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hawaiiansteel
05-04-2010, 08:30 PM
ok, the Steelers have finished up their first mini-camp and have yet to play a down of actual football. What better time than to speculate on what the 53-man roster will look like? :tt2



Steelers receive a roster exemption for Big Ben until his suspension ends:


Offense

16 Charlie Batch QB
10 Dennis Dixon QB
4 Byron Leftwich QB
21 Jonathan Dwyer RB
34 Rashard Mendenhall RB
21 Mewelde Moore RB
33 Isaac Redman RB
44 Frank Summers FB
81 Arnaz Battle WR
82 Antwaan Randle El WR
17 Emmanuel Sanders WR
17 Mike Wallace WR
86 Hines Ward WR
85 David Johnson TE
83 Heath Miller TE
89 Matt Spaeth TE
62 Justin Hartwig C
56 Maurkice Pouncey C
68 Chris Kemoeatu G
79 Trai Essex G/T
65 Kraig Urbik G
74 Willie Colon OT
73 Ramon Foster OT
79 Jonathan Scott OT
78 Max Starks OT
64 Doug Legursky C/G


Defense

93 Nick Eason DE
96 Ziggy Hood DE
99 Brett Keisel DE
91 Aaron Smith DE
98 Casey Hampton NT
76 Chris Hoke NT
77 Ra'Shon Harris DE
51 James Farrior LB
55 Larry Foote LB
57 Keyaron Fox LB
90 Thaddeus Gibson LB
92 James Harrison LB
94 Lawrence Timmons LB
56 LaMarr Woodley LB
97 Jason Worilds LB
27 Joe Burnett CB
23 Keenan Lewis CB
20 Bryant McFadden CB
24 Ike Taylor CB
22 Willie Gay CB
26 Will Allen S
25 Ryan Clark S
29 Ryan Mundy S
43 Troy Polamalu S

Special Teams



3 Jeff Reed PK
9 Daniel Sepulveda P
60 Greg Warren LS

AkronSteel
05-05-2010, 12:31 AM
I'll give it a shot!

Offense:

QB= 3
Dennis Dixon
Byron Leftwich
Charlie Batch

RB = 4
Rashard Mendenhall
Jonathan Dwyer
Mewelde Moore
Frank Summers

WR = 6
Hines Ward
Mike Wallace
Antwan Randle-El
Emmanuel Sanders
Arnaz Battle
Antonio Brown

TE = 4
Heath Miler
Matt Spaeth
David Johnson
Sean McHugh (part time FB)

OL = 10
Max Starks
Chris Kemoeatu
Justin Hartwig
Maurkice Pouncey
Willie Colon
Trai Essex
Ramon Foster
Kraig Urbik
Jonathan Scott
Chris Scott

Defense:

DL = 6
Aaron Smith
Casey Hampton
Ziggy Hood
Brett Kiesel
Chris Hoke
Doug Worthington

LB = 8
Lamarr Woodley
James Farrior
Lawrence Timmons
James Harrison
Jason Worilds
Larry Foote
Keyaron Fox
Thaddeus Gibson

DB = 9
Ike Taylor
Bryant McFadden
Troy Polamalu
Ryan Clark
Keenan Lewis (FS/CB)
Joe Burnett
William Gay
Crezdon Butler
Will Allen

SP = 3
Jeff Reed
Daniel Sepulveda
Jared Retkofsky

Oviedo
05-05-2010, 08:15 AM
I'll give it a shot!

Offense:

QB= 3
Dennis Dixon
Byron Leftwich
Charlie Batch

RB = 4
Rashard Mendenhall
Jonathan Dwyer
Mewelde Moore
Frank Summers

WR = 6
Hines Ward
Mike Wallace
Antwan Randle-El
Emmanuel Sanders
Arnaz Battle
Antonio Brown

TE = 4
Heath Miler
Matt Spaeth
David Johnson
Sean McHugh (part time FB)

OL = 10
Max Starks
Chris Kemoeatu
Justin Hartwig
Maurkice Pouncey
Willie Colon
Trai Essex
Ramon Foster
Kraig Urbik
Jonathan Scott
Chris Scott

Defense:

DL = 6
Aaron Smith
Casey Hampton
Ziggy Hood
Brett Kiesel
Chris Hoke
Doug Worthington

LB = 8
Lamarr Woodley
James Farrior
Lawrence Timmons
James Harrison
Jason Worilds
Larry Foote
Keyaron Fox
Thaddeus Gibson

DB = 9
Ike Taylor
Bryant McFadden
Troy Polamalu
Ryan Clark
Keenan Lewis (FS/CB)
Joe Burnett
William Gay
Crezdon Butler
Will Allen

SP = 3
Jeff Reed
Daniel Sepulveda
Jared Retkofsky


I think you got it pretty close but I would not give Worthington a roster spot over Sunny Harris. I really see Worthington on the PS. Eason is also still in the mix on DL which makes it harder for Worthington to make the final 53 unless he just blows it up at camp.

Same for Antonio Brown. I think he goes to the PS and they pick up a veteran off waivers. What would change that is if Brown wins a returners job.

I think 4 TEs may be one too many. I think David Johnson and Sean McHugh are fighting for the same roster spot. Personally, I think McHugh is more versatile.

Out of 53 guys, can we please find someone to be long snapper so we doin't have to carry a specialist? That drive me insane.

papillon
05-05-2010, 09:00 AM
I'll give it a shot!

Offense:

QB= 3
Dennis Dixon
Byron Leftwich
Charlie Batch

RB = 4
Rashard Mendenhall
Jonathan Dwyer
Mewelde Moore
Frank Summers

WR = 6
Hines Ward
Mike Wallace
Antwan Randle-El
Emmanuel Sanders
Arnaz Battle
Antonio Brown

TE = 4
Heath Miler
Matt Spaeth
David Johnson
Sean McHugh (part time FB)

OL = 10
Max Starks
Chris Kemoeatu
Justin Hartwig
Maurkice Pouncey
Willie Colon
Trai Essex
Ramon Foster
Kraig Urbik
Jonathan Scott
Chris Scott

Defense:

DL = 6
Aaron Smith
Casey Hampton
Ziggy Hood
Brett Kiesel
Chris Hoke
Doug Worthington

LB = 8
Lamarr Woodley
James Farrior
Lawrence Timmons
James Harrison
Jason Worilds
Larry Foote
Keyaron Fox
Thaddeus Gibson

DB = 9
Ike Taylor
Bryant McFadden
Troy Polamalu
Ryan Clark
Keenan Lewis (FS/CB)
Joe Burnett
William Gay
Crezdon Butler
Will Allen

SP = 3
Jeff Reed
Daniel Sepulveda
Jared Retkofsky


I think you got it pretty close but I would not give Worthington a roster spot over Sunny Harris. I really see Worthington on the PS. Eason is also still in the mix on DL which makes it harder for Worthington to make the final 53 unless he just blows it up at camp.

Same for Antonio Brown. I think he goes to the PS and they pick up a veteran off waivers. What would change that is if Brown wins a returners job.

I think 4 TEs may be one too many. I think David Johnson and Sean McHugh are fighting for the same roster spot. Personally, I think McHugh is more versatile.

Out of 53 guys, can we please find someone to be long snapper so we doin't have to carry a specialist? That drive me insane.

I've been saying this for a long time. That's why I don't like having Logan on the 53; he's a return man and will rarely, if ever, contribute to the offense and taking a roster spot exposes a player to the practice squad unnecessarily.

Pappy

ramblinjim
05-05-2010, 09:10 AM
I think it will be interesting to see who the last guys on the squad are this year: Hills, Urbik, Harris, Worthington, etc. Maybe they let Dixon play enough during the pre-season and then see if anyone wants to trade for him? Keep Ben and Lefty, Batch retires, and have ARE or Ward as your emergency backup qb's to free up a spot?

SteelBucks
05-05-2010, 09:13 AM
I'll give it a shot!

Offense:

QB= 3
Dennis Dixon
Byron Leftwich
Charlie Batch

RB = 4
Rashard Mendenhall
Jonathan Dwyer
Mewelde Moore
Frank Summers

WR = 6
Hines Ward
Mike Wallace
Antwan Randle-El
Emmanuel Sanders
Arnaz Battle
Antonio Brown

TE = 4
Heath Miler
Matt Spaeth
David Johnson
Sean McHugh (part time FB)

OL = 10
Max Starks
Chris Kemoeatu
Justin Hartwig
Maurkice Pouncey
Willie Colon
Trai Essex
Ramon Foster
Kraig Urbik
Jonathan Scott
Chris Scott

Defense:

DL = 6
Aaron Smith
Casey Hampton
Ziggy Hood
Brett Kiesel
Chris Hoke
Doug Worthington

LB = 8
Lamarr Woodley
James Farrior
Lawrence Timmons
James Harrison
Jason Worilds
Larry Foote
Keyaron Fox
Thaddeus Gibson

DB = 9
Ike Taylor
Bryant McFadden
Troy Polamalu
Ryan Clark
Keenan Lewis (FS/CB)
Joe Burnett
William Gay
Crezdon Butler
Will Allen

SP = 3
Jeff Reed
Daniel Sepulveda
Jared Retkofsky

Nice! I agree that Worthington makes the team out of camp.

Oviedo
05-05-2010, 09:44 AM
I think it will be interesting to see who the last guys on the squad are this year: Hills, Urbik, Harris, Worthington, etc. Maybe they let Dixon play enough during the pre-season and then see if anyone wants to trade for him? Keep Ben and Lefty, Batch retires, and have ARE or Ward as your emergency backup qb's to free up a spot?

Dixon isn't going anywhere.

steelerkeylargo
05-05-2010, 09:44 AM
I think Legursky sticks and Chris Scott is a PS guy.

calmkiller
05-05-2010, 10:02 AM
QB= 3
Dennis Dixon
Byron Leftwich
Charlie Batch

RB = 4
Rashard Mendenhall
Jonathan Dwyer
Mewelde Moore
Frank Summers

WR = 6
Hines Ward
Mike Wallace
Antwan Randle-El
Emmanuel Sanders
Arnaz Battle
Antonio Brown

TE = 3
Heath Miler
Matt Spaeth
David Johnson

OL = 9
Max Starks
Chris Kemoeatu
Justin Hartwig
Maurkice Pouncey
Willie Colon
Trai Essex
Ramon Foster
Jonathan Scott
Chris Scott

Defense:

DL = 7
Aaron Smith
Casey Hampton
Ziggy Hood
Brett Kiesel
Chris Hoke
Sunny Harris
Doug Worthington

LB = 9
Lamarr Woodley
James Farrior
Lawrence Timmons
James Harrison
Jason Worilds
Larry Foote
Keyaron Fox
Stevenson Sylvester
Thaddeus Gibson

DB = 9
Ike Taylor
Bryant McFadden
Troy Polamalu
Ryan Clark
Keenan Lewis (FS/CB)
Joe Burnett
William Gay
Crezdon Butler
Will Allen

SP = 3
Jeff Reed
Daniel Sepulveda
Jared Retkofsky

SteelerNation1
05-05-2010, 10:22 AM
Out of 53 guys, can we please find someone to be long snapper so we doin't have to carry a specialist? That drive me insane.
I think James Harrison can long snap.

steelblood
05-05-2010, 10:23 AM
I'll give it a shot!

Offense:

QB= 3
Dennis Dixon
Byron Leftwich
Charlie Batch

RB = 4
Rashard Mendenhall
Jonathan Dwyer
Mewelde Moore
Frank Summers

WR = 6
Hines Ward
Mike Wallace
Antwan Randle-El
Emmanuel Sanders
Arnaz Battle
Antonio Brown

TE = 4
Heath Miler
Matt Spaeth
David Johnson
Sean McHugh (part time FB)

OL = 10
Max Starks
Chris Kemoeatu
Justin Hartwig
Maurkice Pouncey
Willie Colon
Trai Essex
Ramon Foster
Kraig Urbik
Jonathan Scott
Chris Scott

Defense:

DL = 6
Aaron Smith
Casey Hampton
Ziggy Hood
Brett Kiesel
Chris Hoke
Doug Worthington

LB = 8
Lamarr Woodley
James Farrior
Lawrence Timmons
James Harrison
Jason Worilds
Larry Foote
Keyaron Fox
Thaddeus Gibson

DB = 9
Ike Taylor
Bryant McFadden
Troy Polamalu
Ryan Clark
Keenan Lewis (FS/CB)
Joe Burnett
William Gay
Crezdon Butler
Will Allen

SP = 3
Jeff Reed
Daniel Sepulveda
Jared Retkofsky


I think you got it pretty close but I would not give Worthington a roster spot over Sunny Harris. I really see Worthington on the PS. Eason is also still in the mix on DL which makes it harder for Worthington to make the final 53 unless he just blows it up at camp.

Same for Antonio Brown. I think he goes to the PS and they pick up a veteran off waivers. What would change that is if Brown wins a returners job.

I think 4 TEs may be one too many. I think David Johnson and Sean McHugh are fighting for the same roster spot. Personally, I think McHugh is more versatile.

Out of 53 guys, can we please find someone to be long snapper so we doin't have to carry a specialist? That drive me insane.

I've been saying this for a long time. That's why I don't like having Logan on the 53; he's a return man and will rarely, if ever, contribute to the offense and taking a roster spot exposes a player to the practice squad unnecessarily.

Pappy

I don't know, Pap. I think guys like Logan and Madison were quite valuable to the team last year. Sure, it would be helpful if they were effective at something else other than special teams. But, we certainly missed Madison's coverage ability before we picked him up.

Frankly, I don't see why they couldn't turn Logan into a slot receiver. He was a good receiver out of the backfield in the Canadian league and he has excellent change of direction ability. Our coaching staff continues to underwhelm me with their ability to develop talented players who need refinement.

steelblood
05-05-2010, 10:31 AM
QB= 2
Dennis Dixon
Byron Leftwich


RB = 4
Rashard Mendenhall
Jonathan Dwyer
Mewelde Moore

FB = 1

Demetrius Tyler (special teams demon)

WR = 6
Hines Ward
Mike Wallace
Antwan Randle-El (emergency QB)
Emmanuel Sanders
Arnaz Battle
Antonio Brown

TE = 3
Heath Miler
Matt Spaeth
David Johnson

OL = 9
Max Starks
Chris Kemoeatu
Justin Hartwig
Maurkice Pouncey
Willie Colon
Trai Essex
Ramon Foster
Jonathan Scott
Chris Scott

Defense:

DL = 6
Aaron Smith
Casey Hampton
Ziggy Hood
Brett Kiesel
Chris Hoke
Doug Worthington

LB = 9
Lamarr Woodley
James Farrior
Lawrence Timmons
James Harrison
Jason Worilds
Larry Foote
Keyaron Fox
Stevenson Sylvester
Thaddeus Gibson

DB = 10
Ike Taylor
Bryant McFadden
Troy Polamalu
Ryan Clark
Keenan Lewis
Joe Burnett
William Gay
Crezdon Butler
Will Allen
Ryan Mundy

SP = 3
Jeff Reed
Daniel Sepulveda
Jared Retkofsky

PS=Sonny Harris, Redman, Darryl Clark, etc.

frankthetank1
05-05-2010, 10:37 AM
I'll give it a shot!

Offense:

QB= 3
Dennis Dixon
Byron Leftwich
Charlie Batch

RB = 4
Rashard Mendenhall
Jonathan Dwyer
Mewelde Moore
Frank Summers

WR = 6
Hines Ward
Mike Wallace
Antwan Randle-El
Emmanuel Sanders
Arnaz Battle
Antonio Brown

TE = 4
Heath Miler
Matt Spaeth
David Johnson
Sean McHugh (part time FB)

OL = 10
Max Starks
Chris Kemoeatu
Justin Hartwig
Maurkice Pouncey
Willie Colon
Trai Essex
Ramon Foster
Kraig Urbik
Jonathan Scott
Chris Scott

Defense:

DL = 6
Aaron Smith
Casey Hampton
Ziggy Hood
Brett Kiesel
Chris Hoke
Doug Worthington

LB = 8
Lamarr Woodley
James Farrior
Lawrence Timmons
James Harrison
Jason Worilds
Larry Foote
Keyaron Fox
Thaddeus Gibson

DB = 9
Ike Taylor
Bryant McFadden
Troy Polamalu
Ryan Clark
Keenan Lewis (FS/CB)
Joe Burnett
William Gay
Crezdon Butler
Will Allen

SP = 3
Jeff Reed
Daniel Sepulveda
Jared Retkofsky


I think you got it pretty close but I would not give Worthington a roster spot over Sunny Harris. I really see Worthington on the PS. Eason is also still in the mix on DL which makes it harder for Worthington to make the final 53 unless he just blows it up at camp.

Same for Antonio Brown. I think he goes to the PS and they pick up a veteran off waivers. What would change that is if Brown wins a returners job.

I think 4 TEs may be one too many. I think David Johnson and Sean McHugh are fighting for the same roster spot. Personally, I think McHugh is more versatile.

Out of 53 guys, can we please find someone to be long snapper so we doin't have to carry a specialist? That drive me insane.

