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hawaiiansteel
06-25-2010, 02:07 AM
Seventh Heaven in 2010?

by RickVa on Jun 24, 2010


Factors that could contribute to a championship run this season:



The Pittsburgh Steelers have already been written off as championship contenders for the 2010 season. This is promising news. If you have been following this franchise for a while you know that the Black and Gold have not been particularly good front runners over the past few decades, with the 2009 season being only the latest example of how high expectations usually lead to disappointment. hat follows is summary of the conditions that could lead to that seventh Lombardi Trophy this year.


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Isnít it a bit early, you may ask, to be addressing such concerns? It is more than a month before training camp begins. Well, from my perspective, thatís the challenge. Iíve been busy working on a contribution to the MSP Annual (an interview with four time SB champion Randy Grossman. Hope you like it.), but watching the events of the winter and spring with great interest. Iím not making any concrete predictions here. Someone could step in a hole on the first day of camp and change the trajectory of the entire season. What Iím aiming for is to illuminate a set of conditions that can be tracked throughout the season (argued and debated every step of the way) and could, if enough of them fall the right way lead to a championship run. Surprisingly little has to go right in order to be successful and, conversely, surprisingly little has to go wrong in order to fail. When speaking of the success of the Steelers teams of the Ď70s Randy Grossman stated that you have to be good, but you have to be lucky too. But before moving forward, a couple of disclaimers.

Injuries. It is unrealistic that in todayís NFL that any team can escape injuries. And I agree with Coach Tomlin that injuries should not change the expectations or goals of the team. We can hope, however, that what injuries do come happen sooner rather than later in the season, are not of the catastrophic variety (season or career ending) and touch lightly if at all on certain key positions.

Distractions. Particularly important this year, letís hope we have already peaked in the knucklehead department for this season. No police blotter stuff, no failed substance abuse tests, no psychological or emotional breakdowns, no silly behavior over money, contracts or roles on the team. Unlike injuries these are avoidable. Letís hope that no one becomes what Tomlin likes to refer to as Ďthe Guyí, beyond our current problems.

The Chip. Saw a report on the NFL Network recently about the AFC North. All the talk was about how much the Cincinnati Bengals had improved and whether they could hold off the Ravens for the division title. Pittsburgh wasnít even mentioned. Now, talk is that this is only reasonable given the Roethlisberger suspension and the release of Holmes. Iím prepared to argue otherwise a little further down. In the meantime, the pundits and others in the media are singing the praises of the Titans, Colts, Chargers, Dolphins, Patriots (always), and the new ĎItí team, the Jets. [AFC] And in the other conference the defending champion Saints, Vikings, Bears, Falcons, 49ers, Packers and Cowboys (always) will be spoken of as Super Bowl contenders.

Returning to the AFC North I have also heard much about Flacco and Palmer, Boldin and Ocho Cinco, Rice and Benson, and the ďagelessĒ Ray Lewis. (When a Steeler reaches age 30 he has one foot in the grave, while the Ray Lewisí of the world become Ďagelessí. This is not just a problem with the punditry. Iíve heard a lot of that from the BTSC crowd as well.). Now we all have egos like the next guy and would love to hear someone sing the praises of the Black and Gold. But if you have been a Steelers fan for any length of time youíll realize that there is nothing particularly unusual in whatís going on. It is savvy marketing to provide hope in order to attract the casual fan to the game. A casual Steelers fan is something of an oxymoron. Weíre going to show up regardless, so we are not catered to.

The really good news is that somewhere Hines Ward is seething. One of the things that elite athletes are pretty good at is to take real and imagined slights and through a process of psychological alchemy transform them into outrageous acts of disrespect. The really great thing about this is that the slight doesnít have to be real or rational. It makes total sense to suggest that losing your starting quarterback for up to six weeks should significantly weaken a teamís chances for a championship. To suggest otherwise; that would be disrespectful. Nonetheless, count on the Steelers being a very angry football team come Labor Day. There are too many people on that roster with Super Bowl rings (including newcomer Wil Allen ); too many with multiple Super Bowl rings for them to not be in a major league snit in being consigned to the middle of the pack among contenders. Much of the psychological fuel necessary for a successful run will come from this factor alone. The challenge for us fans is to bite our tongues and enjoy that ride under the radar until a couple of weeks or so after Ben returns to the team.

