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fordfixer
06-29-2010, 12:32 AM
Harris: Revis' actions wouldn't suit Steelers
By John Harris, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Tuesday, June 29, 2010
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 88039.html (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_688039.html)

Sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for -- such as a scenario in which the Steelers selected Pitt cornerback Darrelle Revis in the first round of the 2007 NFL Draft.

That nearly happened, if you go by all the speculation and conjecture before and after coach Mike Tomlin's first draft three years ago.

I, myself, see the glass being half empty rather than half full.

The Steelers have a track record for trading up in the draft if they want a player badly enough. They did it for Troy Polamalu in 2003 and Santonio Holmes in 2006.

In my opinion, if the Steelers truly wanted Revis -- whom they saw practice and play first-hand throughout his college career -- they would have traded up to the No. 14 spot instead of "settling" for linebacker Lawrence Timmons one pick later.

Revis has produced for the New York Jets. He had six interceptions in 2009, 14 career picks and two Pro Bowl appearances in his three-year career.

Those numbers would make Steelers fans happy.

However, I don't think fans would be happy about Revis' off-the-field numbers if he played for the Steelers.

Revis wants the Jets to tear up the remaining three years of his contract and reward him with a new deal approaching $100 million that would make him the highest-paid cornerback in league history.

During a recent minicamp, Revis floated the possibility of holding out during training camp. He also pulled himself out of a practice because of what he said was a hamstring injury after getting burned for a touchdown pass by Braylon Edwards, then amended his story to say he wasn't hurt but felt "light-headed" and took himself out because of unhappiness with his contract.

Revis' me-first actions made Jets coach Rex Ryan, who originally defended Revis' decision to miss practice until Revis changed his story, look stupid.

Also, Revis' public display of placing his personal goals ahead of the Jets' runs counter to the team-first philosophy endorsed by the Steelers.

"I can't speak for him (Revis)," Steelers assistant head coach/defensive line coach John Mitchell told me a couple of weeks ago. "I always was taught you sign a contract, be man enough to honor it.

"I think players get in this league, they have some success right off the bat, and they think they're the best thing since sliced bread.

"If this guy is an eight- or nine-year veteran, yeah. This guy's been in the league three years. His football's ahead of him, not behind him. I just think the economical situation now in professional football is leading a lot of guys down the wrong path."

Mitchell said he couldn't envision a Steelers defensive player embarrassing him the way Revis did Ryan.

"I have a pretty good relationship with my players. I don't think they would do it," Mitchell said. "If they did, I think my relationship with them is one where we could sit down, talk and iron it out without it getting to the head coach, or without it getting to the owner."

Without mentioning Revis -- a local fan favorite from Aliquippa -- Mitchell suggested the Steelers don't always draft the most talented player because they're more concerned with acquiring players who fit their system.

"When the draft comes, there's a lot of good football players. A lot of times, the Steelers bypass them, and people want to know why. They're great football players, but they don't fit what we do," Mitchell said.

"Everybody wants to get paid as much money as they can. But the Steelers have won two Super Bowls (since 2005). It shows the younger players that come here if you work hard and do your job, you're going to get rewarded.

"You're not going to be judged on how much money you made. It's going to be, 'How many Super Bowls did you win?' "

Agent Joe Linta, who represents tackle Willie Colon, said the Steelers target players who focus on team goals -- not individual ones.

"They've done a good job for the most part of bringing in lunch-pail guys like Willie," Linta said.

According to Mitchell, not everyone -- no matter how talented -- can play for the Steelers. That apparently includes Revis.

"A lot of teams try to buy players or try to buy a Super Bowl," Mitchell said. "You have to get people who fit into your program."

NJ-STEELER
06-29-2010, 12:36 AM
good thing mitch doesn't coach the offense

SteelHoss
06-29-2010, 09:38 AM
I like this report. I think it details a lot about "The Steeler Way."

phillyesq
06-29-2010, 10:21 AM
By John Harris, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW


I stopped reading here. :lol:

RuthlessBurgher
06-29-2010, 12:11 PM
good thing mitch doesn't coach the offense

Why is this?

Dee Dub
06-29-2010, 12:51 PM
Revis' actions wouldn't suit Steelers?? My friend the Steelers aren't the Jets. They are one of the best run sports franchise in the entire world. The Steelers would have done what they always do with their talented young players they want to keep....they would have had him locked up a long time ago.

Show me one great young player that the Steelers wanted to keep that they lost to free agency :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :idea:

Crash
06-29-2010, 12:55 PM
I guess Harris forgot about Ward's holdout.

cruzer8
06-29-2010, 01:01 PM
Revis' actions wouldn't suit Steelers?? My friend the Steelers aren't the Jets. They are one of the best run sports franchise in the entire world. The Steelers would have done what they always do with their talented young players they want to keep....they would have had him locked up a long time ago.

