, than FS.

So you keep Butler- and have K Lewis as your 4th Safety. (IMO, he is ultimately going to end up as a FS anyway.)

just a thought.

I have been a Mundy fan but if it comes down to him or Butler I think I would go with Butler. Mundy just hasn't seemed to be able to take advantage of the opportunities that were there for the taking.

ANPSTEEL
07-29-2010, 03:27 PM
Pittsburgh Steelers Training Camp Primer - The Defensive Backs

by Michael Bean on Jul 28, 2010


http://cdn3.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/495289/64447_steelers_football.jpg

After a mind bogglingly dominant season in 2008, the Steelers defense returned to earth last year. The final statistics suggested that the Steelers were one of the league's better defenses, but no fan would try to argue that bad word LeBeau's group played up to its potential. The rush defense wasn't the issue - Pittsburgh went the first 14 games without allowing a 100-yard rusher before Ray Rice ran wild in Week 15. It was the play of the inexperienced secondary that let teams back into games and ultimately cost the Steelers a playoff berth.

If All World safety Troy Polamalu returns - and remains - healthy in 2010, the Steelers' secondary woes might just become a distant memory. Polamalu played in just five games last season, appearing for the final time in a Week 10 loss against the Bengals. Success in the NFL rarely hinges on one player, particularly on defense, but the reality is the Steelers were 4-1 with Polamalu in the lineup and 5-6 when #43 wasn't able to go.

Returning for his fourth year as Polamalu's running mate is free safety Ryan Clark, who appeared to be halfway out the door in March during free agency. Just as Clark seemed poised to sign with the Miami Dolphins, the Steelers and Clark came to terms on a reasonable 3-year contract. After opting not to re-sign veteran reserve Tyrone Carter this offseason, the Steelers wisely went to work acquiring depth and experience at safety. They began by signing veteran free agent safety Will Allen, a former 2001 first-round draft pick by the New York Giants who has spent the past three seasons in Miami. Allen should play quite a few snaps as a nickel back, perhaps utilized like Deshea Townsend was in 2008.

Joining Allen as a primary reserve is third-year FS Ryan Mundy. After being plagued by injuries during his rookie year and looking lost and unreliable last season, Mundy is hopefully ready to finally contribute in 2010. Given the injury history of Polamalu and Clark, it's imperative that Mundy has prepared himself adequately to take advantage of the next opportunity that inevitably presents itself.

The situation at cornerback is more complicated and interesting. Ike Taylor, the team's top cover corner, is coming off a down year just like the rest of the secondary. Taylor didn't look a step slow last year, or outclassed physically in any way for that matter. He just missed a crucial assignment here and there, and failed to make momentum changing plays when he was in position to do so. Taylor owns an infamously repellent set of hands, so it wasn't the missed interceptions that were surprising. Instead, it was the fact that the veteran looked lost on several occasions, as well as not quite as engaged and interested in taking on all challenges like he normally has in recent years. Eager to get back to his swaggin' ways, Taylor reportedly upped the ante this spring with his already legendary offseason conditioning regiment. Don't be surprised if Taylor's eighth season in Pittsburgh is his best to date.

The young cornerbacks on the Steelers depth chart took notice of Taylor's work ethic and focus this spring. That's music to the ears of Steeler Nation, as the trio of William Gay, Keenan Lewis and Joe Burnett all struggled in one way or another last season. Gay experienced potentially invaluable growing pains during his first full year as a starter as teams picked on him relentlessly. By season's end, Gay had claimed the crown of 'least popular player' from Willie Colon, thankfully ending his three year reign in the doghouse. Gay recently admitted that he thought he had 'arrived' last summer after excelling in his complimentary role in '08, and then being named a starter for '09 following McFadden's departure. Consequently, Gay didn't prepare quite as diligently as he probably needed to given the big leap he was about to make.

Meanwhile, neither Joe Burnett nor Keenan Lewis had memorable rookie campaigns. Lewis was bothered by lingering back issues and played only sparingly; the defining moment of Burnett's season was when he dropped a 'gimme' interception late in the game against the Oakland Raiders - a pick that would have sealed the game and ultimately put the Steelers into the playoffs. Lewis in particular has looked sharp during spring practices and could conceivably start at some point this season. I include myself in any camp that believes Burnett will contribute in '10.

All three might be chasing Bryant McFadden, who the Steelers reacquired from the Arizona Cardinals on day three of April's draft. McFadden's lone season in the desert was unremarkable, neither great nor awful. His parting gift to Arizona fans was two putrid outings during the playoffs last January. Because of McFadden's experience in bad word LeBeau's system, he will in all likelihood start the year as the #2 CB, leaving Gay, Burnett and Lewis to be primarily deployed in various nickel and dime packages.