I've been saying this for a long time. That's why I don't like having Logan on the 53; he's a return man and will rarely, if ever, contribute to the offense and taking a roster spot exposes a player to the practice squad unnecessarily.

Pappy

I don't know, Pap. I think guys like Logan and Madison were quite valuable to the team last year. Sure, it would be helpful if they were effective at something else other than special teams. But, we certainly missed Madison's coverage ability before we picked him up.

Frankly, I don't see why they couldn't turn Logan into a slot receiver. He was a good receiver out of the backfield in the Canadian league and he has excellent change of direction ability. Our coaching staff continues to underwhelm me with their ability to develop talented players who need refinement.

i think we may see logan catching passes out of the back field this season. maybe with one year under his belt on the team they will give him more opportunities. even if they dont he still broke the steelers record for return yards in a season so i think he deserves a roster spot regardless.

ANPSTEEL
05-05-2010, 10:43 AM
I'm going to use AS format- because it is easier to make changes:


I'll give it a shot!

Offense:

QB= 3
Dennis Dixon
Byron Leftwich
Charlie Batch

Agree

RB = 4
Rashard Mendenhall
Jonathan Dwyer
Mewelde Moore
Frank Summers

Agree

WR = 6
Hines Ward
Mike Wallace
Antwan Randle-El
Emmanuel Sanders
Arnaz Battle
Antonio Brown

Not sure- it wouldn't surprise me if they bring in another vet. - which would push Brown out- but I do agree that they're likely to keep 6

TE = 4
Heath Miler
Matt Spaeth
David Johnson
Sean McHugh (part time FB)

This is a tough one- because I think the spot comes down to Johnson or D. Taylor (as FB)- Johnson can only block- and only inside. He whiffs when blocking in space. so... if Taylor shows he can block better- it could be him here.

OL = 10
Max Starks
Chris Kemoeatu
Released-Justin Hartwig
Legursky
Maurkice Pouncey
Willie Colon
Trai Essex
Ramon Foster
Kraig Urbik
Jonathan Scott
PS-Chris Scott

They only keep 9. Legursky is on the team. Chris Scott is on the PS. It comes down to Essex, Hartwig, the other Scott- as to who has more value and position flexability- Essex and Scott are T- Hartwig loses out.

Defense:

DL = 6
Aaron Smith
Casey Hampton
Ziggy Hood
Brett Kiesel
Chris Hoke
Sunny Harris

They keep 6- Worthington on the PS

LB = 8
Lamarr Woodley
James Farrior
Lawrence Timmons
James Harrison
Jason Worilds
Larry Foote
Keyaron Fox
Thaddeus Gibson

Agreed. Sylvester on the PS

DB = 9
Ike Taylor
Bryant McFadden
Troy Polamalu
Ryan Clark
Keenan Lewis (FS/CB)
Joe Burnett
William Gay
Ryan Mundy
PS-Crezdon Butler
Will Allen

Who is the backup SS?
Butler to the PS

SP = 3
Jeff Reed
Daniel Sepulveda
Jared Retkofsky

Yep


I've got one roster spot left-

Does the team keep Hartwig- knowing he is gone next season any way- and risk the younger guys on the PS?

Hartwig

v.

Sylvester
Scott
Worthington
Butler

I think of this group- Sylvester is on the 53, and Hartwig is gone.

steelblood
05-05-2010, 10:49 AM
I'm going to use AS format- because it is easier to make changes:


I'll give it a shot!

Offense:

QB= 3
Dennis Dixon
Byron Leftwich
Charlie Batch

Agree

RB = 4
Rashard Mendenhall
Jonathan Dwyer
Mewelde Moore
Frank Summers

Agree

WR = 6
Hines Ward
Mike Wallace
Antwan Randle-El
Emmanuel Sanders
Arnaz Battle
Antonio Brown

Not sure- it wouldn't surprise me if they bring in another vet. - which would push Brown out- but I do agree that they're likely to keep 6

TE = 4
Heath Miler
Matt Spaeth
David Johnson
Sean McHugh (part time FB)

This is a tough one- because I think the spot comes down to Johnson or D. Taylor (as FB)- Johnson can only block- and only inside. He whiffs when blocking in space. so... if Taylor shows he can block better- it could be him here.

OL = 10
Max Starks
Chris Kemoeatu
Released-Justin Hartwig
Legursky
Maurkice Pouncey
Willie Colon
Trai Essex
Ramon Foster
Kraig Urbik
Jonathan Scott
PS-Chris Scott

They only keep 9. Legursky is on the team. Chris Scott is on the PS. It comes down to Essex, Hartwig, the other Scott- as to who has more value and position flexability- Essex and Scott are T- Hartwig loses out.

Defense:

DL = 6
Aaron Smith
Casey Hampton
Ziggy Hood
Brett Kiesel
Chris Hoke
Sunny Harris

They keep 6- Worthington on the PS

LB = 8
Lamarr Woodley
James Farrior
Lawrence Timmons
James Harrison
Jason Worilds
Larry Foote
Keyaron Fox
Thaddeus Gibson

Agreed. Sylvester on the PS

DB = 9
Ike Taylor
Bryant McFadden
Troy Polamalu
Ryan Clark
Keenan Lewis (FS/CB)
Joe Burnett
William Gay
Ryan Mundy
PS-Crezdon Butler
Will Allen

Who is the backup SS?
Butler to the PS

SP = 3
Jeff Reed
Daniel Sepulveda
Jared Retkofsky

Yep


I've got one roster spot left-

Does the team keep Hartwig- knowing he is gone next season any way- and risk the younger guys on the PS?

Hartwig

v.

Sylvester
Scott
Worthington
Butler

I think of this group- Sylvester is on the 53, and Hartwig is gone.


You are right to find a spot for Sylvestor. Sylvestor won't last on our PS. He can be a good 4-3 OLB and with the experience playing inside in the 3-4 throughout camp and preseason, he'll be in demand by teams that are thin at LB. He'll start the season on someone's active roster because he will be a good special teamer with the potential to start down the road.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
05-05-2010, 10:51 AM
QB
Ben Roethlisberger(S)
Dennis Dixon
Byron Leftwich
Charlie Batch

HB
Rashard Mendenhall
Jonathan Dwyer
Mewelde Moore
Frank Summers

WR
Hines Ward
Mike Wallace
Antwan Randle-El
Emmanuel Sanders
Arnaz Battle
Antonio Brown

TE
Heath Miler
Matt Spaeth
David Johnson

OL
Max Starks
Chris Kemoeatu
Justin Hartwig
Maurkice Pouncey
Willie Colon
Trai Essex
Ramon Foster
Kraig Urbik
Jonathan Scott

DL
Aaron Smith
Casey Hampton
Brett Kiesel
Chris Hoke
Ziggy Hood
Rashon Harris

LB
Lamarr Woodley
James Farrior
Lawrence Timmons
James Harrison
Larry Foote
Keyaron Fox
Jason Worilds
Thaddeus Gibson
Stevenson Sylvester

CB
Ike Taylor
Bryant McFadden
Keenan Lewis
Joe Burnett
William Gay
Crezdon Butler

S
Troy Polamalu
Ryan Clark
Will Allen
Ryan Mundy

ST
Jeff Reed
Daniel Sepulveda
Jared Retkofsky

PS
Doug Worthington-DE
Chris Scott-OL
Demetrius Taylor-FB
Da'Mon Cromartie-Smith-S
Cordarrow Thompson-DT
Lindsey Witten-LB
Tyler Grisham-WR
Isaac Redman-RB

QB
Batch released after Ben returns unless there is an injury at a heavy position & then they carry 4 QBs. Batch's salary for 2010 will be guranteed.

RB/FB/TE
Taylor will show enough at FB to earn PS spot along with Redman. Johnson beats out McHugh for #3 TE/H-Back. I think Bright misses PS because of talent poole.

WR
They carry 6 WRs. Brown impresses in return game and beats out Logan. Sweed to PUP/IR and possible injury settlement. Should be a PS spot left that Grisham, Chery, & London fight over. I hear they are high on Grisham so I put him on the PS since I haven't seen much on Chery & London. London has more game experience tha Grisham so he may win the spot.

OL
I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Legursky shows enough playing 1st team they feel comfortable enough with him & Pouncey to release Hartwig. I would rather have Legursky here longterm than Hartwig one more year. The longer Hartwig stays on the sideline the better for Legursky. I also feel Urbik will show enough position flexibility playing center and improved play to stick around. Hills is pushed of by J Scott's ability to play both OT spots. Chris Scott shows promise and looks like a keeper project for PS.

DL
This is difficult. Eason could stay because he could be the #3 DT. But I belive the youth movement goes full swing. I think Hood & Harris will show enough to be emergency #3 DT. Worthington is a keeper to the PS. Could possible make 53. Thompson shows enough to be PS project.

LB
9...Yes 9! Say goodbye to ST LBs with no position value. All three draft choices make 53. Sylvester will play lights out on ST and push Bailey off roster. Love the LB situation.
Note: Foote was brought here for a reason. Take notice how much the combination of Foote & Timmons is on the field. Could be a sign of where Farrior is at. Witten shows some pass rushing skills and makes the PS.

CB
Welcome back B Mac. Thank God. With Lewis & Burnett in year 2...A weakness from 2009 looks like it could be a strength. Nickel & Dime look very interesting. Like Butler and his potential. Has some time to learn and might find his way on 53 if he could show he is a willing ST player. I think him and Madison are in the battle together for #6 and ST is what wins it. If he doesn't see the 53 than PS. But I believe he will look good enough in position to not risk putting him on the PS.

S
Welcome back Troy! And Thank God Allen is here! (Sorry Carter.) Mundy sticks around another year. Da'Mon Cromartie-Smith has a good pre-season and earns a PS spot.

ST
I think Warren's injuries give way to Retkofsky & his smaller salary. Reed is Reed and Sepulveda is no Guy...But better than Berger.

Oviedo
05-05-2010, 10:59 AM
Who do you guys see as the returners? I don't think ARE has much left and isn't much of a threat to take it all the way anymore. No idea who would handle KO returns.

I'd like to see Burnett audition there again. He was dynamic in college.

Shawn
05-05-2010, 11:21 AM
Sylvester will make this roster. I think the big question will be Harris or Worthington. Harris might make it this season due to familiarity but Worthington is the better overall player. I really hope Worthington doesn't get placed on the PS because I'm not sure he will last there.

ANPSTEEL
05-05-2010, 11:29 AM
Sylvester will make this roster. I think the big question will be Harris or Worthington. Harris might make it this season due to familiarity but Worthington is the better overall player. I really hope Worthington doesn't get placed on the PS because I'm not sure he will last there.

If the team feels that way as well- just look on the fringes.

Who could they replace for Worthington on the PS- with confidence he'd not be grabbed up immediately??

Frank Summers? He really would be redundant if Dwyer shows up.

Oviedo
05-05-2010, 11:54 AM
Sylvester will make this roster. I think the big question will be Harris or Worthington. Harris might make it this season due to familiarity but Worthington is the better overall player. I really hope Worthington doesn't get placed on the PS because I'm not sure he will last there.

If the team feels that way as well- just look on the fringes.

Who could they replace for Worthington on the PS- with confidence he'd not be grabbed up immediately??

Frank Summers? He really would be redundant if Dwyer shows up.

Then you are down to 3 RBs. I can't see that happening.

I think that Eason, Harris and Worthington are fighting for two jobs. IMO the best situation is that Harris shows that with a year behind him he can be as good as Eason in the back up role and Eason is the odd man out while we keep the young guys.

They have said that Ohio State plays the college defense most like what the Steelers play so hopefully Worthington knows how to play the DE position and can contribute early.

ANPSTEEL
05-05-2010, 12:50 PM
Sylvester will make this roster. I think the big question will be Harris or Worthington. Harris might make it this season due to familiarity but Worthington is the better overall player. I really hope Worthington doesn't get placed on the PS because I'm not sure he will last there.

If the team feels that way as well- just look on the fringes.

Who could they replace for Worthington on the PS- with confidence he'd not be grabbed up immediately??

Frank Summers? He really would be redundant if Dwyer shows up.

Then you are down to 3 RBs. I can't see that happening.

I think that Eason, Harris and Worthington are fighting for two jobs. IMO the best situation is that Harris shows that with a year behind him he can be as good as Eason in the back up role and Eason is the odd man out while we keep the young guys.

They have said that Ohio State plays the college defense most like what the Steelers play so hopefully Worthington knows how to play the DE position and can contribute early.

I get your point- but it is going to come down to who can do more for the team, imo.

Also- imo- Summers is not safe- I think he and Redman are in a battle for that spot- whichever shows they can block and play special teams. I think Redman showed us more running ability last season- but less in the other aspects.

keeping in mind the coaching staff indicated that they are expecting to keep 4 running backs on the roster - including the FB.

ANPSTEEL
05-05-2010, 12:55 PM
Who do you guys see as the returners? I don't think ARE has much left and isn't much of a threat to take it all the way anymore. No idea who would handle KO returns.

I'd like to see Burnett audition there again. He was dynamic in college.

Between

Sanders
Brown
Burnett
Logan

Logan is going to have to show significant improvement as a position player - and kickoff coverage to make the roster.

I've got the other 3 already making the 53- so it would be open - best man wins.

Stewie
05-05-2010, 02:39 PM
I don't see Urbik making the team. He got pushed around by one and all last year in TC, and he was beaten out by Foster when an opportunity arose. There is no reason to believe that Urbik has gotten better than Foster. I hope that Worthington makes it to the 53. We'll lose him on the PS, and the DL is old and thin.

Shawn
05-05-2010, 02:46 PM
Sylvester will make this roster. I think the big question will be Harris or Worthington. Harris might make it this season due to familiarity but Worthington is the better overall player. I really hope Worthington doesn't get placed on the PS because I'm not sure he will last there.

If the team feels that way as well- just look on the fringes.

Who could they replace for Worthington on the PS- with confidence he'd not be grabbed up immediately??

Frank Summers? He really would be redundant if Dwyer shows up.

Then you are down to 3 RBs. I can't see that happening.

I think that Eason, Harris and Worthington are fighting for two jobs. IMO the best situation is that Harris shows that with a year behind him he can be as good as Eason in the back up role and Eason is the odd man out while we keep the young guys.

They have said that Ohio State plays the college defense most like what the Steelers play so hopefully Worthington knows how to play the DE position and can contribute early.

Worthington is a classic 3-4 DE in every sense of the word. He played at a high level at OSU against top level competition. He will be ready sooner than most young guys trying to switch to that position.

calmkiller
05-05-2010, 03:58 PM
Sylvester will make this roster. I think the big question will be Harris or Worthington. Harris might make it this season due to familiarity but Worthington is the better overall player. I really hope Worthington doesn't get placed on the PS because I'm not sure he will last there.

If the team feels that way as well- just look on the fringes.

Who could they replace for Worthington on the PS- with confidence he'd not be grabbed up immediately??

Frank Summers? He really would be redundant if Dwyer shows up.

Then you are down to 3 RBs. I can't see that happening.

I think that Eason, Harris and Worthington are fighting for two jobs. IMO the best situation is that Harris shows that with a year behind him he can be as good as Eason in the back up role and Eason is the odd man out while we keep the young guys.

They have said that Ohio State plays the college defense most like what the Steelers play so hopefully Worthington knows how to play the DE position and can contribute early.

Worthington is a classic 3-4 DE in every sense of the word. He played at a high level at OSU against top level competition. He will be ready sooner than most young guys trying to switch to that position.


I will wait to see what Aaron Smith has to say about him. He can predict who will make it and who won't.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
05-05-2010, 04:34 PM
I don't see Urbik making the team. He got pushed around by one and all last year in TC, and he was beaten out by Foster when an opportunity arose. There is no reason to believe that Urbik has gotten better than Foster. I hope that Worthington makes it to the 53. We'll lose him on the PS, and the DL is old and thin.

Foster isn't Urbik's problem anymore. Foster is a lock to make the roster. He will be the #6 going into camp with the Steelers giving Essex a chance to hold down RG. I think Essex gets kicked all the way down to #7 with both Foster & Pouncey moving ahead of him. Foster or Pouncey win the RG spot. Many don't like Essex but the #7 spot will be a hard spot to move him from. He is valuable there and I don't see him getting bumped off the roster unless someone really surprises. That leaves Urbik fighting with Legursky for a spot because I believe C Scott is headed to the PS. Hills & J Scott will fight it out for the last spot and the edge might go to Scott because he can play both OT spots. They are giving Urbik reps at C because he needs to back-up all interior spots if he wants to stick around in the back-up role.

