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hawaiiansteel
06-28-2010, 01:37 AM
What Big Ben needs to do

Monday, June 28, 2010
By Ron Cook, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


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We can't get away from Ben Roethlisberger. It's all Ben, all the time in the news. Even when the Steelers were supposed to be off vacationing before the start of training camp July 30, he made a surprise visit last week to his football camp for kids at Mars High School, probably against the wishes of some organizers and sponsors who had handed off the camp to Steelers coach Mike Tomlin after rape allegations against Roethlisberger in Georgia in March. Then, later in the week, Roethlisberger was called out publicly by teammate Hines Ward, who said Ben needs to address the Steelers as a group about his off-field indiscretions.

There really never is a slow news day with Ben.

The camp visit was fine. It was another small step in the right direction for Roethlisberger, who needs to be seen in a positive public spotlight as he tries to rebuild his life, image and football career. What better way to do it than by throwing around a football with a bunch of kids? Certainly, some parents of campers didn't like it, which is understandable. But if Roethlisberger had even a few minutes to teach a life lesson by telling those kids that everyone is responsible for his or her actions -- no matter how talented or rich or famous they might be -- they could have learned something from him.

The call-out by Ward was a little more troubling. It's hard to see what good can come from it. If Ward has a problem with Roethlisberger, he should have taken it to him, not to the NFL Network. Going public with it is never the right answer.

This isn't the first time this sort of thing has happened with Ward and Roethlisberger. In November, Ward insinuated to NBC that he and several teammates would have played in an important late-season division game against the Baltimore Ravens with concussion-like symptoms that kept Roethlisberger out. It became a national story after the Steelers were beaten by the Ravens in overtime in part because of an interception thrown by Roethlisberger's backup, Dennis Dixon. The defeat went a long way toward keeping the Steelers out of the playoffs.

In the furor that followed, Ward was quick to say his words were misinterpreted and that he didn't mean to question Roethlisberger's toughness. Still, there was damage done. "He reached out to me and I told him I was just more hurt than anything," Roethlisberger said at the time. The two appeared to put the issue behind them. Teammates don't have to like each other to play well together. Ward and Roethlisberger have been so good together that each appears headed to the Hall of Fame.

Now, that relationship will be tested again.

It is so unnecessary.

All Roethlisberger owes the Steelers is an apology. For putting the team in a terrible spot by getting suspended by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell for at least the first four games of the 2010 season. For putting each player in the uncomfortable predicament of having to answer questions about him, a process that Ward described as "tiring."

It is believed Roethlisberger already apologized to many teammates individually during the Steelers' organized team activities earlier this month. Just to be sure he didn't miss anyone, he needs to stand up in front of the players on the first day of camp and do it again. He has to tell them how sorry he is for letting them down by not being there with them for those first four games.

If that's all Ward wants from Roethlisberger, that's fine. But a more detailed explanation about what happened on that March 5 early morning in Milledgeville, Ga.? Roethlisberger's attorneys wouldn't allow it. Even if they would, there's no need for it. That would do no one any good.

The best thing Roethlisberger can do for the Steelers is show up at camp in the best shape of his life, be ready to play in the exhibition games and stay in that same great shape during his suspension when he won't be allowed to be at the team's South Side training headquarters for practices and meetings or use it for conditioning. Then, he must be prepared to start playing his best football when his suspension ends, presumably in time for the home game against the Cleveland Browns Oct. 17.

That's what Roethlisberger owes Ward and his teammates.

Not some explanation.

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Crash
06-28-2010, 02:40 AM
From an email sent by Anita Doddroe yesterday, who was on hand (luckily with a camera) for Ben's surprise visit to the kids football camp last Wednesday:

Hi Erin, I thought I'd send you a few of my pictures of Ben at the Old Spice Mike Tomlin Football Camp.

"I just can't say enough how great Ben was with the kids. We had Heath Miller, Brett Keisel & Chris Hoke come and work with the kids and they were great, too.

"However, when Ben showed up, it was absolutely electric!! The kids were ecstatic and regardless of how the media portrays it, as far as I could tell most, if not all, of the parents were happy to see him, too. I didn't hear a single negative reaction."

http://bigbennews.com

Oviedo
06-28-2010, 07:52 AM
Wow. Media scum who gets it. How refreshing. He hits the nail on the head. I could really careless if Ben apologizes to the team to stroke Hines' ego by watching Ben eat humble pie. I'm sure Hines has some things to apologize for too.

