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jj28west
05-15-2010, 05:21 PM
Guys,

I still cant get over this pick. I am suprised there has not been an investigation on how the Steelers landed him. I know he is alittle raw with respect to a pro style offense given that he ran in some kind of wishbone at Georgia Tech but the upside is ridiculous on this guy.

He is still a junior so this 1st year under BA's tutelage will probably limit his plays until he is able to pick up the blitz, etc.

I know youtube can hype anyone to look all world but there is a ton of film on this guy that really impresses. Its the small things that I notice that he does where you either have it or dont because it cant be taught.

If you get a chance watch how he decisive he is when hitting the hole and getting the most out of every run by falling forward. He could run over you & shed tackles too and last but not least he is able to go lateral and dance a little if there is simply nothing there if a play gets blown up. He sets up blocks and has been able to outrun 2nd level defenders.

OK maybe I have too much of a man crush on this guy but this type of RB is special. I admit I did not see too much of him at GTech but hopefully there are some GT or ACC people here that could have some input on how he performed against FSU, VTech, Virginia.
I loved Willie but he really needed space to excel and be effective. This Dwyer kid will make space or at least be decisive and strong enough to split defenders. Could you imagine Pouncey, Kemo pulling and that big FB blasting through with Jonathan at 6'1" right behind that. This may be like the good old days where we told you we were going to run and we ran at will with the bus to run out the clock.

Come on BA optimize these skilled players.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
05-15-2010, 05:45 PM
Guys,

I still cant get over this pick. I am suprised there has not been an investigation on how the Steelers landed him. I know he is alittle raw with respect to a pro style offense given that he ran in some kind of wishbone at Georgia Tech but the upside is ridiculous on this guy.

He is still a junior so this 1st year under BA's tutelage will probably limit his plays until he is able to pick up the blitz, etc.

I know youtube can hype anyone to look all world but there is a ton of film on this guy that really impresses. Its the small things that I notice that he does where you either have it or dont because it cant be taught.

If you get a chance watch how he decisive he is when hitting the hole and getting the most out of every run by falling forward. He could run over you & shed tackles too and last but not least he is able to go lateral and dance a little if there is simply nothing there if a play gets blown up. He sets up blocks and has been able to outrun 2nd level defenders.

OK maybe I have too much of a man crush on this guy but this type of RB is special. I admit I did not see too much of him at GTech but hopefully there are some GT or ACC people here that could have some input on how he performed against FSU, VTech, Virginia.
I loved Willie but he really needed space to excel and be effective. This Dwyer kid will make space or at least be decisive and strong enough to split defenders. Could you imagine Pouncey, Kemo pulling and that big FB blasting through with Jonathan at 6'1" right behind that. This may be like the good old days where we told you we were going to run and we ran at will with the bus to run out the clock.

Come on BA optimize these skilled players.

Dang, you got me all riled up reading this post. Woooooooo!!! :tt2 :tt1

BURGH86STEEL
05-15-2010, 05:48 PM
I hope his speed translates well in the pros. It appears the Steelers got themselves a late round steal.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
05-15-2010, 05:53 PM
I hope his speed translates well in the pros. It appears the Steelers got themselves a late round steal.

Just finished watching the 1998 Broncos on NFLN. Terrel Davis - 6th round pick -- 2008 yards. Dang!!

Shawn
05-15-2010, 06:49 PM
I see no reason Dwyer shouldn't be a good #2 for us. He is a one cut runner with patience and decisiveness. His running style was very similar to Maurice Clarett. Patience is the most underrated trait of a great runner. He doesn't quite have Clarett's (yes I'm talking about the preinsane college Clarett...please dont give me a hard time :) ) power or first step quickness but shows the other intangibles that I love in a back.

hawaiiansteel
05-15-2010, 07:24 PM
I see no reason Dwyer shouldn't be a good #2 for us. He is a one cut runner with patience and decisiveness. His running style was very similar to Maurice Clarett. Patience is the most underrated trait of a great runner. He doesn't quite have Clarett's (yes I'm talking about the preinsane college Clarett...please dont give me a hard time :) ) power or first step quickness but shows the other intangibles that I love in a back.


