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Flasteel
06-25-2010, 09:49 AM
Nice to see that not everyone is letting this garbage cloud their thinking.

Say what you want, Big Benís gotten it done and brought two Lombardi Trophies to the Steel City in six years as a pro. In í09, with the Steelersí run game all but nonexistent, the D in shambles and the O-line woeful, Big Ben threw for a career-high 4,328 yards and 26 TD passes. He was 9-6 as a starter. Off the field, he has his issues. But this list isnít judging ethics, morals or the law. Itís judging players and who youíd want on the field. If you ask me who I want leading my team down the field down four with two minutes left? You better believe Iím taking No. 7. Hell, in that situation? I might even take him over the three guys listed above him.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/lists/NFL- ... o=11350205 (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/lists/NFL-football-top-100-player-rankings-1-20#sport=NFL&photo=11350205)

flippy
06-25-2010, 09:56 AM
Troy should be higher than #14. I don't agree with 13 players or 5 defenders that are better. Troy belongs right after the top QBs. I'd have him at #4 on my list. #5 at worst.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/lists/NFL- ... o=11350208 (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/lists/NFL-football-top-100-player-rankings-1-20#sport=NFL&photo=11350208)

flippy
06-25-2010, 09:59 AM
Former DMVP at 41 seems a little low:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/lists/NFL- ... o=11345401 (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/lists/NFL-football-top-100-player-rankings-41-60#sport=NFL&photo=11345401)

flippy
06-25-2010, 10:00 AM
Steelers fans probably have this guy much higher. I'm sure he'll fly up the list and will start to be considered one of the best defenders in the league:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/lists/NFL- ... o=11345501 (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/lists/NFL-football-top-100-player-rankings-41-60#sport=NFL&photo=11345501)

flippy
06-25-2010, 10:03 AM
The final Steelers player:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/lists/NFL- ... o=11333721 (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/lists/NFL-football-top-100-player-rankings#sport=NFL&photo=11333721)

flippy
06-25-2010, 10:05 AM
I think Heath, Casey, and Aaron belong on the list.

Ike and Max could be on the list if more consistent. Sometimes they play like one of the best 100. Max has shut down some of the best like Jared Allen. And Ike's had his moments against some of the best WRs.

SteelAbility
06-25-2010, 10:14 AM
Ben at #4? Ridiculous. Everyone knows Leftwich is better. :roll: :P

SteelAbility
06-25-2010, 10:16 AM
Yeah, I'd love to have Manning leading my team the length of the field in a "must TD" situation in the final two minutes any day over Ben. :roll:

proudpittsburgher
06-25-2010, 12:29 PM
Yeah, I'd love to have Manning leading my team the length of the field in a "must TD" situation in the final two minutes any day over Ben. :roll:

As long as it's not in the playoffs, not in bad weather conditions, not with anyything less than pristinely perfect pocket and good offensive line blocking . . . then Manning's your guy. :)

fordfixer
06-25-2010, 02:24 PM
Ben at #4? Ridiculous. Everyone knows Leftwich is better. :roll: :P


Ben is there because he's white :roll:

feltdizz
06-25-2010, 02:57 PM
Ben at #4? Ridiculous. Everyone knows Leftwich is better. :roll: :P


Ben is there because he's white :roll:

:Cheers

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
06-25-2010, 09:56 PM
Actually....Ben was on the list at #3 last year. Looks like his off-field indiscretions have cost him one spot. :wink:

Or maybe it was because last year's SB winning QB jumped up a notch.

Captain Lemming
06-25-2010, 11:16 PM
I think Heath, Casey, and Aaron belong on the list.

I agree with you Flippy they belong on a list of 100. They are very good. But this shows how huge the gap is between "Steeler biased" thinking and unbiased observation.

John Mitchell was out of his mind in saying:
"There's never been a better defensive front in the National Football League," said Mitchell, the Steelers' defensive line coach since 1994.

This is the best DLine EVER, and not ONE PLAYER MADE THIS LIST.

Let me be clear, the list SHOULD include these guys (toward the bottom), but if this is the "best line of all time" you should have a couple in the top twenty on a list of only current players.

