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fordfixer
06-10-2010, 01:50 AM
Why won't Steelers extend Tomlin?

By Bob Smizik | Thursday, 12:15 a.m.
http://community.post-gazette.com/blogs ... fault.aspx (http://community.post-gazette.com/blogs/bobsmizik/default.aspx)

Are the Steelers unhappy with the job performance of Super Bowl-winning coach Mike Tomlin?

Strange as that might seen, it appears to be the case.

Historically, the Steelers have extended their coach when there were two years remaining on his contract. That is where Tomlin stands with his original contract with the Steelers. Yet there is little or no movement towards extending Tomlin, whose team failed to make the playoffs last season after winning the Super Bowl the previous year.

In his weekly chat at post-gazette.com Tuesday, Ed Bouchette shed some light on what was going on.

When Bouchette was asked if the team president Art Rooney was waiting to see how the upcoming season goes, Bouchette answered, ``There is no talk of any talks going on and the longer it lingers, the less likely it wMike Tomlinill get done.’’

A subsequent questioner mentioned the lack of negotiations and asked, `` Most people think that is because the Steelers are resistant to extending the deal, however, could it be that Tomlin's salary demands are too high?’’

Bouchette’s response was revealing. ``I don’t think the conversation has gotten anywhere near salary.’’

And, finally, this question: ``Which is more likely the CBA getting extended or Tomlin getting a new deal?’’

To which, Bouchette answered, ``I think we'll hit 2011 before either happens.’’

I’m not suggesting Bouchette as omnipotent in these matters, but his handle among the media is as good as any and better than almost, if not, all.

So what’s the problem? Why have the Steelers resisted extending a coach, who, if he were on the open market, would have suitors galore?

A hint of what the problem is might have come out when Santonio Holmes was traded. In some of the reporting of that trade, it was revealed that Holmes had been late for team meetings. Note the plural. How is it that a player is late for more than one meeting? Who does Holmes think he is? Plaxico Burress?

I was shocked when I read that Holmes had been tardy. I know it happens, but to happen multiple times on the Steelers -- where the coach knows ownership always has his back -- could be considered the sign of a team with discipline that is too lax.

I further learned, and this is hard to believe but it comes from a good source, that players were showing up late for flights. And Tomlin was accommodating their tardiness by holding the plane.

If that’s the kind of ship Tomlin is running, it’s perfectly understandable Rooney is hesitant to extend his contract.

In the aftermath of the recent disappointing season, where the Steelers too often relied on the passing of Ben Roethlisberger, Rooney let it be known he wanted to see a more efficient running game next season.

Maybe that’s not the only thing Rooney wants to see next season. Maybe he wants to see a coach more firmly in control of his team. That could have been, in part, the reason for trading Holmes. If Holmes were a flagrant rule-breaker, Rooney assisted Tomlin in re-establishing discipline by removing the problem from the team.

The last thing the Steelers want to do is not rehire Tomlin. No team in sports understand the importance of continuity. The Steelers, in fact, has shown the sporting world the importance of continuity. Tomlin has the makings of an excellent coach and the Steelers would love to have him here for decades.

But not if he can’t establish discipline on his own team.

LordVile
06-10-2010, 03:54 AM
Why won't Steelers extend Tomlin?

By Bob Smizik | Thursday, 12:15 a.m.
http://community.post-gazette.com/blogs ... fault.aspx (http://community.post-gazette.com/blogs/bobsmizik/default.aspx)

Are the Steelers unhappy with the job performance of Super Bowl-winning coach Mike Tomlin?

Strange as that might seen, it appears to be the case.

Historically, the Steelers have extended their coach when there were two years remaining on his contract. That is where Tomlin stands with his original contract with the Steelers. Yet there is little or no movement towards extending Tomlin, whose team failed to make the playoffs last season after winning the Super Bowl the previous year.

In his weekly chat at post-gazette.com Tuesday, Ed Bouchette shed some light on what was going on.

