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fordfixer
07-08-2010, 01:07 AM
Bettis speaks out about Big Ben
By Jerry DiPaola, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Thursday, July 8, 2010

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Former Steelers running back Jerome Bettis shared a tee box Wednesday with some of the greatest names in golf, laughing with Arnold Palmer and hitting long drives onto the slick fairways of Oakmont Country Club with Cristie Kerr and Paula Creamer.

But when the celebrity exhibition ended and he stashed away his big driver adorned with his signature No. 36 he had a warning for quarterback Ben Roethlisberger.

Asked what Roethlisberger must do to win back fans after twice being accused of sexual assault in the past year, Bettis said there is no easy answer for his former teammate.

"It is a situation where he has to prove his heart is in the right place," Bettis said. "And I know from knowing Ben that his heart is in the right place."

Bettis joined Roethlisberger in the Steelers' backfield in 2004 and '05, retiring after winning Super Bowl XL. He said he shares text messages with Roethlisberger but has not spoken with him this year.

If asked, he would offer the following advice:

"He has to keep his head down, play hard and give back to the community," said Bettis, 38. "If he does that, slowly but surely, he will be able to work through the process."

Another warning: "It is not going to be a quick fix."

Bettis said the Steelers could be embarking on a tough season, especially with Roethlisberger suspended for at least the first four games.

"They have an uphill battle," he said.

He pointed to the season-ending Achilles injury suffered by right tackle Willie Colon, which could weaken the ground game while it must compensate for the absence of Roethlisberger.

"The running game is going to have to sustain this team until Ben comes back," Bettis said. "Now, the question mark is the offensive line and how well they perform without having their anchor. It is going to be difficult, but it gives (the Steelers) the chance to kind of be the underdogs. They haven't been the underdogs for a long time."

Bettis' Open warning

Playing golf is a priority in retirement for former Steelers running back Jerome Bettis, he said Wednesday at Oakmont Country Club.

"I play as much as I can. Golf is the only thing I have, being an old crippled man now," he joked to the gallery at the driving range for a celebrity exhibition.

Bettis had played Oakmont before, and he said his best score was 88.

"And I was fighting to get that," he said. "A lot of people say you have to get around your shoulders (on your swing). I have to get around my middle area."

He predicts the course will "chew everybody up" this week during the U.S. Women's Open.

"The person who wins is the person who hits the driver straight," he said. "And you have to have a good putter. If you don't putt here, you don't have a chance, even if you hit every green."

Crash
07-08-2010, 01:13 AM
Hey Jerome, why didn't you speak out for yourself, or say you should have been suspended when you were accused of forcing a chick to blow you?

Now go shove a helmet cake in your cake hole and button it.

hawaiiansteel
07-08-2010, 01:25 AM
Hey Jerome, why didn't you speak out for yourself, or say you should have been suspended when you were accused of forcing a chick to blow you?

Now go shove a helmet cake in your cake hole and button it.



sounds like Bettis was set up to me...



Bettis won't be charged, district attorney says

By Rich Cholodofsky, TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Wednesday, October 16, 2002


Pittsburgh Steelers player Jerome Bettis will not face criminal charges for a sexual encounter with a Westmoreland County woman last summer, and instead his accuser and her uncle are under investigation for trying to extort money from him.

Westmoreland County District Attorney John Peck on Tuesday announced there was not enough evidence to prosecute Bettis, but stopped short of specifically clearing him of any wrongdoing.

"Only Mr. Bettis and the victim, this young woman, know what happened in that car," Peck said yesterday during a news conference at the courthouse.

Peck's office took over the investigation of Bettis earlier this month after a 22-year-old Ruffsdale woman claimed the Steelers star forced her to perform a sex act in his sport utility vehicle outside a Greensburg nightclub on Aug. 21.

Crystal J. Pritts told police she met Bettis in Bobby Dale's Restaurant & Lounge in the Greensburg Shopping Center and went with him to her vehicle so he could sign a football for her 2-year-old son. She claimed Bettis then drove her several blocks away to a secluded parking lot on South Urania Avenue and forced her to perform oral sex.

The investigation turned on the credibility of witnesses, including Bettis' accuser and her uncle, Peck said.

While the district attorney decided not to prosecute Bettis, Peck refused to identify his accuser and would not discount her story as false.

But if the case had gone to trial, Peck said, other factors involving Pritts and her uncle would have made a conviction difficult.

Investigators questioned more than two dozen witnesses who implicated Penn State-McKeesport political science professor Charles A. Walters, of Mt. Pleasant Township, in numerous "schemes" to extort money from Bettis or other football players, Peck said.

"Based upon the clear evidence of this scheme by Walters as reported by many witnesses and the presence of Walters at Bobby Dale's on the night in question, there is not evidence beyond a reasonable doubt of Jerome Bettis' guilt of any sexual assault on the evening of Aug. 21, 2002," Peck said.

During the investigation, witnesses came forward and implicated Walters in three money-making schemes, two of which directly involved Bettis, Peck said.

The first dealt with a plan to engage Bettis in a brawl at Bobby Dale's in the summer of 2001. Peck said investigators learned that Bettis was involved in a brief scuffle at the nightclub with an unidentified man last year. Bettis was shown a picture of Walters, but he could not identify him as the man involved in the fracas.

Witnesses also told police that earlier this year they heard Walters brag about another plot in which a woman was to engage in a sex act with Bettis, claim she had been sexually assaulted, then cash in through a civil lawsuit.

The third scheme Peck discussed involved a plan in which Walters used his credit cards to obtain cash, then filed for bankruptcy after he hid the money. Peck said the investigation found that U.S. Bankruptcy Court had discharged more than $80,000 in debt against Walters.

"There was evidence that was unavoidable in terms of an exculpable nature that indicated at least one person attempted to entrap Mr. Bettis," Peck said.

As of yesterday no criminal charges have been filed against Walters or Pritts, but Peck said investigations of both are ongoing involving the Bettis case as well as Walters' dealings in bankruptcy court.

He declined to comment about potential charges against Walters and his niece. Peck said he named Walters as a suspect in the ongoing investigations because evidence against him was "overwhelming."

Walters could not be reached for comment on the case last night. A man who answered the phone at his house last night said Walters would have no comment now, but "our side will come out at a later date."

Pritts also refused to comment on the district attorney's decision.

"She is being raped by the news media, and we are totally sick of the whole thing," her mother, Linda Baird, said last night.

Crystal Pritts' estranged husband, Steven W. Pritts of Connellsville, said last night he was surprised neither by the fact that Bettis will not be prosecuted nor by a continuing investigation into allegations that Pritts and Walters sought to set up Bettis.

"It doesn't surprise me at all," Pritts said.

Pritts said he left his wife about three months ago and they have not spoken since. He is the father of Pritts' son.

Steven Pritts said that during the six years he had known Walters, he heard Walters talk about how he profited by getting cash advances on credit cards and then filed for bankruptcy in 1999.

"He bragged about getting money and filing bankruptcy. That was what he was about. He was always looking to get money for free," Pritts said.

Bettis also declined to comment yesterday. He told reporters at the Steelers headquarters on Pittsburgh's South Side he would speak today about the accusations against him.

His attorney, Robert DelGreco Jr., issued a statement that said Bettis was eager to put the case behind them.

"Jerome has strongly asserted his innocence. We agreed the truth would prevail," DelGreco said. "The evidence that I've seen seems to suggest there was a willful and premeditated plot for extortion."

Bettis fully cooperated with police in their investigation. Peck said Bettis told police he and Pritts had a consensual sexual encounter, Peck said. DelGreco yesterday declined to confirm that Bettis had any sexual involvement with Pritts.

DelGreco said Bettis also gave police a blood sample, allowed investigators to search his car and even participated in a re-creation that involved his movements in his vehicle.

"It became clear that Jerome was a targeted victim and certainly did not engage in a sexual misconduct," his attorney said.

DelGreco said Bettis, a running back who has been with the Steelers since 1996, will decide at the end of the football season whether to file a lawsuit against Pritts and Walters.

Bettis, 30, one of the team's most popular players in recent years, has never had any public problems off the field.

Steelers coach Bill Cowher said yesterday the Bettis situation did not become a distraction for the team.

"We really have not talked about it much as a team outside of when the first allegations came out. I think with the facts that have come out, it shows the type of person that he is. It's important that people understand that and that it gets the same amount of attention as the initial headlines got," Cowher said.

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NJ-STEELER
07-08-2010, 01:34 AM
Hey Jerome, why didn't you speak out for yourself, or say you should have been suspended when you were accused of forcing a chick to blow you?

Now go shove a helmet cake in your cake hole and button it.



sounds like Bettis was set up to me...



Bettis won't be charged, district attorney says

By Rich Cholodofsky, TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Wednesday, October 16, 2002


Pittsburgh Steelers player Jerome Bettis will not face criminal charges for a sexual encounter with a Westmoreland County woman last summer, and instead his accuser and her uncle are under investigation for trying to extort money from him.

Westmoreland County District Attorney John Peck on Tuesday announced there was not enough evidence to prosecute Bettis, but stopped short of specifically clearing him of any wrongdoing.