The Quarterback Corps. No team in football is better suited to successfully ride out the early season handicap of Benís suspension than Pittsburgh. For a handful of NFL teams, such as Buffalo, the addition of a Charlie Batch would either improve their quarterback situation or would maintain the status quo. And Batch is our #4 guy and likely the odd man out. Unlike teams like New England or Indianapolis where the #1 guy may be backed up with a stiff, or a committee of stiffs, two of our guys have been starters elsewhere, and in the case of Leftwich, with playoff caliber teams; while Dixon is merely a former Heisman contender in college with a huge upside. Therefore, it is not just whistling past the graveyard bravado to parrot Tomlin and suggest that the expectations should not change just because Ben wonít be around those first set of games.

In addition, though Ben is clearly the best of the bunch, there are certain specific aspects of their games where both Leftwich and Dixon are better than Ben. I believe for example that Byron has a stronger arm than Ben, and might be able to connect more effectively with Mike Wallace on the deep ball. On the other hand, Dixonís mobility and speed is such that if he so chooses once he escapes the pocket he is a threat to score ala Michael Vick. Like many in Steelers Nation I was rooting for Dixon to be handed the starterís job throughout the spring. Having thought it through a bit more I think the smart move is to give the job to Leftwich. Byron is an accomplished veteran, as familiar with the system as Dixon, well liked and respected by his teammates. In looking at the early schedule he is far more familiar than Dixon with Tennessee, a divisional opponent whom he played against twice a year when he was with Jacksonville, and he just finished a one year tenure at Tampa Bay. The situation involves less risk and pressure for Byron, and he is clearly more experienced, not just in the overall sense, but also against two of the opponents that he would face.

His one major liability, lack of mobility (and perhaps a slow release) could be compensated for with a robust running attack, if they have the imagination and nerve, a package of plays where Dennis could be utilized ala Wildcat as a decoy or a weapon. The case for Dennis is strong and I would be just as pleased if he were on the field instead. In either case a .500 record or better over the course of Benís suspension is not just reasonable, but should be expected given the talent. In any case Benís absence in and of itself is insufficient cause to write off the Steelers. Now if itís a maximum suspension based upon Benís inability to get his act together, well thatís another story; a distraction. The only downside here is that itís unlikely that they will be able to keep all four. Smart money is that it will be Batch, a real shame given his popularity and leadership valued by players, management and fans alike.

Tomlin. There are stories surfacing that there might be some hesitation concerning getting a deal done on a contract extension and all the intrigue that can be associated with hesitation. As others have mentioned on the site, Iím not sure I buy into the notion that there is some problem between Tomlin and the front office. Seems more like the wishful thinking of journalists that have over a month of empty space to fill in the sports section than a real issue. However, if true, then that certainly qualifies as a distraction that could have a negative impact on team performance. It is also possible that what is being reflected in the process is a tangible difference between how Art II handles things and how they were handled by his father. And, quite frankly, what better time to address the issue than the quiet time between now and camp.

Leadership. Two of last yearís team captains were Ben Roethlisberger and Jeff Reed. Think about that for a moment. Team captains. You would hope that team captains would manage to stay off the police blotter, or at least do so less often than other members of the team. Fortunately, leadership can reside in more places than in positions such as captain of the team. And one area where Pittsburgh may be as deep as any team in the league is in the area of leadership. Letís talk first about the ring bearers. There are 40 on the current roster that have been part of at least one championship team (that includes Wil Allen who won a Lombardi with Tampa Bay). Almost half of that number have two rings. Half of the training camp roster will have been to Promised Land. They know what it takes and wonít be satisfied with anything less. Then there are the returning veterans Larry Foote and Antwan Randle El. Foote is a talkative type who can help Farrior and Harrison ride herd over the linebackers and the rest of the defense in the locker room. Randle El, an ex-quarterback in both resume and temperament has already demonstrated leadership in that he stepped up and met with reporters during spring drills to address the touchy subject of Ben Roethlisberger. You would think that he didnít have to do that considering that he had just returned to the team. It would have been much easier to simply beg off in that regard. The fact that he didnít speaks volumes to me. He can be counted on to complement and support Hines Ward with the receivers and the offense in general.