All I want Ben to do is to walk the straight and narrow and come back committed to being the best QB in the NFL and winning football games. Nothing else is necessary.

stlrz d
06-28-2010, 07:57 AM
Wow. Media scum who gets it. How refreshing. He hits the nail on the head. I could really careless if Ben apologizes to the team to stroke Hines' ego by watching Ben eat humble pie. I'm sure Hines has some things to apologize for too.

All I want Ben to do is to walk the straight and narrow and come back committed to being the best QB in the NFL and winning football games. Nothing else is necessary.

Yeah he makes some good points but Cook still can't resist taking his shots at Ben.

Steelers>NFL
06-28-2010, 08:48 AM
What Ben needs to do is lead the Steelers to Super Bowl title #7 this season
and almost everyone will forget this offseason drama that Ben brought on himself.
This league is all about "what have you done lately".

flippy
06-28-2010, 09:17 AM
I wonder if Hines says this stuff on purpose? Because he knows what we know. Ben plays his best when everyone's against him. Maybe Hines says stuff publicly to get under Ben's skin and make him play better as a result.

Oviedo
06-28-2010, 10:05 AM
I wonder if Hines says this stuff on purpose? Because he knows what we know. Ben plays his best when everyone's against him. Maybe Hines says stuff publicly to get under Ben's skin and make him play better as a result.

I think that Hines has a level of resentment with regards to Ben. Hines sees himself as "THE GUY" and he knows he dealing with the reality he is at the end of his career. Add to that he thinks he never has gotten the credit he deserves. In reality and in terms of recognition and pay, Ben is "THE GUY" and IMO that bothers Hines greatly.

frankthetank1
06-28-2010, 10:14 AM
I wonder if Hines says this stuff on purpose? Because he knows what we know. Ben plays his best when everyone's against him. Maybe Hines says stuff publicly to get under Ben's skin and make him play better as a result.

I think that Hines has a level of resentment with regards to Ben. Hines sees himself as "THE GUY" and he knows he dealing with the reality he is at the end of his career. Add to that he thinks he never has gotten the credit he deserves. In reality and in terms of recognition and pay, Ben is "THE GUY" and IMO that bothers Hines greatly.

why would hines resent ben? ben is a qb. i could of seen him resenting holmes because he is a wr although i have never heard him say anything negative about holmes. its pure speculation to say he resents any of his teammates. what hines cares about most is winning not stats. he never got to a sb before ben. i would think given the scrub qb's hines had to play with before ben i would find it hard to believe hines doesnt appreciate ben's talent. who knows though, you very well could be right. no one knows ben or hines personally so we will never know.

plainnasty
06-28-2010, 10:51 AM
Here's what Ward said:

"A lot of players really don’t know the situation, other than what we hear in the news or the media,” Ward explained. “I think when he addresses the whole team going into training camp, we can all put it behind us and move forward.”

Is he calling Roethlisberger out? Is he demanding a detailed explaination about his night in Georgia? Make your own judgement. Seems like something else blown out of proportion by the media to me.

And Ron Cook wonders why we can't get away from news about Ben.

Crash
06-28-2010, 10:53 AM
I think that Hines has a level of resentment with regards to Ben.

Always has.

I still say Ben should declare that Hines talk about his divorce and the fact that he ran a bar with a convicted drug dealer, and used convicted drug dealer as a "middle man" to buy cars.

Then I would ask him why on Earth during the 2008 season, are you hanging around porn actresses in public.

http://www.sportaphile.com/2008/12/28/i ... lin-palin/ (http://www.sportaphile.com/2008/12/28/is-hines-ward-nailin-palin/)

Flasteel
06-28-2010, 10:58 AM
I wonder if Hines says this stuff on purpose? Because he knows what we know. Ben plays his best when everyone's against him. Maybe Hines says stuff publicly to get under Ben's skin and make him play better as a result.

I think that Hines has a level of resentment with regards to Ben. Hines sees himself as "THE GUY" and he knows he dealing with the reality he is at the end of his career. Add to that he thinks he never has gotten the credit he deserves. In reality and in terms of recognition and pay, Ben is "THE GUY" and IMO that bothers Hines greatly.