"Only Mr. Bettis and the victim, this young woman, know what happened in that car," Peck said yesterday during a news conference at the courthouse.

Peck's office took over the investigation of Bettis earlier this month after a 22-year-old Ruffsdale woman claimed the Steelers star forced her to perform a sex act in his sport utility vehicle outside a Greensburg nightclub on Aug. 21.

Crystal J. Pritts told police she met Bettis in Bobby Dale's Restaurant & Lounge in the Greensburg Shopping Center and went with him to her vehicle so he could sign a football for her 2-year-old son. She claimed Bettis then drove her several blocks away to a secluded parking lot on South Urania Avenue and forced her to perform oral sex.

The investigation turned on the credibility of witnesses, including Bettis' accuser and her uncle, Peck said.

While the district attorney decided not to prosecute Bettis, Peck refused to identify his accuser and would not discount her story as false.

But if the case had gone to trial, Peck said, other factors involving Pritts and her uncle would have made a conviction difficult.

Investigators questioned more than two dozen witnesses who implicated Penn State-McKeesport political science professor Charles A. Walters, of Mt. Pleasant Township, in numerous "schemes" to extort money from Bettis or other football players, Peck said.

"Based upon the clear evidence of this scheme by Walters as reported by many witnesses and the presence of Walters at Bobby Dale's on the night in question, there is not evidence beyond a reasonable doubt of Jerome Bettis' guilt of any sexual assault on the evening of Aug. 21, 2002," Peck said.

During the investigation, witnesses came forward and implicated Walters in three money-making schemes, two of which directly involved Bettis, Peck said.

The first dealt with a plan to engage Bettis in a brawl at Bobby Dale's in the summer of 2001. Peck said investigators learned that Bettis was involved in a brief scuffle at the nightclub with an unidentified man last year. Bettis was shown a picture of Walters, but he could not identify him as the man involved in the fracas.

Witnesses also told police that earlier this year they heard Walters brag about another plot in which a woman was to engage in a sex act with Bettis, claim she had been sexually assaulted, then cash in through a civil lawsuit.

The third scheme Peck discussed involved a plan in which Walters used his credit cards to obtain cash, then filed for bankruptcy after he hid the money. Peck said the investigation found that U.S. Bankruptcy Court had discharged more than $80,000 in debt against Walters.

"There was evidence that was unavoidable in terms of an exculpable nature that indicated at least one person attempted to entrap Mr. Bettis," Peck said.

As of yesterday no criminal charges have been filed against Walters or Pritts, but Peck said investigations of both are ongoing involving the Bettis case as well as Walters' dealings in bankruptcy court.

He declined to comment about potential charges against Walters and his niece. Peck said he named Walters as a suspect in the ongoing investigations because evidence against him was "overwhelming."

Walters could not be reached for comment on the case last night. A man who answered the phone at his house last night said Walters would have no comment now, but "our side will come out at a later date."

Pritts also refused to comment on the district attorney's decision.

"She is being raped by the news media, and we are totally sick of the whole thing," her mother, Linda Baird, said last night.

Crystal Pritts' estranged husband, Steven W. Pritts of Connellsville, said last night he was surprised neither by the fact that Bettis will not be prosecuted nor by a continuing investigation into allegations that Pritts and Walters sought to set up Bettis.

"It doesn't surprise me at all," Pritts said.

Pritts said he left his wife about three months ago and they have not spoken since. He is the father of Pritts' son.

Steven Pritts said that during the six years he had known Walters, he heard Walters talk about how he profited by getting cash advances on credit cards and then filed for bankruptcy in 1999.

"He bragged about getting money and filing bankruptcy. That was what he was about. He was always looking to get money for free," Pritts said.

Bettis also declined to comment yesterday. He told reporters at the Steelers headquarters on Pittsburgh's South Side he would speak today about the accusations against him.

His attorney, Robert DelGreco Jr., issued a statement that said Bettis was eager to put the case behind them.

"Jerome has strongly asserted his innocence. We agreed the truth would prevail," DelGreco said. "The evidence that I've seen seems to suggest there was a willful and premeditated plot for extortion."

Bettis fully cooperated with police in their investigation. Peck said Bettis told police he and Pritts had a consensual sexual encounter, Peck said. DelGreco yesterday declined to confirm that Bettis had any sexual involvement with Pritts.

DelGreco said Bettis also gave police a blood sample, allowed investigators to search his car and even participated in a re-creation that involved his movements in his vehicle.

"It became clear that Jerome was a targeted victim and certainly did not engage in a sexual misconduct," his attorney said.

DelGreco said Bettis, a running back who has been with the Steelers since 1996, will decide at the end of the football season whether to file a lawsuit against Pritts and Walters.

Bettis, 30, one of the team's most popular players in recent years, has never had any public problems off the field.

Steelers coach Bill Cowher said yesterday the Bettis situation did not become a distraction for the team.

"We really have not talked about it much as a team outside of when the first allegations came out. I think with the facts that have come out, it shows the type of person that he is. It's important that people understand that and that it gets the same amount of attention as the initial headlines got," Cowher said.

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i dont believe it.

girls/women would never try and do that

Crash
07-08-2010, 02:41 AM
Bettis like Ben, was accused.

Bettis like Ben, put himself in a bad situation.

Bettis, because he's been in the same situation, if he's really a friend of Ben's, should offer support, instead of his hypocritical opinion.

Mister Pittsburgh
07-08-2010, 06:50 AM
I don't understand wtf is wrong with some of you guys. Bettis was asked about it and I don't think he said anything harsh at all. He was supportive of Ben and said his heart is in the right place and it won't be a quick fix.

Steelers>NFL
07-08-2010, 07:58 AM
I don't understand wtf is wrong with some of you guys. Bettis was asked about it and I don't think he said anything harsh at all. He was supportive of Ben and said his heart is in the right place and it won't be a quick fix.

Exactly my thoughts...

frankthetank1
07-08-2010, 08:29 AM
Bettis like Ben, was accused.

Bettis like Ben, put himself in a bad situation.

Bettis, because he's been in the same situation, if he's really a friend of Ben's, should offer support, instead of his hypocritical opinion.

what did bettis say that was so bad or hypocritical?

flippy
07-08-2010, 08:37 AM
Hines should shut his trap

Oviedo
07-08-2010, 08:38 AM
[quote="Mister Pittsburgh":pveyrkvk]I don't understand wtf is wrong with some of you guys. Bettis was asked about it and I don't think he said anything harsh at all. He was supportive of Ben and said his heart is in the right place and it won't be a quick fix.

Exactly my thoughts...[/quote:pveyrkvk]

:Agree All Bettis said was Ben can't be stupid and time will make it better. How is any of that bad? It's what we all say. Ben has to stop being stupid and wanting to live a lifestyle he obviously can't make the right decisions when in situations which that lifestyle presents him with. So keep your head down and stay home or at the Steelers' facility.

BradshawsHairdresser
07-08-2010, 08:57 AM
Dang Bettis can't keep his mouth shut...Now we just went from a six-win season to a two-win season...

feltdizz
07-08-2010, 09:39 AM
The fat guy divides the locker room. Put Ben on suicide watch... :stirpot

Black media how dare you!!! :tt2

Captain Lemming
07-08-2010, 10:11 AM
Hines should shut his trap

:D :D :D :D

Captain Lemming
07-08-2010, 10:13 AM
The fat guy divides the locker room. Put Ben on suicide watch... :stirpot

Black media how dare you!!! :tt2

You too Dizz, Hilarious :D :D :D :D

ANPSTEEL
07-08-2010, 10:23 AM
Bettis like Ben, was accused.

Bettis like Ben, put himself in a bad situation.

Bettis, because he's been in the same situation, if he's really a friend of Ben's, should offer support, instead of his hypocritical opinion.


oh jeesh. still?

I'm sure white jerome bettis would have been suspended.

In Godell's nfl, being extorted is grounds for suspension- if you are white.

Ben's suspension is really based upon the McNulty case.

:roll:

Captain Lemming
07-08-2010, 10:35 AM
Bettis like Ben, was accused.

Bettis like Ben, put himself in a bad situation.

Bettis, because he's been in the same situation, if he's really a friend of Ben's, should offer support, instead of his hypocritical opinion.

Crash the difference is, BEN DID'NT LEARN after the FIRST TIME. Look CLOSELY at WHAT Bettis said. It is even more valid FOR THE VERY REASONS YOU STATE.

Bettis said:

Asked what Roethlisberger must do to win back fans after twice being accused of sexual assault in the past year, Bettis said there is no easy answer for his former teammate.

"It is a situation where he has to prove his heart is in the right place," Bettis said. "And I know from knowing Ben that his heart is in the right place."


If asked, he would offer the following advice:

"He has to keep his head down, play hard and give back to the community," said Bettis, 38. "If he does that, slowly but surely, he will be able to work through the process."

Crash, you are right (who would think I'd EVER say that?) Bettis was in Ben's shoes himself. But it was ONLY ONCE, and Bettis did EXACTLY, what he said Ben should do. It worked. What you fail to grasp in your criticism is that this means Bettis speaks from experience!