When Bouchette was asked if the team president Art Rooney was waiting to see how the upcoming season goes, Bouchette answered, ``There is no talk of any talks going on and the longer it lingers, the less likely it wMike Tomlinill get done.’’

A subsequent questioner mentioned the lack of negotiations and asked, `` Most people think that is because the Steelers are resistant to extending the deal, however, could it be that Tomlin's salary demands are too high?’’

Bouchette’s response was revealing. ``I don’t think the conversation has gotten anywhere near salary.’’

And, finally, this question: ``Which is more likely the CBA getting extended or Tomlin getting a new deal?’’

To which, Bouchette answered, ``I think we'll hit 2011 before either happens.’’

I’m not suggesting Bouchette as omnipotent in these matters, but his handle among the media is as good as any and better than almost, if not, all.

So what’s the problem? Why have the Steelers resisted extending a coach, who, if he were on the open market, would have suitors galore?

A hint of what the problem is might have come out when Santonio Holmes was traded. In some of the reporting of that trade, it was revealed that Holmes had been late for team meetings. Note the plural. How is it that a player is late for more than one meeting? Who does Holmes think he is? Plaxico Burress?

I was shocked when I read that Holmes had been tardy. I know it happens, but to happen multiple times on the Steelers -- where the coach knows ownership always has his back -- could be considered the sign of a team with discipline that is too lax.

I further learned, and this is hard to believe but it comes from a good source, that players were showing up late for flights. And Tomlin was accommodating their tardiness by holding the plane.

If that’s the kind of ship Tomlin is running, it’s perfectly understandable Rooney is hesitant to extend his contract.

In the aftermath of the recent disappointing season, where the Steelers too often relied on the passing of Ben Roethlisberger, Rooney let it be known he wanted to see a more efficient running game next season.

Maybe that’s not the only thing Rooney wants to see next season. Maybe he wants to see a coach more firmly in control of his team. That could have been, in part, the reason for trading Holmes. If Holmes were a flagrant rule-breaker, Rooney assisted Tomlin in re-establishing discipline by removing the problem from the team.

The last thing the Steelers want to do is not rehire Tomlin. No team in sports understand the importance of continuity. The Steelers, in fact, has shown the sporting world the importance of continuity. Tomlin has the makings of an excellent coach and the Steelers would love to have him here for decades.

But not if he can’t establish discipline on his own team.

Coach Cowher wuldn't put up with all this BS, where as Tomlin seems to have little bark to his bite. Even about "unleashing hell", and then he doesn't stick to his guns and puts Willy Gay back in the game, he made very small changes and didn't back up his words, let alone the fact that many of the players are running AMOK. Cowher would get in the players faces and give discipline when necessary where as Tomlin is more lax and maybe more buddy buddy with the players. He needs to tighten up the ship.

jj28west
06-10-2010, 05:27 AM
I think it will get done eventually but I did read somewhere that he really stuck his neck out for the Steelers to keep BA which is a potential reason. What that really has to do with his extention is beyond me but that was the claimed reason.

stlrz d
06-10-2010, 07:50 AM
Why won't Steelers extend Tomlin?

By Bob Smizik | Thursday, 12:15 a.m.
http://community.post-gazette.com/blogs ... fault.aspx (http://community.post-gazette.com/blogs/bobsmizik/default.aspx)

Are the Steelers unhappy with the job performance of Super Bowl-winning coach Mike Tomlin?

Strange as that might seen, it appears to be the case.

Historically, the Steelers have extended their coach when there were two years remaining on his contract. That is where Tomlin stands with his original contract with the Steelers. Yet there is little or no movement towards extending Tomlin, whose team failed to make the playoffs last season after winning the Super Bowl the previous year.

In his weekly chat at post-gazette.com Tuesday, Ed Bouchette shed some light on what was going on.

When Bouchette was asked if the team president Art Rooney was waiting to see how the upcoming season goes, Bouchette answered, ``There is no talk of any talks going on and the longer it lingers, the less likely it wMike Tomlinill get done.’’