Show me one great young player that the Steelers wanted to keep that they lost to free agency :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :idea:

Chad Brown?

Northern_Blitz
06-29-2010, 01:08 PM
The Steelers would have done what they always do with their talented young players they want to keep....they would have had him locked up a long time ago.


He is locked up. He's talking about voiding the last 3 years of his contract.

Hopefully, your statement is true regarding Woodley.

RuthlessBurgher
06-29-2010, 01:29 PM
Revis' actions wouldn't suit Steelers?? My friend the Steelers aren't the Jets. They are one of the best run sports franchise in the entire world. The Steelers would have done what they always do with their talented young players they want to keep....they would have had him locked up a long time ago.

Show me one great young player that the Steelers wanted to keep that they lost to free agency :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :idea:

Chad Brown?

They had to choose between Chad Brown or Greg Lloyd for a big money contract that offseason. They chose Lloyd, but unfortunately, he tore his patella tendon shortly after that, developed an infection that nearly killed him, and he was never the same after that.

Dee Dub
06-29-2010, 01:33 PM
Revis' actions wouldn't suit Steelers?? My friend the Steelers aren't the Jets. They are one of the best run sports franchise in the entire world. The Steelers would have done what they always do with their talented young players they want to keep....they would have had him locked up a long time ago.

Show me one great young player that the Steelers wanted to keep that they lost to free agency :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :idea:

Chad Brown?

The Steelers had a viable replacement in the wings. That falls under the "didnt want him line".

Dee Dub
06-29-2010, 01:39 PM
[quote="Dee Dub":134j8215]The Steelers would have done what they always do with their talented young players they want to keep....they would have had him locked up a long time ago.


He is locked up. He's talking about voiding the last 3 years of his contract.

Hopefully, your statement is true regarding Woodley.[/quote:134j8215]

But the Steelers would have paid him and locked him up at a salary that would have been good for both. See Troy Polamalu, Hines Ward, James Harrison, Ike Taylor, Casey Hampton, Ben Roethlisberger, Aaron Smith, etc., etc,

Having a contract that can have 3 years voided isn't a contract that is best for both. Think about it.

RuthlessBurgher
06-29-2010, 01:57 PM
[quote="Dee Dub":yvf5jsei]Revis' actions wouldn't suit Steelers?? My friend the Steelers aren't the Jets. They are one of the best run sports franchise in the entire world. The Steelers would have done what they always do with their talented young players they want to keep....they would have had him locked up a long time ago.

Show me one great young player that the Steelers wanted to keep that they lost to free agency :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :idea:

Chad Brown?

The Steelers had a viable replacement in the wings. That falls under the "didnt want him line".[/quote:yvf5jsei]

In Brown's last season in Pittburgh, he had 13 sacks. There is no way we "didn't want him."

cruzer8
06-29-2010, 02:18 PM
[quote="Dee Dub":3l0sgdw0]Revis' actions wouldn't suit Steelers?? My friend the Steelers aren't the Jets. They are one of the best run sports franchise in the entire world. The Steelers would have done what they always do with their talented young players they want to keep....they would have had him locked up a long time ago.

Show me one great young player that the Steelers wanted to keep that they lost to free agency :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :idea:

Chad Brown?

The Steelers had a viable replacement in the wings. That falls under the "didnt want him line".

In Brown's last season in Pittburgh, he had 13 sacks. There is no way we "didn't want him."[/quote:3l0sgdw0]

Correct. And they had a chance to re-do his deal the year before that monster season but they chose the wait-and-see approach and it burned them.

Dee Dub
06-29-2010, 02:19 PM
[quote="Dee Dub":3m52bm93]Revis' actions wouldn't suit Steelers?? My friend the Steelers aren't the Jets. They are one of the best run sports franchise in the entire world. The Steelers would have done what they always do with their talented young players they want to keep....they would have had him locked up a long time ago.

Show me one great young player that the Steelers wanted to keep that they lost to free agency :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :idea:

Chad Brown?

The Steelers had a viable replacement in the wings. That falls under the "didnt want him line".

In Brown's last season in Pittburgh, he had 13 sacks. There is no way we "didn't want him."[/quote:3m52bm93]

I dont agree. Kirkland, Holmes, Lloyd, and Gildon were there. It was in the best interests of the Steelers to let him go. That is another way of saying we do not want him anymore. We want to go with these 4 other above average LB's.