Maurice Clarett? :lol:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/photos/uncategorized/2009/03/04/maurice_clarett.jpg

jj28west
05-15-2010, 07:32 PM
There is a lot of contradiction on what his weaknesses are. Some feel he is too soft to run inside. I see unquenchable emotion and "kill or be killed" attitude & desire. Tell me this does not fire you up here in May.

Granted that these are lighter DB's and one team was Duke but check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UMcC_5EN5M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyLIiq1CmMQ&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_Ms_cdT ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_Ms_cdT9u0&feature=related)

hawaiiansteel
05-15-2010, 09:23 PM
There is a lot of contradiction on what his weaknesses are. Some feel he is too soft to run inside. I see unquenchable emotion and "kill or be killed" attitude & desire. Tell me this does not fire you up here in May.

Granted that these are lighter DB's and one team was Duke but check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UMcC_5EN5M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyLIiq1CmMQ&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_Ms_cdT ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_Ms_cdT9u0&feature=related)


gotta admit, all 3 of those videos were impressive, albeit against college DBs. however, let's see how Dwyer stacks up against NFL LBers before we anoint him as anything more than this pre-season's Isaac "Redzone" Redman.

Shawn
05-15-2010, 10:37 PM
Don't start H. :lol:

OSU has produced alot of good running backs. Clarett was the most naturally gifted of them all.

hawaiiansteel
05-15-2010, 11:20 PM
Don't start H. :lol:

OSU has produced alot of good running backs. Clarett was the most naturally gifted of them all.


my favorite Buckeye tailback would have to be Robert Smith...fast, shifty and slightly smarter than Clarett too... :P


http://a.espncdn.com/media/ncf/2004/1111/photo/g_smith_i.jpg

Captain Lemming
05-15-2010, 11:35 PM
I hope his speed translates well in the pros. It appears the Steelers got themselves a late round steal.

Just finished watching the 1998 Broncos on NFLN. Terrel Davis - 6th round pick -- 2008 yards. Dang!!

6th rounder played college ball in.......Georgia.

BradshawsHairdresser
05-16-2010, 01:43 AM
Guys,

I still cant get over this pick. I am suprised there has not been an investigation on how the Steelers landed him. I know he is alittle raw with respect to a pro style offense given that he ran in some kind of wishbone at Georgia Tech but the upside is ridiculous on this guy.

He is still a junior so this 1st year under BA's tutelage will probably limit his plays until he is able to pick up the blitz, etc.

I know youtube can hype anyone to look all world but there is a ton of film on this guy that really impresses. Its the small things that I notice that he does where you either have it or dont because it cant be taught.

If you get a chance watch how he decisive he is when hitting the hole and getting the most out of every run by falling forward. He could run over you & shed tackles too and last but not least he is able to go lateral and dance a little if there is simply nothing there if a play gets blown up. He sets up blocks and has been able to outrun 2nd level defenders.

OK maybe I have too much of a man crush on this guy but this type of RB is special. I admit I did not see too much of him at GTech but hopefully there are some GT or ACC people here that could have some input on how he performed against FSU, VTech, Virginia.
I loved Willie but he really needed space to excel and be effective. This Dwyer kid will make space or at least be decisive and strong enough to split defenders. Could you imagine Pouncey, Kemo pulling and that big FB blasting through with Jonathan at 6'1" right behind that. This may be like the good old days where we told you we were going to run and we ran at will with the bus to run out the clock.

Come on BA optimize these skilled players.

You had me going with excitement until I read that last sentence. Is this not the same guy who threw 40+ times in the cold wind vs. Cleveland? :HeadBanger

RuthlessBurgher
05-16-2010, 09:56 AM
There is a lot of contradiction on what his weaknesses are. Some feel he is too soft to run inside. I see unquenchable emotion and "kill or be killed" attitude & desire. Tell me this does not fire you up here in May.