A subsequent questioner mentioned the lack of negotiations and asked, `` Most people think that is because the Steelers are resistant to extending the deal, however, could it be that Tomlin's salary demands are too high?’’

Bouchette’s response was revealing. ``I don’t think the conversation has gotten anywhere near salary.’’

And, finally, this question: ``Which is more likely the CBA getting extended or Tomlin getting a new deal?’’

To which, Bouchette answered, ``I think we'll hit 2011 before either happens.’’

I’m not suggesting Bouchette as omnipotent in these matters, but his handle among the media is as good as any and better than almost, if not, all.

So what’s the problem? Why have the Steelers resisted extending a coach, who, if he were on the open market, would have suitors galore?

A hint of what the problem is might have come out when Santonio Holmes was traded. In some of the reporting of that trade, it was revealed that Holmes had been late for team meetings. Note the plural. How is it that a player is late for more than one meeting? Who does Holmes think he is? Plaxico Burress?

I was shocked when I read that Holmes had been tardy. I know it happens, but to happen multiple times on the Steelers -- where the coach knows ownership always has his back -- could be considered the sign of a team with discipline that is too lax.

I further learned, and this is hard to believe but it comes from a good source, that players were showing up late for flights. And Tomlin was accommodating their tardiness by holding the plane.

If that’s the kind of ship Tomlin is running, it’s perfectly understandable Rooney is hesitant to extend his contract.

In the aftermath of the recent disappointing season, where the Steelers too often relied on the passing of Ben Roethlisberger, Rooney let it be known he wanted to see a more efficient running game next season.

Maybe that’s not the only thing Rooney wants to see next season. Maybe he wants to see a coach more firmly in control of his team. That could have been, in part, the reason for trading Holmes. If Holmes were a flagrant rule-breaker, Rooney assisted Tomlin in re-establishing discipline by removing the problem from the team.

The last thing the Steelers want to do is not rehire Tomlin. No team in sports understand the importance of continuity. The Steelers, in fact, has shown the sporting world the importance of continuity. Tomlin has the makings of an excellent coach and the Steelers would love to have him here for decades.

But not if he can’t establish discipline on his own team.

Coach Cowher wuldn't put up with all this BS, where as Tomlin seems to have little bark to his bite. Even about "unleashing hell", and then he doesn't stick to his guns and puts Willy Gay back in the game, he made very small changes and didn't back up his words, let alone the fact that many of the players are running AMOK. Cowher would get in the players faces and give discipline when necessary where as Tomlin is more lax and maybe more buddy buddy with the players. He needs to tighten up the ship.

People accused Cowher of doing the same thing. :roll:

Oviedo
06-10-2010, 09:09 AM
I think it will get done eventually but I did read somewhere that he really stuck his neck out for the Steelers to keep BA which is a potential reason. What that really has to do with his extention is beyond me but that was the claimed reason.

I think Tomlin is being made to wait to see if his decision to keep Arians works out. If it doesn't then I think he will be given an ultimatum to get rid of him. His future will then be based on what he does next.

The reality is that Tomlin is in a win-win situation. He will get extended by Steelers and work for a great organization or they won't extend him and another team will snap him up in a millisecond for lots of money. Think about it. Tomlin will be a young head coach under 40 years old who has already won a Super Bowl. He will have teams tripping over each other to sign him. The Steelers will be stupid not to lock him up and I will start to seriously question the reign of Art II.

StarSpangledSteeler
06-10-2010, 09:41 AM
I think it will get done eventually but I did read somewhere that he really stuck his neck out for the Steelers to keep BA which is a potential reason. What that really has to do with his extention is beyond me but that was the claimed reason.

I think Tomlin is being made to wait to see if his decision to keep Arians works out. If it doesn't then I think he will be given an ultimatum to get rid of him. His future will then be based on what he does next.