Now you're turning into one of these anti-Ward kooks? Say it ain't so veedo. :P

Why don't all of you quit trying to play armchair psychologists and go around interpreting the meaning or motive of everything that comes out of Ward's mouth. This a ridiculous assertion (not quite to the level of insinuating why he is divorced) and there is nothing that could remotely support what you state.

It's funny. Look at all of the folks criticizing Ward for what he says, then they all turn around and say outlandish ****. It may not be with a mic in front of them, and certainly no one here is Ward's teammate, but it is none the less, ironic.

I'm not one of these guys who has a Fat-head graphic of Hines on my bedroom wall or anything, but in my opinion, all Ward is guilty of is being a little loose with his words. Maybe he needs a filter adjustment. He wears his emotions on his sleeve and he says what is on his mind. That will be the extent to which I try to "analyze" him.

plainnasty
06-28-2010, 11:03 AM
Here's what Ward said:

"A lot of players really don’t know the situation, other than what we hear in the news or the media,” Ward explained. “I think when he addresses the whole team going into training camp, we can all put it behind us and move forward.”

Is he calling Roethlisberger out? Is he demanding a detailed explaination about his night in Georgia? Make your own judgement. Seems like something else blown out of proportion by the media to me.

And Ron Cook wonders why we can't get away from news about Ben.

Crash
06-28-2010, 11:07 AM
Ron Cook didn't go on live television and say Ben needed to discuss the Georgia incident.

Hines Ward did.

siss
06-28-2010, 11:16 AM
Ron Cook didn't go on live television and say Ben needed to discuss the Georgia incident.

Hines Ward did.
But he does at least need to acknowledge the mess that he made and apologize to his team for what happened. Those guys had a mic in there face all spring and every other question was about Ben. And for the most part they were very supportive of Ben. That had to wear them out and I think Ben needs to acknowledge that. He has enough of a battle this season as it is, a locker room issue is not another thing he needs to add to it. And I believe Hines was saying that he thought Ben would do exactly that.
I think that people want there to be a locker room and so they are creating a locker room problem. When for all you know Ben planned on talking to the team at camp and maybe had even told Hines that.

plainnasty
06-28-2010, 11:21 AM
Ron Cook didn't go on live television and say Ben needed to discuss the Georgia incident.

Hines Ward did.
When did Ward say that Ben NEEDED to discuss the Georgia incident? Ward's statement seems to assume that Ben will discuss it, he is not demanding it.

Shawn
06-28-2010, 12:06 PM
First, Ward was out of line by taking it public.
Second, yes Ben does owe the team an apology.

His actions effected ownership, coaching, players and fans and part of the healing process is owning it. That means a big gulp of humility. Humility is tough for many of us and I can't imagine it being easy for Ben. No matter what happened that night Ben put himself and the team in a spot. Now we are without our franchise QB for at least 4 games.

RuthlessBurgher
06-28-2010, 01:47 PM
I wonder if Hines says this stuff on purpose? Because he knows what we know. Ben plays his best when everyone's against him. Maybe Hines says stuff publicly to get under Ben's skin and make him play better as a result.

I think that Hines has a level of resentment with regards to Ben. Hines sees himself as "THE GUY" and he knows he dealing with the reality he is at the end of his career. Add to that he thinks he never has gotten the credit he deserves. In reality and in terms of recognition and pay, Ben is "THE GUY" and IMO that bothers Hines greatly.

Ever since Bettis retired, Hines has been the guy that comes out the tunnel last when the starting offense is announced (not Ben). Hines gets the biggest cheers (except for when the starting defense is announced instead when Troy comes out last). Getting your name called last during pre-game announcements at Heinz is the ultimate sign of respect.

flippy
06-28-2010, 01:55 PM
I wonder if Hines says this stuff on purpose? Because he knows what we know. Ben plays his best when everyone's against him. Maybe Hines says stuff publicly to get under Ben's skin and make him play better as a result.

I think that Hines has a level of resentment with regards to Ben. Hines sees himself as "THE GUY" and he knows he dealing with the reality he is at the end of his career. Add to that he thinks he never has gotten the credit he deserves. In reality and in terms of recognition and pay, Ben is "THE GUY" and IMO that bothers Hines greatly.