Granted that these are lighter DB's and one team was Duke but check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UMcC_5EN5M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyLIiq1CmMQ&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_Ms_cdT ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_Ms_cdT9u0&feature=related)

That last one had Steeler RB draft pick Jonathan Dwyer trucking Viking CB draft pick Chris Cook.

Perhaps a repeat of that in the pros could make up for Viking RB Adrian Peterson trucking Steeler CB William Gay last year.

RuthlessBurgher
05-16-2010, 09:58 AM
Don't start H. :lol:

OSU has produced alot of good running backs. Clarett was the most naturally gifted of them all.


my favorite Buckeye tailback would have to be Robert Smith...fast, shifty and slightly smarter than Clarett too... :P


http://a.espncdn.com/media/ncf/2004/1111/photo/g_smith_i.jpg

Yeah, but Robert Smith wears too much make-up...and he's kind of moody. :wink:

http://www.nndb.com/people/517/000024445/robert-smith.jpg

frankthetank1
05-16-2010, 10:24 AM
There is a lot of contradiction on what his weaknesses are. Some feel he is too soft to run inside. I see unquenchable emotion and "kill or be killed" attitude & desire. Tell me this does not fire you up here in May.

Granted that these are lighter DB's and one team was Duke but check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UMcC_5EN5M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyLIiq1CmMQ&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_Ms_cdT ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_Ms_cdT9u0&feature=related)

im not worried at all about dwyer's ability to run inside. i think the biggest improvements he will have to make is picking up the blitz and all of the small things. it obviously took mendy a season or so to fine tune his game to coach T's liking. most #1 rb's in college rarely have to pick up blitzes or block ever. i agree though dwyer was an absolute steal. i much rather have dwyer than gerhart. does anyone know why dwyer slipped so much in the draft? i know it was a good draft for rb's but still, 6th round?

Shawn
05-16-2010, 11:13 AM
Don't start H. :lol:

OSU has produced alot of good running backs. Clarett was the most naturally gifted of them all.


my favorite Buckeye tailback would have to be Robert Smith...fast, shifty and slightly smarter than Clarett too... :P


http://a.espncdn.com/media/ncf/2004/1111/photo/g_smith_i.jpg

Solid pick. I believe he had neurosurgical aspirations for life after football at one time. The dude was sharp and very fast. He was a long strider but when he hit second gear no one could catch him. Personally, I would pick George or even Wells over Smith but I like power backs. But, if given a choice from just a pure athletic stand point...I take Clarett without hesitation. I have never seen someone so successful behind one of the worst lines in OSU history. You can look at his youtube highlights...as a freshman he was better than George as a senior. And those highlights don't show the little things he did well such as always fall foward and the ability to pick up yards play after play with no hole.

Back to the original subject Dwyer shows some of those traits I loved in Clarett. I think Dwyer when all is said and done will go down as a huge steal.

MaxAMillion
05-16-2010, 11:18 AM
I prefer the days when we were winning Super Bowls which meant putting the ball in Ben's hands to pass early and often. I have very little nostalgia for the hand off to Bettis days when the Steelers were getting knocked out in the playoffs.

I do agree that Dwyer has a chance to be a good NFL running back.

Shawn
05-16-2010, 12:02 PM
I prefer the days when we were winning Super Bowls which meant putting the ball in Ben's hands to pass early and often. I have very little nostalgia for the hand off to Bettis days when the Steelers were getting knocked out in the playoffs.

I do agree that Dwyer has a chance to be a good NFL running back.

Dont get me wrong when I say I like power backs. I was not a Bettis fan...maybe the only Steeler fan who wasn't. I don't like one dimensional backs of any sort but prefer power to moves chains to home run hitting speed.