Both players bring additional experience having served in Detroit and Washington respectively, two hell hole football cultures that certainly enhanced their appreciation of Pittsburgh and the opportunities still present here. With Ben completely separated from the team for a month to six weeks expect both Byron and Charlie to step up and be much more assertive in team leadership. Expect a lot from Charlie, for as long as he is around, because besides on field leadership Batch is the union rep for the team and negotiations for the new CBA will be ongoing. Another reason to miss him when heís gone. Quiet leadership can also be expected from Keyaron Fox, Aaron Smith, Troy Polamalu, Max Starks, Casey Hampton and Ryan Clark. Wil Allen was a special teams captain with the Buccaneers. Altogether you have a team that is mature, tested and hungry. Even with the current troubles you would be hard pressed to think of another team that is this stable and has as great a reservoir of experience, talent and temperament to make a championship run.


The Third Leg. By that I mean the third leg of the stool. How will special teams measure up relative to the offense and defense? What will new assistant coach Al Everest bring to the table? What I find promising is that he has been doing this for a long time so heís not just passing through paying dues on his way to other things. And if he sucked at this we would have known it by now. While the O and D took their share of knocks for last yearís disappointing season, special teams played a huge role in that failure. The good news is that there exists a solid foundation in the persons of kicker Jeff Reed and punter Daniel Sepulveda. Stefan Logan disappointed by not reminding anyone of Josh Cribbs or Devon Hester, but his performance was solid if not spectacular. The bar should certainly be set higher this year and despite the loss of Santonio Holmes there are plenty of candidates that show some promise of generating touchdowns through STs. As mentioned previously, as a former special teams captain it is hoped that Allen embraces a similar role as his ticket not just on to the roster but to a position of leadership as well. Hopefully Coach Everest will be able to inject the fundamentals and the necessary esprit to keep other teams from gouging and gashing their way to cheap points or favorable field position. Boringly obvious, I know, but absolutely essential.

Offensive Line. I was told once that sometimes things have to change a great deal before even a portion of that change will be noticed. For years we have been accustomed to seeing the O-line as an area of weakness. They have been blamed for both an anemic running game and the high number of sacks that Ben has had to endure. Upon closer examination we find a more complicated story. Few offensive lines are very effective after five seconds. Ben himself has acknowledged that his stubbornness has as much to do with the sack totals as anything. The issues with the running game have as much to do with lack of commitment as anything.

So what will be the state of the offensive line this season? More specifically, will it be good enough to do its part in sustaining a championship run? The hysteria in the BTSC community over the alleged incompetence of Max Starks has evaporated since he was permanently installed in the critical left tackle position. His performance has been steady and he has emerged as a leader of this crew. Kemoeatu has been steadily coming along and is beginning to be recognized as one of the better guards around. Colon, another who has endured significant criticism in BTSC circles, is also seen as solid by more knowledgeable people than I. Hartwig is okay, but noises are being made that Pouncey is functioning at a level way in advance of expectations and could challenge for the center position immediately. This would be extraordinarily good news; not just for the short term, but might signal that the next great Steelers center in the mold of Webster or Dawson may be at hand. In any case, the addition of Pouncey at right guard or center is likely to result in an immediate strengthening of the O-line.

Depth and competition will be provided by a maturing Foster, Essex, Urbik, Hills and hopefully, newcomer Scott may contribute as well. With Coach Z gone (donít have him to kick around anymore) and some new leadership this will be an exciting time. This group should be watched carefully.

Timmons (once again). Last year was supposed to be the breakout for Lawrence Timmons. That expectation was probably part of the reason that Larry Foote fled to Detroit. Timmons didnít bomb, he played through an ankle injury that curtailed his effectiveness. Potentially the most talented and explosive of the teamís linebackers, the possibility of a breakthrough is still very much in play. Such a development could have a powerful impact upon the defense, particularly pass defense. Timmons fully actualized could be just as difficult to handle as Troy, effective in both rushing and coverage he would have to be accounted for every play. Much was made of the absence of Troy and Aaron Smith, but Timmons ineffectiveness was also a factor in last years defense (and, perhaps, a factor in the perceived degradation of James Farriorís play). A lot of people have assumed that the return of Foote was in response to a declining Farrior. It may be that he is an insurance policy against the ineffectiveness of Farrior or Timmons. Depth is a wonderful thing.

