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Flasteel
07-05-2010, 11:03 AM
About time somebody brought a realisitic view of the Steelers on that website.

Pittsburgh columnist thinks Steelers are a six-win team
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 5, 2010 10:21 AM ET
A Steelers offseason that will be remembered for all the wrong reasons has officially spooked Pittsburgh.

A column by Gene Collier in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that we mentioned in one-liners Sunday details the damage, from Big Ben's suspension to Santonio Holmes' departure to season-ending injuries to Willie Colon and Limas Sweed. And like so much offseason news, there has been an overreaction to this avalanche of negative headlines.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/assets_c/2010/07/W.%20Colon-thumb-250x185-15195.jpg
"They were a 9-win team a year ago, with the quarterback generally upright and relatively upstanding," Collier writes. "They were probably an 8-win team with the departure of Santonio Tweeter-dumb Holmes, probably a 7-win team in light of the formerly-upstanding quarterback's four- to six-week suspension. They look like maybe a 6-win team with Colon's Achilles unstrung."

And that's where the madness needs to stop. First of all, the Steelers were no ordinary nine-win team. They didn't lose a game by two scores all season. Luck and special teams knocked them down a few pegs.

Second, it's a fallacy to believe each team starts over where the last group left off. The Steelers are one of the very few organizations that start each season with an edge. They have the talent and system to expect to compete. They've dipped under .500 once since 1999 and still have a great quarterback that should be available for 12 games.

Oviedo
07-05-2010, 11:43 AM
No, I think we are a 3 win team. The Ravens and the Bumgals will crush us. That is what I want the players to hear and I want to watch them come ourt with an edge and play with fury.

Collier is just another of the JV-team writers that Pittsburgh has who throws ourt crap hoping it sticks to something. When the Steelers win 9 or 10 games do you think Collier will have the guts to write an article saying what an idiot he is? Doubt it.

Jooser
07-05-2010, 04:52 PM
Nope, O, he won't. What a bunch of crap. We'll be competitive, just wait and see. :tt2

hawaiiansteel
07-05-2010, 04:53 PM
"A column by Gene Collier in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that we mentioned in one-liners Sunday details the damage, from Big Ben's suspension to Santonio Holmes' departure to season-ending injuries to Willie Colon and Limas Sweed."


without Limas Sweed we will be lucky to win 2 or 3 games at the most... :roll:

birtikidis
07-05-2010, 05:32 PM
what was bigger the loss of Troy or hte loss of Ben (for a few weeks)?
what was bigger the loss of Aaron or the loss of Wiillie?
what was bigger the loss of stapleton or the loss of Sweed?

i think that Collier forgot that we lost some very important pieces last season.

flippy
07-06-2010, 07:46 AM
What about the loss of Willie Parker?

stlrz d
07-06-2010, 07:55 AM
Collier was called out on NFLN too. One of the guys asked if there was drug testing for the media.

Sugar
07-06-2010, 07:58 AM
Collier was called out on NFLN too. One of the guys asked if there was drug testing for the media.

Having known enough writers, there is a good chance we would see some very different authors on these publications.

MaxAMillion
07-06-2010, 01:09 PM
I think Collier's column makes perfect sense. The Colts won't make the playoffs if you take Manning, Wayne and their starting RT off the team. Neither will the Saints if you remove Brees and Colston along with their starting RT. You need talent to win games and right now the talent on offense is limited at best.

I expect the Steelers to start out 1-3 and on their way to a 7-9 season. Teams will stack the line to stop the run and then on passing downs they will blitz the statue known as Leftwich mercilessly. There is a reason that mediocre teams like the Jags and Bucs cut Leftwich. He ain't that good.

If we still had Holmes, I would think differently. I think his loss for the season along with Ben's loss for four games is too much to overcome.

Ghost
07-06-2010, 01:28 PM
I think it's realistic to go 3-1 heading into the bye week and then they paly Cleveland and Miami - both winnable games. This season could start a whole lot better than people think.