Sadly, Ben has not "asked" for Jeromes advice. Had he done so the LAST TIME Ben might not be in such a predicament.

cruzer8
07-08-2010, 11:19 AM
Bettis like Ben, was accused.

Bettis like Ben, put himself in a bad situation.

Bettis, because he's been in the same situation, if he's really a friend of Ben's, should offer support, instead of his hypocritical opinion.

Crash the difference is, BEN DID'NT LEARN after the FIRST TIME. Look CLOSELY at WHAT Bettis said. It is even more valid FOR THE VERY REASONS YOU STATE.

Bettis said:

Asked what Roethlisberger must do to win back fans after twice being accused of sexual assault in the past year, Bettis said there is no easy answer for his former teammate.

"It is a situation where he has to prove his heart is in the right place," Bettis said. "And I know from knowing Ben that his heart is in the right place."


If asked, he would offer the following advice:

"He has to keep his head down, play hard and give back to the community," said Bettis, 38. "If he does that, slowly but surely, he will be able to work through the process."

Crash, you are right (who would think I'd EVER say that?) Bettis was in Ben's shoes himself. But it was ONLY ONCE, and Bettis did EXACTLY, what he said Ben should do. It worked. What you fail to grasp in your criticism is that this means Bettis speaks from experience!

Sadly, Ben has not "asked" for Jeromes advice. Had he done so the LAST TIME Ben might not be in such a predicament.

I don't see anything wrong with what Bettis said, but I also don't know what Ben did or didn't do in GA, so to say that he didn't learn anything from the McNutty incident is unfair in my opinion.

Crash
07-08-2010, 11:22 AM
Bettis like Ben, was accused.

Bettis like Ben, put himself in a bad situation.

Bettis, because he's been in the same situation, if he's really a friend of Ben's, should offer support, instead of his hypocritical opinion.

what did bettis say that was so bad or hypocritical?

Calling for the uncharged Ben to be suspended, while declaring the CHARGED Kobe Bryant "Innocent until proven guilty" back in 2003 for one.

Jerome is irrelevant on this issue. He needs to shut his trap.

Ben has done charity work in Pittsburgh for six years. It's not anything new for him.

So when people like Jerome (and Rod) state that he needs to do charity work and give back? They act as if he hasn't done it. And that's wrong.

If I were Ben I would say to the press "Jerome needs to mind his own business and quit swapping signed footballs for blowjobs in cars".

Captain Lemming
07-08-2010, 11:44 AM
I don't see anything wrong with what Bettis said, but I also don't know what Ben did or didn't do in GA, so to say that he didn't learn anything from the McNutty incident is unfair in my opinion.

Cuzer, I am not saying we know he did anything criminal, you are right we dont know all that happened.

IT WAS STUPID to KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE that you are a target of these kinds of charges and expose yourself to these kinds of scenarios AGAIN.

I dont "know" everything that happened in GA. I do know Ben went into a restroom alone with a drunk college chick in a PUBLIC PLACE. And he was accussed of rape a SECOND TIME.

And we dont know WHO is lying. We forget that. At BEST he has been falsely accused TWICE.

That is STUPID.

cruzer8
07-08-2010, 11:56 AM
I don't see anything wrong with what Bettis said, but I also don't know what Ben did or didn't do in GA, so to say that he didn't learn anything from the McNutty incident is unfair in my opinion.

Cuzer, I am not saying we know he did anything criminal, you are right we dont know all that happened.

IT WAS STUPID to KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE that you are a target of these kinds of charges and expose yourself to these kinds of scenarios AGAIN.

I dont "know" everything that happened in GA. I do know Ben went into a restroom alone with a drunk college chick in a PUBLIC PLACE. And he was accussed of rape a SECOND TIME.

And we dont know WHO is lying. We forget that. At BEST he has been falsely accused TWICE.

That is STUPID.

How do you know that for a fact? There are only 3 people saying he went in that bathroom with the accuser. Take a guess who they are. I'll give you a hint on one of them - the accuser. You should be able to figure out the other two. ;)

Crash
07-08-2010, 11:59 AM
So Jerome never had sex again before he got married? And if he did, isn't that putting himself at risk for another accusation?

Bettis didn't "learn" either. He got into a fight at Bobby Dale's in 2001, and then was accused of sexual assault after meeting that ho at the same club in 2002.

So what did he learn?

Not a damn thing.

ikestops85
07-08-2010, 12:01 PM
I don't see anything wrong with what Bettis said, but I also don't know what Ben did or didn't do in GA, so to say that he didn't learn anything from the McNutty incident is unfair in my opinion.

Cuzer, I am not saying we know he did anything criminal, you are right we dont know all that happened.

IT WAS STUPID to KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE that you are a target of these kinds of charges and expose yourself to these kinds of scenarios AGAIN.

I dont "know" everything that happened in GA. I do know Ben went into a restroom alone with a drunk college chick in a PUBLIC PLACE. And he was accussed of rape a SECOND TIME.

And we dont know WHO is lying. We forget that. At BEST he has been falsely accused TWICE.

That is STUPID.

I think most of us agree Ben acted stupidly. However, if stupidity were a suspendable offense we wouldn't have enough players left in the league to field teams. These guys didn't get into the NFL because they were rocket scientists.

Back on topic ... I think Jerome's remarks were very kind and right on target. He didn't criticize him or put him down. He praised the heart that Ben has ... something that I think is Ben's greatest attribute.

We, as Steeler fans, have to face the fact that public perception is Ben has attacked 2 different women. Granted that the perception came from the slanted views reported by the media. Therefore I think Bettis' advice to Ben that he should keep his head down and continue to do the things he did before is great and thoughtful advice.

Crash
07-08-2010, 12:01 PM
And we dont know WHO is lying. We forget that

No DNA linking Ben to rape.

No proof, based on the opinion of medical experts that the accuser and Ben even had sex at all.

Now what would that tell you?

You listen to her, like, on the DVD, like, and you know who is, like, lying.

Period.

RuthlessBurgher
07-08-2010, 12:22 PM
If I were Ben I would say to the press "Jerome needs to mind his own business and quit swapping signed footballs for blowjobs in cars".

Ben should call a press conference and say that exactly, word for word as you have written it. That is 100% sure to make things better for him.

While we're at it, what words of wisdom would Ben say about Hines Ward if you were him? You get bonus points if you use the term "cake smasher."

BradshawsHairdresser
07-08-2010, 12:44 PM
If I were Ben I would say to the press "Jerome needs to mind his own business and quit swapping signed footballs for blowjobs in cars".

Ben should call a press conference and say that exactly, word for word as you have written it. That is 100% sure to make things better for him.

While we're at it, what words of wisdom would Ben say about Hines Ward if you were him? You get bonus points if you use the term "cake smasher."

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Crash
07-08-2010, 12:55 PM
While we're at it, what words of wisdom would Ben say about Hines Ward if you were him?

"Hines should worry about being a better absentee father to his son since his cheating off the field cost him his marriage, and stop being a business partner with a convicted federal drug dealer"

Hines and Bettis need to close the doors to their glass houses and shut the hell up.

feltdizz
07-08-2010, 12:57 PM
If I were Ben I would say to the press "Jerome needs to mind his own business and quit swapping signed footballs for blowjobs in cars".

Ben should call a press conference and say that exactly, word for word as you have written it. That is 100% sure to make things better for him.

While we're at it, what words of wisdom would Ben say about Hines Ward if you were him? You get bonus points if you use the term "cake smasher."

Imagine if some of these guys were advising Ben...

I bet Ben would be out of the league by sundown.

Captain Lemming
07-08-2010, 01:07 PM
How do you know that for a fact? There are only 3 people saying he went in that bathroom with the accuser. Take a guess who they are. I'll give you a hint on one of them - the accuser. You should be able to figure out the other two. ;)

Have you seen Ben deny it? If Ben says he wasnt even in there, and witnesses confirm it, the whole thing goes away and you know it. No suspension, it all disappears.

Come on people. We are Steeler fans and dont WANT to think it is possible.

He was in the bathroom with the girl we all know it, we simply dont know what happened in there.

Crash
07-08-2010, 01:12 PM
So what your saying is Ben was suspended for going into a bathroom?

That's silly.

Ben's lawyer from the start said no crime was committed.

Ben told the police no intercourse took place.

The evidence backs up their version.

He was suspended anyway.

Captain Lemming
07-08-2010, 01:31 PM
And we dont know WHO is lying. We forget that

No DNA linking Ben to rape.

No proof, based on the opinion of medical experts that the accuser and Ben even had sex at all.

Now what would that tell you?

I say if I were alone with a drunk stranger in a restroom with NO MEDICAL EVIDENCE of having sex with a woman, and she accused me of rape, I would be awaiting trial on here testimony, and those of witnesses that we were in the restroom together.

NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

Furthermore, despite statements to the contrary , if the accuser insisted that she WANTED to pursue it, Ben WOULD be awaiting trial. If for political pressure alone he would have to do it for not seeming to favor the rich celebrity.

You keep saying he was never "charged". He can thank the accuser for that. Any wonder that unlike the McNulty case, Ben seemed to NEVER show anger at this accuser. Ben might well be innocent, I hope so but frankly, I felt more confident when I saw his reaction to the McNulty accusation.