Mike Wallace. Santonio Holmes will certainly be missed on the field, but his loss does help to solve the problem of how to get more exposure for the emerging Mike Wallace. Wallace is hardly a finished project yet, but in his rookie season he quickly outpaced team and fan expectations. His development will certainly be accelerated with full time play in the offense. Hines Ward, when asked by the NFL Network, opined that he was expecting a big breakout year for Wallace. The loss of Holmes is another reason that the Steelers have been written off this year. I donít subscribe to the notion that there will be a serious falloff in the receiving corps this year, unless it is related to unforeseen injury. Randle El was not properly utilized by the Redskins, he could be very effective the second time around. The feedback on rookies Sanders and Brown has been very positive. Maybe one could be this yearís Wallace. It makes you wonder what sort of traffic jam would have occurred if Tone hadnít been released and Sweed was healthy. I argue against any significant decline in the passing game beyond any discontinuity associated with the suspension of Ben and reemphasis on the running game. Letís also remember that if we had kept Tone, he would lost for a time to suspension as well, plus the likelihood of more distractions from his disorganized life.

The other running back. This should be Rashardís best year yet. But a first class running attack requires more; not just situational substitutes, but a change of pace back who can also carry the full weight of the running game in the case of injury. Dwyer, Redman and Summers are the most likely candidates at the moment. My preference at the moment is for Dwyer but I wouldnít be too disappointed if one of the others really stepped up and showed out. Until then the running game hangs by the thread of Mendenhallís continued good health and effectiveness. Thatís just too thin.

Ben. If I had been dealt Benís hand when I was his age I might have been an ******* too. The difference between Ben and a lot of elite quarterbacks is that they all had some humbling, grounding experiences before they experienced the bright lights of stardom and the accompanying distortions of reality. The only other exception I can think of isÖMichael Vick. Hmmm. So Ben is fortunate that heís had this little intervention before he ended up in Leavenworth (or some equivalent). The guess here is that he will land on his feet and be both a better person and athlete for the experience. If Iím right I donít think you would want to play Pittsburgh this coming December. Talk about a chip! Success is the best revenge they say. All the laughing stops if he wins another Super Bowl. Donít think for a minute that this hasnít already been discussed in the Roethlisberger camp and within the team. I guess that could construed as cynical. I donít see it that way. The culture surrounding celebrities and particularly athletes is about as hypocritical as it gets. Let me get off the soapbox before I am fully on it.

The Window. Long time denizens of BTSC remember threads where there was general agreement that the 2010-11 time frame was the prime window of opportunity for the Steelers. Ben, Troy, Heath and Ike would be in their prime, Hines, Snack, Smith, Farrior and the rest of the over 30 crowd would still have enough tread on the tires to perform at a high level and the front office would keep the new talent coming. It made sense then, it makes sense now. As they realize that there arenít that many bites of the apple left the older players in particular (and the young ones who realize that they need help) will be acting with increasing desperation. No one knows if theyíll even be a season next year. If so it could a half dozen years or more before an opportunity of this quality presents itself again. Decades can pass between Super Bowl opportunities. It continues to be a credit to the organization that we can delude ourselves into thinking that we can go nearly every year.

The Competition. It wonít be easy. The Bengals, Ravens and Browns have all improved. The AFC North may well be the toughest division in football this year. They realize too that this is likely to be the last year under the current set of rules governing issues such as free agency. And that next season is not guaranteed. This is it folks. There will be a future but it is hardly foreseeable at this particular juncture. I think we may be in for one helluva run.

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Chucktownsteeler
06-25-2010, 06:55 AM
Nice read, thanks for sharing.

Chucktown

Shawn
06-25-2010, 10:11 AM
Great read.

A few things I would like to add.

I think some may overlook the fact that while it will hurt us early to have Ben out. Later in the season Ben will have absorbed less punishment and should be fresher for a possible playoff run. I'm also a big believer in Ben's ability to absorb criticism and use adversity to better himself as a player. I think Ben will have something to prove when he comes back this season.