The reality is that Tomlin is in a win-win situation. He will get extended by Steelers and work for a great organization or they won't extend him and another team will snap him up in a millisecond for lots of money. Think about it. Tomlin will be a young head coach under 40 years old who has already won a Super Bowl. He will have teams tripping over each other to sign him. The Steelers will be stupid not to lock him up and I will start to seriously question the reign of Art II.

Maybe we could trade him like Oakland did with Gruden to Tampa Bay. Didn't they give up a 1st rounder?

Ghost
06-10-2010, 10:57 AM
The looking back in time through Black & Gold colored glasses regarding Cowher always makes me chuckle. For those around back on the old Trib board prior to SB 40 - Cowher was crucified on a regular basis. Just meriless - he's lost the team, he can't win the big one, his message is stale and tired, players have lost respect, blah, blah, blah.

Tomlin's already won a Championship. Let's step back a bit before we decide he's unfit to coach the Steelers. Yes the lossing streak was horrendous (unfathonable actually) but a lot of that is on the Players as well.

He's going to be the coach in Pgh for some time to come.

HeHateMe
06-10-2010, 11:08 AM
Cowher wouldn't have this? Uh, Wasnt Plax late for meetings? Tomlin never coached Plax. Didnt our Qb get hurt on his bike under Cowher? How about Bam Morris? How about Kordell the BUM? Wasnt it Cowher who was reluctant to bench the BUM when it was clear that he didnt have the goods? How about Joey Porter getting SHOT in Colorado? Yeah, Cowher had control of his guys, yep sure did.

Mister Pittsburgh
06-10-2010, 11:58 AM
Cowher wouldn't have this? Uh, Wasnt Plax late for meetings? Tomlin never coached Plax. Didnt our Qb get hurt on his bike under Cowher? How about Bam Morris? How about Kordell the BUM? Wasnt it Cowher who was reluctant to bench the BUM when it was clear that he didnt have the goods? How about Joey Porter getting SHOT in Colorado? Yeah, Cowher had control of his guys, yep sure did.

Didn't Jerome get accused of something for receiving a BJ from a chick for a signed football in return? Didn't Marvel or someone toke reefer at training camp or at a hotel or something?

ikestops85
06-10-2010, 12:18 PM
Cowher is gone so lets get past it. I wasn't sure about Tomlin when they hired him but he impressed me at his first press conference and continues to impress every time I hear him.

That said this is the first disappointing news I have heard about him. I liked when he came in for his first training camp and had his "board of responsibility". That was where he called out peoples mistakes no matter who you were ... star, vet, rookie, or coach. It disturbs me to think the players don't respect him. I hope this either isn't true or a gross exaggeration of what is going on.

ramblinjim
06-10-2010, 12:54 PM
I think this'll all work out, or the signing will be announced and everyone will be like "huh"? All teams have player issues, HHM mentioned the ones Cowher had, Noll had a guy shoot at a helicopter. It's just the way it is.

Tomlin's still a young guy, has some things to learn. Sure, once he mentioned "Unleash Hell" I would have loved to have seen some Jerry Glanville / Buddy Ryan kind of Quarterback pressure and we didn't after that but what can you do?

Hopefully this will get done and this wont be yet another piece of drama to have to deal with next off - season. I'd like a quiet off-season for a change.

flippy
06-10-2010, 03:26 PM
I think this'll all work out, or the signing will be announced and everyone will be like "huh"? All teams have player issues, HHM mentioned the ones Cowher had, Noll had a guy shoot at a helicopter. It's just the way it is.

Tomlin's still a young guy, has some things to learn. Sure, once he mentioned "Unleash Hell" I would have loved to have seen some Jerry Glanville / Buddy Ryan kind of Quarterback pressure and we didn't after that but what can you do?

Hopefully this will get done and this wont be yet another piece of drama to have to deal with next off - season. I'd like a quiet off-season for a change.

I'll take a not so quiet offseason if it means we just won another superbowl.

BURGH86STEEL
06-10-2010, 04:56 PM
Why won't Steelers extend Tomlin?