Either Ben has been falsely accused or a crime was commited. SOMEBODY should be LIVID, yet nobody its.

The whole thing screams that "an agreement" has been reached.

Crash
07-08-2010, 01:42 PM
You keep saying he was never "charged"

Um, no, I keep saying DA Bright publicly stated he didn't even have probable cause for an arrest. In a rape investigation? That's huge.


He can thank the accuser for that.

Um, no, he can thank the lack of evidence for that.

When one is accused of unprotected sex during a rape? And there is no DNA linking him to having sex period on the accuser's person? Guess what? Chances are that no rape and or sex occurred.

Captain Lemming
07-08-2010, 01:53 PM
You keep saying he was never "charged"

Um, no, I keep saying DA Bright publicly stated he didn't even have probable cause for an arrest. In a rape investigation? That's huge.
Yeah and THAT is ridiculous.
Celeb privilege dude
If it was YOU Crash, you are IN CUFFS and get to the station before she gets to the hospital and you know it.

A JURY can determine what the medical evidence does or does not mean.

Crash
07-08-2010, 02:28 PM
Yeah and THAT is ridiculous.
Celeb privilege dude

Yeah Bright really gave Ben "celeb privilege" when he raked him over the coals during his press conference, and then after he made him look like a monster in the media, just happened to mention in happenstance that there was no probable cause for an arrest.

Bright got hoodwinked by drunken whores. But rather than admit that, he roasted Ben for 20 minutes.

If that "celeb privilege" Ben would have been better off being acquitted at trial.

RuthlessBurgher
07-08-2010, 03:06 PM
Yeah and THAT is ridiculous.
Celeb privilege dude

Yeah Bright really gave Ben "celeb privilege" when he raked him over the coals during his press conference, and then after he made him look like a monster in the media, just happened to mention in happenstance that there was no probable cause for an arrest.

Bright got hoodwinked by drunken whores. But rather than admit that, he roasted Ben for 20 minutes.

If that "celeb privilege" Ben would have been better off being acquitted at trial.

I'll go with "not enough evidence to file charges" over "acquitted at trial" any day of the week, thank you very much. Bright's 20 minute speech will be long forgotten (for most, it has been already), while the image of Ben in a courtroom defending his actions that fateful night (even if he were ultimately acquitted) would be much longer-lasting in our collective psyche.

Crash
07-08-2010, 03:18 PM
I'll go with "not enough evidence to file charges" over "acquitted at trial" any day of the week, thank you very much.

Not enough evidence implies they have evidence, but not enough.

Bright went one step BETTER for Ben when he later admitted they didn't have probable cause.

THAT should have been the end of the public roasting of Ben.

But the media has rarely used the NPC statement and still "portray" Ben as someone who may have gotten away with rape.

NPC means in all probability no crime was committed.

But that NPC statement has been bottled up.

Captain Lemming
07-08-2010, 03:57 PM
Yeah and THAT is ridiculous.
Celeb privilege dude

Yeah Bright really gave Ben "celeb privilege" when he raked him over the coals during his press conference, and then after he made him look like a monster in the media, just happened to mention in happenstance that there was no probable cause for an arrest.

Bright got hoodwinked by drunken whores. But rather than admit that, he roasted Ben for 20 minutes.

If that "celeb privilege" Ben would have been better off being acquitted at trial.

I'll go with "not enough evidence to file charges" over "acquitted at trial" any day of the week, thank you very much. Bright's 20 minute speech will be long forgotten (for most, it has been already), while the image of Ben in a courtroom defending his actions that fateful night (even if he were ultimately acquitted) would be much longer-lasting in our collective psyche.

True

Captain Lemming
07-08-2010, 04:09 PM
Yeah and THAT is ridiculous.
Celeb privilege dude

Yeah Bright really gave Ben "celeb privilege" when he raked him over the coals during his press conference, and then after he made him look like a monster in the media, just happened to mention in happenstance that there was no probable cause for an arrest.

Bright got hoodwinked by drunken whores. But rather than admit that, he roasted Ben for 20 minutes.

If that "celeb privilege" Ben would have been better off being acquitted at trial.

I repeat:

"If it was YOU Crash, you are IN CUFFS and get to the station before she gets to the hospital and you know it."

Crash, who would be in a worse situation under EXACTLY the same situation, Ben or one of us?

Please try to convince me that "medical proof" would be necessary before we get arrested.

For the DA to say there was no probable cause for an arrest in that situation is NOT the standard that the common man deals with.

Ben may be innocent, he may have been falsely accused, but you and I would be in far greater jeopardy in his shoes.

The ONLY disadvantage is that his fame makes him a greater TARGET of such charges in the first place. That is why he cannot afford to act like a stupid college kid.

Flasteel
07-08-2010, 04:22 PM
While we're at it, what words of wisdom would Ben say about Hines Ward if you were him?

"Hines should worry about being a better absentee father to his son since his cheating off the field cost him his marriage, and stop being a business partner with a convicted federal drug dealer"

Hines and Bettis need to close the doors to their glass houses and shut the hell up.

No cake smasher = No bonus!

birtikidis
07-08-2010, 04:36 PM
I don't see anything wrong with what Bettis said, but I also don't know what Ben did or didn't do in GA, so to say that he didn't learn anything from the McNutty incident is unfair in my opinion.

Cuzer, I am not saying we know he did anything criminal, you are right we dont know all that happened.

IT WAS STUPID to KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE that you are a target of these kinds of charges and expose yourself to these kinds of scenarios AGAIN.

I dont "know" everything that happened in GA. I do know Ben went into a restroom alone with a drunk college chick in a PUBLIC PLACE. And he was accussed of rape a SECOND TIME.

And we dont know WHO is lying. We forget that. At BEST he has been falsely accused TWICE.

That is STUPID.

How do you know that for a fact? There are only 3 people saying he went in that bathroom with the accuser. Take a guess who they are. I'll give you a hint on one of them - the accuser. You should be able to figure out the other two. ;)
Cruzer, if memory serves me right, even Ben said that she fell and hit her head on the toilet... I may be wrong about that, i haven't really thought about it in so long because every time the topic comes up, Crash has me rolling around on the floor laughing so hard...

MaxAMillion
07-08-2010, 04:44 PM
Bettis like Ben, was accused.

Bettis like Ben, put himself in a bad situation.

Bettis, because he's been in the same situation, if he's really a friend of Ben's, should offer support, instead of his hypocritical opinion.

what did bettis say that was so bad or hypocritical?

Calling for the uncharged Ben to be suspended, while declaring the CHARGED Kobe Bryant "Innocent until proven guilty" back in 2003 for one.

Jerome is irrelevant on this issue. He needs to shut his trap.

Ben has done charity work in Pittsburgh for six years. It's not anything new for him.

So when people like Jerome (and Rod) state that he needs to do charity work and give back? They act as if he hasn't done it. And that's wrong.

If I were Ben I would say to the press "Jerome needs to mind his own business and quit swapping signed footballs for blowjobs in cars".

How is that hypocritical? He never said Ben was guilty of a crime?

Crash
07-08-2010, 04:57 PM
How is that hypocritical? He never said Ben was guilty of a crime?

Calling for Ben to be suspended while at the same time preaching due process for Kobe (and himself in 2002) reeks of hypocrisy.

BURGH86STEEL
07-08-2010, 05:32 PM
I don't believe Bettis said anything that was inflammatory.

cruzer8
07-08-2010, 05:40 PM
I don't see anything wrong with what Bettis said, but I also don't know what Ben did or didn't do in GA, so to say that he didn't learn anything from the McNutty incident is unfair in my opinion.

Cuzer, I am not saying we know he did anything criminal, you are right we dont know all that happened.

IT WAS STUPID to KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE that you are a target of these kinds of charges and expose yourself to these kinds of scenarios AGAIN.

I dont "know" everything that happened in GA. I do know Ben went into a restroom alone with a drunk college chick in a PUBLIC PLACE. And he was accussed of rape a SECOND TIME.

And we dont know WHO is lying. We forget that. At BEST he has been falsely accused TWICE.

That is STUPID.

How do you know that for a fact? There are only 3 people saying he went in that bathroom with the accuser. Take a guess who they are. I'll give you a hint on one of them - the accuser. You should be able to figure out the other two. ;)
Cruzer, if memory serves me right, even Ben said that she fell and hit her head on the toilet... I may be wrong about that, i haven't really thought about it in so long because every time the topic comes up, Crash has me rolling around on the floor laughing so hard...

He said she hit her head but didn't say on what.

cruzer8
07-08-2010, 05:44 PM
How do you know that for a fact? There are only 3 people saying he went in that bathroom with the accuser. Take a guess who they are. I'll give you a hint on one of them - the accuser. You should be able to figure out the other two. ;)

Have you seen Ben deny it? If Ben says he wasnt even in there, and witnesses confirm it, the whole thing goes away and you know it. No suspension, it all disappears.

Come on people. We are Steeler fans and dont WANT to think it is possible.

He was in the bathroom with the girl we all know it, we simply dont know what happened in there.

No you don't know that. You're assuming. You'd make a terrible lawyer.