Sixth-round draft pick Crezdon Butler will try to nudge his way onto the back end of the crowded depth chart. The speedy but raw CB out of Clemson isn't lacking in self-confidence, so you never know how he might perform in Latrobe. More than likely however, Butler will spend the year on the practice squad learning the ins and outs of playing arguably the most difficult position in all of sports. Finally, Anthony Madison, Pittsburgh's veteran special teams ace, could be a camp casualty if the crop of young players seem to be developing. I wouldn't expect that to happen before the final round of cuts though, because it's a safe bet that Tomlin and his staff will be keeping a close eye on special teams play during camp and the early stages of the preseason.

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/20 ... #storyjump (http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2010/7/28/1591623/pittsburgh-steelers-training-camp#storyjump)

Based upon what we read from OTAs- I'm hoping Butler makes the 53 & and doesn't end up on the PS- I would hate to lose that athleticism to another team because the Steelers decided to keep Mundy.

If it came down to Mundy or Butler...

I'd think hard about keeping Butler... Obviously, CB is a much more difficult position to fill, than FS.

So you keep Butler- and have K Lewis as your 4th Safety. (IMO, he is ultimately going to end up as a FS anyway.)

just a thought.

I have been a Mundy fan but if it comes down to him or Butler I think I would go with Butler. Mundy just hasn't seemed to be able to take advantage of the opportunities that were there for the taking.

Yep, I'm with you.

I was really hoping he'd take advantage of the opportunity last season, but when an old and slow Tyrone Carter out plays you- that isn't a good sign.

Oviedo
07-29-2010, 03:56 PM
I will also say that Burnett is going to surprise folks and despite the hype out of OTAs, Burnett is going to do better than Lewis. I also wouldn't be surprised if eventualkly Burnett replaced gay as nickle.

ANPSTEEL
07-29-2010, 04:02 PM
I will also say that Burnett is going to surprise folks and despite the hype out of OTAs, Burnett is going to do better than Lewis. I also wouldn't be surprised if eventualkly Burnett replaced gay as nickle.

It wouldn't surprise me a whole lot to see Burnett pass Lewis and Gay.

While I think Lewis' size give him an advantage over Burnett..

I think his lack of CB speed and ability to open his hips - likely puts him as a Safety. Although maybe in a predominantly zone scheme he can be a CB.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
07-30-2010, 08:39 AM
I will say it right now. The secondary will be a pleasant surprise this season. I expect Lewis and Burnett to solidify the nickel and dime packages. I also expect them to carry 6 CB's. Taylor, McFadden, Gay, Lewis, Burnett, and Butler. Butler will show too much raw skill as a CB and play well on ST to show Madison the door. You can't have enough CBs now with the Bengals WR corp.

ANPSTEEL
07-30-2010, 10:12 AM
I will say it right now. The secondary will be a pleasant surprise this season. I expect Lewis and Burnett to solidify the nickel and dime packages. I also expect them to carry 6 CB's. Taylor, McFadden, Gay, Lewis, Burnett, and Butler. Butler will show too much raw skill as a CB and play well on ST to show Madison the door. You can't have enough CBs now with the Bengals WR corp.

I agree with you.

The only thing that makes me question this is, based on the scouting reports.. Butler is very timid about contact.

Oviedo
07-30-2010, 10:44 AM
I will say it right now. The secondary will be a pleasant surprise this season. I expect Lewis and Burnett to solidify the nickel and dime packages. I also expect them to carry 6 CB's. Taylor, McFadden, Gay, Lewis, Burnett, and Butler. Butler will show too much raw skill as a CB and play well on ST to show Madison the door. You can't have enough CBs now with the Bengals WR corp.

Showing Madison the door is a good thing. He may be good on STs, but from the limited times I've seen him actually play DB he makes Ty Carter look like Rod Woodson. He is horrible.

RuthlessBurgher
07-30-2010, 01:24 PM
I will say it right now. The secondary will be a pleasant surprise this season. I expect Lewis and Burnett to solidify the nickel and dime packages. I also expect them to carry 6 CB's. Taylor, McFadden, Gay, Lewis, Burnett, and Butler. Butler will show too much raw skill as a CB and play well on ST to show Madison the door. You can't have enough CBs now with the Bengals WR corp.

Showing Madison the door is a good thing. He may be good on STs, but from the limited times I've seen him actually play DB he makes Ty Carter look like Rod Woodson. He is horrible.

I didn't mind so much when Deshea got Rod's number.

But it kind of ticks me off to see Madison in Lake's number.