Ever since Bettis retired, Hines has been the guy that comes out the tunnel last when the starting offense is announced (not Ben). Hines gets the biggest cheers (except for when the starting defense is announced instead when Troy comes out last). Getting your name called last during pre-game announcements at Heinz is the ultimate sign of respect.

The Hines' cheers @ Heinz are an order of magnitude bigger than the cheers than anyone else on the offense gets. Hines is loved like Jack Lambert was loved on the field. It's the same way Troy is loved by the fans.

And it's a different kind of love than we have for our QB. The QB gets all the money. He gets all the fame. We expect them to perform. And we'll boo the crap out of a QB louder than any other player as a result cause we have such high expectations.

But the guys that don't get all the money and all the fame that still give everything. Like Lambert, like Hines, like Troy, like Rocky, etc. Those are the guy we love cause they give all they've got and then some but don't get all the fame and money that Ben and Bradshaw get.

We make it up to them. And it's kinda cool how Steeler Nation evens things out.

And don't get me wrong, we love our QB. But we also expect more from them than any other player.

buckeyehoppy
06-28-2010, 02:45 PM
I think when guys say something to the media first, they run the risk of the kind of backlash that Hines is getting from some here. It's not always appropriate. But it does need to be said. Ben DOES need to, one final time, come completely clean with his teammates and put his indiscretions behind him. This is what he owes his team for not being there for the first 4 games.

One thing that we, as THE Steeler Universe, must always insist upon is that this isn't just any NFL team... this is The Pittsburgh Steelers: 6-time Super Bowl Champions and a team that always has a target on their back. To wear the Black and Gold is, and should always be, a distinct honor in the way that donning the Yankee pinstripes or the Purple and Gold of the Lakers or Green and White of the Celtics or the sweater of the Canadiens is because all those teams have a long history of championship. To be a Steeler is to conduct oneself as a CHAMPION. Nothing less will do.

I typically cringe when I see one teammate call out another. This is the second time it has happened in relation to Hines toward Ben. Doesn't ratify the means by which Hines sent the message. And, FWIW, I don't think he necessarily said anything out of turn because this is something that Ben needs to do. But it also isn't fair for sides to be chosen up here. If these are the Champion Steelers that I see them as being, they will bury the hatchet ASAP and use it as a catalyst for another championship campaign.

Between you and me, I expect the Steelers to win Super Bowl XLV. It's not like any other team in football is any better or that much better and champions, facing adversity, rise beyond the challenge and attain the higher glory. Hines Ward, Ben Roethlisberger and the rest of The Pittsburgh Steelers must make this their purpose above and beyond any ordinary championship expectations because they appear to be a laughing stock by the rest of the league and might be perceived as an easy mark because of the distractions of this off-season. It won't merely be about winning... it'll be about proving all the naysayers wrong.

cruzer8
06-28-2010, 02:50 PM
The only thing Ben owes anyone is his performance on the field.

feltdizz
06-28-2010, 03:01 PM
The only thing Ben owes anyone is his performance on the field.

that's bull and you know it...

Shawn
06-28-2010, 03:25 PM
The only thing Ben owes anyone is his performance on the field.

that's bull and you know it...

$$$

cruzer8
06-28-2010, 04:42 PM
The only thing Ben owes anyone is his performance on the field.

that's bull and you know it...

Show me where it states in his contract that he owes anyone anything more than his performance on the field.

I'll be waiting. A long time.

hawaiiansteel
06-28-2010, 04:48 PM
The only thing Ben owes anyone is his performance on the field.

that's bull and you know it...

Show me where it states in his contract that he owes anyone anything more than his performance on the field.

I'll be waiting. A long time.


i'm sure in every NFL Player's contract that it states they must follow and obey the NFL's Personal Conduct Policy.

Shawn
06-28-2010, 04:57 PM
The only thing Ben owes anyone is his performance on the field.

that's bull and you know it...

Show me where it states in his contract that he owes anyone anything more than his performance on the field.

I'll be waiting. A long time.


i'm sure in every NFL Player's contract that it states they must follow and obey the NFL's Personal Conduct Policy.

$$$

I'm starting to wonder if cruzer is just trying to :stirpot because he can't be serious.

stlrz d
06-28-2010, 08:10 PM
The only thing Ben owes anyone is his performance on the field.

that's bull and you know it...