NJ-STEELER
07-08-2010, 05:58 PM
defining "no probable cause" for rape

to me, means the bitch was offering it up and DTF

hawaiiansteel
07-09-2010, 12:06 AM
I don't believe Bettis said anything that was inflammatory.



:Agree

if anything, he is defending Ben...



Bettis thinks Roethlisberger's heart is in the right place

Posted by Michael David Smith on July 8, 2010


Ben Roethlisberger's off-field antics made him so unpopular in Pittsburgh this offseason that large numbers of Steelers fans were hoping the team would dump its 28-year-old, two-time Super Bowl-winning quarterback.

But one of the most popular players in the team's history, Jerome Bettis, says he thinks Roethlisberger will eventually win back the fans.

"He has to keep his head down, play hard and give back to the community," Bettis told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. "If he does that, slowly but surely, he will be able to work through the process."

Bettis thinks Roethlisberger is a good person who just showed poor judgment.

"It is a situation where he has to prove his heart is in the right place," Bettis said. "And I know from knowing Ben that his heart is in the right place."

Still, Bettis knows it's not going to be an easy season for Roethlisberger or for the Steelers.

"It is not going to be a quick fix," Bettis said. "They have an uphill battle."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ght-place/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/08/bettis-thinks-roethlisbergers-heart-is-in-the-right-place/)

Shawn
07-09-2010, 12:16 AM
Bettis like Ben, was accused.

Bettis like Ben, put himself in a bad situation.

Bettis, because he's been in the same situation, if he's really a friend of Ben's, should offer support, instead of his hypocritical opinion.


Crash...not to offend but that is shear ignorance. That is a stance that a teenager makes with their parents. That stance assumes people can't learn from their own ignorant behaviors. It assumes people can't gain maturity and insight that they can pass on. Bettis learned from his situation...falsely accused or not and avoided anymore headlines. Ben hasn't done the same. He has been in major headlines in 3 offseasons. All three could be argued that they could have been avoided. Time for Ben to do some growing up...and give the Steelers a true general that they deserve.

Shawn
07-09-2010, 12:24 AM
And we dont know WHO is lying. We forget that

No DNA linking Ben to rape.

No proof, based on the opinion of medical experts that the accuser and Ben even had sex at all.

Now what would that tell you?

You listen to her, like, on the DVD, like, and you know who is, like, lying.

Period.

I believe the physician report revealed vaginal ecchymosis and small tears indicating recent intercourse. I have discussed on numerous occasions why DNA might not be present during a rape exam. There was a small amount of male DNA found just not enough to create a DNA profile. While she could have had sex with any number of men recently I wouldn't say there wasn't any evidence. There just wasn't enough evidence to convict Ben of rape.

Crash
07-09-2010, 12:36 AM
I believe the physician report revealed vaginal ecchymosis and small tears indicating recent intercourse

Wrong Shawn. The physician said that they couldn't say if it was from intercourse of any kind.

I'm sorry, if Ben raped this girl (He denied intercourse took place), they would have been able to get DNA of his from her, and they would have been able to determine how the bruising and tears got there.

Ben's a great QB, but he can't alter science.

If there was any evidence linking Ben to rape why did Bright state he had no probable cause to even arrest him?

Shawn
07-09-2010, 02:01 AM
I believe the physician report revealed vaginal ecchymosis and small tears indicating recent intercourse

Wrong Shawn. The physician said that they couldn't say if it was from intercourse of any kind.

I'm sorry, if Ben raped this girl (He denied intercourse took place), they would have been able to get DNA of his from her, and they would have been able to determine how the bruising and tears got there.

Ben's a great QB, but he can't alter science.

If there was any evidence linking Ben to rape why did Bright state he had no probable cause to even arrest him?

The physician reported vaginal ecchymosis and recent vaginal tears then went on to say he couldn't say conclusively that it was sex. I say that vaginal ecchymosis and recent vaginal tears means sex or at least vaginal trauma of some sort. Sorry if I worded it poorly. But, I can say so safely from my PC. In other words, it's a physician who sees evidence of intercourse but can't say conclusively. I know because I am faced with this same scenerio in my ER on a regular basis. I also know from experience physicians hate to be pinned down with limited information. We don't want to be drug into court and hammered by the defense when we know we can't say 100% it was sex. Male DNA, vaginal tears and ecchymosis supports recent sexual activity.

frankthetank1
07-09-2010, 07:56 AM
Bettis like Ben, was accused.

Bettis like Ben, put himself in a bad situation.

Bettis, because he's been in the same situation, if he's really a friend of Ben's, should offer support, instead of his hypocritical opinion.

what did bettis say that was so bad or hypocritical?

Calling for the uncharged Ben to be suspended, while declaring the CHARGED Kobe Bryant "Innocent until proven guilty" back in 2003 for one.

Jerome is irrelevant on this issue. He needs to shut his trap.

Ben has done charity work in Pittsburgh for six years. It's not anything new for him.

So when people like Jerome (and Rod) state that he needs to do charity work and give back? They act as if he hasn't done it. And that's wrong.

If I were Ben I would say to the press "Jerome needs to mind his own business and quit swapping signed footballs for blowjobs in cars".

i reread the article and found nothing in it where bettis sais ben should be suspended or any mention of suspension. swapping signed footballs for blow jobs? when was this? if that is really true at least the BJ's were consentual :lol:

stlrz d
07-09-2010, 08:14 AM
Bettis like Ben, was accused.

Bettis like Ben, put himself in a bad situation.

Bettis, because he's been in the same situation, if he's really a friend of Ben's, should offer support, instead of his hypocritical opinion.


Crash...not to offend but that is shear ignorance. That is a stance that a teenager makes with their parents. That stance assumes people can't learn from their own ignorant behaviors. It assumes people can't gain maturity and insight that they can pass on. Bettis learned from his situation...falsely accused or not and avoided anymore headlines. Ben hasn't done the same. He has been in major headlines in 3 offseasons. All three could be argued that they could have been avoided. Time for Ben to do some growing up...and give the Steelers a true general that they deserve.

Sure...he could just sit home every night (kind of like a reverse vampire) and only come out during the day and ONLY for football related activities. Why would he want to enjoy the money and fame he's worked so hard to earn?

proudpittsburgher
07-09-2010, 08:15 AM
So when people like Jerome (and Rod) state that he needs to do charity work and give back? They act as if he hasn't done it. And that's wrong.

I guess I don't read what you said into what Jerome, or Rod, has said. They were both asked a very specific question . . . what does Ben need to do to rehabilitate his image? And this is their opinion as to what he needs to do. It doesn't imply that he didn't do charity work in the past, it just implies that charity work is a way to strengthen your image in the public.

Noone knows what Ben did down in Georgia, but I think most reasonable people assume that he didn't rape the girl, rather he just acted like a college frat boy. Either way, he isn't painted in a very good light and he needs to perform some rehabilitation to his image, fair or not. It is what it is.

Could Jerome and Rod, and Hines for that matter, have avoided answering any questions about Ben? Sure, and they wouldn't have been wrong for doing so, but they are in no way piling on Ben by answering the many, many questions in the way they are doing. If you want to see teammates answering questions in a wrong way about a teammate, see Albert Haynesworth and the Washington Redskins.

This isn't a black/white, right/wrong situation. Every Steelerfan, and other teams fans are going to react differently to what we find out about the Ben situation. We need to stop treating it as if there is a right way and a wrong way to feel about Ben. And we can, as Steeler fans, still want Ben at the helm AND be dissappointed by his actions at the same time.

proudpittsburgher
07-09-2010, 08:18 AM
Bettis like Ben, was accused.

Bettis like Ben, put himself in a bad situation.

Bettis, because he's been in the same situation, if he's really a friend of Ben's, should offer support, instead of his hypocritical opinion.


Crash...not to offend but that is shear ignorance. That is a stance that a teenager makes with their parents. That stance assumes people can't learn from their own ignorant behaviors. It assumes people can't gain maturity and insight that they can pass on. Bettis learned from his situation...falsely accused or not and avoided anymore headlines. Ben hasn't done the same. He has been in major headlines in 3 offseasons. All three could be argued that they could have been avoided. Time for Ben to do some growing up...and give the Steelers a true general that they deserve.

Sure...he could just sit home every night (kind of like a reverse vampire) and only come out during the day and ONLY for football related activities. Why would he want to enjoy the money and fame he's worked so hard to earn?

I just can't side with this defense. He has earned a lot of money, and he can enjoy it in many ways . . . but even he had to know that the situation he was putting himself into was not a good one. This whole, "he earned his money, is an adult, and can spend his time any way he feels" argument is weak. He doesn't have to be a choirboy on the weekends, but he can be reasonably responsible.

frankthetank1
07-09-2010, 08:45 AM
Bettis like Ben, was accused.

Bettis like Ben, put himself in a bad situation.

Bettis, because he's been in the same situation, if he's really a friend of Ben's, should offer support, instead of his hypocritical opinion.


Crash...not to offend but that is shear ignorance. That is a stance that a teenager makes with their parents. That stance assumes people can't learn from their own ignorant behaviors. It assumes people can't gain maturity and insight that they can pass on. Bettis learned from his situation...falsely accused or not and avoided anymore headlines. Ben hasn't done the same. He has been in major headlines in 3 offseasons. All three could be argued that they could have been avoided. Time for Ben to do some growing up...and give the Steelers a true general that they deserve.