The absence of Ben will make the Steelers focus more on the running game. We have a running back with all pro ability. We can use this opportunity to work out the problems in our running game. While I'm not a proponent of run to set up the pass when you have a franchise QB...I am a HUGE fan of balance. We lacked balance last season and that was never more evident when we needed to ride out a lead or gain a crucial third and short.

flippy
06-25-2010, 10:27 AM
Great read.

A few things I would like to add.

I think some may overlook the fact that while it will hurt us early to have Ben out. Later in the season Ben will have absorbed less punishment and should be fresher for a possible playoff run. I'm also a big believer in Ben's ability to absorb criticism and use adversity to better himself as a player. I think Ben will have something to prove when he comes back this season.

The absence of Ben will make the Steelers focus more on the running game. We have a running back with all pro ability. We can use this opportunity to work out the problems in our running game. While I'm not a proponent of run to set up the pass when you have a franchise QB...I am a HUGE fan of balance. We lacked balance last season and that was never more evident when we needed to ride out a lead or gain a crucial third and short.

I think it could end up being good too. I'm excited to see what Koogs and Pouncey can add to the running game and the offense.

Shawn
06-25-2010, 10:46 AM
Great read.

A few things I would like to add.

I think some may overlook the fact that while it will hurt us early to have Ben out. Later in the season Ben will have absorbed less punishment and should be fresher for a possible playoff run. I'm also a big believer in Ben's ability to absorb criticism and use adversity to better himself as a player. I think Ben will have something to prove when he comes back this season.

The absence of Ben will make the Steelers focus more on the running game. We have a running back with all pro ability. We can use this opportunity to work out the problems in our running game. While I'm not a proponent of run to set up the pass when you have a franchise QB...I am a HUGE fan of balance. We lacked balance last season and that was never more evident when we needed to ride out a lead or gain a crucial third and short.

I think it could end up being good too. I'm excited to see what Koogs and Pouncey can add to the running game and the offense.

I think the addition of Pouncey could be huge...even in his rookie season. He might even be more pro ready than Faneca was when he entered the league.

Crash
06-25-2010, 11:01 AM
Wallace leads the league in YPC and somehow Ben's deep ball is a problem.

ramblinjim
06-25-2010, 11:16 AM
And one of the things in the NFL that you cannot count on is the fact that you just don't know who is going to be a lot better this year than they were last year and who was pretty good last year that will stink this year.

I think if we come out of our first six games 3-3 we'll be alright going into our final 10 games.

birtikidis
06-25-2010, 01:59 PM
Wallace leads the league in YPC and somehow Ben's deep ball is a problem.
I do have a problem with Ben's deep ball.
How many times did Wallace have to practically stop to catch it?
it's his only weakness, but I don't think it's because he doesn't have a strong arm...
i think it's because he throws the ball a half second later than he should.

Chucktownsteeler
06-25-2010, 05:36 PM
Great read.

A few things I would like to add.

I think some may overlook the fact that while it will hurt us early to have Ben out. Later in the season Ben will have absorbed less punishment and should be fresher for a possible playoff run. I'm also a big believer in Ben's ability to absorb criticism and use adversity to better himself as a player. I think Ben will have something to prove when he comes back this season.

The absence of Ben will make the Steelers focus more on the running game. We have a running back with all pro ability. We can use this opportunity to work out the problems in our running game. While I'm not a proponent of run to set up the pass when you have a franchise QB...I am a HUGE fan of balance. We lacked balance last season and that was never more evident when we needed to ride out a lead or gain a crucial third and short.

I think it could end up being good too. I'm excited to see what Koogs and Pouncey can add to the running game and the offense.


I'd like to see what Urbik can do. The new line coach (Koogs) is going to shake some things up. Last couple of years was "good old boy" club for the OL.

Give them hell, Koogs.

Chucktown

Sugar
06-25-2010, 06:15 PM
There is a lot positive here. The article makes me a little nervous though when looking at our RB situation. Mendy is good, but still only the 3rd best back in the AFCN. Our backup situation could be great if Dwyer is as great as some have said, but if he busts we are pretty much depending on Moore- a great role player for sure, but not exactly confidence inspiring.