BR - Huge loss but we have to hope that knowing it throughout OTA's and all of camp will help BL get a few victories in the first quarter of the season.

Colon - this one hurts more than most are letting on. We're trying to tell ourselves he's replaceable but I think it's a huge loss.

Sweed - may be big or maybe Wallace in year two will really step in and make that a negligible loss

Sweed - total joke to even mention him. He's added nothing so nothing is lost.

costanza2k1
07-06-2010, 01:59 PM
Collier achieved what he wanted to, shock value. He's now a known writer amongst the media, even if he's known as a D-Bag.

hawaiiansteel
07-10-2010, 02:26 AM
Steelers' Turbulent Offseason Isn't A Six-Win Death Sentence


Jul 8, 2010 - I would be remiss if I didn't address an article the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ran over the holiday weekend, wherein Gene Collier suggests that the Pittsburgh Steelers, after a tumultuous offseason, are now a six-win team.

The article reads like a laundry list of all the unlucky breaks the franchise has endured in the past two and a half months. First there was the Santonio Holmes trade, and then the Achilles injury to Limas Sweed, further thinning the Pittsburgh receiving corps. Then - and you may have heard about this already - star quarterback Ben Roethlisberger was suspended for at least four games due to his second rape allegation in less than a year. To make matters worse, the Steelers lost starting right tackle Willie Colon to an Achilles injury last week.

It's been the worst offseason for the Steelers in recent memory. And when you list them rapid-fire like that, the turnover in quality personnel really can seem insurmountable.

Plus, if you're Collier, you get to do fun things like allude to the Illiad, since Sweed and Colon were both lost to Achilles injuries. (Get it? Collier is probably a former English major, like myself, so I'm hip to the occasional urge to wax literary - although I'd likely be citing authors at least 2,600 years younger than Homer. But likening Achilles' "mythic anger" to injury bug casualties like Sweed and Colon, just because there's a cute rhetorical link? I know these are the dog days of the offseason and we've got white space to fill, but puh-leaze.)

Oh - Collier also gets to suggest that guys like Colon shouldn't be working on their agility during the offseason for fear of tweaking that tricky tendon. Probably shouldn't bench press, either. Don't want to tear a pectoral. And no eating. Don't wanna choke. Liquid diets for all the big fellas on the offensive and defensive lines! It should be really fun for Ravens fans to watch Haloti Ngata line up against Christian Bale from The Machinist.

But I digress.

My real qualm with Collier's article is its almost maddening pessimism. I'm a life-long Steelers fan, but I can remain impartial enough to concede that Pittsburgh's turbulent offseason just might result in a middling regular season and a second consecutive year without the Black & Gold in the playoffs.

But six wins? Again: puh-leaze.

Collier's argument amounts to little more than the aforementioned laundry list of offseason wreckage while counting backward, like a child who's "it" in a game of hide-and-seek, from the Steelers' 2009 nine-win mark:

They were a 9-win team a year ago, with the quarterback generally upright and relatively upstanding. They were probably an 8-win team with the departure of Santonio Tweeter-dumb Holmes, probably a 7-win team in light of the formerly-upstanding quarterback's four- to six-week suspension. They look like maybe a 6-win team with Colon's Achilles unstrung.

Overreactions like this must be defused.

It hurts to lose a talent like Holmes, sure, but Mike Wallace showed last year that he can play. If the second-year receiver has improved his route-running even a little bit in the offseason, he should prove an adequate successor.

The Steelers also have two solid-if-unspectacular veteran wideouts (Antwaan Randle El and Arnaz Battle) who are capable of making plays in the slot, and a couple of rookie receivers (Emmanuel Sanders and Antonio Brown) who have impressed so far and could contribute down the stretch. And let's not forget reliable options Hines Ward and Heath Miller.