Sure...he could just sit home every night (kind of like a reverse vampire) and only come out during the day and ONLY for football related activities. Why would he want to enjoy the money and fame he's worked so hard to earn?

I just can't side with this defense. He has earned a lot of money, and he can enjoy it in many ways . . . but even he had to know that the situation he was putting himself into was not a good one. This whole, "he earned his money, is an adult, and can spend his time any way he feels" argument is weak. He doesn't have to be a choirboy on the weekends, but he can be reasonably responsible.

i agree with this. ben doesnt have to live his life like a shut in but he doesnt have to party like a rock star either. there should be a balance in his lifestyle. being an elite qb and a high profile celeb puts a target on your back. why else would he have bodyguards? he can go out to bars and have a good time but why must he hook up with random women? that imo is a very bad idea and is asking for trouble. i dont trust many people but if i were ben i would be very skeptical of any woman i met at a bar, club or any where else. stranger danger!!!!

RuthlessBurgher
07-09-2010, 10:18 AM
Bettis like Ben, was accused.

Bettis like Ben, put himself in a bad situation.

Bettis, because he's been in the same situation, if he's really a friend of Ben's, should offer support, instead of his hypocritical opinion.


Crash...not to offend but that is shear ignorance. That is a stance that a teenager makes with their parents. That stance assumes people can't learn from their own ignorant behaviors. It assumes people can't gain maturity and insight that they can pass on. Bettis learned from his situation...falsely accused or not and avoided anymore headlines. Ben hasn't done the same. He has been in major headlines in 3 offseasons. All three could be argued that they could have been avoided. Time for Ben to do some growing up...and give the Steelers a true general that they deserve.

Sure...he could just sit home every night (kind of like a reverse vampire) and only come out during the day and ONLY for football related activities. Why would he want to enjoy the money and fame he's worked so hard to earn?

Ooh...reverse vampires...cool. Now we can all morph into pre-teen Twilight girls and take sides on whether we are "Team Ben" or "Team Hines." I just wish I had some clue about on which side Crash stood on this matter. :wink:

cruzer8
07-09-2010, 10:23 AM
Bettis like Ben, was accused.

Bettis like Ben, put himself in a bad situation.

Bettis, because he's been in the same situation, if he's really a friend of Ben's, should offer support, instead of his hypocritical opinion.


Crash...not to offend but that is shear ignorance. That is a stance that a teenager makes with their parents. That stance assumes people can't learn from their own ignorant behaviors. It assumes people can't gain maturity and insight that they can pass on. Bettis learned from his situation...falsely accused or not and avoided anymore headlines. Ben hasn't done the same. He has been in major headlines in 3 offseasons. All three could be argued that they could have been avoided. Time for Ben to do some growing up...and give the Steelers a true general that they deserve.

Sure...he could just sit home every night (kind of like a reverse vampire) and only come out during the day and ONLY for football related activities. Why would he want to enjoy the money and fame he's worked so hard to earn?

I just can't side with this defense. He has earned a lot of money, and he can enjoy it in many ways . . . but even he had to know that the situation he was putting himself into was not a good one. This whole, "he earned his money, is an adult, and can spend his time any way he feels" argument is weak. He doesn't have to be a choirboy on the weekends, but he can be reasonably responsible.

i agree with this. ben doesnt have to live his life like a shut in but he doesnt have to party like a rock star either. there should be a balance in his lifestyle. being an elite qb and a high profile celeb puts a target on your back. why else would he have bodyguards? he can go out to bars and have a good time but why must he hook up with random women? that imo is a very bad idea and is asking for trouble. i dont trust many people but if i were ben i would be very skeptical of any woman i met at a bar, club or any where else. stranger danger!!!!

Many players have body guards. That's got nothing to do with lifestyle. They need protection. Would you rather have him carry a gun? Many players hook up with random women. Even married ones. Ben was just unfortunate to run into a nut job in Reno and then run into a scorned woman in GA. And I'm not referring to the accuser as the scorned woman either.

proudpittsburgher
07-09-2010, 10:58 AM
cruzer, when did he or I say anything bad about having bodyguards? It's about putting yourself in bad situations when you know you are in a position when you need to have bodyguards. And when I tread what you wrote, I keep going back to the saying "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me." Ben should have learned a lesson from the nutjob in Reno. And that lesson should have taugh him "Don't party with a bunch of college co-eds and go into a bathroom and get serviced by someone I just met tonight. Because, well, she could be a nutjob too.

cruzer8
07-09-2010, 11:42 AM
cruzer, when did he or I say anything bad about having bodyguards? It's about putting yourself in bad situations when you know you are in a position when you need to have bodyguards. And when I tread what you wrote, I keep going back to the saying "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me." Ben should have learned a lesson from the nutjob in Reno. And that lesson should have taugh him "Don't party with a bunch of college co-eds and go into a bathroom and get serviced by someone I just met tonight. Because, well, she could be a nutjob too.

I quoted frank, not you. He is the one who mentioned bodyguards.

There are 3 people saying that Ben went into the bathroom with that woman. You know who they are. You choose to believe them and that's your choice. I wasn't there and I don't know what happened but I do know their accounts are wildly inconsistent which is why no charges were filed.

Basically what you are saying is that Ben shouldn't have anything to do with any women because, well, any of them could be nutjobs. That's not reality friend. He's a young, single guy with a lot of money. He's going to get involved with women. And this isn't the 1800s so I don't expect him to go a' courtin' either. That's also not reality.

You're in the "I believe what the accusers in GA are saying" camp and I'm not. I believe Ben was out having a good time and the woman who got kicked out of the VIP area cooked this whole thing up to get back at him for embarrassing her. And until Ben or someone other than those 3 SoHos says that Ben went in the bathroom with the accuser then I won't believe that either. I believe he made out with her a bit in the hallway (like he said), realized how drunk she was when she bumped her head (like he said) and he then backed off (like he said).

Crash
07-09-2010, 12:00 PM
i reread the article and found nothing in it where bettis sais ben should be suspended or any mention of suspension. swapping signed footballs for blow jobs? when was this? if that is really true at least the BJ's were consentual

Bettis called for Ben's suspension after they announced no charges.

Bettis was investigated for sexual assault in 2002. He was accused of forcing a woman to blow him in a car.

He put himself in the same bad spot Ben has.

Why didn't Jerome suspend himself?

You'll notice the ONLY TWO Steelers players (or in Jerome's case former) who have said anything really badmouthing Ben are the two biggest self promoters in Bettis and his little buddy Ward.

Now we know where Bettis and Logan get their "info" from.

frankthetank1
07-09-2010, 12:54 PM
Many players have body guards. That's got nothing to do with lifestyle. They need protection. Would you rather have him carry a gun? Many players hook up with random women. Even married ones. Ben was just unfortunate to run into a nut job in Reno and then run into a scorned woman in GA. And I'm not referring to the accuser as the scorned woman either.[/quote]

your missing my point. he should have bodyguards. if i were ben or a high profile celeb i would roll with security every where i went. my point was the fact that he has bodyguards proves the point that he is a target for mcnutty and other scumbags. many players do hook up with random women and it usually ends up badly.

cruzer8
07-09-2010, 01:06 PM
your missing my point. he should have bodyguards. if i were ben or a high profile celeb i would roll with security every where i went. my point was the fact that he has bodyguards proves the point that he is a target for mcnutty and other scumbags. many players do hook up with random women and it usually ends up badly.

Many players hook up with random women (a lot more than what any of us wants to believe) and it doesn't end up badly. Some guys just have bad luck.

RuthlessBurgher
07-09-2010, 01:39 PM
your missing my point. he should have bodyguards. if i were ben or a high profile celeb i would roll with security every where i went. my point was the fact that he has bodyguards proves the point that he is a target for mcnutty and other scumbags. many players do hook up with random women and it usually ends up badly.

Many players hook up with random women (a lot more than what any of us wants to believe) and it doesn't end up badly. Some guys just have bad luck.

It may not be bad luck as it might be a guy who could be dumb enough to get what he wants out of them and then abruptly and bluntly tells them to hit the bricks because he is done with them, thereby pi$$ing them off to the point that they want to take some action against him (not necessarily in this case specifically, just general speculation).

Other guys are able to have numerously trysts going on all at once (Tiger had more than a dozen) but none of them accused him of anything or turned him in to his wife because he would treat them well, make them feel special, buy them gifts, etc. (his wife only ultimately found out about the cheating because of his cell phone stupidity, not because one of the girls turned on him). I'm not saying Tiger is any better, because he is scummy for cheating on his wife like this (while Ben is a single guy).

But if he treats women as objects rather than as people, and always has an air of entitlement about him that makes him feel superior to regular folk, then I could understand where such "bad luck" might come from (again, I'm not saying this is the case...it's just pure 100% speculation).

cruzer8
07-09-2010, 02:31 PM
your missing my point. he should have bodyguards. if i were ben or a high profile celeb i would roll with security every where i went. my point was the fact that he has bodyguards proves the point that he is a target for mcnutty and other scumbags. many players do hook up with random women and it usually ends up badly.