Show me where it states in his contract that he owes anyone anything more than his performance on the field.

I'll be waiting. A long time.


i'm sure in every NFL Player's contract that it states they must follow and obey the NFL's Personal Conduct Policy.

What are the terms of this arbitrary policy? A massive gray area is not a policy...it's a kangaroo court.

I agree...Ben doesn't owe anyone anything.

feltdizz
06-28-2010, 08:50 PM
If Ben doesn't owe anyone anything maybe you should let him know so he can stop wasting his time playing with kids at the camp and spend more time buying bitches shots :stirpot

He should go out and turn the Strip District into an actual strip district. Get back on the motorcycle and do a couple tricks... smoke some crack, beat a seal... phuck it.

Walk right up to Rooney and the commish and :moon

He doesn't owe anyone anything right? :wft

contracts usually have policies in place and most times there are gray areas inserted. I have no idea why a few people are taking pride in their ignorance :stirpot

birtikidis
06-28-2010, 08:54 PM
after reading the headline I instantly thought of Robert Downey JR., Crash and Tropic Thunder... I mean if Ben had his entire body tattooed brown as to appear African American, he'd be in the clear!

hawaiiansteel
06-28-2010, 08:54 PM
The only thing Ben owes anyone is his performance on the field.

that's bull and you know it...

Show me where it states in his contract that he owes anyone anything more than his performance on the field.

I'll be waiting. A long time.


i'm sure in every NFL Player's contract that it states they must follow and obey the NFL's Personal Conduct Policy.

What are the terms of this arbitrary policy? A massive gray area is not a policy...it's a kangaroo court.




this is a copy of the NFL Personal Conduct Policy...


NFL Personal Conduct Policy


All persons associated with the NFL are required to avoid “conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in the National Football League.” This requirement applies to players, coaches, other team employees, owners, game officials and all others privileged to work in the National Football League.

For many years, it has been well understood that rules promoting lawful, ethical, and responsible conduct serve the interests of the League, its players, and fans. Illegal or irresponsible conduct does more than simply tarnish the offender. It puts innocent people at risk, sullies the reputation of others involved in the game, and undermines public respect and support for the NFL.

STANDARD OF CONDUCT

While criminal activity is clearly outside the scope of permissible conduct, and persons who engage in criminal activity will be subject to discipline, the standard of conduct for persons employed in the NFL is considerably higher. It is not enough simply to avoid being found guilty of a crime. Instead, as an employee of the NFL or a member club, you are held to a higher standard and expected to conduct yourself in a way that is responsible, promotes the values upon which the League is based, and is lawful. Persons who fail to live up to this standard of conduct are guilty of conduct detrimental and subject to discipline, even where the conduct itself does not result in conviction of a crime. Discipline may be imposed in any of the following circumstances:

Criminal offenses including, but not limited to, those involving:
The use or threat of violence; domestic violence and other forms of partner abuse; theft and other property crimes; sex offenses; obstruction or resisting arrest; disorderly conduct; fraud; racketeering; and money laundering;
Criminal offenses relating to steroids and prohibited substances, or substances of abuse;
Violent or threatening behavior among employees, whether in or outside the workplace;
Possession of a gun or other weapon in any workplace setting, including but not limited to stadiums, team facilities, training camp, locker rooms, team planes,
buses, parking lots, etc., or unlawful possession of a weapon outside of the workplace;
Conduct that imposes inherent danger to the safety and well being of another person; and
Conduct that undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL, NFL clubs, or NFL players.

EVALUATION, COUNSELING AND TREATMENT

Apart from any disciplinary action, persons arrested, charged or otherwise appearing to have engaged in conduct prohibited under this policy will be required to undergo a formal clinical evaluation. Based on the results of that evaluation, the person may be encouraged or required to participate in an education program, counseling or other treatment deemed appropriate by health professionals. The evaluation and any resulting counseling or treatment are designed to provide assistance and are not considered discipline; however, the failure to comply with this portion of the Policy shall itself constitute a separate and independent basis for discipline.