Lebsteel
05-05-2010, 04:48 PM
QB= 3
Dennis Dixon
Byron Leftwich
Charlie Batch

RB = 4
Rashard Mendenhall
Jonathan Dwyer
Mewelde Moore
Isaac Redman

WR = 6
Hines Ward
Mike Wallace
Antwan Randle-El
Emmanuel Sanders
Arnaz Battle
Antonio Brown

TE = 3
Heath Miler
Matt Spaeth
David Johnson (part time FB)

OL = 10
Max Starks
Chris Kemoeatu
Maurkice Pouncey
Willie Colon
Trai Essex
Ramon Foster
Kraig Urbik
Jonathan Scott
Chris Scott
Doug Legursky

Defense:

DL = 6
Aaron Smith
Casey Hampton
Ziggy Hood
Brett Kiesel
Chris Hoke
Doug Worthington

LB = 9
Lamarr Woodley
James Farrior
Lawrence Timmons
James Harrison
Jason Worilds
Larry Foote
Keyaron Fox
Thaddeus Gibson
Stevenson Sylvester

DB = 9
Ike Taylor
Bryant McFadden
Troy Polamalu
Ryan Clark
Keenan Lewis (FS/CB)
Joe Burnett
William Gay
Crezdon Butler
Will Allen

SP = 3
Jeff Reed
Daniel Sepulveda
Greg Warren

PS
RaShon Harris-DE
Demetrius Taylor-FB
Da'Mon Cromartie-Smith-S
Cordarrow Thompson-DT
Lindsey Witten-LB
Tyler Grisham-WR
Frank Summers-RB

ANPSTEEL
05-05-2010, 04:50 PM
I don't see Urbik making the team. He got pushed around by one and all last year in TC, and he was beaten out by Foster when an opportunity arose. There is no reason to believe that Urbik has gotten better than Foster. I hope that Worthington makes it to the 53. We'll lose him on the PS, and the DL is old and thin.

Foster isn't Urbik's problem anymore. Foster is a lock to make the roster. He will be the #6 going into camp with the Steelers giving Essex a chance to hold down RG. I think Essex gets kicked all the way down to #7 with both Foster & Pouncey moving ahead of him. Foster or Pouncey win the RG spot. Many don't like Essex but the #7 spot will be a hard spot to move him from. He is valuable there and I don't see him getting bumped off the roster unless someone really surprises. That leaves Urbik fighting with Legursky for a spot because I believe C Scott is headed to the PS. Hills & J Scott will fight it out for the last spot and the edge might go to Scott because he can play both OT spots. They are giving Urbik reps at C because he needs to back-up all interior spots if he wants to stick around in the back-up role.

JPN- weren't you commenting, i think, in another thread about your thoughts on Legursky potentially starting at C??

I think they are going to give him every opportunity to win that job. IMO, they'd rather keep Legursky than Hartwig - knowing Hartwig is gone after one more year.

hawaiiansteel
05-05-2010, 04:55 PM
I don't see Urbik making the team. He got pushed around by one and all last year in TC, and he was beaten out by Foster when an opportunity arose. There is no reason to believe that Urbik has gotten better than Foster. I hope that Worthington makes it to the 53. We'll lose him on the PS, and the DL is old and thin.

Foster isn't Urbik's problem anymore. Foster is a lock to make the roster. He will be the #6 going into camp with the Steelers giving Essex a chance to hold down RG. I think Essex gets kicked all the way down to #7 with both Foster & Pouncey moving ahead of him. Foster or Pouncey win the RG spot. Many don't like Essex but the #7 spot will be a hard spot to move him from. He is valuable there and I don't see him getting bumped off the roster unless someone really surprises. That leaves Urbik fighting with Legursky for a spot because I believe C Scott is headed to the PS. Hills & J Scott will fight it out for the last spot and the edge might go to Scott because he can play both OT spots. They are giving Urbik reps at C because he needs to back-up all interior spots if he wants to stick around in the back-up role.

JPN- weren't you commenting, i think, in another thread about your thoughts on Legursky potentially starting at C??

I think they are going to give him every opportunity to win that job. IMO, they'd rather keep Legursky than Hartwig - knowing Hartwig is gone after one more year.



i think Hartwig sticks around another year to mentor Pouncey and teach him the line calls.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
05-05-2010, 05:42 PM
I don't see Urbik making the team. He got pushed around by one and all last year in TC, and he was beaten out by Foster when an opportunity arose. There is no reason to believe that Urbik has gotten better than Foster. I hope that Worthington makes it to the 53. We'll lose him on the PS, and the DL is old and thin.

Foster isn't Urbik's problem anymore. Foster is a lock to make the roster. He will be the #6 going into camp with the Steelers giving Essex a chance to hold down RG. I think Essex gets kicked all the way down to #7 with both Foster & Pouncey moving ahead of him. Foster or Pouncey win the RG spot. Many don't like Essex but the #7 spot will be a hard spot to move him from. He is valuable there and I don't see him getting bumped off the roster unless someone really surprises. That leaves Urbik fighting with Legursky for a spot because I believe C Scott is headed to the PS. Hills & J Scott will fight it out for the last spot and the edge might go to Scott because he can play both OT spots. They are giving Urbik reps at C because he needs to back-up all interior spots if he wants to stick around in the back-up role.

JPN- weren't you commenting, i think, in another thread about your thoughts on Legursky potentially starting at C??

I think they are going to give him every opportunity to win that job. IMO, they'd rather keep Legursky than Hartwig - knowing Hartwig is gone after one more year.
In my perfect world Hartwig would be released and Legursky would start at C this year. He has been around long enough to know the calls...I hope. Hartwig sticking around this year is going to push a good football player off this roster IMO. Legursky is a good player to have but I think the numbers game will cost someone. That guy could Urbik as easy as Legursky.

Oviedo
05-06-2010, 01:40 PM
[quote=Stewie]I don't see Urbik making the team. He got pushed around by one and all last year in TC, and he was beaten out by Foster when an opportunity arose. There is no reason to believe that Urbik has gotten better than Foster. I hope that Worthington makes it to the 53. We'll lose him on the PS, and the DL is old and thin.

Foster isn't Urbik's problem anymore. Foster is a lock to make the roster. He will be the #6 going into camp with the Steelers giving Essex a chance to hold down RG. I think Essex gets kicked all the way down to #7 with both Foster & Pouncey moving ahead of him. Foster or Pouncey win the RG spot. Many don't like Essex but the #7 spot will be a hard spot to move him from. He is valuable there and I don't see him getting bumped off the roster unless someone really surprises. That leaves Urbik fighting with Legursky for a spot because I believe C Scott is headed to the PS. Hills & J Scott will fight it out for the last spot and the edge might go to Scott because he can play both OT spots. They are giving Urbik reps at C because he needs to back-up all interior spots if he wants to stick around in the back-up role.

JPN- weren't you commenting, i think, in another thread about your thoughts on Legursky potentially starting at C??

I think they are going to give him every opportunity to win that job. IMO, they'd rather keep Legursky than Hartwig - knowing Hartwig is gone after one more year.
In my perfect world Hartwig would be released and Legursky would start at C this year. He has been around long enough to know the calls...I hope. Hartwig sticking around this year is going to push a good football player off this roster IMO. Legursky is a good player to have but I think the numbers game will cost someone. That guy could Urbik as easy as Legursky.[/quote:2c07ffx4]

I don't understand the love that Legursky is getting. The guy has been on the team for three years and has not really challenged for a starting role at a position that all the fan "experts" have passed judgement on as the weakest on the OL. What does that say about Legursky?

The team drafted a player this year in Round 1 that plays Legursky's primary position. That indicates to me that Lugursky doesn't have a long future with the team as anything other than a back up.

flippy
05-06-2010, 01:46 PM
I've been thinking about this since this question was posted, but there's too much uncertainty for me to come up with a list.

I think Redman makes it because Dwyer isn't ready.

Oline is a tough call.

And I agree, I hate specialists, until James Harrison snaps.

The final 5-10 players is going to be more interesting than ever.

Oviedo
05-06-2010, 01:52 PM
I've been thinking about this since this question was posted, but there's too much uncertainty for me to come up with a list.

I think Redman makes it because Dwyer isn't ready.

Oline is a tough call.

And I agree, I hate specialists, until James Harrison snaps.

The final 5-10 players is going to be more interesting than ever.

The "preseason hero" will not make the team. Summers and Dwyer both will.

ANPSTEEL
05-06-2010, 02:05 PM
[quote=Stewie]I don't see Urbik making the team. He got pushed around by one and all last year in TC, and he was beaten out by Foster when an opportunity arose. There is no reason to believe that Urbik has gotten better than Foster. I hope that Worthington makes it to the 53. We'll lose him on the PS, and the DL is old and thin.

Foster isn't Urbik's problem anymore. Foster is a lock to make the roster. He will be the #6 going into camp with the Steelers giving Essex a chance to hold down RG. I think Essex gets kicked all the way down to #7 with both Foster & Pouncey moving ahead of him. Foster or Pouncey win the RG spot. Many don't like Essex but the #7 spot will be a hard spot to move him from. He is valuable there and I don't see him getting bumped off the roster unless someone really surprises. That leaves Urbik fighting with Legursky for a spot because I believe C Scott is headed to the PS. Hills & J Scott will fight it out for the last spot and the edge might go to Scott because he can play both OT spots. They are giving Urbik reps at C because he needs to back-up all interior spots if he wants to stick around in the back-up role.

JPN- weren't you commenting, i think, in another thread about your thoughts on Legursky potentially starting at C??

I think they are going to give him every opportunity to win that job. IMO, they'd rather keep Legursky than Hartwig - knowing Hartwig is gone after one more year.
In my perfect world Hartwig would be released and Legursky would start at C this year. He has been around long enough to know the calls...I hope. Hartwig sticking around this year is going to push a good football player off this roster IMO. Legursky is a good player to have but I think the numbers game will cost someone. That guy could Urbik as easy as Legursky.

I don't understand the love that Legursky is getting. The guy has been on the team for three years and has not really challenged for a starting role at a position that all the fan "experts" have passed judgement on as the weakest on the OL. What does that say about Legursky?

The team drafted a player this year in Round 1 that plays Legursky's primary position. That indicates to me that Lugursky doesn't have a long future with the team as anything other than a back up.[/quote:y5u038qw]

I wasn't a lineman- O or D- and am not going to pretend that I am skilled at evaluating them. I get most- if not all - of my information regarding the big guys by reading various sites, and posts written by guys that were linemen- and do know what they are talking about.

In this case- I have read several items proclaiming Legursky's potential. Primarily in respect to his size, strength, and drive- but also noting that he is pretty athletic.

What I really focus on are the opinions that suggest he is much stronger than Hartwig and would fare much better against the bigger NTs that eat him up.

So- my position is based upon the idea of improving one of the weaker points on the offensive line. Now we all recognize that Pouncey is almost certain to be playing center by 2011 -(assuming they play at all) but that does not negate the glaring weakness the team has at center - today. If they are committed to a more consistent running attack- I think it needs to start on the OLine, and specifically the middle.

No infatuation- just hoping to improve- and being realistic that Pouncey is not going to be ready to play center this season.

One last note- suppose Legursky comes in and does a great job at center- would you have any problem keeping him there, and Pouncey at RG? (just being hypothetical here.)

frankthetank1
05-06-2010, 02:45 PM
I've been thinking about this since this question was posted, but there's too much uncertainty for me to come up with a list.

I think Redman makes it because Dwyer isn't ready.

Oline is a tough call.

And I agree, I hate specialists, until James Harrison snaps.

The final 5-10 players is going to be more interesting than ever.

The "preseason hero" will not make the team. Summers and Dwyer both will.

if some how redman does make the team summers will be the odd man out. even if dwyer doesnt blow people away in the preseason he still has a ton of potential.

ikestops85
05-06-2010, 03:39 PM
I'm just curious about why all the Pouncey fans out there think he can't start at center this year. Before the draft they were comparing him to Mack and even Mangold. Well those guys started and did well as rookies. Why shouldn't we start Pouncey? He's our center of the future ... we used a #18 pick on him ... let's start him AT CENTER.

If we start Pouncey we can get rid of Hartwig and Legursky is the backup. If you are concerned about not having a veteren center then go out and sign Mawae for a year. I know he is old but he was still a Pro Bowler last year.

Discipline of Steel
05-06-2010, 06:40 PM
I'm just curious about why all the Pouncey fans out there think he can't start at center this year. Before the draft they were comparing him to Mack and even Mangold. Well those guys started and did well as rookies. Why shouldn't we start Pouncey? He's our center of the future ... we used a #18 pick on him ... let's start him AT CENTER.

If we start Pouncey we can get rid of Hartwig and Legursky is the backup. If you are concerned about not having a veteren center then go out and sign Mawae for a year. I know he is old but he was still a Pro Bowler last year.

:Agree We drafted a center, lets play him at center where Hartwig is one of our worst starters. No time better than the present to get him learning the C position. This guard talk has been going on since before the draft and I dont get it either.

Lebsteel
05-06-2010, 10:10 PM
I'm just curious about why all the Pouncey fans out there think he can't start at center this year. Before the draft they were comparing him to Mack and even Mangold. Well those guys started and did well as rookies. Why shouldn't we start Pouncey? He's our center of the future ... we used a #18 pick on him ... let's start him AT CENTER.

If we start Pouncey we can get rid of Hartwig and Legursky is the backup. If you are concerned about not having a veteren center then go out and sign Mawae for a year. I know he is old but he was still a Pro Bowler last year.

:Agree We drafted a center, lets play him at center where Hartwig is one of our worst starters. No time better than the present to get him learning the C position. This guard talk has been going on since before the draft and I dont get it either.
That makes three of us. Hartwig was statistically the worst center in the NFL last year, so how can we get any worse than that? Pouncey would have at least four games to learn before he has to protect the, ahem, "franchise" so let him learn with Dixon or Leftwich in there.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
05-07-2010, 07:17 AM
I'm basing everything on the fact that Legursky played better than Hartwig in the pre-season and still didn't start. "Played Better" was given his situation in the pre-season. Meaning, we see "vanilla" defenses so the line calls seem to be more evident pre-snap in pre-season. Legursky's play on the field after the snap was better than Hartwig's. We all know the Steelers play vets that won't make assignment mistakes over more talented players. That has been the staple of the Steelers for a long time. So that leads me to believe that Hartwig was in there because of his ability to get the OL right pre-snap and weed out the defensive fronts during the confusion. I think it is about time that Legursky should be on that level and the more talented player sees the field...Finally. Using the same reasoning, I believe Legursky should start at C and Pouncey at RG. Unless the "football intelligence" Coach T & KC are talking about is off the charts...I don't see how the Steelers will plug in Pouncey at C start game 1. As much as I feel Pouncey at RG with Hartwig at C in 2010 is an upgrade from 2009...I truely believe Legursky at C with Pouncey at RG is even a little better.


If you look at my 53 I have Legursky not there. Why? Even after I said all of this? I think he becomes a number casualty because of the drafting of Pouncey and the Steelers keeping Hartwig for another year. That is the feeling I get if they hold on to Hartwig. I believe Urbik will show improvement and also show enough at C for his stock to rise. Because of that "ceiling" they saw as a 3rd round pick...I think he will be the choice over Legursky. Also remember, C Scott can play all positions on the OL so a true C outside of Hartwig & Pouncey could be overlooked. That could work the other way if Urbik doesn't show improvement or can't play C. C Scott could push Urbik off the roster and Legursky makes the team. C Scott could sit on the PS for a year and learn. That "swing interior" lineman battle will continue in 2011 camp. Maybe the best way to explain it and shed light on it....The Steelers believe that the future starters for years to come at C & RG are on this roster right now. Believing that, positions 6-9 will be decided on position flexibilty on the interior and the best swing tackle between Hills & J Scott.

Oviedo
05-07-2010, 07:48 AM
I'm basing everything on the fact that Legursky played better than Hartwig in the pre-season and still didn't start. "Played Better" was given his situation in the pre-season. Meaning, we see "vanilla" defenses so the line calls seem to be more evident pre-snap in pre-season. Legursky's play on the field after the snap was better than Hartwig's. We all know the Steelers play vets that won't make assignment mistakes over more talented players. That has been the staple of the Steelers for a long time. So that leads me to believe that Hartwig was in there because of his ability to get the OL right pre-snap and weed out the defensive fronts during the confusion. I think it is about time that Legursky should be on that level and the more talented player sees the field...Finally. Using the same reasoning, I believe Legursky should start at C and Pouncey at RG. Unless the "football intelligence" Coach T & KC are talking about is off the charts...I don't see how the Steelers will plug in Pouncey at C start game 1. As much as I feel Pouncey at RG with Hartwig at C in 2010 is an upgrade from 2009...I truely believe Legursky at C with Pouncey at RG is even a little better.


If you look at my 53 I have Legursky not there. Why? Even after I said all of this? I think he becomes a number casualty because of the drafting of Pouncey and the Steelers keeping Hartwig for another year. That is the feeling I get if they hold on to Hartwig. I believe Urbik will show improvement and also show enough at C for his stock to rise. Because of that "ceiling" they saw as a 3rd round pick...I think he will be the choice over Legursky. Also remember, C Scott can play all positions on the OL so a true C outside of Hartwig & Pouncey could be overlooked. That could work the other way if Urbik doesn't show improvement or can't play C. C Scott could push Urbik off the roster and Legursky makes the team. C Scott could sit on the PS for a year and learn. That "swing interior" lineman battle will continue in 2011 camp. Maybe the best way to explain it and shed light on it....The Steelers believe that the future starters for years to come at C & RG are on this roster right now. Believing that, positions 6-9 will be decided on position flexibilty on the interior and the best swing tackle between Hills & J Scott.