Dee Dub
06-29-2010, 02:20 PM
[quote="Dee Dub":pspofjwq]Revis' actions wouldn't suit Steelers?? My friend the Steelers aren't the Jets. They are one of the best run sports franchise in the entire world. The Steelers would have done what they always do with their talented young players they want to keep....they would have had him locked up a long time ago.

Show me one great young player that the Steelers wanted to keep that they lost to free agency :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :idea:

Chad Brown?

The Steelers had a viable replacement in the wings. That falls under the "didnt want him line".

In Brown's last season in Pittburgh, he had 13 sacks. There is no way we "didn't want him."

Correct. And they had a chance to re-do his deal the year before that monster season but they chose the wait-and-see approach and it burned them.[/quote:pspofjwq]

The wait and see approach wasnt on Brown but on Holmes. And Holmes stepped in and had a solid 1997.

flippy
06-29-2010, 02:20 PM
What Revis is doing is good for the players imho.

Either give everyone a 1 year contract or make the contracts guaranteed.

We could have had either Lamar Woodley or Willie Colon hold out who are both due to make some money and are both significantly underpaid.

If Revis gets $100M, I can only imagine what kind of contracts Ben or Brady will end up with. Especially if either of those 2 win another SuperBowl or 2.

cruzer8
06-29-2010, 02:21 PM
[quote=cruzer8][quote="Dee Dub":29g9nr13]Revis' actions wouldn't suit Steelers?? My friend the Steelers aren't the Jets. They are one of the best run sports franchise in the entire world. The Steelers would have done what they always do with their talented young players they want to keep....they would have had him locked up a long time ago.

Show me one great young player that the Steelers wanted to keep that they lost to free agency :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :idea:

Chad Brown?

The Steelers had a viable replacement in the wings. That falls under the "didnt want him line".

In Brown's last season in Pittburgh, he had 13 sacks. There is no way we "didn't want him."[/quote:29g9nr13]

I dont agree. Kirkland, Holmes, Lloyd, and Gildon were there. It was in the best interests of the Steelers to let him go. That is another way of saying we do not want him anymore. We want to go with these 4 other above average LB's.[/quote:29g9nr13]

Not true. They waited a year too long to do his deal and ended up losing him. They wanted him.

flippy
06-29-2010, 02:25 PM
[quote="Dee Dub":c9rh1g6r]Revis' actions wouldn't suit Steelers?? My friend the Steelers aren't the Jets. They are one of the best run sports franchise in the entire world. The Steelers would have done what they always do with their talented young players they want to keep....they would have had him locked up a long time ago.

Show me one great young player that the Steelers wanted to keep that they lost to free agency :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :idea:

Chad Brown?

The Steelers had a viable replacement in the wings. That falls under the "didnt want him line".

In Brown's last season in Pittburgh, he had 13 sacks. There is no way we "didn't want him."[/quote:c9rh1g6r]

We just couldn't pay the price money bags in Seattle could.

Plus Pittsburgh lacks sushi for the distinguished palate.

Dee Dub
06-29-2010, 02:34 PM
I guess some of you forgot how one dimensional Chad Brown was?? How he was inept in run support. He didnt play outside LB he played inside. Earl Holmes was a better fit for what they wanted to play on defense. Of course they wanted to keep one of their own but not at the cost it was going to take. They werent playing in Heinz Field at the time. The revenue wasnt the same and it was best to let go and allow for others to step in.

hawaiiansteel
06-29-2010, 02:50 PM
Plus Pittsburgh lacks sushi for the distinguished palate.


this is the real reason why Chad Brown left, it had absolutely nothing to do with money. Chad Brown's wife simply didn't think Pittsburgh had good enough sushi bars... :wink:

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/ISI/MM001X~Sushi-Bar-Posters.jpg

RuthlessBurgher
06-29-2010, 03:19 PM
I guess some of you forgot how one dimensional Chad Brown was?? How he was inept in run support. He didnt play outside LB he played inside. Earl Holmes was a better fit for what they wanted to play on defense. Of course they wanted to keep one of their own but not at the cost it was going to take. They werent playing in Heinz Field at the time. The revenue wasnt the same and it was best to let go and allow for others to step in.

He was able to play both inside as well as outside. In the Super Bowl XXX season, he played inside with Kirkland between Lloyd and Greene. The next year, he moved outside when Lloyd was hurt and had 13 sacks as an OLB. After that, Seattle signed him away.

Earl Holmes was solid, but he wasn't Chad Brown. He was a 4th round rookie in Brown's last season in Pittsburgh, not some stud-in-waiting.

Talent-wise, Chad Brown was like Lawrence Timmons, and Earl Holmes was like Larry Foote. Holmes and Foote were steady, but Brown and Timmons were dynamic.