Many players hook up with random women (a lot more than what any of us wants to believe) and it doesn't end up badly. Some guys just have bad luck.

It may not be bad luck as it might be a guy who could be dumb enough to get what he wants out of them and then abruptly and bluntly tells them to hit the bricks because he is done with them, thereby pi$$ing them off to the point that they want to take some action against him (not necessarily in this case specifically, just general speculation).

Other guys are able to have numerously trysts going on all at once (Tiger had more than a dozen) but none of them accused him of anything or turned him in to his wife because he would treat them well, make them feel special, buy them gifts, etc. (his wife only ultimately found out about the cheating because of his cell phone stupidity, not because one of the girls turned on him). I'm not saying Tiger is any better, because he is scummy for cheating on his wife like this (while Ben is a single guy).

But if he treats women as objects rather than as people, and always has an air of entitlement about him that makes him feel superior to regular folk, then I could understand where such "bad luck" might come from (again, I'm not saying this is the case...it's just pure 100% speculation).

There's no doubt about that, but many athletes treat women like objects and many of those women don't object to that.

But sometimes a guy just has bad luck with the women he hooks up with.

grotonsteel
07-09-2010, 04:08 PM
Other guys are able to have numerously trysts going on all at once (Tiger had more than a dozen) but none of them accused him of anything or turned him in to his wife because he would treat them well, make them feel special, buy them gifts, etc. (his wife only ultimately found out about the cheating because of his cell phone stupidity, not because one of the girls turned on him). I'm not saying Tiger is any better, because he is scummy for cheating on his wife like this (while Ben is a single guy).



Tiger Woods paid money to shut their mouth. I still fail to understand why should this not be consider prostitution???

Shawn
07-09-2010, 06:01 PM
Bettis like Ben, was accused.

Bettis like Ben, put himself in a bad situation.

Bettis, because he's been in the same situation, if he's really a friend of Ben's, should offer support, instead of his hypocritical opinion.


Crash...not to offend but that is shear ignorance. That is a stance that a teenager makes with their parents. That stance assumes people can't learn from their own ignorant behaviors. It assumes people can't gain maturity and insight that they can pass on. Bettis learned from his situation...falsely accused or not and avoided anymore headlines. Ben hasn't done the same. He has been in major headlines in 3 offseasons. All three could be argued that they could have been avoided. Time for Ben to do some growing up...and give the Steelers a true general that they deserve.

Sure...he could just sit home every night (kind of like a reverse vampire) and only come out during the day and ONLY for football related activities. Why would he want to enjoy the money and fame he's worked so hard to earn?

Or maybe he can just stay off the bikes without a helmet and out of college bars. But eh what do I know?

Shawn
07-09-2010, 06:04 PM
your missing my point. he should have bodyguards. if i were ben or a high profile celeb i would roll with security every where i went. my point was the fact that he has bodyguards proves the point that he is a target for mcnutty and other scumbags. many players do hook up with random women and it usually ends up badly.

Many players hook up with random women (a lot more than what any of us wants to believe) and it doesn't end up badly. Some guys just have bad luck.

It may not be bad luck as it might be a guy who could be dumb enough to get what he wants out of them and then abruptly and bluntly tells them to hit the bricks because he is done with them, thereby pi$$ing them off to the point that they want to take some action against him (not necessarily in this case specifically, just general speculation).

Other guys are able to have numerously trysts going on all at once (Tiger had more than a dozen) but none of them accused him of anything or turned him in to his wife because he would treat them well, make them feel special, buy them gifts, etc. (his wife only ultimately found out about the cheating because of his cell phone stupidity, not because one of the girls turned on him). I'm not saying Tiger is any better, because he is scummy for cheating on his wife like this (while Ben is a single guy).

But if he treats women as objects rather than as people, and always has an air of entitlement about him that makes him feel superior to regular folk, then I could understand where such "bad luck" might come from (again, I'm not saying this is the case...it's just pure 100% speculation).

This is my suspicion as well. "Luck" is usually created...bad or good.

stlrz d
07-09-2010, 11:06 PM
Bettis like Ben, was accused.

Bettis like Ben, put himself in a bad situation.

Bettis, because he's been in the same situation, if he's really a friend of Ben's, should offer support, instead of his hypocritical opinion.


Crash...not to offend but that is shear ignorance. That is a stance that a teenager makes with their parents. That stance assumes people can't learn from their own ignorant behaviors. It assumes people can't gain maturity and insight that they can pass on. Bettis learned from his situation...falsely accused or not and avoided anymore headlines. Ben hasn't done the same. He has been in major headlines in 3 offseasons. All three could be argued that they could have been avoided. Time for Ben to do some growing up...and give the Steelers a true general that they deserve.

Sure...he could just sit home every night (kind of like a reverse vampire) and only come out during the day and ONLY for football related activities. Why would he want to enjoy the money and fame he's worked so hard to earn?

Or maybe he can just stay off the bikes without a helmet and out of college bars. But eh what do I know?

He wasn't on a bike or in a college bar in Reno.

So much for that idea. But eh what do I know?

proudpittsburgher
07-10-2010, 08:23 PM
cruzer, when did he or I say anything bad about having bodyguards? It's about putting yourself in bad situations when you know you are in a position when you need to have bodyguards. And when I tread what you wrote, I keep going back to the saying "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me." Ben should have learned a lesson from the nutjob in Reno. And that lesson should have taugh him "Don't party with a bunch of college co-eds and go into a bathroom and get serviced by someone I just met tonight. Because, well, she could be a nutjob too.

I quoted frank, not you. He is the one who mentioned bodyguards.

That's fine, and why I said "him or I" . . . either way, he never said anything bad about Ben having bodyguards, which was my point.

There are 3 people saying that Ben went into the bathroom with that woman. You know who they are. You choose to believe them and that's your choice. I wasn't there and I don't know what happened but I do know their accounts are wildly inconsistent which is why no charges were filed.

I honestly don't care exactly what happened because I realize the truth likely lies somewhere in between what both sides are professing.

Basically what you are saying is that Ben shouldn't have anything to do with any women because, well, any of them could be nutjobs. That's not reality friend. He's a young, single guy with a lot of money. He's going to get involved with women. And this isn't the 1800s so I don't expect him to go a' courtin' either. That's also not reality.

I hope you are not deciding things on what you think I am saying, because you are wrong. There are plenty of women out there who are very attractive, very personable, and very apparent they aren't nutjobs. But when you find one at a co-ed bar, following you around with a DTF button on, well, chances are higher that she is a nutjob than if you picked her up at, say, anywhere else. Forget reality for a secodn, because ben doesn;t fall into yours or mine. He signed a 100 million dollar contract, which puts him in a different reality than you or I.


You're in the "I believe what the accusers in GA are saying" camp and I'm not.

Um, no I'm not. I'm, in the "My quarterback makes 100 million dollars, so he shouldn't be hanging out in a college bar getting girls drunk" camp. I just want Ben to shake the college frat boy llifestyle, that's all.


I believe Ben was out having a good time and the woman who got kicked out of the VIP area cooked this whole thing up to get back at him for embarrassing her. And until Ben or someone other than those 3 SoHos says that Ben went in the bathroom with the accuser then I won't believe that either. I believe he made out with her a bit in the hallway (like he said), realized how drunk she was when she bumped her head (like he said) and he then backed off (like he said).

I totally hope you are right, and if you are 100 percent right, then I am completely wrong to think poorly of ben. But like I said, I choose to believe that the truth lies somewhere in between Ben's and the other girls statements. Either way, I DO support ben as QB of this team and I just hope he shakes th eparty lifestyle, that's all. There ar eplenty of NFL players who live in a reality where they just friggen go home afte work, or go to a bar with some friends where it doesn't end up in scandal.

hawaiiansteel
07-10-2010, 08:39 PM
[quote=Shawn]

Or maybe he can just stay off the bikes without a helmet and out of college bars. But eh what do I know?

He wasn't on a bike or in a college bar in Reno.

So much for that idea. But eh what do I know?[/quote:9c41dz0b]


Or maybe he can just stay off the bikes without a helmet and out of college bars and not invite nutty women up to his room to fix his tv set.

But eh what do I know?

Crash
07-11-2010, 01:14 AM
Um, she knew his TV was "broken" 24 hours before Ben supposedly told her.

That's another tidbit the media has ignored for the most part.

Shawn
07-11-2010, 10:06 PM
[quote=Crash]Bettis like Ben, was accused.

Bettis like Ben, put himself in a bad situation.

Bettis, because he's been in the same situation, if he's really a friend of Ben's, should offer support, instead of his hypocritical opinion.


Crash...not to offend but that is shear ignorance. That is a stance that a teenager makes with their parents. That stance assumes people can't learn from their own ignorant behaviors. It assumes people can't gain maturity and insight that they can pass on. Bettis learned from his situation...falsely accused or not and avoided anymore headlines. Ben hasn't done the same. He has been in major headlines in 3 offseasons. All three could be argued that they could have been avoided. Time for Ben to do some growing up...and give the Steelers a true general that they deserve.