Good thoughts. IMO Urbik is a lock, especially if he shows he can play Center in an emergency (please learn to long snap). Legursky will be given a chance to stick but he is competing with Foster and C. Scott. If C. Scott is as good as we have heard then Lugursky is likely the odd man out on the interior.

At OT I think Hills is gone with J. Scott and Essex as the back up OT.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
05-07-2010, 10:31 AM
I'm basing everything on the fact that Legursky played better than Hartwig in the pre-season and still didn't start. "Played Better" was given his situation in the pre-season. Meaning, we see "vanilla" defenses so the line calls seem to be more evident pre-snap in pre-season. Legursky's play on the field after the snap was better than Hartwig's. We all know the Steelers play vets that won't make assignment mistakes over more talented players. That has been the staple of the Steelers for a long time. So that leads me to believe that Hartwig was in there because of his ability to get the OL right pre-snap and weed out the defensive fronts during the confusion. I think it is about time that Legursky should be on that level and the more talented player sees the field...Finally. Using the same reasoning, I believe Legursky should start at C and Pouncey at RG. Unless the "football intelligence" Coach T & KC are talking about is off the charts...I don't see how the Steelers will plug in Pouncey at C start game 1. As much as I feel Pouncey at RG with Hartwig at C in 2010 is an upgrade from 2009...I truely believe Legursky at C with Pouncey at RG is even a little better.


If you look at my 53 I have Legursky not there. Why? Even after I said all of this? I think he becomes a number casualty because of the drafting of Pouncey and the Steelers keeping Hartwig for another year. That is the feeling I get if they hold on to Hartwig. I believe Urbik will show improvement and also show enough at C for his stock to rise. Because of that "ceiling" they saw as a 3rd round pick...I think he will be the choice over Legursky. Also remember, C Scott can play all positions on the OL so a true C outside of Hartwig & Pouncey could be overlooked. That could work the other way if Urbik doesn't show improvement or can't play C. C Scott could push Urbik off the roster and Legursky makes the team. C Scott could sit on the PS for a year and learn. That "swing interior" lineman battle will continue in 2011 camp. Maybe the best way to explain it and shed light on it....The Steelers believe that the future starters for years to come at C & RG are on this roster right now. Believing that, positions 6-9 will be decided on position flexibilty on the interior and the best swing tackle between Hills & J Scott.

Good thoughts. IMO Urbik is a lock, especially if he shows he can play Center in an emergency (please learn to long snap). Legursky will be given a chance to stick but he is competing with Foster and C. Scott. If C. Scott is as good as we have heard then Lugursky is likely the odd man out on the interior.

At OT I think Hills is gone with J. Scott and Essex as the back up OT.
That is the way I see it going down O. Foster, Essex, Urbik, & J Scott round out 6-9. Tuck C Scott on the PS and he is your insurance if Urbik doesn't pan out. I would have liked to see Legursky over Hartwig but I get the feeling they will give Hartwig one more year. I like the LS idea. Get Urbik to do that and he gets major pass to grow. Legursky can't...He couldn't at his proday. Part of the stiffness he has because of his weight training.

Stewie
05-11-2010, 03:57 PM
Urbik a lock??? Put down the pipe. Do it NOW!!!

Polamalu43: Ed, you said in last weeks chat that Pouncy, Essex and Foster will be going for RG position, what about Urbik and rookie Scott?

Ed Bouchette: You can include every guard on the roster if you want, but I gave you the three legit names I believe have a real chance, and I'm going with Pouncey.

http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=52351

devilsdancefloor
05-13-2010, 10:18 PM
Out of 53 guys, can we please find someone to be long snapper so we doin't have to carry a specialist? That drive me insane.
I think James Harrison can long snap.

we just have to make sure sep is 40 yards behind the line of scrimmage before we put deebo in to long snap.

Captain Lemming
05-15-2010, 11:49 PM
And I agree, I hate specialists, until James Harrison snaps.

No matter is the center for the kicking game, we all know its just a matter of time before Harrison "snaps" again. :)

hawaiiansteel
05-16-2010, 03:07 AM
Guessing the 53-man Roster, Post-Minicamp Edition

by barnerburner on May 10, 2010


Finals are over so I'm back after a brief hiatus (not that anyone's likely noticed or cared) and I'm bored. This is my still very early but further revised attempt to guess next season's 53-man roster based on last year's squad, free agency, the draft, and mandatory minicamp (previous attempt is here if anyone's curious, and my first attempt is similarly linked there if anyone's really curious or bored and wants to see how things have evolved). In this edition I've also added a Nota Bene section after Changes.

Changes:

1). WR has gone from 6 to 5 deep - Limas, Limas, Limas. I was really pulling for him. And for some reason I like him enough as an underdog, underachieving former second rounder that I will keep pulling for him next year. I refuse to throw him on the trash heap as a worthless player with no place in the league. But I have to be realistic: with surgery to repair that torn Achilles, he's guaranteed to miss training camp and probably the bulk, if not all, of next season. I mentioned in this comment to my last version that I really didn't think we'd be 6 deep at WR, and that I think we'd have another RB/FB instead. I'm going to stick by that for now, which brings me to change #2.

2). Isaac Redman penciled in as another RB - I know I technically put him as backup FB, but with the way I did my chart, that was the open slot for him. In a roundabout way, I think Redman and Stefan Logan are the two guys whose odds for making the team went up the most after Sweed's injury. RB is a position where your solid depth one day can be absolutely decimated by injuries the next (remember how Parker and Mendenhall went down and Gary Russell got called up back in the day?) Redman showed great tenacity in those now legendary goal-line drills last training camp, and put in a year on the Practice Squad. If he's done his work this offseason he's going to get a fair shot to make the roster.

But I will admit that I'm not sure if he brings anything new to the table. Mendenhall isn't a burner, Moore has long been a "utility back", I've heard about Dwyer being "well rounded" but not having a "second gear", and Summers is built to move a mass of humanity rather than break a run around it. Likewise, Redman shined in goal-line/short yardage situations, but I don't remember him doing much else beyond that. That's why I think Logan's chances for making the team went up quite a bit - he's got speed and shiftiness that no one else in the backfield has, and Tomlin did mention trying to find ways to work him into the actual offense. So do I now like Logan's chances for making the team again? No. I just think his chances are much better than they were before, in an odd and convoluted way.

3). Swapping Keenan Lewis and Joe Burnett on the CB depth chart - Minor change, based entirely on tannofsteel84's post this morning. Apparently CBSSports.com has put the scuttlebutt out there that Lewis has begun to emerge as something of a darkhorse to push Bryant McFadden for a starting spot, even though everyone's pretty sure that McFadden will reprise his starting role. In loosely related news, B-Mac also paid Lewis an undetermined amount to get his No. 20 back, and Lewis will now be No. 23.

4). Justin Vincent penciled in back on the Practice Squad - It may seem an inconsequential change, but it's a change nonetheless. Bumping Redman up left a void, and if Vincent has one more year of PS eligibility, he'll get the spot.

5). Demetrius Taylor penciled in at "question mark" for FB on both the 53 and the Practice Squad - If you thought the last change was inconsequential, then this probably seems completely irrelevant. But the Pittsburgh Post Gazette article on him that was in a six-pack last week really got me thinking, so he gets a mention just for being on my radar (and the only UDFA on my radar right now).

Nota Bene:

1). Matt Spaeth's "blocking" has given many Steelers fans some serious heartburn during his tenure in black and gold. But even if Sean McHugh is healthy, I don't think it's a slam dunk that Spaeth will then be cut. Much to the consternation of many people out there, I think he will be back and here's why: Pouncey and Kugler will make the offensive line better.

What does that have to do with shaking out the TE depth chart? Well if the o-line's blocking improves, then when we're in 2-3 TE sets we don't have to keep them all in to block as much (Spaeth's weakness). But if he can release more often and use his 6'7 frame to create proper mismatches in coverage down field, especially in the red zone, he can return to what earned him First Team AP All-American honors and the John Mackey Award for best TE in 2006 (despite playing with a separated shoulder the last month of the season). You can't teach height, and Sweed's injury means that our tallest receiver is likely going to be Arnaz Battle at 6'1. There are going to be times when we just need big targets, and Heath Miller can't do it all on his own.

That being said, McHugh's skill set seems very similar to Johnson's. McHugh has more experience, but I don't know if that will be enough to break back in to the lineup. I will admit the possibility of having all four of them (GASP!) on the roster instead of Redman filling Sweed's vacancy. But I don't really like that idea and am already regretting even bringing it up.

2). There's been a bit of a Stevenson Sylvester love fest (or was a week or two ago but whatever), and I don't exactly know why. Well I do know why, I saw a few of his highlight videos from Utah that were posted around here and admittedly was impressed by some of the stuff he did. But all of the "we can't afford to cut our defense's future starting ILB because another team is definitely going to snatch him up and he'll never make it to the practice squad" is a bit premature. Remember the Redman love fest? How "we can't afford to cut a clear goal line stud that's going to tear up the league because another team is definitely going to snatch him up and he'll never make it to the practice squad"?

The Redman love fest was largely based on his performance on the field against our first team defense in training camp. The Sylvester love fest is based on his cherry picked college highlight reel when training camp is still three months away. I think Sylvester the Cat has good potential down the line and was a solid find in the 5th round, but some of this talk about him is very premature. I'm not saying that he won't be a future starting ILB for our defense - I'm saying that right now we don't have the evidence to make any claims like that. Let's wait until he shows what he can do for us with the pads on.





Offense 25
Position Starter Backup Depth ? (in the mix but not on)

QB Ben Roethlisberger Dennis Dixon Byron Leftwich Charlie Batch
RB Rashard Mendenhall Mewelde Moore Jonathan Dwyer (R) Stefan Logan
FB Frank Summers Isaac Redman Demetrius Taylor (R)
WR1 Hines Ward Antwaan Randle El Arnaz Battle
WR2 Mike Wallace Emmanuel Sanders (R)
TE Heath Miller David Johnson Matt Spaeth Sean McHugh
LT Max Starks Trai Essex
LG Chris Kemoeatu Kraig Urbik
C Justin Hartwig Doug Legursky
RG Maurkice Pouncey (R) Ramon Foster
RT Willie Colon Jonathan Scott

Defense 25
Position Starter Backup Depth ?

LDE Aaron Smith Ziggy Hood Ra'Shon Harris
NT Casey Hampton Chris Hoke
RDE Brett Keisel Nick Eason
LOLB LaMarr Woodley [old body] Thaddeus Gibson (R) Andre Frazier
LILB James Farrior Keyaron Fox Patrick Bailey
RILB Lawrence Timmons Larry Foote
ROLB James Harrison Jason Worilds (R)
CB1 Ike Taylor William Gay Joe Burnett
SS Troy Polamalu Will Allen
FS Ryan Clark Ryan Mundy
CB2 Bryant McFadden Keenan Lewis


Specialists 3 ?

P Daniel Sepulveda
K Jeff Reed
LS Greg Warren Jared Retkofsky
Pants Squad 8 ?
DL Steve McClendon
DL Doug Worthington (R)
LB Stevenson Sylvester (R)
OL Chris Scott (R)
RB Justin Vincent Demetrius Taylor (R)
TE Eugene Bright
WR Tyler Grisham Antonio Brown (R)
DB Crezdon Butler (R)


Offensive Breakdown:

QB (3) - Only question here is who goes to make room for Big Ben when he comes back from his dates with Dr Drew.

RB (3) - There's going to be a new body - likely Jonathan Dwyer - behind Mendenhall and Moore. I don't think Logan will be reprising a "returner only" role.

FB (2) - Assumption is that Summers is going to be healthy and back up to speed. Redman adds more depth to the backfield (see Changes section at the top for why I listed him at FB).

WR (5) - We're no longer rolling deep because Limas Sweed assuredly won't be healthy enough to make the cut this year (this humble, hopeful soul is now hoping for next year). Ward and Wallace are set in stone, and Randle El is even odds to make it back. After going out and grabbing Battle in free agency as well, and with his purported strong special teams play, I'd be pretty surprised if he was left off. As a third round pick, Sanders is high enough that he's a safe bet to make it.

TE (3) - Miller is a lock and I think Johnson is a safe bet as well. I think Spaeth will be back for one more year as well (see Nota Bene section above). McHugh remains very much in the mix though under my question mark category.

OL (9) - Breakdown is four tackles, four guards, and one center.

At tackle, Starks and Colon are the clear starters. Free agent Jonathan Scott - a Kugler signee - becomes the primary backup, and Essex returns to his familiar role of being the position flexible backup.

At guard, Kemoeatu is at left and I'm confident Pouncey can be penciled in at right. Foster has to be back after the solid year he had, and Urbik should get at least another year to develop. Or not if he wants to be Tony Hills future roommate.

At center, Hartwig starts but behind him things are interesting. Stapleton is gone, Legursky remains, but with 9 guys already in the position unit, I think Legursky might get cut as well. That then makes Pouncey the presumed backup at his future spot.

Defensive Breakdown:

DL (7) - Breaks down into five ends and two nose tackles. Hampton and Hoke are back, it's a given. Smith and Keisel are locked back in to start, Hood continues to round into shape getting to rotate in, Eason gets called back as a "savvy veteran" for the rotation as well, and Harris (as we learned the hard way last year) is too good to try to stash away and merits a roster spot again. Kirschke stays in limbo without a contract and we thank him again and wish him the best.

LB (9) - This is actually kinda hard to pin down, in my mind. I believe we had 9 LBs after final cuts last year, so I'm using that as my start point. There are 7 locks: Silverback, Woodley, and now Worilds at OLB; and Farrior, Timmons, Fox, and Foote at ILB.

That leaves two spots, and I think one should go to a veteran and one should go to someone new. Fourth rounder Thaddeus Gibson could be that someone new, so what about someone old? Andre Frazier is a long-time reliable backup at OLB that knows LeBeau's system and is a safety net, but Patrick Bailey is a hard-nosed special teamer that might be tougher than expected to leave off despite his lack of contributing as an actual LB (so far as I know). If neither Gibson nor Sylvester the Cat nor some other hotshot rookie tears up camp, both might end up being back to round out the linebacking corps.

DB (9) - Position group is 9 deep out of necessity - five corners and four safeties. Ike is on one side, and McFadden should be back on the other. William Gay gets to return to the nickel role where he's more comfortable, Joe Burnett remains status quo behind Gay, and Keenan Lewis is back because of his size and hopefully because he's improved enough to get to see some field time. Some might say Anthony Madison should get a spot for his special teams play, but with the free agent signings (Battle and Allen) and draft picks like Worilds who are expected to excel on ST while they develop, I think Madison's inability to be a legitimate backup at corner tips the balance and he unfortunately gets cut again. Thanks for more than a decade of service Deshea.

Troy and Clark are starting at safety, that's a given. Will Allen is the primary back up and a special teams ace, and I'd be surprised if someone beats out Mundy for the last safety spot because despite his shortcomings thus far, he does have experience in the system and that does count for a bit. Former Thorpe winner Tyrone Carter, thank you for your years of service as well. (Note - we didn't take a safety in the second round because, among other reasons, there is likely no space on the roster for him)

Specialists Breakdown:

Not much to break down - we'll have Robopunter, a guy with funny hair who has very special interactions with paper towel dispensers, and someone not named James Harrison as longsnapper. But it should be noted that two years running now, Jared Retkofsky has been called midseason to replace an injured Greg Warren. Will we make it three? Will Warren's ACLs decide to hold together for 17 weeks for a change of pace and Retkofsky gets to keep moving furniture? Or will Retkofsky get the job in training camp and Warren gets thanked for his years of service?

Pants Squad Breakdown:

Half rookies, half retreads.

Steve McClendon should be a safe bet to come back, remembering John Mitchell's comments about last year's rookie defensive lineman as a group (Ziggy, Harris, and McClendon) being one of the best groups he's had. Incidentally, McClendon has been Ziggy's offseason workout buddy. Tyler Grisham will probably return to the squad despite the late call up last season. Eugene Bright is penciled in because there will definitely be a TE on the practice squad, and as of right now it's him by default. There will also definitely be a RB, and Vincent currently has the nod.

Doug Worthington is the latest addition to Mitchell's conversion program, and he really does sound like a future 3-4 DE in the making. Chris Scott sounds like a serviceable OL prospect as well, but he'd have to seriously outshine Urbik to be considered for the active roster, so I'm calling him a pants squad lock right now. Stevenson Sylvester and Crezdon Butler, a pair of very fun names, have the nominal inside tracks for LB and DB on the pants squad since they were drafted.

Conclusions:

Surprise, surprise - there really aren't many open spots on the team.

Sweed's injury means we're back to two open spots on offense - at least one of which is at RB and Dwyer is likely on the inside track to take it. And only three spots on defense seem to be in play as well - though at least one of the two spots at LB is assured to go to a veteran, and if the coaching staff still likes Burnett/Lewis, then there might not be an opening at corner after all. Actually doing this breakdown also makes Worilds at OLB in the second a crystal clear sorely needed depth pick, as many people have already said, and I will always trust Colbert's board over mine so I'm 100% behind it.