I believe Mendenhall could end up being my favorite. I like a back who can do it all...LT types. Mendenhall fits that mold. And unless Dwyer develops more well rounded skills will always be a #2 in my mind. With that said, having a true power back at #2 is a wonderful addition to any football squad.

birtikidis
05-16-2010, 12:46 PM
I prefer the days when we were winning Super Bowls which meant putting the ball in Ben's hands to pass early and often. I have very little nostalgia for the hand off to Bettis days when the Steelers were getting knocked out in the playoffs.

I do agree that Dwyer has a chance to be a good NFL running back.
you mean that 1 season when we won super bowl 43... Ben had a good season leading up to super bowl 40, but he wasn't the reason we got there (a big part of it, but not the only).
myself I prefer the good old days when we had foster and odonell and a damn good balanced attack.
I hated having a Sh!tty qb when we had bettis in his prime as much as the next guy, but we would never have been in position to win those games without bettis.

steelernation77
05-16-2010, 01:12 PM
I prefer the days when we were winning Super Bowls which meant putting the ball in Ben's hands to pass early and often. I have very little nostalgia for the hand off to Bettis days when the Steelers were getting knocked out in the playoffs.

I do agree that Dwyer has a chance to be a good NFL running back.
I was not a Bettis fan..

Heresy.

Shawn
05-16-2010, 02:13 PM
I prefer the days when we were winning Super Bowls which meant putting the ball in Ben's hands to pass early and often. I have very little nostalgia for the hand off to Bettis days when the Steelers were getting knocked out in the playoffs.

I do agree that Dwyer has a chance to be a good NFL running back.
I was not a Bettis fan..

Heresy.

I always get raped over that statement lol. I think my issue with Bettis wasn't as much about Bettis was the fact that we used him so much. It was probably more of an issue with the offense in general. I hate one dimensional backs and O's.

NJ-STEELER
05-16-2010, 03:53 PM
looking foard to seeing what johnny D can bring to the steelers

isonator07
05-16-2010, 04:54 PM
Don't start H. :lol:

OSU has produced alot of good running backs. Clarett was the most naturally gifted of them all.


my favorite Buckeye tailback would have to be Robert Smith...fast, shifty and slightly smarter than Clarett too... :P


http://a.espncdn.com/media/ncf/2004/1111/photo/g_smith_i.jpg



Archie Griffin was pretty good.

birtikidis
05-16-2010, 06:42 PM
I prefer the days when we were winning Super Bowls which meant putting the ball in Ben's hands to pass early and often. I have very little nostalgia for the hand off to Bettis days when the Steelers were getting knocked out in the playoffs.

I do agree that Dwyer has a chance to be a good NFL running back.
I was not a Bettis fan..

Heresy.

I always get raped over that statement lol. I think my issue with Bettis wasn't as much about Bettis was the fact that we used him so much. It was probably more of an issue with the offense in general. I hate one dimensional backs and O's.
just think how good that offense would have been if we had a good qb in bettis' prime..

Shawn
05-16-2010, 07:06 PM
Don't start H. :lol:

OSU has produced alot of good running backs. Clarett was the most naturally gifted of them all.


my favorite Buckeye tailback would have to be Robert Smith...fast, shifty and slightly smarter than Clarett too... :P


http://a.espncdn.com/media/ncf/2004/1111/photo/g_smith_i.jpg



Archie Griffin was pretty good.

Griffin was a product of a massive OL and a coach who ran the ball. After he thought about passing...he ran the ball some more. Griffin might be the most overrated running back in college history. I don't even place him in the top 5 at OSU from a talent stand point. When he went to the pros he proved that he was a product of a running system and a beastly OL.

Shawn
05-16-2010, 07:08 PM
I prefer the days when we were winning Super Bowls which meant putting the ball in Ben's hands to pass early and often. I have very little nostalgia for the hand off to Bettis days when the Steelers were getting knocked out in the playoffs.

I do agree that Dwyer has a chance to be a good NFL running back.
I was not a Bettis fan..