By Bob Smizik | Thursday, 12:15 a.m.
http://community.post-gazette.com/blogs ... fault.aspx (http://community.post-gazette.com/blogs/bobsmizik/default.aspx)

Are the Steelers unhappy with the job performance of Super Bowl-winning coach Mike Tomlin?

Strange as that might seen, it appears to be the case.

Historically, the Steelers have extended their coach when there were two years remaining on his contract. That is where Tomlin stands with his original contract with the Steelers. Yet there is little or no movement towards extending Tomlin, whose team failed to make the playoffs last season after winning the Super Bowl the previous year.

In his weekly chat at post-gazette.com Tuesday, Ed Bouchette shed some light on what was going on.

When Bouchette was asked if the team president Art Rooney was waiting to see how the upcoming season goes, Bouchette answered, ``There is no talk of any talks going on and the longer it lingers, the less likely it wMike Tomlinill get done.’’

A subsequent questioner mentioned the lack of negotiations and asked, `` Most people think that is because the Steelers are resistant to extending the deal, however, could it be that Tomlin's salary demands are too high?’’

Bouchette’s response was revealing. ``I don’t think the conversation has gotten anywhere near salary.’’

And, finally, this question: ``Which is more likely the CBA getting extended or Tomlin getting a new deal?’’

To which, Bouchette answered, ``I think we'll hit 2011 before either happens.’’

I’m not suggesting Bouchette as omnipotent in these matters, but his handle among the media is as good as any and better than almost, if not, all.

So what’s the problem? Why have the Steelers resisted extending a coach, who, if he were on the open market, would have suitors galore?

A hint of what the problem is might have come out when Santonio Holmes was traded. In some of the reporting of that trade, it was revealed that Holmes had been late for team meetings. Note the plural. How is it that a player is late for more than one meeting? Who does Holmes think he is? Plaxico Burress?

I was shocked when I read that Holmes had been tardy. I know it happens, but to happen multiple times on the Steelers -- where the coach knows ownership always has his back -- could be considered the sign of a team with discipline that is too lax.

I further learned, and this is hard to believe but it comes from a good source, that players were showing up late for flights. And Tomlin was accommodating their tardiness by holding the plane.

If that’s the kind of ship Tomlin is running, it’s perfectly understandable Rooney is hesitant to extend his contract.

In the aftermath of the recent disappointing season, where the Steelers too often relied on the passing of Ben Roethlisberger, Rooney let it be known he wanted to see a more efficient running game next season.

Maybe that’s not the only thing Rooney wants to see next season. Maybe he wants to see a coach more firmly in control of his team. That could have been, in part, the reason for trading Holmes. If Holmes were a flagrant rule-breaker, Rooney assisted Tomlin in re-establishing discipline by removing the problem from the team.

The last thing the Steelers want to do is not rehire Tomlin. No team in sports understand the importance of continuity. The Steelers, in fact, has shown the sporting world the importance of continuity. Tomlin has the makings of an excellent coach and the Steelers would love to have him here for decades.

But not if he can’t establish discipline on his own team.

Coach Cowher wuldn't put up with all this BS, where as Tomlin seems to have little bark to his bite. Even about "unleashing hell", and then he doesn't stick to his guns and puts Willy Gay back in the game, he made very small changes and didn't back up his words, let alone the fact that many of the players are running AMOK. Cowher would get in the players faces and give discipline when necessary where as Tomlin is more lax and maybe more buddy buddy with the players. He needs to tighten up the ship.

I will never understand the idea from fans that coaches can control what other grown men do. People have free wills. People will conduct themselves how they see fit. Many players got into trouble under a variety of coaches and organizations.

I knew that it was a bad idea for Tomlin to make that statement about unleashing hell. I say that because I knew some fans would take it at face value. Oh well, life is full of living and learning. I hope Tomlin never makes another statement like that again so fans won't use meaningless statements against him.