Moral of the story - there are going to be a lot of sad rookies in Latrobe. Just about all of our UDFAs are guaranteed to NOT make the roster, along with most of our 3rd day picks. As a result, training camp should be that much more intense this year. And who knows, out of the fire and carnage and brutal competition, maybe someone will be galvanized and emerge as something really special.

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com...an-roster-post

Stewie
05-16-2010, 04:42 PM
I share the sentiment:

Moral of the story - there are going to be a lot of sad rookies in Latrobe. Just about all of our UDFAs are guaranteed to NOT make the roster, along with most of our 3rd day picks. As a result, training camp should be that much more intense this year. And who knows, out of the fire and carnage

But Urbik is simply too slow and too soft to make the squad.

RuthlessBurgher
05-16-2010, 10:50 PM
Even with a roster exemption for Ben Roethlisberger for the first month of the season, I really struggled with my final cut...which of the day 3 draft picks would make it and which would not (I assumed that our picks in the first 3 rounds make the team).

I penciled Thaddeus Gibson in (we rarely cut 4th round picks coming out of camp unless they are useless WR's like Danny Farmer or Fred Gibson) plus he has more upside than Andre Frazier or Patrick Bailey.

I also penciled in Jonathan Dwyer...steal of a pick where we got him...should have been a day 2 guy based on his talent and production...there will be an adjustment coming from a triple option offense, but he should be able to contribute as a reserve RB as a rookie.

I decided to relegate Doug Worthington to the practice squad...not that I don't like him as a prospect...he's got the body of a NFL 3-4 DE already and has the requesite work ethic as well, but it is simply a numbers game for him, and 3-4 DE's take time to learn the position (even though he played a similar role at OSU), so he could spend his first year at LeBeau University on the practice squad getting to know the defense. Those 3 were relatively easy decisions.

The hard part comes when deciding between Chris Scott as a 10th o-lineman, Crezdon Butler as a 10th defensive back, Stevenson Sylvester as a 9th linebacker, and Antonio Brown as a 6th wide receiver. I think Scott and Brown get position flexibility edges (Scott can play guard and tackle and Brown is an accomplished return man as well as a receiver). It’s difficult to guess whether Butler or Sylvester would contribute more to kick and punt coverage teams. I give the edge to Sylvester, because we have more young CB prospects that are capable of contributing on special teams (Taylor, McFadden, Gay, Lewis, Burnett) ahead of him than we have young ILB prospects that are capable of contributing on special teams (Farrior, Timmons, Foote, Fox).

So without ado (or is it adieu?), here is my roster prediction for 2010 after the post-draft rookie minicamp but before the regular OTA sessions, which start this Tuesday and go on for 3 days per week for the next 4 weeks.

QB (2)

Kept:
Byron Leftwich
Dennis Dixon

Cut:
Charlie Batch

Roster Exemption to Start the Season:
Ben Roethlisberger

I think we are okay to run with just 2 QB’s for the first month of the season while Ben is out. In the unlikely event that both of them get injured in the same game, we have Antwaan Randle El who played QB at Indiana, Arnaz Battle who played QB at Notre Dame, and Hines Ward who played QB at Georgia. If either Leftwich or Dixon suffered a severe injury while Ben was suspended, we could always re-sign Batch off the street. I doubt that he is going to have other teams knocking down his door to bring him to their team and try to learn a new system in September when training camp is over and regular season games have already begun. When Ben comes back in October, we will have to make the decision to cut one of the guys on our roster who made the team coming out of training camp. They will likely keep Ben, Byron, and Dennis for the rest of the season, and cut an extra wideout, o-lineman, d-lineman, or linebacker at that point of the season.

RB (4)

Kept:
Rashard Mendenhall
Mewelde Moore
Jonathan Dwyer
Frank Summers (also FB)

Cut:
Justin Vincent
Stefan Logan

Practice Squad:
Isaac Redman
Demetrius Taylor

Mendy is the starter capable of being an every down back in this league, Moore is the veteran backup who can also handle 3rd down duties if needed, Dwyer is the up-and-coming rookie backup who can also handle short yardage duties if needed. Summers gets the edge over Redman once again on the basis of positional flexibility, but Red Zone Redman gets another shot at the practice squad while Vincent has already spent enough time on our P.S. and gets sent packing. Logan was a difficult cut…I have definitely been a supporter of his…but without a true regular position and other guys like Emmanuel Sanders, Antonio Brown, and Joe Burnett (plus Mike Wallace, although I doubt that we would give him return duties when he is adjusting to a starting WR role) who can return kicks and punts and provide depth elsewhere, Logan was a luxury that we couldn’t afford to keep for another year (perhaps we try to trade him for a future draft pick to a team that is hungry for a quality returner before we flat out cut him). Taylor is in the process of making the interesting conversion from d-line to fullback. He’s not ready yet, though…a year on the practice squad might get us the true fullback next year that Arians swore he would never employ.

WR (6)

Kept:
Hines Ward
Mike Wallace
Antwaan Randle El
Arnaz Battle
Emmanuel Sanders
Antonio Brown

Cut:
Jason Chery
Brandon London
Isaiah Williams

Injured Reserve:
Limas Sweed

Practice Squad:
Tyler Grisham

Two starters, two veteran backups, and two rookies with promise…I like that dynamic. I would prefer to keep a tall WR on the practice squad (since we don’t have any of those) but I think Brandon London used up his P.S. eligibility by spending 15 games on the Miami Dolphins 53 man roster a couple of years ago. Isaiah Williams has intriguing measureables for a big guy, but for him to be available so late in the process (we just picked him up when we put Sweed on I.R.), I doubt that he has the receiving chops to stick, so I’ll go with the little fella Grisham on the P.S. once again. Oh well...I tried.

TE (3)

Kept:
Heath Miller
Matt Spaeth
David Johnson (also FB)

Cut:
Sean McHugh
Eugene Bright

It was tough deciding between Johnson and McHugh. But McHugh is coming off an injury, while Johnson isn’t. McHugh is also 5 years older than Johnson. And considering that the 3rd TE is used as more of a hybrid FB/H-back type in this offense than doing what Heath Miller does for us, Johnson’s compact body style (6’1” 260 lbs.) seems to suit him more in a lead back role than McHugh’s lankier frame (6’5” 265 lbs.).

OL (10)
Max Starks
Chris Kemoeatu
Justin Hartwig
Maurkice Pouncey
Willie Colon
Trai Essex
Doug Legursky
Ramon Foster
Kraig Urbik
Chris Scott

Cut:
Tony Hills
Jonathan Scott
Kyle Jolly
Dorian Brooks
Bradley Vierling

Surprised that I cut the two former Texas OT’s and kept the two former Tennessee OG/OT’s? Tony Hills had his time and hasn’t done anything with it. Jon Scott followed Kugler here from Buffalo, but he only got a one-year minimum deal (all of the other free agents we signed got 3 year deals for decent money, so that is not a ringing endorsement). And with how bad things are at tackle in Buffalo, if he were any good, they should have tried to keep him for a few dollars more than we were willing to play. So, now, to back up our tackles, we have three guys who have the positional flexibility to play both guard and tackle, Trai Essex, Ramon Foster, and Chris Scott. Is it risky to not have any other true tackles except for your starters? Perhaps, but I’m trying to pick the best guys, and the Texas tackles fell short in my mind. Kraig Urbik gets another year to prove if he could possibly be the RG of the future in the Kugler scheme (after not looking all that hot in the former Zeirlein scheme). I think either Pouncey or Ramon Foster wins the starting RG position, and Essex (OT/OG) and Legursky (OC/OG) are the swing back-ups on gameday.

DL (7)

Aaron Smith
Casey Hampton
Brett Keisel
Ziggy Hood
Chris Hoke
Nick Eason
Sonny Harris

Cut:
Steve McLendon
Scott Paxson

Practice Squad:
Doug Worthington
Cordarrow Thompson

The starters are set and we know that Ziggy will back up Aaron and Hoke will back up Casey. The team likely wants to keep a veteran DE (and Nick Eason at 29 is not on his last legs like Travis Kirschke at 35), but they also do not want to expose Harris again like last year, when we lost him to the Panthers when we tried to put him on our practice squad (before getting him back later in the season). I think Worthington has intriguing upside as a 3-4 DE of the future, and Taco Thompson may be worth seasoning (see what I did there? Cute, huh?) on the practice squad as well. McLendon and Paxson have had their opportunities over the past few preseasons, and have not grabbed a hold of a spot.

LB (9)
James Harrison
Lawrence Timmons
James Farrior
LaMarr Woodley
Jason Worilds
Larry Foote
Keyaron Fox
Thaddeus Gibson
Stevenson Sylvester

Cut:
Andre Frazier
Patrick Bailey
Derrick Doggett
Johnny Williams
Renauld Williams

Practice Squad:
Lindsey Witten

Frazier and Bailey were valuable special teamers during their time here, but I think that Worilds, Gibson, and Sylvester (not to mention special teams captain Key Fox) will be valuable contributors on special teams as well, in addition to providing quality depth in our regular defense as well. I am very much intrigued by Lindsey Witten. With a year on the practice squad, he may turn out to be as good, if not better prospect at OLB for us as Thad Gibson. He is worth keeping around on the P.S. for a year.

DB (9)
Ike Taylor
Troy Polamalu
Ryan Clark
Bryant McFadden
William Gay
Keenan Lewis
Joe Burnett
Will Allen
Ryan Mundy

Cut:
David Pittman
Trae Williams
Tuff Harris
Anthony Madison
Justin Thornton

Practice Squad:
Crezdon Butler
Da’Mon Cromartie-Smith

As mentioned earlier, I did not want to cut Butler, but with 5 CB’s ahead of him on the depth chart, it was doable. Tough call, though. I doubt that Cromartie-Smith is able to take Mundy’s job coming out of camp this year, but after a year on the practice squad, he may be ready to move up to the active roster. It’s tough to say goodbye to a special teams stalwart like Madison, but with so much youth in our secondary, we should be able to get plenty of special teams production out of those guys.

Specialists (3)

Kept:
Jeff Reed
Daniel Sepulveda
Greg Warren

Cut:
Piotr Czech
Adam Graessle
Jared Retkofsky

That gives us a 53 man roster and an 8 man practice squad to start the season. I’m sure this will get blown to bits when we actually see some of these guys out there in pads hitting each other. There will probably be a UDFA who comes out of the woodwork and shines and makes the team (seems to happen quite often around these parts), even if I didn’t pick any of them to make our final 53 (I chose UDFA’s Demetrius Taylor, Cordarrow Thompson, Lindsey Witten, and Da’Mon Cromartie-Smith to make the practice squad, though, joining draft picks Doug Worthington and Crezdon Butler as well as 2nd year holdovers Isaac Redman and Tyler Gresham, who were UDFA’s after the last draft in 2009).

SteelBucks
05-16-2010, 11:52 PM
OK, I may be a homer, but I'm hoping Doug Worthington get's a chance to make this team. At OSU, he was solid against the run, ate up blocks so others can make plays and he was relentless on every down. IMO, he is a perfect lineman for the 3-4.

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Oviedo
05-17-2010, 08:18 AM
Even with a roster exemption for Ben Roethlisberger for the first month of the season, I really struggled with my final cut...which of the day 3 draft picks would make it and which would not (I assumed that our picks in the first 3 rounds make the team).

I penciled Thaddeus Gibson in (we rarely cut 4th round picks coming out of camp unless they are useless WR's like Danny Farmer or Fred Gibson) plus he has more upside than Andre Frazier or Patrick Bailey.

I also penciled in Jonathan Dwyer...steal of a pick where we got him...should have been a day 2 guy based on his talent and production...there will be an adjustment coming from a triple option offense, but he should be able to contribute as a reserve RB as a rookie.

I decided to relegate Doug Worthington to the practice squad...not that I don't like him as a prospect...he's got the body of a NFL 3-4 DE already and has the requesite work ethic as well, but it is simply a numbers game for him, and 3-4 DE's take time to learn the position (even though he played a similar role at OSU), so he could spend his first year at LeBeau University on the practice squad getting to know the defense. Those 3 were relatively easy decisions.

The hard part comes when deciding between Chris Scott as a 10th o-lineman, Crezdon Butler as a 10th defensive back, Stevenson Sylvester as a 9th linebacker, and Antonio Brown as a 6th wide receiver. I think Scott and Brown get position flexibility edges (Scott can play guard and tackle and Brown is an accomplished return man as well as a receiver). It’s difficult to guess whether Butler or Sylvester would contribute more to kick and punt coverage teams. I give the edge to Sylvester, because we have more young CB prospects that are capable of contributing on special teams (Taylor, McFadden, Gay, Lewis, Burnett) ahead of him than we have young ILB prospects that are capable of contributing on special teams (Farrior, Timmons, Foote, Fox).

So without ado (or is it adieu?), here is my roster prediction for 2010 after the post-draft rookie minicamp but before the regular OTA sessions, which start this Tuesday and go on for 3 days per week for the next 4 weeks.

QB (2)

Kept:
Byron Leftwich
Dennis Dixon

Cut:
Charlie Batch

Roster Exemption to Start the Season:
Ben Roethlisberger

I think we are okay to run with just 2 QB’s for the first month of the season while Ben is out. In the unlikely event that both of them get injured in the same game, we have Antwaan Randle El who played QB at Indiana, Arnaz Battle who played QB at Notre Dame, and Hines Ward who played QB at Georgia. If either Leftwich or Dixon suffered a severe injury while Ben was suspended, we could always re-sign Batch off the street. I doubt that he is going to have other teams knocking down his door to bring him to their team and try to learn a new system in September when training camp is over and regular season games have already begun. When Ben comes back in October, we will have to make the decision to cut one of the guys on our roster who made the team coming out of training camp. They will likely keep Ben, Byron, and Dennis for the rest of the season, and cut an extra wideout, o-lineman, d-lineman, or linebacker at that point of the season.

RB (4)

Kept:
Rashard Mendenhall
Mewelde Moore
Jonathan Dwyer
Frank Summers (also FB)

Cut:
Justin Vincent
Stefan Logan

Practice Squad:
Isaac Redman
Demetrius Taylor

Mendy is the starter capable of being an every down back in this league, Moore is the veteran backup who can also handle 3rd down duties if needed, Dwyer is the up-and-coming rookie backup who can also handle short yardage duties if needed. Summers gets the edge over Redman once again on the basis of positional flexibility, but Red Zone Redman gets another shot at the practice squad while Vincent has already spent enough time on our P.S. and gets sent packing. Logan was a difficult cut…I have definitely been a supporter of his…but without a true regular position and other guys like Emmanuel Sanders, Antonio Brown, and Joe Burnett (plus Mike Wallace, although I doubt that we would give him return duties when he is adjusting to a starting WR role) who can return kicks and punts and provide depth elsewhere, Logan was a luxury that we couldn’t afford to keep for another year (perhaps we try to trade him for a future draft pick to a team that is hungry for a quality returner before we flat out cut him). Taylor is in the process of making the interesting conversion from d-line to fullback. He’s not ready yet, though…a year on the practice squad might get us the true fullback next year that Arians swore he would never employ.

WR (6)

Kept:
Hines Ward
Mike Wallace
Antwaan Randle El
Arnaz Battle
Emmanuel Sanders
Antonio Brown

Cut:
Jason Chery
Brandon London
Isaiah Williams

Injured Reserve:
Limas Sweed

Practice Squad:
Tyler Grisham

Two starters, two veteran backups, and two rookies with promise…I like that dynamic. I would prefer to keep a tall WR on the practice squad (since we don’t have any of those) but I think Brandon London used up his P.S. eligibility by spending 15 games on the Miami Dolphins 53 man roster a couple of years ago. Isaiah Williams has intriguing measureables for a big guy, but for him to be available so late in the process (we just picked him up when we put Sweed on I.R.), I doubt that he has the receiving chops to stick, so I’ll go with the little fella Grisham on the P.S. once again. Oh well...I tried.

TE (3)

Kept:
Heath Miller
Matt Spaeth
David Johnson (also FB)

Cut:
Sean McHugh
Eugene Bright

It was tough deciding between Johnson and McHugh. But McHugh is coming off an injury, while Johnson isn’t. McHugh is also 5 years older than Johnson. And considering that the 3rd TE is used as more of a hybrid FB/H-back type in this offense than doing what Heath Miller does for us, Johnson’s compact body style (6’1” 260 lbs.) seems to suit him more in a lead back role than McHugh’s lankier frame (6’5” 265 lbs.).