Heresy.

I always get raped over that statement lol. I think my issue with Bettis wasn't as much about Bettis was the fact that we used him so much. It was probably more of an issue with the offense in general. I hate one dimensional backs and O's.
just think how good that offense would have been if we had a good qb in bettis' prime..

Agreed...it would have been amazing.

hawaiiansteel
05-16-2010, 08:48 PM
Don't start H. :lol:

OSU has produced alot of good running backs. Clarett was the most naturally gifted of them all.


my favorite Buckeye tailback would have to be Robert Smith...fast, shifty and slightly smarter than Clarett too... :P


http://a.espncdn.com/media/ncf/2004/1111/photo/g_smith_i.jpg

Solid pick. I believe he had neurosurgical aspirations for life after football at one time. The dude was sharp and very fast. He was a long strider but when he hit second gear no one could catch him. Personally, I would pick George or even Wells over Smith but I like power backs. But, if given a choice from just a pure athletic stand point...I take Clarett without hesitation. I have never seen someone so successful behind one of the worst lines in OSU history. You can look at his youtube highlights...as a freshman he was better than George as a senior. And those highlights don't show the little things he did well such as always fall foward and the ability to pick up yards play after play with no hole.

Back to the original subject Dwyer shows some of those traits I loved in Clarett. I think Dwyer when all is said and done will go down as a huge steal.



forgot all about Eddie George, always loved how that guy ran the ball!

Captain Lemming
05-17-2010, 12:09 AM
I prefer the days when we were winning Super Bowls which meant putting the ball in Ben's hands to pass early and often. I have very little nostalgia for the hand off to Bettis days when the Steelers were getting knocked out in the playoffs.


The problem was not the quantity of passing, it was the "quality" of the QB play. Emmitt Smith was breaking rushing records AND winning SBs. Troy Aikman was the difference. Had we had THAT caliber QB we would have a ridiculous number of rings.

I contend that this combination is still the best brand of football.

Northern_Blitz
05-17-2010, 01:09 PM
I hope that JD does very well wearing the B&G.

But, I have to say that I don't get all the hype. I only watched one highlight video, but it seemed to me like on most of his runs big he didn't have any contact until 8-10 yards downfield, and the guys hitting him were usually DBs. The vid I saw seemed like it was a highlight package for the O-Line.

He won't get holes anywhere near that big in the NFL, nor will he have that many runs that are uncontested at the LOS. I think it's unknown how well he'll do in those circumstances - probabaly why he went so late in the draft.

That being said, I hope he can be a great short yardage guy and a guy who can come in and spell RM. BUT, I think it's important that we keep our expectations in check.

aggiebones
05-19-2010, 03:52 PM
Yea there was a reason no other team made a move for him. He wasn't a secret or a backup in college like Willie. Its possible he works out well, but the hype is ridiculous. If he makes the club I'll be happy. He does have potential, but we need some help now. Pray that Mendi can carry the load or we'll be in BIG trouble.

Steel Life
05-19-2010, 09:59 PM
Dwyer's big fall was related to four things...

1. Positive Drug Test - Though his agent told every team that Dwyer was on meds for ADD, teams shied away from him.
2. Slow 40 Times - At one point he was clocked as slow as 4.74 for SI's Tony Pauline. He ran better at the combine (4.59) but looked somewhat out of shape & only put up 15 reps.
3. Triple-Option - Some teams didn't like him because they feared his conversion to a I-Formation pro-set attack & attributed his college totals to running out of a freak offense.
4. Small Hands/Big Belly - Dwyer's college coach went on record saying that controlling his weight was an issue. Dwyer also has small hands leading to concerns about ball-security.

skyhawk
05-19-2010, 10:06 PM
I hope his speed translates well in the pros. It appears the Steelers got themselves a late round steal.

Just finished watching the 1998 Broncos on NFLN. Terrel Davis - 6th round pick -- 2008 yards. Dang!!