Shawn
06-25-2010, 06:27 PM
There is a lot positive here. The article makes me a little nervous though when looking at our RB situation. Mendy is good, but still only the 3rd best back in the AFCN. Our backup situation could be great if Dwyer is as great as some have said, but if he busts we are pretty much depending on Moore- a great role player for sure, but not exactly confidence inspiring.


I would take Mendy over Bensen any day of the week.

flippy
06-25-2010, 06:49 PM
Mendy can be the best back in the AFCN. Heck he's got the skills to be the best back in the league.

He's got a combo of everything you want in a #1 back. We just have to start using him and the OLine has to play better.

Moore is a great all around back so we'll be fine if he and Mendy stay healthy.

Redman is a natural runner. He was out of shape last year and he's apparently fixed that. So I expect big things from him.

Then there's the rookie. And if he's good, we've got 4 solid backs right there. We might have more depth at RB than anybody.

Crash
06-25-2010, 08:48 PM
I do have a problem with Ben's deep ball.
How many times did Wallace have to practically stop to catch it?

Not as many as you think.

Ben's deep ball ranks among the league's best the past 6 years.

Shawn
06-25-2010, 08:54 PM
I do have a problem with Ben's deep ball.
How many times did Wallace have to practically stop to catch it?

Not as many as you think.

Ben's deep ball ranks among the league's best the past 6 years.

Ben's YPP average has been one of the best since entering the league. People tend to remember the big misses and forget the big TDs. It's the nature of memory. There is nothing wrong with Ben's deep ball.

stlrz d
06-25-2010, 09:44 PM
Wallace leads the league in YPC and somehow Ben's deep ball is a problem.
I do have a problem with Ben's deep ball.
How many times did Wallace have to practically stop to catch it?
it's his only weakness, but I don't think it's because he doesn't have a strong arm...
i think it's because he throws the ball a half second later than he should.

That's a timing issue, not a deep ball issue.

flippy
06-26-2010, 12:28 AM
I do have a problem with Ben's deep ball.
How many times did Wallace have to practically stop to catch it?

Not as many as you think.

Ben's deep ball ranks among the league's best the past 6 years.

Ben's YPP average has been one of the best since entering the league. People tend to remember the big misses and forget the big TDs. It's the nature of memory. There is nothing wrong with Ben's deep ball.

Gotta admit, I'm guilty of bad memory here too.

From what I recall, I see Ben miss on the really long throws of 40-45+ yards.

But Ben's the best in the 15-40 yard range when he can put the ball on a rope.

I have this feeling that Brady, Peyton, Brees are much more accurate on the 40+ yard throws. Heck even Kerry Collins throws a great deep ball.

Are there any stats on this sort of thing?

The other reason I think we may be mislead is we only see Brady, Peyton, Brees, and others highlights while we see every one of Ben's throws so we see Ben's misses too.

Also I realize a lot of the underthrows are on purpose, so I'm not taking that type of throw away from Ben. I'm just talking about the long go route where you hit the receiver in stride deep.

Shawn
06-26-2010, 02:58 AM
Yeah...I'm fairly sure they keep stats on that. I will need to check my sites when I get home...I have em linked on my home pc. This would be very interesting. I think though they just do total number.

stlrz d
06-26-2010, 07:39 AM
I do have a problem with Ben's deep ball.
How many times did Wallace have to practically stop to catch it?

Not as many as you think.

Ben's deep ball ranks among the league's best the past 6 years.

Ben's YPP average has been one of the best since entering the league. People tend to remember the big misses and forget the big TDs. It's the nature of memory. There is nothing wrong with Ben's deep ball.

Gotta admit, I'm guilty of bad memory here too.

From what I recall, I see Ben miss on the really long throws of 40-45+ yards.

But Ben's the best in the 15-40 yard range when he can put the ball on a rope.

I have this feeling that Brady, Peyton, Brees are much more accurate on the 40+ yard throws. Heck even Kerry Collins throws a great deep ball.

Are there any stats on this sort of thing?

The other reason I think we may be mislead is we only see Brady, Peyton, Brees, and others highlights while we see every one of Ben's throws so we see Ben's misses too.

Also I realize a lot of the underthrows are on purpose, so I'm not taking that type of throw away from Ben. I'm just talking about the long go route where you hit the receiver in stride deep.