OL (10)
Max Starks
Chris Kemoeatu
Justin Hartwig
Maurkice Pouncey
Willie Colon
Trai Essex
Doug Legursky
Ramon Foster
Kraig Urbik
Chris Scott

Cut:
Tony Hills
Jonathan Scott
Kyle Jolly
Dorian Brooks
Bradley Vierling

Surprised that I cut the two former Texas OT’s and kept the two former Tennessee OG/OT’s? Tony Hills had his time and hasn’t done anything with it. Jon Scott followed Kugler here from Buffalo, but he only got a one-year minimum deal (all of the other free agents we signed got 3 year deals for decent money, so that is not a ringing endorsement). And with how bad things are at tackle in Buffalo, if he were any good, they should have tried to keep him for a few dollars more than we were willing to play. So, now, to back up our tackles, we have three guys who have the positional flexibility to play both guard and tackle, Trai Essex, Ramon Foster, and Chris Scott. Is it risky to not have any other true tackles except for your starters? Perhaps, but I’m trying to pick the best guys, and the Texas tackles fell short in my mind. Kraig Urbik gets another year to prove if he could possibly be the RG of the future in the Kugler scheme (after not looking all that hot in the former Zeirlein scheme). I think either Pouncey or Ramon Foster wins the starting RG position, and Essex (OT/OG) and Legursky (OC/OG) are the swing back-ups on gameday.

DL (7)

Aaron Smith
Casey Hampton
Brett Keisel
Ziggy Hood
Chris Hoke
Nick Eason
Sonny Harris

Cut:
Steve McLendon
Scott Paxson

Practice Squad:
Doug Worthington
Cordarrow Thompson

The starters are set and we know that Ziggy will back up Aaron and Hoke will back up Casey. The team likely wants to keep a veteran DE (and Nick Eason at 29 is not on his last legs like Travis Kirschke at 35), but they also do not want to expose Harris again like last year, when we lost him to the Panthers when we tried to put him on our practice squad (before getting him back later in the season). I think Worthington has intriguing upside as a 3-4 DE of the future, and Taco Thompson may be worth seasoning (see what I did there? Cute, huh?) on the practice squad as well. McLendon and Paxson have had their opportunities over the past few preseasons, and have not grabbed a hold of a spot.

LB (9)
James Harrison
Lawrence Timmons
James Farrior
LaMarr Woodley
Jason Worilds
Larry Foote
Keyaron Fox
Thaddeus Gibson
Stevenson Sylvester

Cut:
Andre Frazier
Patrick Bailey
Derrick Doggett
Johnny Williams
Renauld Williams

Practice Squad:
Lindsey Witten

Frazier and Bailey were valuable special teamers during their time here, but I think that Worilds, Gibson, and Sylvester (not to mention special teams captain Key Fox) will be valuable contributors on special teams as well, in addition to providing quality depth in our regular defense as well. I am very much intrigued by Lindsey Witten. With a year on the practice squad, he may turn out to be as good, if not better prospect at OLB for us as Thad Gibson. He is worth keeping around on the P.S. for a year.

DB (9)
Ike Taylor
Troy Polamalu
Ryan Clark
Bryant McFadden
William Gay
Keenan Lewis
Joe Burnett
Will Allen
Ryan Mundy

Cut:
David Pittman
Trae Williams
Tuff Harris
Anthony Madison
Justin Thornton

Practice Squad:
Crezdon Butler
Da’Mon Cromartie-Smith

As mentioned earlier, I did not want to cut Butler, but with 5 CB’s ahead of him on the depth chart, it was doable. Tough call, though. I doubt that Cromartie-Smith is able to take Mundy’s job coming out of camp this year, but after a year on the practice squad, he may be ready to move up to the active roster. It’s tough to say goodbye to a special teams stalwart like Madison, but with so much youth in our secondary, we should be able to get plenty of special teams production out of those guys.

Specialists (3)

Kept:
Jeff Reed
Daniel Sepulveda
Greg Warren

Cut:
Piotr Czech
Adam Graessle
Jared Retkofsky

That gives us a 53 man roster and an 8 man practice squad to start the season. I’m sure this will get blown to bits when we actually see some of these guys out there in pads hitting each other. There will probably be a UDFA who comes out of the woodwork and shines and makes the team (seems to happen quite often around these parts), even if I didn’t pick any of them to make our final 53 (I chose UDFA’s Demetrius Taylor, Cordarrow Thompson, Lindsey Witten, and Da’Mon Cromartie-Smith to make the practice squad, though, joining draft picks Doug Worthington and Crezdon Butler as well as 2nd year holdovers Isaac Redman and Tyler Gresham, who were UDFA’s after the last draft in 2009).

Very good assessment. The only areas I would diasagree with is;

OL-Jonathon Scott--his old OL coach did not bring him in to cut. he can play both LT and RT. He won't get cut. Chris Scott goes to the Practice Squad.

DL-Doug Worthington will be this year's Sunny Harris. If they try to send him to the PS there is a good chance he gets taken like Harris did. They obviously like Harris because they wanted to keep him and got him back as soon as they could. I could see Eason losing his position to Worthington with the team taking the risk that they can get by with the young guys.

TE-I think McHigh is the better keep than David Johnson. McHugh can pay a real TE role in the event of injury to Miller or Spaeth plus McHugh was a very effective lead blocker during our Super Bowl run...actually better than anything Johnson showed last season. Johnson offers nothing if he has to play TE in the event of injury.

DB-If one of the other DBs show that they can swing between CB and S then I think that Butler is kept over Mundy. Mundy has not shown much the last couple of seasons. he has had planty of opportunties to seize the day, but he hasn't. I've always pulled for Mundy but his window of opportunity may be closing.

hawaiiansteel
05-22-2010, 04:44 PM
looks like Keyaron Fox is trying to increase his chances of making the team by showing off his position flexibility...

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/teamphotos/nfl/20100430/GYI0060316983_team.jpg

jj28west
05-22-2010, 05:00 PM
Even with a roster exemption for Ben Roethlisberger for the first month of the season, I really struggled with my final cut...which of the day 3 draft picks would make it and which would not (I assumed that our picks in the first 3 rounds make the team).

I penciled Thaddeus Gibson in (we rarely cut 4th round picks coming out of camp unless they are useless WR's like Danny Farmer or Fred Gibson) plus he has more upside than Andre Frazier or Patrick Bailey.

I also penciled in Jonathan Dwyer...steal of a pick where we got him...should have been a day 2 guy based on his talent and production...there will be an adjustment coming from a triple option offense, but he should be able to contribute as a reserve RB as a rookie.

I decided to relegate Doug Worthington to the practice squad...not that I don't like him as a prospect...he's got the body of a NFL 3-4 DE already and has the requesite work ethic as well, but it is simply a numbers game for him, and 3-4 DE's take time to learn the position (even though he played a similar role at OSU), so he could spend his first year at LeBeau University on the practice squad getting to know the defense. Those 3 were relatively easy decisions.

The hard part comes when deciding between Chris Scott as a 10th o-lineman, Crezdon Butler as a 10th defensive back, Stevenson Sylvester as a 9th linebacker, and Antonio Brown as a 6th wide receiver. I think Scott and Brown get position flexibility edges (Scott can play guard and tackle and Brown is an accomplished return man as well as a receiver). It’s difficult to guess whether Butler or Sylvester would contribute more to kick and punt coverage teams. I give the edge to Sylvester, because we have more young CB prospects that are capable of contributing on special teams (Taylor, McFadden, Gay, Lewis, Burnett) ahead of him than we have young ILB prospects that are capable of contributing on special teams (Farrior, Timmons, Foote, Fox).

So without ado (or is it adieu?), here is my roster prediction for 2010 after the post-draft rookie minicamp but before the regular OTA sessions, which start this Tuesday and go on for 3 days per week for the next 4 weeks.

QB (2)

Kept:
Byron Leftwich
Dennis Dixon

Cut:
Charlie Batch

Roster Exemption to Start the Season:
Ben Roethlisberger

I think we are okay to run with just 2 QB’s for the first month of the season while Ben is out. In the unlikely event that both of them get injured in the same game, we have Antwaan Randle El who played QB at Indiana, Arnaz Battle who played QB at Notre Dame, and Hines Ward who played QB at Georgia. If either Leftwich or Dixon suffered a severe injury while Ben was suspended, we could always re-sign Batch off the street. I doubt that he is going to have other teams knocking down his door to bring him to their team and try to learn a new system in September when training camp is over and regular season games have already begun. When Ben comes back in October, we will have to make the decision to cut one of the guys on our roster who made the team coming out of training camp. They will likely keep Ben, Byron, and Dennis for the rest of the season, and cut an extra wideout, o-lineman, d-lineman, or linebacker at that point of the season.

RB (4)

Kept:
Rashard Mendenhall
Mewelde Moore
Jonathan Dwyer
Frank Summers (also FB)

Cut:
Justin Vincent
Stefan Logan

Practice Squad:
Isaac Redman
Demetrius Taylor

Mendy is the starter capable of being an every down back in this league, Moore is the veteran backup who can also handle 3rd down duties if needed, Dwyer is the up-and-coming rookie backup who can also handle short yardage duties if needed. Summers gets the edge over Redman once again on the basis of positional flexibility, but Red Zone Redman gets another shot at the practice squad while Vincent has already spent enough time on our P.S. and gets sent packing. Logan was a difficult cut…I have definitely been a supporter of his…but without a true regular position and other guys like Emmanuel Sanders, Antonio Brown, and Joe Burnett (plus Mike Wallace, although I doubt that we would give him return duties when he is adjusting to a starting WR role) who can return kicks and punts and provide depth elsewhere, Logan was a luxury that we couldn’t afford to keep for another year (perhaps we try to trade him for a future draft pick to a team that is hungry for a quality returner before we flat out cut him). Taylor is in the process of making the interesting conversion from d-line to fullback. He’s not ready yet, though…a year on the practice squad might get us the true fullback next year that Arians swore he would never employ.

WR (6)

Kept:
Hines Ward
Mike Wallace
Antwaan Randle El
Arnaz Battle
Emmanuel Sanders
Antonio Brown

Cut:
Jason Chery
Brandon London
Isaiah Williams

Injured Reserve:
Limas Sweed

Practice Squad:
Tyler Grisham

Two starters, two veteran backups, and two rookies with promise…I like that dynamic. I would prefer to keep a tall WR on the practice squad (since we don’t have any of those) but I think Brandon London used up his P.S. eligibility by spending 15 games on the Miami Dolphins 53 man roster a couple of years ago. Isaiah Williams has intriguing measureables for a big guy, but for him to be available so late in the process (we just picked him up when we put Sweed on I.R.), I doubt that he has the receiving chops to stick, so I’ll go with the little fella Grisham on the P.S. once again. Oh well...I tried.

TE (3)

Kept:
Heath Miller
Matt Spaeth
David Johnson (also FB)

Cut:
Sean McHugh
Eugene Bright

It was tough deciding between Johnson and McHugh. But McHugh is coming off an injury, while Johnson isn’t. McHugh is also 5 years older than Johnson. And considering that the 3rd TE is used as more of a hybrid FB/H-back type in this offense than doing what Heath Miller does for us, Johnson’s compact body style (6’1” 260 lbs.) seems to suit him more in a lead back role than McHugh’s lankier frame (6’5” 265 lbs.).

OL (10)
Max Starks
Chris Kemoeatu
Justin Hartwig
Maurkice Pouncey
Willie Colon
Trai Essex
Doug Legursky
Ramon Foster
Kraig Urbik
Chris Scott

Cut:
Tony Hills
Jonathan Scott
Kyle Jolly
Dorian Brooks
Bradley Vierling

Surprised that I cut the two former Texas OT’s and kept the two former Tennessee OG/OT’s? Tony Hills had his time and hasn’t done anything with it. Jon Scott followed Kugler here from Buffalo, but he only got a one-year minimum deal (all of the other free agents we signed got 3 year deals for decent money, so that is not a ringing endorsement). And with how bad things are at tackle in Buffalo, if he were any good, they should have tried to keep him for a few dollars more than we were willing to play. So, now, to back up our tackles, we have three guys who have the positional flexibility to play both guard and tackle, Trai Essex, Ramon Foster, and Chris Scott. Is it risky to not have any other true tackles except for your starters? Perhaps, but I’m trying to pick the best guys, and the Texas tackles fell short in my mind. Kraig Urbik gets another year to prove if he could possibly be the RG of the future in the Kugler scheme (after not looking all that hot in the former Zeirlein scheme). I think either Pouncey or Ramon Foster wins the starting RG position, and Essex (OT/OG) and Legursky (OC/OG) are the swing back-ups on gameday.

DL (7)

Aaron Smith
Casey Hampton
Brett Keisel
Ziggy Hood
Chris Hoke
Nick Eason
Sonny Harris

Cut:
Steve McLendon
Scott Paxson

Practice Squad:
Doug Worthington
Cordarrow Thompson

The starters are set and we know that Ziggy will back up Aaron and Hoke will back up Casey. The team likely wants to keep a veteran DE (and Nick Eason at 29 is not on his last legs like Travis Kirschke at 35), but they also do not want to expose Harris again like last year, when we lost him to the Panthers when we tried to put him on our practice squad (before getting him back later in the season). I think Worthington has intriguing upside as a 3-4 DE of the future, and Taco Thompson may be worth seasoning (see what I did there? Cute, huh?) on the practice squad as well. McLendon and Paxson have had their opportunities over the past few preseasons, and have not grabbed a hold of a spot.

LB (9)
James Harrison
Lawrence Timmons
James Farrior
LaMarr Woodley
Jason Worilds
Larry Foote
Keyaron Fox
Thaddeus Gibson
Stevenson Sylvester

Cut:
Andre Frazier
Patrick Bailey
Derrick Doggett
Johnny Williams
Renauld Williams

Practice Squad:
Lindsey Witten

Frazier and Bailey were valuable special teamers during their time here, but I think that Worilds, Gibson, and Sylvester (not to mention special teams captain Key Fox) will be valuable contributors on special teams as well, in addition to providing quality depth in our regular defense as well. I am very much intrigued by Lindsey Witten. With a year on the practice squad, he may turn out to be as good, if not better prospect at OLB for us as Thad Gibson. He is worth keeping around on the P.S. for a year.

DB (9)
Ike Taylor
Troy Polamalu
Ryan Clark
Bryant McFadden
William Gay
Keenan Lewis
Joe Burnett
Will Allen
Ryan Mundy

Cut:
David Pittman
Trae Williams
Tuff Harris
Anthony Madison
Justin Thornton

Practice Squad:
Crezdon Butler
Da’Mon Cromartie-Smith

As mentioned earlier, I did not want to cut Butler, but with 5 CB’s ahead of him on the depth chart, it was doable. Tough call, though. I doubt that Cromartie-Smith is able to take Mundy’s job coming out of camp this year, but after a year on the practice squad, he may be ready to move up to the active roster. It’s tough to say goodbye to a special teams stalwart like Madison, but with so much youth in our secondary, we should be able to get plenty of special teams production out of those guys.

Specialists (3)

Kept:
Jeff Reed
Daniel Sepulveda
Greg Warren

Cut:
Piotr Czech
Adam Graessle
Jared Retkofsky

That gives us a 53 man roster and an 8 man practice squad to start the season. I’m sure this will get blown to bits when we actually see some of these guys out there in pads hitting each other. There will probably be a UDFA who comes out of the woodwork and shines and makes the team (seems to happen quite often around these parts), even if I didn’t pick any of them to make our final 53 (I chose UDFA’s Demetrius Taylor, Cordarrow Thompson, Lindsey Witten, and Da’Mon Cromartie-Smith to make the practice squad, though, joining draft picks Doug Worthington and Crezdon Butler as well as 2nd year holdovers Isaac Redman and Tyler Gresham, who were UDFA’s after the last draft in 2009).

Barring injury I think this prediction will be close to 100% on. Its difficult for me to do one because of emotion and the bias for players like Crezdon making the roster.

Steelerphile
05-22-2010, 07:49 PM
RuthlessBurger puts together a thoughtful post and it is a fun exercise during the offseason to make a final roster projection, but no way do I think he will be 100% correct.

The reason why I am waiting to formulate any kind of roster forecast is because I have yet to get a good look at the young players they have just brought in, nor can it be assumed that everyone that is a carryover from last year will be exactly as they were when 2009 ended. I assume the exact opposite personally. They all will be a little or lot different.

So I think there will be surprises. Players that weren't expected to progress, will and someone who seems assured of making the team right now, will not.

Everyone wants to write off Stefan Logan for example. But they are giving him some reps at RB now, his natural position and the 26.7 ave per KO over 55 returns could be missed. If they install someone who is giving them returns like Allen Rossum or Gary Russell did, and average 23.2 or 23.3 yards per return, they lose over the course of 55 returns 180 to 200 yards of field position. I don't think that should be lightly discarded. If the Steelers cut Logan, he will definitely help another team in the NFL.

It cannot be said that players like Mundy or Hills have had a great amount of playing time and reached their full potential. Although I think both of these guys need good camps to stay with the team.

Ruthless is probably mostly right, but I expect some surprises.

RuthlessBurgher
05-23-2010, 06:41 PM
After we see these guys in training camp with pads on and watch them play in 4 preseason games, I will likely give this projection another shot. And I doubt that even I will select 100% of same guys in August that I did in May, because I'll have much more information to go by several months from now. At this point, it's just a guessing game, but I tried to back up my guesses with some logic wherever applicable. We'll see how it turns out.