RuthlessBurgher
06-29-2010, 03:21 PM
Plus Pittsburgh lacks sushi for the distinguished palate.


this is the real reason why Chad Brown left, it had absolutely nothing to do with money. Chad Brown's wife simply didn't think Pittsburgh had good enough sushi bars... :wink:

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/ISI/MM001X~Sushi-Bar-Posters.jpg

If there weren't any good places for Sushi in Pittsburgh, they could have just fileted up a couple of Chad's pets for an exotic meal.

http://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/83916446.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789215ABF3343C02EA5480268604037308308 60EC850D904F757C78B10479F0F60A70

cruzer8
06-29-2010, 04:21 PM
I guess some of you forgot how one dimensional Chad Brown was?? How he was inept in run support. He didnt play outside LB he played inside. Earl Holmes was a better fit for what they wanted to play on defense. Of course they wanted to keep one of their own but not at the cost it was going to take. They werent playing in Heinz Field at the time. The revenue wasnt the same and it was best to let go and allow for others to step in.

He was able to play both inside as well as outside. In the Super Bowl XXX season, he played inside with Kirkland between Lloyd and Greene. The next year, he moved outside when Lloyd was hurt and had 13 sacks as an OLB. After that, Seattle signed him away.

Earl Holmes was solid, but he wasn't Chad Brown. He was a 4th round rookie in Brown's last season in Pittsburgh, not some stud-in-waiting.

Talent-wise, Chad Brown was like Lawrence Timmons, and Earl Holmes was like Larry Foote. Holmes and Foote were steady, but Brown and Timmons were dynamic.

Exactly.

The Steelers blew it by waiting a year too long to do his deal.

Northern_Blitz
06-29-2010, 05:02 PM
[quote="Northern_Blitz":gw9xtogh][quote="Dee Dub":gw9xtogh]The Steelers would have done what they always do with their talented young players they want to keep....they would have had him locked up a long time ago.


He is locked up. He's talking about voiding the last 3 years of his contract.

Hopefully, your statement is true regarding Woodley.[/quote:gw9xtogh]

But the Steelers would have paid him and locked him up at a salary that would have been good for both. See Troy Polamalu, Hines Ward, James Harrison, Ike Taylor, Casey Hampton, Ben Roethlisberger, Aaron Smith, etc., etc,

Having a contract that can have 3 years voided isn't a contract that is best for both. Think about it.[/quote:gw9xtogh]

Which one of those players did we re-up with 3 years remaining on their rookier contracts?

Ben signed his rookie contract for 6 years in 2004. He was re-upped in 2008 (2 years remaining). Troy signed a 5 year deal as a rookie (2003) and was re-upped in 2007 (1 year left).

NJ-STEELER
06-29-2010, 06:06 PM
I guess some of you forgot how one dimensional Chad Brown was?? How he was inept in run support. He didnt play outside LB he played inside. Earl Holmes was a better fit for what they wanted to play on defense. Of course they wanted to keep one of their own but not at the cost it was going to take. They werent playing in Heinz Field at the time. The revenue wasnt the same and it was best to let go and allow for others to step in.

He was able to play both inside as well as outside. In the Super Bowl XXX season, he played inside with Kirkland between Lloyd and Greene. The next year, he moved outside when Lloyd was hurt and had 13 sacks as an OLB. After that, Seattle signed him away.

Earl Holmes was solid, but he wasn't Chad Brown. He was a 4th round rookie in Brown's last season in Pittsburgh, not some stud-in-waiting.

Talent-wise, Chad Brown was like Lawrence Timmons, and Earl Holmes was like Larry Foote. Holmes and Foote were steady, but Brown and Timmons were dynamic.

Exactly.

The Steelers blew it by waiting a year too long to do his deal.

similiar to the pens and ryan malone

flippy
06-29-2010, 06:20 PM
Plus Pittsburgh lacks sushi for the distinguished palate.


this is the real reason why Chad Brown left, it had absolutely nothing to do with money. Chad Brown's wife simply didn't think Pittsburgh had good enough sushi bars... :wink:

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/ISI/MM001X~Sushi-Bar-Posters.jpg

If there weren't any good places for Sushi in Pittsburgh, they could have just fileted up a couple of Chad's pets for an exotic meal.

http://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/83916446.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789215ABF3343C02EA5480268604037308308 60EC850D904F757C78B10479F0F60A70

Board rules my friend:

http://www.breda-en-alles-daaromheen.nl/pasadena_bestanden/image118.jpg

I'm sure RB has a collection of Kristin Brown pics for us. This was all I could find.

NJ-STEELER
06-29-2010, 06:25 PM
i like Larry timmons, but these articles about choosing him would have been right if revis was available are bullchit.

we'd be regretting it big time, passing on a talent like that if both were available