Discipline:

Upon learning of conduct that may give rise to discipline, the League will direct an investigation which may include interviews and information gathering from medical, law enforcement, and other relevant professionals. The League will promptly advise the NFLPA of any investigation of a player, as well as of the results of the investigation. As appropriate, the employee will also have the opportunity, represented by counsel and/or a union official, to address the conduct at issue. Upon conclusion of the investigation, the Commissioner will have full authority to impose discipline as warranted.

Discipline may take the form of fines, suspension, or banishment from the League and may include a probationary period and conditions that must be satisfied prior to or following reinstatement. The specifics of the disciplinary response will be based on the nature of the incident, the actual or threatened risk to the participant and others, any prior or additional misconduct (whether or not criminal charges were filed), and other relevant factors.

Unless the case involves significant bodily harm, a first offense will generally not result in discipline until there has been a disposition of the proceeding (or until the investigation is complete in the case of employee or workplace misconduct).

With respect to repeat offenders, the Commissioner may impose discipline on an expedited basis. In such cases, the timing and nature of the discipline will be determined by the Commissioner based on several factors including but not limited to: the severity of the initial charge and later charge; the facts underlying the later charge; the length of time between the initial offense and later charge; and the player or employee’s compliance with counseling and other programs. Following a full investigation and/or resolution of the proceedings, the Commissioner will review the matter and make any appropriate adjustments.

Hearing Rights:

Following the imposition of discipline, the affected person will have the right to appeal the decision. (For players, discipline imposed during the period beginning with the Hall of Fame Game and ending with the Pro Bowl must be appealed within ten (10) calendar days following the decision.) Persons filing an appeal shall be entitled to a prompt hearing pursuant to Article XI of the Collective Bargaining Agreement and the NFL Constitution and Bylaws, to be conducted by the Commissioner or his designee. In cases involving players, the NFLPA will be entitled to participate in the hearing.

Reinstatement:

Any person suspended indefinitely or for at least one year may seek reinstatement beginning one month prior to the one-year anniversary of the suspension. As part of his consideration of the application for reinstatement from a player, the Commissioner will seek the views of the NFLPA, Player Advisory Council, and may consult medical, law enforcement, and other relevant professionals.

Other Provisions:

Covered Persons: This policy applies to all players under contract; all coaches; all game officials; all full-time employees of the NFL, NFL clubs, and all NFL-related entities; all rookie players once they are selected in the NFL college draft; and all undrafted rookie players, unsigned veterans who were under contract in the prior League Year, and other prospective employees once they commence negotiations with a club concerning employment. Clubs are strongly encouraged to communicate this policy to independent contractors and consultants and to make clear that violations of this policy will be grounds for terminating a business relationship.

“Disposition of a Criminal Proceeding”-- includes an adjudication of guilt or admission to a criminal violation; a plea to a lesser included offense; a plea of nolo contendere or no contest; or the acceptance of a diversionary program, deferred adjudication, disposition of supervision, or similar arrangements.

“Probationary Period”-- Persons found to have violated this policy may be placed on a period of probation as determined by the Commissioner. During such period, restrictions on certain activities, limitations on participation in Club activities, or other conditions may be imposed.

Repeat Offenders:

Persons who have had previous violations of law or of this policy may be considered repeat offenders. When appropriate, conduct occurring prior to the person’s association with the League will be considered.

Reporting of Incidents -- The League must be advised promptly of any incident that may be a violation of this policy, and particularly when any conduct results in an arrest or other criminal charge. Players and club employees must report any such incident to the club, which must then report it to NFL Security. Failure to report an incident will constitute conduct detrimental and will be taken into consideration in making disciplinary determination under this policy. Clubs are also required to report incidents that come to their attention.

Assistance: Players and employees are encouraged to consult with their Player Development Directors or with the League’s Player and Employee Development Department to obtain access to educational, counseling, and other programs and resources that will help in avoiding misconduct that may result in discipline.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/ ... uct-policy (http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/21598/nfl-personal-conduct-policy)

feltdizz
06-28-2010, 09:01 PM
Now why did you go and do that Hawaiian? It has words and everything!

stlrz d
06-28-2010, 09:07 PM
If Ben doesn't owe anyone anything maybe you should let him know so he can stop wasting his time playing with kids at the camp and spend more time buying bitches shots :stirpot

He should go out and turn the Strip District into an actual strip district. Get back on the motorcycle and do a couple tricks... smoke some crack, beat a seal... phuck it.