Discipline of Steel
05-23-2010, 07:20 PM
To be honest, I would give credit to all of the arguements. Ruthless 53 is very tight, I would accept Oviedos potential changes as also rational, and I have to argue for Stefan Logan who i think still has a good shot at making the team. If Logan did make the team, I would leave Antonio Brown off the roster. In fact, I dont see how they could count Brown as better than Logan for the final roster unless he shows he can break a franchise record as a returner.

hawaiiansteel
05-28-2010, 02:57 AM
Steelers Hotline 2010 Pre-Training Camp Roster Analysis

Harvey "Mr. Steeler" Aronson


Will Allen Allen comes over from Tampa during the off-season and will be a solid serviceable backup to Troy Polamalu and Ryan Clark.

Patrick Bailey Bailey stood out on special teams in 2009 and will find himself back on those units producing in 2010.

Charlie Batch Will the Steelers carry four quarterbacks into the season? I think not. I also think Charlie is the odd man out but I also think the Steelers should make him a coach or give him an opportunity in the organization.

Arnaz Battle When Battle as signed as a free agent this year, that was before the trade of Santonio Holmes and Limas Sweed's injury. Battle's skills certainly don't stand out but he should be a good short yardage guy. With Sweed and Holmes gone, he should make the team easy.

Eugene Bright Too many tight ends in the kitchen. He won't make the team.

Dorian Brooks Undrafted rookie trying to challenge some very worthy teammates. See ya Dorian.

Antonio Brown Unless Brown really impresses in training camp, the competition is way too steep for him to have a chance.

Joe Burnett This year is very huge for Burnett and Keenan Lewis. If they are to stay with the team, they must impress and showed that they learned something in their rookie campaigns. Burnett despite dropping a sure interception is the better of the two in my opinion.

Crezdon Butler If Butler has game, he will challenge Burnett and Lewis for a roster spot. I don't know enough about his college career so we will learn much about him at Latrobe this summer.

Jason Chery See Antonio Brown.

Willie Colon This could be a big year for Willie Colon. I certainly would not put him as one of the league's best but he can hold his own. Colon doesn't face much of a challenge from anyone behind him either. However, Jonathan Scott coming from Buffalo and Ramon Foster should battle for a starting role.

Da'Mon Cromartie-Smith Another undrafted rookie Cromartie-Smith is at an already very talented position in Pittsburgh.

Piotr Czech Czech put up a serious challenge to Jeff Reed last year but lost out. Now with Reed under a new contract, this year's competition is a moot point. Reed is staying Czech is going.

Dennis Dixon Can Dixon beat out Byron Leftwich? Based on the OTAs thus far, it seems Byron will be the starter come opening day. But Dixon has too much talent not to make the team.

Derrick Doggett A rookie coming in at linebacker? Anyone challenging the incumbents would have to be very special to make the team. I don't believe Doggett makes the regular roster.

Jonathan Dwyer Here's the darkhorse to the team. Much is expected of Dwyer and I believe he'll shine.

Nick Eason Eason is one of the younger veterans on the defensive line at 29 years old. Chris Hoke is 34, Aaron Smith 34, Casey Hampton 32, and Brett Keisel 31.

Trai Essex Essex is probably going to find himself battling top rookie Maurkice Pouncey and if all the hype about Pouncey is right Essex might be seeing the bench in 2010.

James Farrior Farrior's age showed terribly last season and with Larry Foote returning along some other promising young linebackers, Farrior might be in his last season wearing Black and Gold.

Larry Foote See above.

Ramon Foster As said before, Foster might challenge for a starting role and he was mildly impressive last year.

Keyaron Fox Fox started as a special teamer where he was special in Kansas City. Last year he got playing time at linebacker as well and performed like a starter. He'll be a factor in the defense again this season as well as on special teams.

Andre Frazier Frazier has been kept around for a reason. He's not starter worthy but in relief he does very well.

William Gay Oh boy. 2009's biggest disappointment? ABSOLUTELY. Coming off an impressive 2008 season Gay slid downhill fast right out of the gate. Many Steelers fans didn't want to see his return this year but the Steelers are giving him a second chance. If he doesn't show any competitive nature at St. Vincent's this year, he might not even make the team if those battling him are more impressive.

Adam Graessle Beat out Daniel Sepulveda? NOT. But competition is always good even if the odds are way in favor of the incumbent.

Tyler Grisham Grisham got a few chances last year and while every receiver drops a ball now and then, Grisham show the ability to get open and catch the ball. I think he might surprise a few this summer.

Casey Hampton Hampton got a new deal and he's worth it, overweight or not. The man can plug a hole. He is certainly in the top five of nose tackles in the NFL.

James Harrison Harrison is learning new techniques in OTAs and it will be interesting to see how they pan out when live action takes place. I think Harrison has a chip on his shoulder that he didn't play his best ball in 2009 coming off a M.V.P. year so I say "watch out" for Silverback this season.

Ra'Shon Harris Harris has nearly made the team several times in the past but with Ziggy Hood in the mix, I don't think he'll pass the test this year either.

Justin Hartwig Is Hartwig nearing the twilight of his career? Maurkice Pouncey was a center at the University of Florida but the Steelers apparently want him on the line so they will try him at guard. Hartwig might consider himself lucky for that. I think Pouncey could challenge the incumbent for his job and win. Hartwig certainly did not have a great season last year so he has much to prove.

Tony Hills I believe this is Hills' last chance to make the team. He was drafted two years ago and we have yet to hear anything about him. He has made next to nothing in creating waves on the line.

Chris Hoke Hoke is a decent backup but is getting way old for this game. I absolutely believe he won't be around to see the 2011 season.

Ziggy Hood I really like this kid. I loved the way he played at the tail end of last season. I believe he is a star in the making.

David Johnson Johnson excelled in blocking last season and for that I believe he makes the squad this year.

Kyle Jolly Who? All I know is that this kid wasn't drafted. No way does he make the team with the number of linemen ahead of him.

Brett Keisel "Keisel the Diesel" better have a decent season this year because if he doesn't, I think he might be looking at his last in the 'Burgh.

Chris Kemoeatu Kemoeatu was riding high before an injury in 2009 but from day one I liked this guy. He's an animal on the line using brute force and once he learned the game I knew he'd be special. I think this season he'll be better than ever.

Byron Leftwich Many fans hate the fact we have to go with Byron Leftwich in Ben Roethlisberger's absence. Opinionate what you want about Byron, I think if you put a strong line and running game ahead and behind him he can do damage. He's also slimmed down a few pounds this year and I think he seems to be in great shape. I'm not worried about Byron filling in if those two things I mentioned come to fruition.

Doug Legursky Legursky was very good in relief last year and if Pouncey does in fact play guard, Legursky should nail the backup role.

Keenan Lewis See Joe Burnett.

Brandon London So many wide receivers, so few slots for them. There isn't one reserved for this guy.

Anthony Madison Madison is a decent corner but like several other positions he faces still competition. To his credit he has experience in playing for this team behind him.

Bryant McFadden Welcome home #20! This acquisition in the off-season was HUGE! About as big as Antwaan Randle El and Larry Foote returning to the place where all three were a party of the Super Bowl XL victory. McFadden will be rejuvenated and watch for him to have a big year.

Sean McHugh McHugh did ok last year but with several other tight ends on the team, I think the others have skills that McHugh lacks and it will cost him a roster spot.

Steve McLendon Too many in front of him. He would have to be very, very good to make this team.

Rashard Mendenhall Many believe this is Rashard's big breakout season. I think those forecasters will be right.

Heath Miller Can we start throwing to this guy more often please? With a commitment to return to the running game that might not happen. But regardless of a lack of stats, Miller IMO is one of the league's best tight ends.

Mewelde Moore Moore kind of pulled a disappearing act last year and this might be his last opportunity in Black and Gold but I think the Steelers need to get back to what makes Moore special. That would be a receiver coming out of the backfield.

Ryan Mundy Mundy was terrible at times last year and I believe he will fail to make the team this summer.

David Pitman I can't recall when the Steelers signed this guy and I know nothing about him but only time can tell where he falls into place with this team.

Troy Polamalu We all can only hope Troy is 100% come opening day. Last year showed what can happen if he isn't in the lineup.

Maurkice Pouncey I've spoken much about this kid. All signs point towards a long and very solid career.

Antwaan Randle El I can't wait to see Randle El on the field again. I believe combined with Hines Ward, Mike Wallace, Arnaz Battle, and Heath Miller, when the Steelers decide to throw the ball they will find open targets.

Isaac Redman I strongly felt that Redman should have made the team last year. With the return of Frank Summers and the drafting of Jonathan Dwyer it will come down to how many running backs are kept on the roster to see if he makes the squad.

Jeff Reed Reed's job is a lock. A new contract remains in question.

Jared Retkofsky When Greg Warren got hurt, Retkofsky excelled in relief. But the Steelers almost always carry only one long snapper so Retkofsky is headed for the practice squad the coaching staff can only hope no other team has an interest in him.

Ben Roethlisberger While missing at least the first four games, Big Ben will see the error of his ways. Depending on how the team does, if they lose, the blame will certainly fall on his shoulders especially if it is because of the offense. There is no doubting Ben's skills on the field but off the field he needs to become a consummate professional.

Emmanuel Sanders Sanders has speed and if he can prove that he has the ability to get open and catch the ball, he might be a nice complement to Mike Wallace.

Chris Scott Just more competition to the offensive line. Rookies certainly face difficulty.

Jonathan Scott Sean Kugler, the new offensive line coach had this guy in Buffalo. He was probably instrumental in bringing him to the 'Burgh. I hope he makes the team because otherwise his signing was fruitless.

Dan Sepulveda With three seasons under his belt, two full ones because one was injury ended I think we have not yet seen the best from Sepulveda. 2010 might be the year we see it.

Aaron Smith Like Troy Polamalu, if Smith is 100% combined with a Troy return, a McFadden and Foote return, and what promises to be a special year from LaMarr Woodley, watch for the "Nasty 'D" this season. I think they are going to be special.

Matt Spaeth When I think of Matt Spaeth, all that comes to mind is that first season of his. He got off to a fiery start and then seemed to fade and for me, he hasn't been the same since. I think his days are numbered although he should make the team again.

Max Starks In many fan's opinions, Starks was a disappointment last year. Given that, 2010 is a VERY big year for Starks. He better produce.

Frank Summers I loved the selection of Summers in last year's draft. Then his season ended before it began. From what I've been seeing, he's looked very good at the OTAs. The man has size but is also quick and can catch the ball. I think he'll make an impact this time around if he can stay injury free.

Limas Sweed Sweed can now be regarded a "bust" as a second round pick. He has never been able to catch the ball consistently and now he suffers an injury in an OTA and is done for 2010. Hello injury settlement. He switch jersey numbers to provide some inspiration to a "new" start and it backfired.

Stevenson Sylvester Keith Butler really likes this kid, but the question is, "is there room for him on the roster?" We'll find out in Latrobe.

Demetrius Taylor Ok, this one is peculiar. Taylor played one year at running back…in high school. He then became a defensive end where he played all the way through his career at Virginia Tech. But Head Coach Mike Tomlin saw something in the film of Taylor that made him think that this guy could play in the offensive backfield again. So the Steelers are making him a fullback. But Offensive Coordinator Bruce Arians says we "don't have a fullback." Well Bruce, now you do.

Ike Taylor Ike is our best corner and yet he's not one of the league's best. That's not good. If Taylor could figure out how to hold onto the ball that might propel him into the league's finest. He needs to turn in special season this year.

Cordarrow Thompson The Steelers have had a policy of signing a handful of undrafted rookies following the draft. It's difficult to keep up with all of them. This is one I have no clue on but he won't be beating out Chris Hoke or Casey Hampton for a spot on the roster.

Justin Thornton See above.

Lawrence Timmons Timmons has shown signs of greatness but he needs to put it all together. With the return of Larry Foote his playing time could be cut back unless Foote unseats James Farrior and Farrior returns to the bench.

Kraig Urbik Urbik I thought was the prototype Steelers offensive lineman when he drafted. He has yet to produce enough to make an impression.

Bradley Vierling The rookies keep coming. Forget becoming a center on this team.

Justin Vincent Vincent has shown some skills at running back but there's only so much room in the backfield.

Mike Wallace Will there be a sophomore jinx? I doubt it. This kid is for real. Big season ahead for #17.

Hines Ward Hines Ward has had a hall-of-fame career in Black and Gold. When does it end? Not this year. Next year? I believe it will. If we so happen to win another Super Bowl this season, I think Ward is done. He'll pull a Jerome Bettis.

Greg Warren The long snapper job is Warren's to lose.

Isaiah Williams Williams has his work cut out for him to win a job. Should be a neat battle to watch this summer

Johnny Williams Another linebacker? Another roster cut.

Renauld Williams Four Williams on the team. I believe only Isaiah has a chance to make the team. That might be practice squad at best.

Trae Williams See above.

Lindsey Witten Too many linebackers for one team. No chance here.

LaMarr Woodley So much talk has been going on regarding Woodley. Contract talks, big season ahead, and I think we will see a monster season out of #56.

Jason Worilds Worilds has some speed to burn for a linebacker and he'll make his start on special teams. He's a gamer though and should make the team.

Doug Worthington Worthingon did not get much time as a starter at Ohio State but the Steelers saw something in him they like. Whether he can turn that into a job on the team remains to be seen.

Ryan Clark Clark nearly left the team in free agency but he returns and thankfully so. He's a big hitter and excellent tackler.

Thaddeus Gibson There's been a buzz about Gibson in the OTAs so keep a close eye on him this summer.

Tuff Harris How tough is Tuff? We'll find out!

Stefan Logan Logan for me as a disappointment last year after an impressive pre-season and training camp. I waited all year for some big returns and he had only a handful of some semi-long ones. We need to see trips to the house for Logan or he might find himself replaced with Mike Wallace or Antwaan Randle El.

Scott Paxson Finally there is Paxson. He has shown signs but like many others, has better athletes in front of him. I think he'll be a practice squad guy.

http://steelershotline.com/Roster.htm

RuthlessBurgher
05-28-2010, 11:00 AM
Willie Colon This could be a big year for Willie Colon. I certainly would not put him as one of the league's best but he can hold his own. Colon doesn't face much of a challenge from anyone behind him either. However, Jonathan Scott coming from Buffalo and Ramon Foster should battle for a starting role.

Max Starks In many fan's opinions, Starks was a disappointment last year. Given that, 2010 is a VERY big year for Starks. He better produce.

Yet another genius who minimizes the contributions of Starks and Colon. I thought we were done with this stuff 2 years ago. Jon Scott or Ramon Foster possibly replacing Colon? Please.

Da'Mon Cromartie-Smith Another undrafted rookie Cromartie-Smith is at an already very talented position in Pittsburgh.

Ryan Mundy Mundy was terrible at times last year and I believe he will fail to make the team this summer.

He calls safety "an already very talented position in Pittsburgh" and then says that he believes Mundy will fail to make the team this summer. We know the starters are talented, and we brought in Will Allen to replace Ty Carter as our top backup at safety, but how can you possibly consider that to be "an already very talented position in Pittsburgh" when we have injury prone starters and no legit depth?

Jonathan Dwyer Here's the darkhorse to the team. Much is expected of Dwyer and I believe he'll shine.

Much is expected of him, but he's the darkhorse to the team? I don't think he understands what darkhorse means.

Ra'Shon Harris Harris has nearly made the team several times in the past but with Ziggy Hood in the mix, I don't think he'll pass the test this year either

Nearly made the team several times in the past? We cut him at the end of training camp as a rookie last year, hoping to add him to our practice squad, but Carolina added him to their 53 man roster. When they waived him a month or so later in order to add him to their practice squad, we snatched him back up, and he was on our 53 man roster for the rest of the season. Not sure how that qualifies as "nearly made the team several times in the past."

Brett Keisel "Keisel the Diesel" better have a decent season this year because if he doesn't, I think he might be looking at his last in the 'Burgh.

Keisel might be looking at his last year in the Burgh? Seriously? People assumed that Ziggy was drafted to replace Keisel, since Keisel was entering the last year of his contract at this point a year ago. However, last summer, he signed a five-year, $18.885 million contract that included a $5 million signing bonus. Ziggy was brought in to be the heir apparent to the aging Aaron Smith, not as a replacement for Keisel. He's a solid 3-4 DE who will be around for a while.

Anthony Madison Madison is a decent corner but like several other positions he faces still competition. To his credit he has experience in playing for this team behind him.

Madison is a decent corner? If Madison had to line up as a CB in a game that isn't in the preseason, that would be an epic failure. He's been on our roster to play special teams...that's it.

Sean McHugh McHugh did ok last year but with several other tight ends on the team, I think the others have skills that McHugh lacks and it will cost him a roster spot.

Apparently McHugh did okay last year while on injured reserve. Good job on I.R., Sean!

Heath Miller Can we start throwing to this guy more often please? With a commitment to return to the running game that might not happen. But regardless of a lack of stats, Miller IMO is one of the league's best tight ends.

Can we start throwing to this guy more often? Did he miss the 76 catches (28 more than his previous career best) and 789 receiving yards (223 more than his previous career best) last season?