If losing Holmes is the zombie apocalypse, the Steelers certainly aren't the paranoid guy who's spent months stocking his basement pantry with beefaroni and reinforcing his windows with wooden planks. But they're at least the guy with the third-story apartment who just went to the grocery store. I'm not saying the offense won't miss Holmes, just that there's enough depth to deal with the situation.

Losing Roethlisberger hurts, but not as much as it might have. That NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell issued the quarterback's suspension so early was a blessing. When the Steelers kick off their season on September 12th, they will have had all the time they could have possibly wanted to prepare Big Ben's replacement (it's looking more and more each day like it'll be Byron Leftwich) to step in for a month.

Now, I say "for a month," because there is no way Roethlisberger stays suspended beyond Week 4. Both the quarterback and the franchise will jump through whatever hoops Goodell shoves in front of them in order to minimize the suspension. And with the first month featuring only one legitimately frightening matchup (Week 4 against the Baltimore Ravens), the Steelers are primed to weather Roethlisberger's absence with a 2-2 record in an absolute worst-case scenario (the upstart Atlanta Falcons could give Pittsburgh some trouble in Week 1).

Whatever September's outcome, the Steelers will still have a great quarterback on their side for the majority of the season.

Admittedly, Colon's loss concerns me even more than those of Holmes or Roethlisberger. Assuming the Steelers don't make a move to reinforce their offensive line - like signing free agent tackle Flozell Adams - it looks like the competition to replace Colon will come down to Trai Essex, Ramon Foster, and Jonathan Scott. Other reports say it could be rookie first-rounder Maurkice Pouncey.

The point is no one knows how this will turn out just yet. Once training camp and the preseason are in the books, we may have a better idea of the situation, but with a position like offensive tackle that's so difficult to evaluate statistically, it's likely we won't truly grasp the significance of losing Colon until the games that matter.

But just like Pittsburgh's efforts to replace Roethlisberger, the quest to find the best stand-in for Colon doesn't need to be rushed. The Steelers have plenty of time to figure something out.

Moreover, there are some facts Collier has really neglected in assessing the allegedly doomed Steelers. First of all, the team's best player - some guy named Troy Polamalu - appears to be healthy and ready to take the field in 2010. His absence for most of last season was an enormous part of Pittsburgh's vulnerability to the pass.

Anyway, I don't need to get into what kind of difference this guy can make on the field. You've all seen the highlight reels. You know what a healthy Polamalu is capable of.

Pittsburgh's nine-win mark from last year, the starting point that gets Collier to his six-win, doomsday prediction, also deserves consideration. The 2009 season is but a blip in the rear-view mirror, and it's been dissected to death by a number of sources - so I'll keep this short.

The Steelers didn't lose by more than two scores all season, and shoddy play from special teams - a very fixable facet of the game - was often the culprit in these closely contested matchups.

What's more, while Pittsburgh dropped games to teams they undoubtedly should have beaten (the Kansas City Chiefs, Oakland Raiders, and Cleveland Browns), they also proved capable of besting elite talent, teams like the San Diego Chargers, Minnesota Vikings, Green Bay Packers, and Baltimore Ravens, all of whom are popular preseason Super Bowl picks for 2010.

The Steelers' offseason has been a train wreck, yes, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Check back next week for a game-by-game breakdown of what to reasonably expect from the Steelers in the upcoming season. (Hint: it's more than six wins!)

http://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/2010/...rs-win-in-2010

Discipline of Steel
07-12-2010, 06:16 PM
No, I think we are a 3 win team. The Ravens and the Bumgals will crush us. That is what I want the players to hear and I want to watch them come ourt with an edge and play with fury.

Collier is just another of the JV-team writers that Pittsburgh has who throws ourt crap hoping it sticks to something. When the Steelers win 9 or 10 games do you think Collier will have the guts to write an article saying what an idiot he is? Doubt it.

No he wont, but i can put his prediction in the Nostradamus thread and we can vote on the worst prediction at the end of the season as well as the best.