You cannot be the best line in history, have the visibility of being in two SBs, and be so invisible that commentators overlook your entire unit on a list of 100.

flippy
06-26-2010, 12:15 AM
You win Captain Lemming. I know I had a losing argument all along. I still think we've got the best 3-4 ever :D Here's some Flippy-aide for you :Cheers

In my all time Steelers list I have Joe Greene either 3 or 4 behind Ben, Bradshaw, and maybe Troy (I'm still waiting to see how his total career plays out)

Aaron Smith and Casey Hampton are probably somewhere in the 8-12 range on my list of all time Steeler greats. Eh, what the heck, here's my all time Steelers list (subject to change daily based on my mood)

1. Ben
2. Terry
3. Troy
4. Joe Greene
5. Mel Blount
6. Jack Ham
7. Jack Lambert
8. Dirt
9. Woodson
10. Swann
11. Casey
12. Smith
13. Ward
14. Stallworth
15. Franco
16. LC
17. Stautner
18. Harrison
19. Lloyd
20. Woodley

This is hard. It's tough to put current guys on the list. It feels like Harrison had the greatest LB season but I dunno about how his career will stand up. I also though Ernie Holmes was as good as if not better than Greene for a couple seasons, but didn't have the career.

There's a lot of guys I left out - Webby, Shell, Holmes, Bleier, Russell, Lake, White, Farrior, Kirk, Porter, Brown. And even though I feel good about my top 10, I can't believe I left the guys from 11-20 out of the top 10.

This is just hard to rate guys.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
06-26-2010, 06:15 PM
... Eh, what the heck, here's my all time Steelers list (subject to change daily based on my mood)

1. Ben
2. Terry
3. Troy
4. Joe Greene
5. Mel Blount
6. Jack Ham
7. Jack Lambert
8. Dirt
9. Woodson
10. Swann
11. Casey
12. Smith
13. Ward
14. Stallworth
15. Franco
16. LC
17. Stautner
18. Harrison
19. Lloyd
20. Woodley

This is hard. It's tough to put current guys on the list. It feels like Harrison had the greatest LB season but I dunno about how his career will stand up. I also though Ernie Holmes was as good as if not better than Greene for a couple seasons, but didn't have the career.

There's a lot of guys I left out - Webby, Shell, Holmes, Bleier, Russell, Lake, White, Farrior, Kirk, Porter, Brown. And even though I feel good about my top 10, I can't believe I left the guys from 11-20 out of the top 10.

This is just hard to rate guys.

B > T ... that's a tough one ... I think on balance I'd have Terry #1, at this time. If Ben stopped playing as of today would you list them that way, Flip, or are you anticipating an excellent rest of career to make that ranking?

feltdizz
06-26-2010, 10:26 PM
Ben is not in front of Terry but he is well on his way.

I still would have to put Lambert, Greene and most of the D on the list ahead of those 2.

Our D is what made us a feared unit and set the tone for our run in the 70's IMO.

flippy
06-27-2010, 08:09 AM
B > T ... that's a tough one ... I think on balance I'd have Terry #1, at this time. If Ben stopped playing as of today would you list them that way, Flip, or are you anticipating an excellent rest of career to make that ranking?

Yes, I anticipate Ben will continue as he's started his career. And I give him the edge because Terry wasn't great immediately like Ben.

I'd be mixed if Ben stopped playing right now. I'd probably have to drop him down. But I wouldn't want to. I really believe Ben is a better QB and his rookie season, his playoff record, XL run on the road, and the entire 2008 season including XLIII makes a strong case. But I'd give Terry the slight edge because of the SuperBowls.

flippy
06-27-2010, 08:11 AM
Ben is not in front of Terry but he is well on his way.

I still would have to put Lambert, Greene and most of the D on the list ahead of those 2.

Our D is what made us a feared unit and set the tone for our run in the 70's IMO.

Greg Lloyd made us feared, but as good as he was, never won a SuperBowl. QBs win SuperBowls, so I see a big gap between Terry/Ben and the other players.