Jared Retkofsky When Greg Warren got hurt, Retkofsky excelled in relief. But the Steelers almost always carry only one long snapper so Retkofsky is headed for the practice squad the coaching staff can only hope no other team has an interest in him.

The Steelers almost always carry only one long snapper. Really? If they carried two, Pappy's head would explode.

Cordarrow Thompson The Steelers have had a policy of signing a handful of undrafted rookies following the draft. It's difficult to keep up with all of them. This is one I have no clue on but he won't be beating out Chris Hoke or Casey Hampton for a spot on the roster.

The Steelers have had a policy of signing a handful of undrafted rookies following the draft. Really? Are other teams aware of this strange policy? Are we the only team that signs undrafted free agents?

Kraig Urbik Urbik I thought was the prototype Steelers offensive lineman when he drafted. He has yet to produce enough to make an impression.

It's somewhat difficult to produce enough to make an impression when you don't dress for a single game.

Stefan Logan Logan for me as a disappointment last year after an impressive pre-season and training camp. I waited all year for some big returns and he had only a handful of some semi-long ones. We need to see trips to the house for Logan or he might find himself replaced with Mike Wallace or Antwaan Randle El.

A team record for kick return yardage was a disappointment? His answer is to take a guy that we are relying on to be a starting WR for the first time and give him return duty as well? Brilliant. Only 5 guys in the league who had at least 30 kick returns last season had a better average than Logan's 26.7. Oh, and to also take a guy that is over 30 years old now to return punts again? Antwaan Randle El's punt return averages for the last 3 seasons? 6.0, 6.5, 6.1. Stefan Logan's punt return average last season? 9.3.

xXTSKXx
05-28-2010, 11:17 AM
Is it just me or would anyone else like to see us cut Spaeth in favor of keeping McHough and Johnson at TE? I know its unlikely to happen but man Spaeth is hardly involved in the passing game and both McHough and DJ are better blockers.

hawaiiansteel
05-30-2010, 03:10 AM
Curing the Pittsburgh Steelers' Special Teams Woes

by David Law Correspondent

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The Pittsburgh Steelers were an underachieving team in 2009. Most of the failures from that season were related to three diverse issues: injuries to key defensive players, a weak and poorly prepared offensive line, and letdowns by the special teams.

This article will explore the latter issue, particularly looking towards what changes we might see from the Steelers’ kickoff team in 2009.

Last year the Steelers were the worst kickoff unit in the NFL, by far. I would venture to guess that they were the worst unit the league has seen in quite a few years. Decades, perhaps.

How ugly did things get for the kickoff team in 2009? Plenty ugly. The Steelers ranked 32nd in the NFL in average kickoff distance at 59.8 yards and 32nd in touchbacks at 3.7 percent.

Their four TD returns were also a league worst. Similarly, the Steelers ranked 26th in average return surrendered at 24.3 yards against. That is a rather spectacularly bad result, considering that the teams that traditionally give up the longest average returns are those with the longest kickoffs.

The Steelers’ problems with kickoffs begin with Jeff Reed. Reed is a valuable commodity: Heinz Field is reputed to be one of the most difficult fields for placekickers, with unpredictable, swirling winds and often lousy footing. Considering those conditions, Reed has been a remarkably effective placekicker in Pittsburgh.

However, Reed has the NFL’s weakest leg when it comes to kickoffs. Reed recorded only three touchbacks in 81 kickoffs, which simply isn’t good enough. By way of comparison, David Buehler of the Dallas Cowboys achieved 29 touchbacks in 79 kickoffs.

Last season Dallas employed Buehler as a kickoff specialist, with Nick Folk handling placekicking duties.

The Pittsburgh Steelers should consider using a kickoff specialist in place of Reed handling those duties.

In fact, while I think that Stefan Logan did an admirable job as a return specialist last year, I believe that there would be a net gain in terms of field position for the Steelers if they replaced Logan with a kickoff specialist similar to Buehler.

Emmanuel Sanders, Mike Wallace, and Keenan Lewis come to mind as possible replacements for Logan. All are expected to earn a roster spot on their own merits and probably can provide return numbers similar to Logan’s.

Even if they are not quite his equal, I believe that their return skills are strong enough for the Steelers to consider using Logan’s roster spot on a kickoff specialist.

The problems with kickoffs started with the short kicks provided by Reed, but things all too frequently went downhill from there.

The team’s kickoff coverage was abysmal. Giving up four return TDs simply emphasizes how atrocious their coverage units were in 2009. Fans became so skittish watching the Steelers try to cover kickoffs that they can easily recall numerous other returns that seemed inches from going all the way as well.

Kickoff return touchdowns are momentum changers. They sap the energy from the team that surrenders the big play and energize the opponent.

For some reason last season the kick coverage team seemed out of sync. Too frequently players wandered out of their lanes or failed to hold containment and missed tackles when they were in the right position.

Jeff Reed came under considerable heat for his pathetic attempts at tackling kick returners, but the truth is that Reed should never be put in such a position.

Would I like to see Reed be able to tackle enthusiastically and effectively the way Steeler punter Daniel Sepulveda does? Hell yes! But realistically, that’s not Reed’s job. There are 10 other Steelers out there who are messing up as a unit if Reed even figures into the play at all.

Those kick return woes cost special teams coordinator Bob Ligashesky his job at the end of the season. New coordinator Al Everest has been given a mandate to clean up the coverage units first and foremost.

To aid Everest in this task, the Steelers drafted a number of players who might be expected to see special team duties. Young linebacker prospects Jason Worilds and Thaddeus Gibson will be expected to bring energy and tackling ability to the coverage units while they learn the Steeler linebacking trade.

With some new players, a new coordinator, and a renewed commitment to effective coverage units, we can expect considerable improvement on the kickoff team. It’s not like things could get much worse.

Still, I would prefer to see a kickoff specialist employed to hammer the ball deep in the end zone as often as possible. I would much rather see Joshua Cribbs kneeling down to concede a touchback eight yards deep in the end zone than be fielding a Jeff Reed kickoff on his own 10-yard line!

A kickoff specialist combined with better coverage work could give the Steelers an average improvement in the area of 10 to 15 yards on every kickoff. Considering that they kick off five times per game on average, that 50 to 75 yards of improvement will put the Steelers defense in consistently better field position.

Isn’t that part of the Steelers’ mantra for 2010? You know: Play a conservative running and field-position game and rely on a healthy defense to put the ball back in the hands of the offense.

If winning the battle of field position is important to the Steelers, then beefing up the kick coverage units is a step in the right direction. Adding a kickoff specialist might be yet another step.

The Steelers are primed to rebound after losing a number of close games last year. For the first time in a number of years they will be underestimated by some opponents. Curing their coverage woes is a necessary step towards returning to the playoffs and chasing down a seventh Lombardi Trophy for the NFL's most storied franchise.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3979 ... teams-woes

focosteeler
05-30-2010, 11:51 AM
Out of 53 guys, can we please find someone to be long snapper so we doin't have to carry a specialist? That drive me insane.
I think James Harrison can long snap.

i might be a little biased since i kicked in college but always wanted a pure long snapper. nothing against harrison but i would be more confident in a game winning situation, with a guy snapping who has been on the field 5 or 6 times rather than half the game. at the end of the game i think harrison would be so exhausted that he might mess up....and anyways our long snappers seem to get injured alot....i wouldnt want to risk james getting hurt on a PAT :)

focosteeler
05-30-2010, 11:58 AM
QB
Ben Roethlisberger(*)
Dennis Dixon
Byron Leftwich
Charlie Batch

HB
Rashard Mendenhall
Jonathan Dwyer
Mewelde Moore
Frank Summers

FB (PLEASE)
Demetrius Taylor * I say since Ben wont be on the roster the first 4 weeks at least that Taylor gets in and if he proves himself he is still on the roster after Ben gets back

WR
Hines Ward
Mike Wallace
Antwan Randle-El
Emmanuel Sanders
Arnaz Battle
Antonio Brown

TE
Heath Miler
Sean McHugh
David Johnson

OL
Max Starks
Chris Kemoeatu
Doug Legursky
Maurkice Pouncey
Willie Colon
Ramon Foster
Jonathan Scott
Trai Essex
Kraig Urbik

DL
Aaron Smith
Casey Hampton
Brett Kiesel
Ziggy Hood
Chris Hoke
Doug Worthington

LB
Lamarr Woodley
James Harrison
James Farrior
Lawrence Timmons
Larry Foote
Keyaron Fox
Stevenson Sylvester
Jason Worilds
Thaddeus Gibson


CB
Ike Taylor
Bryant McFadden
Keenan Lewis
Joe Burnett
Crezdon Butler
William Gay

S
Troy Polamalu
Ryan Clark
Ryan Mundy
Will Allen

ST
Jeff Reed
Daniel Sepulveda
Jared Retkofsky

Spaeth is gone there is no point in keeping him, he can't block worth anything and he is too slow to get down field for a pass.

I wouldn’t mind seeing Justin Hartwig released before the season starts I think Legursky can hold his own.

I know its a lot of linebackers but i think the rookies will have a large inpact on special teams so they neeed to be there

Stewie
05-31-2010, 08:51 AM
I hope that ARE took a magic pill to return to his Steeler form. I live in the DC area, and I have had the opportunity to watch ARE play for the last few years. In legal terms, he stunk. He couldn't get off the line as a WR, and his returns were all sideways. He was the butt of the talking heads' barbs, and a former Redskin return man par excellence, Brian Mitchell, publicly called him out about his sideways returns. I was sick when the Steelers reacquired him. I hope that he has morphed back to the ARE that we knew.

hawaiiansteel
06-06-2010, 11:35 PM
for those of you that think Jared Retkofsky is going to beat out Greg Warren this season, you may wish to re-evaluate that opinion...


Long snapper released


The Pittsburgh Steelers have released long snapper Jared Retkofsky, according to a league source.

Retkofsky was placed on waivers late last week.

The 6-foot-5, 260-pound former Texas Christian player played in 11 games for Pittsburgh over the past two seasons.

He was previously on the Seattle Seahawks' practice squad.

Retkofsky also had a brief stint with the New York Sentinels in the United Football League.

Retkofsky filled in last season fwhen Greg Warren got hurt.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Ste ... ofsky.html (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Steelers-cut-Jared-Retkofsky.html)

DanRooney
06-07-2010, 05:47 AM
If there is an odd-man out, it should be Arnaz Battle. This guy is the NFL's prototypical journeyman and is only going to be brought in to play special teams. Sad thing is, everyone is shoeing him in the roster because of this, yet taking Logan out of it for the same reason. Battle's impact on ST's will not even be close to that of Logan's last season. He broke the Steelers' kick return record for god's sake! Without him our record could have possibly been 7-9 or 6-10. I guarantee you he will be picked up by another team almost immediately if we cut him.

RuthlessBurgher
06-07-2010, 01:12 PM
for those of you that think Jared Retkofsky is going to beat out Greg Warren this season, you may wish to re-evaluate that opinion...


Long snapper released


The Pittsburgh Steelers have released long snapper Jared Retkofsky, according to a league source.

Retkofsky was placed on waivers late last week.

The 6-foot-5, 260-pound former Texas Christian player played in 11 games for Pittsburgh over the past two seasons.

He was previously on the Seattle Seahawks' practice squad.

Retkofsky also had a brief stint with the New York Sentinels in the United Football League.

Retkofsky filled in last season fwhen Greg Warren got hurt.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Ste ... ofsky.html (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Steelers-cut-Jared-Retkofsky.html)

I wonder if this means that they are close to signing one of their draft picks. We can only bring 80 guys to training camp, but we've had 90 at the OTA's (the unsigned rookie draft picks don't apply toward the roster limits until they sign a contract). So every time we sign a rookie draft pick, we have to cut someone else (like Retkovsky here) before we get to Latrobe.

Oviedo
06-07-2010, 01:50 PM
for those of you that think Jared Retkofsky is going to beat out Greg Warren this season, you may wish to re-evaluate that opinion...


Long snapper released


The Pittsburgh Steelers have released long snapper Jared Retkofsky, according to a league source.

Retkofsky was placed on waivers late last week.

The 6-foot-5, 260-pound former Texas Christian player played in 11 games for Pittsburgh over the past two seasons.

He was previously on the Seattle Seahawks' practice squad.

Retkofsky also had a brief stint with the New York Sentinels in the United Football League.

Retkofsky filled in last season fwhen Greg Warren got hurt.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Ste ... ofsky.html (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Steelers-cut-Jared-Retkofsky.html)

I wonder if this means that they are close to signing one of their draft picks. We can only bring 80 guys to training camp, but we've had 90 at the OTA's (the unsigned rookie draft picks don't apply toward the roster limits until they sign a contract). So every time we sign a rookie draft pick, we have to cut someone else (like Retkovsky here) before we get to Latrobe.

Starting this week and over the next three all the draft picks except for Pouncey should start to sign. That means one player will be cut as each signing occurs. Pouncey probably won't sign until the thrid or fourth week of July when the other Round 1 picks sign so the slotting can start to take shape.

A rookie salary cap would really make this easier and would make more sense.

hawaiiansteel
06-19-2010, 03:29 AM
Stillers Blog

Ken Laird
June 16, 2010


The Pittsburgh Steelers need to be at the 80-man roster limit when training camp opens on July 30th.

Let's revisit what the Steelers depth chart and camp battles are looking like now that spring workouts are done and some cuts have been made:

QUARTERBACK
LOCKS (3): Ben Roethlisberger, Byron Leftwich, Dennis Dixon
QUESTION MARKS (1): Charlie Batch (Will they keep 4 QBs through Ben's suspension?)

RUNNING BACK
LOCKS (2): Rashard Mendenhall, Mewelde Moore
LIKELY (2): Frank Summers (got lots of first-team reps in minicamp), Jonathan Dwyer
QUESTION MARKS (3): Issac Redman (looking like Redman has to beat out Dwyer for a spot), Justin Vincent, Demetrius Taylor (the only true fullback will get his shot to blow people up in Latrobe)

WIDE RECEIVER
LOCKS (2): Hines Ward, Mike Wallace
LIKELY (3): Antwaan Randle El, Arnaz Battle, Emmanuel Sanders
QUESTION MARKS (5): Antonio Brown, Stefan Logan (in trouble if Wallace, Sanders, and/or Antonio Brown take his return duties), Tyler Grisham, Brandon London, Isaiah Williams

TIGHT END
LOCKS (1): Heath Miller
LIKELY (2): Matt Spaeth, David Johnson
QUESTION MARKS (2): Sean McHugh, Eugene Bright

TACKLE
LOCKS (2): Max Starks, Willie Colon
LIKELY (1): Jonathan Scott (was running second team RT in minicamp)
QUESTION MARKS (2): Tony Hills (second team LT in minicamp, but needs to show big improvement in Latrobe), Kyle Jolly

GUARD
LOCKS (3): Chris Kemoeatu, Trai Essex (also can play tackle), Maurkice Pouncey (replaces Essex at starting RG in Week 5?)
LIKLEY (1): Ramon Foster (2nd team LG in minicamp)
QUESTION MARKS (3): Chris Scott (the 5th round draft pick will have to show promise at guard or tackle), Kraig Urbik (see center position below), Dorian Brooks

CENTER
LOCKS (1): Justin Hartwig
LIKELY (1): Doug Legursky (was running 1st team center at minicamp with Hartwig coming off shoulder surgery)
QUESTION MARKS (1): Kraig Urbik (taking reps at second team center in minicamp, in addition to third team left guard)

NOSE TACKLE
LOCKS (1): Casey Hampton
LIKELY (1): Chris Hoke
QUESTION MARKS (1): Scott Paxson (a good insurance policy, but has no more practice squad availability)

DEFENSIVE END
LOCKS (3): Aaron Smith, Brett Keisel, Ziggy Hood
LIKELY (1): Nick Eason
QUESTION MARKS (3): Sunny Harris (the team likes him, but is there room to keep? Probably has to beat out Eason), Steve McLendon, Doug Worthington

INSIDE LINEBACKER
LOCKS (4): James Farrior, Lawrence Timmons, Larry Foote, Keyaron Fox
QUESTION MARKS (3): Stevenson Sylvester, Patrick Bailey (special teams ace facing a tough numbers game), Renauld Williams

OUTSIDE LINEBACKER
LOCKS (2): James Harrison, LaMarr Woodley
LIKELY (2): Jason Worilds, Thaddeus Gibson
QUESTION MARKS (3): Andre Frazier (feeling what Bailey is feeling), Johnny Williams, Lindsey Witten

CORNERBACK
LOCKS (2): Ike Taylor, Bryant McFadden
LIKELY (4): William Gay, Joe Burnett, Keenan Lewis, Crezdon Butler
QUESTION MARKS (2): Anthony Madison (doubtful special teams is enough reason to keep him this year with Arnaz Battle a good gunner on punt coverage), David Pittman

SAFETY
LOCKS (4): Troy Polamalu, Ryan Clark, Will Allen (former special teams captain), Ryan Mundy
QUESTION MARKS (3): Tuff Harris, Justin Thornton

SPECIALISTS
LOCKS (2): Daniel Sepulveda, Jeff Reed
QUESTION MARKS (2): Greg Warren, Matt Stewart

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