Again, that's a timing issue. Ben waits until the receiver is WFO before he throws it. His arm strength is fine. His accuracy is fine. It's the timing that needs work. He has to trust the WR to clear the DB, not wait for it to happen before throwing the ball. The other QBs you listed throw the ball early enough to hit their guys in stride. That's why it looks like they have a "better" deep ball. Really what they have is trust and timing.

Sugar
06-26-2010, 02:41 PM
Again, that's a timing issue. Ben waits until the receiver is WFO before he throws it. His arm strength is fine. His accuracy is fine. It's the timing that needs work. He has to trust the WR to clear the DB, not wait for it to happen before throwing the ball. The other QBs you listed throw the ball early enough to hit their guys in stride. That's why it looks like they have a "better" deep ball. Really what they have is trust and timing.

Is it possible that Ben hadn't yet developed that "trust and timing" with the rookie last year? I'm thinking he was aware of what Hines, Heath, Holmes, etc were able to do but had to adjust to the speed of the young Wallace.

birtikidis
06-26-2010, 05:17 PM
Again, that's a timing issue. Ben waits until the receiver is WFO before he throws it. His arm strength is fine. His accuracy is fine. It's the timing that needs work. He has to trust the WR to clear the DB, not wait for it to happen before throwing the ball. The other QBs you listed throw the ball early enough to hit their guys in stride. That's why it looks like they have a "better" deep ball. Really what they have is trust and timing.

Is it possible that Ben hadn't yet developed that "trust and timing" with the rookie last year? I'm thinking he was aware of what Hines, Heath, Holmes, etc were able to do but had to adjust to the speed of the young Wallace.
He did the same thing with Nate.
Stlrzd i agree it's a timing issue. if you look at the sentence BEFORE the one you highlighted I said something to the effect that it's not his deep ball that's the problem. i was talking about his timing.. guess i coulda been a little more direct in my wording.

feltdizz
06-26-2010, 05:44 PM
Ben needs to fix the timing on his deep ball but there is nothing wrong with it? :roll:

If it ain't right... it's wrong.

feltdizz
06-26-2010, 05:48 PM
Wallace leads the league in YPC and somehow Ben's deep ball is a problem.
I do have a problem with Ben's deep ball.
How many times did Wallace have to practically stop to catch it?
it's his only weakness, but I don't think it's because he doesn't have a strong arm...
i think it's because he throws the ball a half second later than he should.

That's a timing issue, not a deep ball issue.

It's a deep ball issue if it isn't being completed.

stlrz d
06-26-2010, 10:29 PM
Again, that's a timing issue. Ben waits until the receiver is WFO before he throws it. His arm strength is fine. His accuracy is fine. It's the timing that needs work. He has to trust the WR to clear the DB, not wait for it to happen before throwing the ball. The other QBs you listed throw the ball early enough to hit their guys in stride. That's why it looks like they have a "better" deep ball. Really what they have is trust and timing.

Is it possible that Ben hadn't yet developed that "trust and timing" with the rookie last year? I'm thinking he was aware of what Hines, Heath, Holmes, etc were able to do but had to adjust to the speed of the young Wallace.
He did the same thing with Nate.
Stlrzd i agree it's a timing issue. if you look at the sentence BEFORE the one you highlighted I said something to the effect that it's not his deep ball that's the problem. i was talking about his timing.. guess i coulda been a little more direct in my wording.

I was, for the most part, agreeing with you...but I was making a distinction between a deep ball issue and a timing issue. There is a difference between a timing issue and a deep ball issue, as some here (who shall remain nameless) can't seem to comprehend. A deep ball issue is an inability to get the ball deep, an inability to throw a tight spiral, an accuracy issue, etc. Ben doesn't have those issues. Those passes he's airing out to Wallace are easily traveling 50+ yards through the air, have tight spirals and are on line...but they're thrown late.

And yes Sugar, it is possible that Ben just wasn't used to the kind of speed Wallace possesses. But as birt pointed out, Ben seemed to have those issues with Nate too. Not always though.

feltdizz
06-26-2010, 10:32 PM
we all know he can throw it deep but if the deep ball ain't on time it's an issue...
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