Sure...he could just sit home every night (kind of like a reverse vampire) and only come out during the day and ONLY for football related activities. Why would he want to enjoy the money and fame he's worked so hard to earn?

Or maybe he can just stay off the bikes without a helmet and out of college bars. But eh what do I know?

He wasn't on a bike or in a college bar in Reno.

So much for that idea. But eh what do I know?[/quote:2dtmfaf8]

? What are you talking about? I think we both know the point I was making.

Shawn
07-11-2010, 10:07 PM
[quote=Shawn]

Or maybe he can just stay off the bikes without a helmet and out of college bars. But eh what do I know?

He wasn't on a bike or in a college bar in Reno.

So much for that idea. But eh what do I know?


Or maybe he can just stay off the bikes without a helmet and out of college bars and not invite nutty women up to his room to fix his tv set.

But eh what do I know?[/quote:153enyu0]

Nah...it's all just bad luck...hater. :D

Shawn
07-11-2010, 10:09 PM
Um, she knew his TV was "broken" 24 hours before Ben supposedly told her.

That's another tidbit the media has ignored for the most part.

Crash you are like a regular Columbo or sumthin. You come up with alot of stuff I haven't heard before. Do you think she raped him in that room?

Crash
07-11-2010, 11:02 PM
Um, she knew his TV was "broken" 24 hours before Ben supposedly told her.

That's another tidbit the media has ignored for the most part.

Crash you are like a regular Columbo or sumthin. You come up with alot of stuff I haven't heard before. Do you think she raped him in that room?

I believe they had a consensual sexual encounter after a previous conversation in which witnesses describe the two of them flirting.

I come with stuff because unlike most who only read bits and pieces of what certain tabloid-like media portray, I read all of the stuff that is made available to the public in some form or another.

The fact that national media like ESPN, and local media like the PG totally dismissed what the Georgia audio CDs contained proved their witch hunt for what it was.

Captain Lemming
07-12-2010, 12:35 PM
You'll notice the ONLY TWO Steelers players (or in Jerome's case former) who have said anything really badmouthing Ben are the two biggest self promoters in Bettis and his little buddy Ward.

Do you know why Crash is so bent over JBs comments here which is in no way an attack on Ben?

Crash believes some Steelers are good others are bad.

Ben can do no wrong. I debated him that he should listen to Cowher and where a helmet BEFORE the accident. He could not criticize Ben before OR after the accident for being stupid. Cowher was the villain in ANYTHING where he disagreed with Ben. BC was ALWAYS wrong in Crashs mind back then (before the SB win).

JB and HW are also VILLAINS in his mind. It taints his every comment about them. He can find nothing good about them.

I know it sounds bizarre but it is true.

All I need to know that it is a Bettis quote and I know any comment by Crash will be negative. Ditto HW. I truly believe he hate HW more than he does most Ravens.

I wish we had the trib stuff around and the pattern is clear. He is extremely predictable.

feltdizz
07-12-2010, 12:49 PM
You'll notice the ONLY TWO Steelers players (or in Jerome's case former) who have said anything really badmouthing Ben are the two biggest self promoters in Bettis and his little buddy Ward.

Do you know why Crash is so bent over JBs comments here which is in no way an attack on Ben?

Crash believes some Steelers are good others are bad.

Ben can do no wrong. I debated him that he should listen to Cowher and where a helmet BEFORE the accident. He could not criticize Ben before OR after the accident for being stupid. Cowher was the villain in ANYTHING where he disagreed with Ben. BC was ALWAYS wrong in Crashs mind back then (before the SB win).

JB and HW are also VILLAINS in his mind. It taints his every comment about them. He can find nothing good about them.

I know it sounds bizarre but it is true.

All I need to know that it is a Bettis quote and I know any comment by Crash will be negative. Ditto HW. I truly believe he hate HW more than he does most Ravens.

I wish we had the trib stuff around and the pattern is clear. He is extremely predictable.

"Crash hates black Steelers..."

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Captain Lemming
07-12-2010, 12:52 PM
I believe they had a consensual sexual encounter after a previous conversation in which witnesses describe the two of them flirting.

Wow, I also think this is very possible, but I am not certain.


I come with stuff because unlike most who only read bits and pieces of what certain tabloid-like media portray, I read all of the stuff that is made available to the public in some form or another.

The fact that national media like ESPN, and local media like the PG totally dismissed what the Georgia audio CDs contained proved their witch hunt for what it was.

What I find interesting Crash, is that you spin information DELIBERATELY to imply that Ben never had sex. Ben used the expression "never had sexual intercourse", very deliberately. Clearly, based on your comments above even if this is technically true, you know that "other things" might have happened.

If true the medical evidence you keep using means jack squat in proving innocence as you imply.

Shawn pins you into a corner with his medical knowledge and NOW you admit YOU believe some kind of sex happened.

Crash, the truth is we cannot know what happened that night.

Captain Lemming
07-12-2010, 12:57 PM
"Crash hates black Steelers..."

Stop it Diz, that is NOT my point. :lol:

Crash was a HUGE fan of Plax, for being the anti-WARD.

Ward is a punk and Plax is a class act if you ask him. Where is Plax anyway? I kinda lost track. :lol:

Crash
07-12-2010, 01:21 PM
What I find interesting Crash, is that you spin information DELIBERATELY to imply that Ben never had sex. Ben used the expression "never had sexual intercourse", very deliberately. Clearly, based on your comments above even if this is technically true, you know that "other things" might have happened.

He was accused of UNPROTECTED SEXUAL INTERCOURSE DURING A RAPE in Georgia.

That's what he was accused of.

That's what he was investigated for.

Not groping, not fingering, once again, UNPROTECTED SEXUAL INTERCOURSE DURING A RAPE.

And the evidence does not support that happening, to the point that DA Bright ADMITTED that he didn't have probable cause to even arrest him. Once again, for him to state that in a press conference? Is big in any crime investigation but is absolutely HUGE in a rape investigation.


Shawn pins you into a corner with his medical knowledge and NOW you admit YOU believe some kind of sex happened.

Where I said Ben had the sex, was with MCNULTY, not Miss DTF.

Follow along please if you are going to call me out.

Regards,

Crash

flippy
07-12-2010, 03:33 PM
Now we can all morph into pre-teen Twilight girls and take sides on whether we are "Team Ben" or "Team Hines." I just wish I had some clue about on which side Crash stood on this matter. :wink:

I'm Team Steelers which includes Hines and Ben. It's not like they're competing against one another.

But come game 5, I'm sure there will be some split of Team Byron vs Team Ben after Byron takes us to 4-0. Anyone know if Byron's ever committed any crimes?

Crash
07-12-2010, 03:37 PM
I wouldn't expect anyone but Hines to mention anything about a split in the locker room.

Just wait. It'll happen even if they are 0-4.

NJ-STEELER
07-12-2010, 05:18 PM
You'll notice the ONLY TWO Steelers players (or in Jerome's case former) who have said anything really badmouthing Ben are the two biggest self promoters in Bettis and his little buddy Ward.



Ben can do no wrong. .

you're wrong

before any of the facts were out in the GA case, he was very down on him and stated if true...he needs to be tossed out of the burgh

feltdizz
07-13-2010, 08:00 PM
I wouldn't expect anyone but Hines to mention anything about a split in the locker room.

Just wait. It'll happen even if they are 0-4.

If we start out 4-0 will you be upset?

If we do, I think there will be a split... when a team is winning no one wants to change the formula. It's not like Ben won his starting job he got it through injury and never looked back. Brady and Cassell's situation was different because it wasn't a mid-season swap.

I know it's Ben's team but if we are rolling at 4-0 best believe someone will leak the locker room split. Ben makes a ton of money and there are guys on the team who would probably benefit financially if there was more money available. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if a few bean counters in the FO leaked a story of 2.

I think we will hear every story imaginable this year due to our off-season drama

stlrz d
07-13-2010, 08:19 PM
I wouldn't expect anyone but Hines to mention anything about a split in the locker room.

Just wait. It'll happen even if they are 0-4.

If we start out 4-0 will you be upset?

If we do, I think there will be a split... when a team is winning no one wants to change the formula. It's not like Ben won his starting job he got it through injury and never looked back. Brady and Cassell's situation was different because it wasn't a mid-season swap.

I know it's Ben's team but if we are rolling at 4-0 best believe someone will leak the locker room split. Ben makes a ton of money and there are guys on the team who would probably benefit financially if there was more money available. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if a few bean counters in the FO leaked a story of 2.

I think we will hear every story imaginable this year due to our off-season drama

Ben replaced Tommy effing Maddox. How many Super Bowls has Tommy won?

Just retire from posting your inane ramblings...please.

NJ-STEELER
07-13-2010, 10:24 PM
I wouldn't expect anyone but Hines to mention anything about a split in the locker room.

Just wait. It'll happen even if they are 0-4.

If we start out 4-0 will you be upset?

If we do, I think there will be a split... when a team is winning no one wants to change the formula. It's not like Ben won his starting job he got it through injury and never looked back. Brady and Cassell's situation was different because it wasn't a mid-season swap.


Huh?

ben came in to an injury in the 2nd game of the season.

cassel in the opener after brady was injured... it wasn't mid season