Tomlin will very rarely be able to back up his words in regards to what the players do on the field. That is because Tomlin does not step one foot onto the football field. I really don't know why they stuck with Gay as long as they did. I guess they wanted to give him a chance and felt he would eventually play better. Maybe they did not think anyone else would do much better? Not much the coaches when the talent is not there.

ramblinjim
06-10-2010, 05:28 PM
I think this'll all work out, or the signing will be announced and everyone will be like "huh"? All teams have player issues, HHM mentioned the ones Cowher had, Noll had a guy shoot at a helicopter. It's just the way it is.

Tomlin's still a young guy, has some things to learn. Sure, once he mentioned "Unleash Hell" I would have loved to have seen some Jerry Glanville / Buddy Ryan kind of Quarterback pressure and we didn't after that but what can you do?

Hopefully this will get done and this wont be yet another piece of drama to have to deal with next off - season. I'd like a quiet off-season for a change.

I'll take a not so quiet offseason if it means we just won another superbowl.


Agreed :Boobs

Djfan
06-10-2010, 07:08 PM
I want to say that I hope Tomlin is the Steeler's coach for a long time.

That being said, I did call his leadership into question last season. I never called for his firing. Still, it seems that he needed to do more to get the game going.

Coaches can control the decisions of grown men by creating a culture of good decisions. Noll was the best at it, IMO. It is very overt at my work place, and I see it's effect on me regularly.

Tomlin needs to do better with this IMO.

BURGH86STEEL
06-10-2010, 08:40 PM
I want to say that I hope Tomlin is the Steeler's coach for a long time.

That being said, I did call his leadership into question last season. I never called for his firing. Still, it seems that he needed to do more to get the game going.

Coaches can control the decisions of grown men by creating a culture of good decisions. Noll was the best at it, IMO. It is very overt at my work place, and I see it's effect on me regularly.

Tomlin needs to do better with this IMO.

I suppose it is ashame that few bad apples spoil the majority of Steelers players that appear to keep themselves out of trouble. Should we question his leadership because of a few bad apples? Should we give him credit for the majority of players that keep themselves out of trouble? Do you see the dichotomy? It appears that some fans believe the minority rules when questioning his leadership. There will always be players on every team that have questionable characters, are immature, get into trouble, and make mistakes.

Tomlin could not control the decisions that Ben, Reed, and Holmes made. Nor can he control decisions any players make. All he can do is attempted to influence their decision making. I believe he tried to some extent. I believe others in the organization tried. Ultimately, it is up to each individual to decide.

In fairness, the NFL and world is a different place today then it was when Noll coached. I believe that the media and police would look the other way back in those days.

HeHateMe
06-11-2010, 07:10 AM
I want to say that I hope Tomlin is the Steeler's coach for a long time.

That being said, I did call his leadership into question last season. I never called for his firing. Still, it seems that he needed to do more to get the game going.

Coaches can control the decisions of grown men by creating a culture of good decisions. Noll was the best at it, IMO. It is very overt at my work place, and I see it's effect on me regularly.

Tomlin needs to do better with this IMO.
Coaches CANNOT police players. That is ridiculous. Hollywood Henderson was a coke addict right under Tom Landry's nose. How about Lawrence Taylor under Parcells nose? Michael Irvin under Jimmy Johnson. I could go on and on. This has NO BEARING on the coach.

Oviedo
06-11-2010, 07:51 AM
You have the wonder if hiring Tomlin was a Dan Rooney decision and Art II wasn't on board. Now that Art II is running the show he is just doing due diligence about the path he wants to take in the future.

If Art II doesn't resign Tomlin I will seriously question whether he is the right guy to keep this organization successful. Especially if it an ego issue because Tomlin didn't "obey him" and fire Arians. Bad precedent moving forward.

Shawn
06-11-2010, 04:13 PM
It's my understanding that Cowher also had some favorites and let certain things slip by. There is probably more going on that we don't see. I would say the Rooneys are looking at this season to make a decision.