Walk right up to Rooney and the commish and :moon

He doesn't owe anyone anything right? :wft

contracts usually have policies in place and most times there are gray areas inserted. I have no idea why a few people are taking pride in their ignorance :stirpot

You do it with every post.





this is a copy of the NFL Personal Conduct Policy...


NFL Personal Conduct Policy


All persons associated with the NFL are required to avoid “conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in the National Football League.” This requirement applies to players, coaches, other team employees, owners, game officials and all others privileged to work in the National Football League.

For many years, it has been well understood that rules promoting lawful, ethical, and responsible conduct serve the interests of the League, its players, and fans. Illegal or irresponsible conduct does more than simply tarnish the offender. It puts innocent people at risk, sullies the reputation of others involved in the game, and undermines public respect and support for the NFL.

STANDARD OF CONDUCT

While criminal activity is clearly outside the scope of permissible conduct, and persons who engage in criminal activity will be subject to discipline, the standard of conduct for persons employed in the NFL is considerably higher. It is not enough simply to avoid being found guilty of a crime. Instead, as an employee of the NFL or a member club, you are held to a higher standard and expected to conduct yourself in a way that is responsible, promotes the values upon which the League is based, and is lawful. Persons who fail to live up to this standard of conduct are guilty of conduct detrimental and subject to discipline, even where the conduct itself does not result in conviction of a crime. Discipline may be imposed in any of the following circumstances:

Criminal offenses including, but not limited to, those involving:
The use or threat of violence; domestic violence and other forms of partner abuse; theft and other property crimes; sex offenses; obstruction or resisting arrest; disorderly conduct; fraud; racketeering; and money laundering;
Criminal offenses relating to steroids and prohibited substances, or substances of abuse;
Violent or threatening behavior among employees, whether in or outside the workplace;
Possession of a gun or other weapon in any workplace setting, including but not limited to stadiums, team facilities, training camp, locker rooms, team planes,
buses, parking lots, etc., or unlawful possession of a weapon outside of the workplace;
Conduct that imposes inherent danger to the safety and well being of another person; and
Conduct that undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL, NFL clubs, or NFL players.

EVALUATION, COUNSELING AND TREATMENT

Apart from any disciplinary action, persons arrested, charged or otherwise appearing to have engaged in conduct prohibited under this policy will be required to undergo a formal clinical evaluation. Based on the results of that evaluation, the person may be encouraged or required to participate in an education program, counseling or other treatment deemed appropriate by health professionals. The evaluation and any resulting counseling or treatment are designed to provide assistance and are not considered discipline; however, the failure to comply with this portion of the Policy shall itself constitute a separate and independent basis for discipline.

Discipline:

Upon learning of conduct that may give rise to discipline, the League will direct an investigation which may include interviews and information gathering from medical, law enforcement, and other relevant professionals. The League will promptly advise the NFLPA of any investigation of a player, as well as of the results of the investigation. As appropriate, the employee will also have the opportunity, represented by counsel and/or a union official, to address the conduct at issue. Upon conclusion of the investigation, the Commissioner will have full authority to impose discipline as warranted.

Discipline may take the form of fines, suspension, or banishment from the League and may include a probationary period and conditions that must be satisfied prior to or following reinstatement. The specifics of the disciplinary response will be based on the nature of the incident, the actual or threatened risk to the participant and others, any prior or additional misconduct (whether or not criminal charges were filed), and other relevant factors.

Unless the case involves significant bodily harm, a first offense will generally not result in discipline until there has been a disposition of the proceeding (or until the investigation is complete in the case of employee or workplace misconduct).

With respect to repeat offenders, the Commissioner may impose discipline on an expedited basis. In such cases, the timing and nature of the discipline will be determined by the Commissioner based on several factors including but not limited to: the severity of the initial charge and later charge; the facts underlying the later charge; the length of time between the initial offense and later charge; and the player or employee’s compliance with counseling and other programs. Following a full investigation and/or resolution of the proceedings, the Commissioner will review the matter and make any appropriate adjustments.