Nothing against Terrell Davis but he had the best line in football for a couple years.

The Steelers OTOH don't have a line anywhere close, and no FB, and to top it off, Bruce Arians. Dwyer better be really good.

RuthlessBurgher
05-20-2010, 12:02 AM
3. Triple-Option - Some teams didn't like him because they feared his conversion to a I-Formation pro-set attack & attributed his college totals to running out of a freak offense.

That's fine, because apparently Bruce Arians is allergic to an I-Formation pro-set attack. :wink:

aggiebones
05-20-2010, 11:23 AM
"I think the critical runs, short-yardage, goal line, have been a problem," Arians said. "They got addressed (in 2008) with Gary Russell. Now is it going to be Rashard? It could be Isaac Redman, it could be by a bunch of guys. Is it a back or is it by committee? This time of year you get your running game going, but in training camp you find out that short-yardage stuff. You win the job that way."


No mention of him.

And frankly that's the way it should be. He'll have to earn his name in lights. Again, nothing against him and I'm not saying he doesn't have an equal chance, but the hype is crazy. Everyone needs to simmer down on this kid and not expect too much out of him. He will not be ready to help carry any load for us in the first quarter of the year. And if that is true, then he likely won't help at all unless injuries occur. He may well be on the PS and come on next year. Who knows?

RuthlessBurgher
05-20-2010, 12:06 PM
"I think the critical runs, short-yardage, goal line, have been a problem," Arians said. "They got addressed (in 2008) with Gary Russell. Now is it going to be Rashard? It could be Isaac Redman, it could be by a bunch of guys. Is it a back or is it by committee? This time of year you get your running game going, but in training camp you find out that short-yardage stuff. You win the job that way."


No mention of him.

And frankly that's the way it should be. He'll have to earn his name in lights. Again, nothing against him and I'm not saying he doesn't have an equal chance, but the hype is crazy. Everyone needs to simmer down on this kid and not expect too much out of him. He will not be ready to help carry any load for us in the first quarter of the year. And if that is true, then he likely won't help at all unless injuries occur. He may well be on the PS and come on next year. Who knows?

I liked what Tomlin said when asked about how Dwyer has looked in the OTA's, saying that he is a rookie, and they are practicing in shorts. We won't start to know what we have in any of these guys until they put the pads on in Latrobe.

jj28west
05-20-2010, 08:26 PM
A lot of good points here. Believe me I am far from a scout as can be. I'll admit I really saw Bruce Davis as bulking up a little and making a major impact by year two. The kid could not even make Special Teams.

What I did was took all of our draft picks and FA's and read & watched everything I could find. What stuck out was Dwyer. If you read some off the fans websites and blogs of other teams in that conference that Dwyer played in you get a pretty common theme in respect and acknowledgement that he was a top tier RB.

I know a lot of the clips show gaping holes made by the Oline but even from these highlights he showed a little bit of everything including aggressiveness and assertaviness.

He also has not played a down yet and it looks as if I crowned him to be HOF material. In two years we shall see how he grades.

cruzer8
05-20-2010, 10:46 PM
"I think the critical runs, short-yardage, goal line, have been a problem," Arians said. "They got addressed (in 2008) with Gary Russell. Now is it going to be Rashard? It could be Isaac Redman, it could be by a bunch of guys. Is it a back or is it by committee? This time of year you get your running game going, but in training camp you find out that short-yardage stuff. You win the job that way."


No mention of him.

And frankly that's the way it should be. He'll have to earn his name in lights. Again, nothing against him and I'm not saying he doesn't have an equal chance, but the hype is crazy. Everyone needs to simmer down on this kid and not expect too much out of him. He will not be ready to help carry any load for us in the first quarter of the year. And if that is true, then he likely won't help at all unless injuries occur. He may well be on the PS and come on next year. Who knows?

People need to simmer down about Redman.

He's the one who will be on the PS. Dwyer will be on the 53 man roster.