Hearing Rights:

Following the imposition of discipline, the affected person will have the right to appeal the decision. (For players, discipline imposed during the period beginning with the Hall of Fame Game and ending with the Pro Bowl must be appealed within ten (10) calendar days following the decision.) Persons filing an appeal shall be entitled to a prompt hearing pursuant to Article XI of the Collective Bargaining Agreement and the NFL Constitution and Bylaws, to be conducted by the Commissioner or his designee. In cases involving players, the NFLPA will be entitled to participate in the hearing.

Reinstatement:

Any person suspended indefinitely or for at least one year may seek reinstatement beginning one month prior to the one-year anniversary of the suspension. As part of his consideration of the application for reinstatement from a player, the Commissioner will seek the views of the NFLPA, Player Advisory Council, and may consult medical, law enforcement, and other relevant professionals.

Other Provisions:

Covered Persons: This policy applies to all players under contract; all coaches; all game officials; all full-time employees of the NFL, NFL clubs, and all NFL-related entities; all rookie players once they are selected in the NFL college draft; and all undrafted rookie players, unsigned veterans who were under contract in the prior League Year, and other prospective employees once they commence negotiations with a club concerning employment. Clubs are strongly encouraged to communicate this policy to independent contractors and consultants and to make clear that violations of this policy will be grounds for terminating a business relationship.

“Disposition of a Criminal Proceeding”-- includes an adjudication of guilt or admission to a criminal violation; a plea to a lesser included offense; a plea of nolo contendere or no contest; or the acceptance of a diversionary program, deferred adjudication, disposition of supervision, or similar arrangements.

“Probationary Period”-- Persons found to have violated this policy may be placed on a period of probation as determined by the Commissioner. During such period, restrictions on certain activities, limitations on participation in Club activities, or other conditions may be imposed.

Repeat Offenders:

Persons who have had previous violations of law or of this policy may be considered repeat offenders. When appropriate, conduct occurring prior to the person’s association with the League will be considered.

Reporting of Incidents -- The League must be advised promptly of any incident that may be a violation of this policy, and particularly when any conduct results in an arrest or other criminal charge. Players and club employees must report any such incident to the club, which must then report it to NFL Security. Failure to report an incident will constitute conduct detrimental and will be taken into consideration in making disciplinary determination under this policy. Clubs are also required to report incidents that come to their attention.

Assistance: Players and employees are encouraged to consult with their Player Development Directors or with the League’s Player and Employee Development Department to obtain access to educational, counseling, and other programs and resources that will help in avoiding misconduct that may result in discipline.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/ ... uct-policy (http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/21598/nfl-personal-conduct-policy)

:lol: The NFL even puts it in quotes because there is no true definition of what that ridiculous statement means! They do an excellent job explaining punishments and treatment options for that massive gray zone though...so I'll give them that.

feltdizz
06-28-2010, 09:32 PM
:lol:

If they don't like the gray areathey can look for work elsewhere. Obviously they like the benefits that come with the gray area.

I don't think it's gray though... Pretty much says stay out of the news and don't embarrass us.

NJ-STEELER
06-28-2010, 10:15 PM
If Ben doesn't owe anyone anything maybe you should let him know so he can stop wasting his time playing with kids at the camp and spend more time buying bitches shots :stirpot

He should go out and turn the Strip District into an actual strip district. Get back on the motorcycle and do a couple tricks... smoke some crack, beat a seal... phuck it.

Walk right up to Rooney and the commish and :moon

He doesn't owe anyone anything right? :wft

contracts usually have policies in place and most times there are gray areas inserted. I have no idea why a few people are taking pride in their ignorance :stirpot

You do it with every post.

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so true, LOL

RuthlessBurgher
06-29-2010, 10:20 AM
smoke some crack, beat a seal

I had to chuckle at this part. I could see Ben breaking into the Pittsburgh zoo, and a revenge for taking down his likeness and replacing it with Lemieux's, he scales a wall and ends up in the seal tank with a Louisville Slugger in one hand and a crack pipe in the other. :lol:

flippy
06-29-2010, 10:32 AM
smoke some crack, beat a seal

I had to chuckle at this part. I could see Ben breaking into the Pittsburgh zoo, and a revenge for taking down his likeness and replacing it with Lemieux's, he scales a wall and ends up in the seal tank with a Louisville Slugger in one hand and a crack pipe in the other. :lol:

I read fast and I thought he was saying "get high and sodomize a seal" when I first read it. :shock:


smoke some crack, beat a seal... phuck it.