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PSU_dropout43
04-30-2010, 12:17 PM
So why didn't the Steelers take him in the second round?


Penn State linebacker Sean Lee, who went to Upper St. Clair High School, appeared to be the player the Steelers were targeting in the second round after selecting Florida center Maurkice Pouncey with the 18th overall pick. They had a first-round grade on Lee and thought he fit the way they played better than any linebacker in the draft.

But, the Steelers did not think Lee would be available when it came their turn.

When he was, it seemed like an obvious choice. But coach Mike Tomlin really liked Worilds, an undersized defensive end in college who fit nicely as a disruptive outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense...


Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10120/10 ... z0mbCgDZIM (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10120/1054423-66.stm#ixzz0mbCgDZIM)

PSU_dropout43
04-30-2010, 12:18 PM
check out the Cowboys draft board, they had Sean Lee rated higher than Pouncey.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2371 ... eboard.jpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2371/newwhiteboard.jpg)

http://i44.tinypic.com/2iitxcn.jpg

Snatch98
04-30-2010, 12:21 PM
Sooooooo you haven't read the now 3 or 4 articles discussing Worilds that explains why we didn't go with Lee in the 2nd?

Mister Pittsburgh
04-30-2010, 12:36 PM
Tomlin. So if Worilds goes the way of Alonzo Jackson and Lee is kickin' butt for the Cowgirls....send Mikey a card thanking him.

Snatch98
04-30-2010, 12:38 PM
Tomlin isn't the only one that liked/likes Worilds. Plenty of media outlets are speaking out on his ability. Lombardi, La Confora, Millen *cough* etc, etc. Here is the most recent I found.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The ... picks.html (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-best-round-two-picks.html)

BradshawsHairdresser
04-30-2010, 12:39 PM
So why didn't the Steelers take him in the second round?


Penn State linebacker Sean Lee, who went to Upper St. Clair High School, appeared to be the player the Steelers were targeting in the second round after selecting Florida center Maurkice Pouncey with the 18th overall pick. They had a first-round grade on Lee and thought he fit the way they played better than any linebacker in the draft.

But, the Steelers did not think Lee would be available when it came their turn.

When he was, it seemed like an obvious choice. But coach Mike Tomlin really liked Worilds, an undersized defensive end in college who fit nicely as a disruptive outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense...


Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10120/10 ... z0mbCgDZIM (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10120/1054423-66.stm#ixzz0mbCgDZIM)

Sounds like Tomlin was the one in charge when it came to making this draft pick.
So he ought to get the lion's share of the credit if Worilds turns out to be another Lamar Woodley. And he ought to get the lion's share of the blame if he turns out to be another Bruce Davis.

PSU_dropout43
04-30-2010, 12:58 PM
where's Jason Worilds?

Cowboys' draft board:


FIRST ROUND
1. Sam Bradford
2. Gerald McCoy
3. Ndamukong Suh
4. Russell Okung
5. Trent Williams
6. Eric Berry
7. Rolando McClain
8. Joe Haden
9. CJ Spiller
10. Mike Iupati
11. Blocked by Jerry’s arm, but likely Earl Thomas or Dez Bryant
12. Blocked by Jerry’s arm, but likely Earl Thomas or Dez Bryant
13. Bryan Bulaga
14. Sean Lee
15. Jared Odrick
16. Jason Pierre-Paul
17. Derrick Morgan
18. Kyle Wilson
19. Maurkice Pouncey
20. Navarro Bowman
21. Jahvid Best
22. Tyson Alualu
23. Jermaine Gresham

SECOND ROUND
Devin McCourty
Demaryius Thomas
Koa Misi
Jerry Hughes
Brandon Graham
Nate Allen
Morgan Burnett
Taylor Mays
Dan Williams
Kareem Jackson
Ryan Mathews
Brian Price
Rob Gronkowski
Brandon Ghee
Jimmy Clausen

THIRD ROUND
Sergio Kindle
Anthony Davis
Corey Wootton
Patrick Robinson
Dexter McCluster
Joe McKnight
Chad Jones
Colt McCoy
Taylor Price
Lamarr Houston
D’Anthony Smith
Damian Williams
Eric Decker
Thaddeus Gibson
Corey Peters
Rodger Saffold
Toby Gerhart
Golden Tate
Brandon LaFell
Amari Spievey
Mike Neal

FOURTH ROUND
Akwasi Owusu-Ansah
Javier Arenas
Vladimir Ducasse
Ed Dickson
Clay Harbor
Perry Riley
Torrell Troup
Carlton Mitchell
Mike Johnson
John Jerry
Linval Joseph
Major Wright
Dominique Franks
Larry Asante
Tony Moeaki
Mitch Petrus
Ben Tate
Kam Chancellor
Andre Roberts
Myron Lewis

FIFTH ROUND
Shawn Lauvao
Jacoby Ford
Danny Batten
Sam Young
Daniel Te’o-Nesheim
Kevin Thomas
Clifton Geathers
Dennis Pitta
Darrell Stuckey
Alterraun Verner
Alric Arnett
Garrett Graham
Reshad Jones
Jamar Wall

SIXTH ROUND
Edwin Veldheer
Mike Hoomanawanui
Willie Young
Roddrick Muckelroy

SEVENTH ROUND
Walter Thurmond
Marcus Easley
Michael Kafka
Adrian Tracy
Dan LeFevour

WoodleyofTroy
04-30-2010, 01:01 PM
No offense, but that board sucks.

Mister Pittsburgh
04-30-2010, 01:28 PM
Tomlin isn't the only one that liked/likes Worilds. Plenty of media outlets are speaking out on his ability. Lombardi, La Confora, Millen *cough* etc, etc. Here is the most recent I found.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The ... picks.html (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-best-round-two-picks.html)

According to that article, TOMLIN is the one that pulled the trigger on Worilds, passing up a guy the Steelers scouts and Colbert and Butler had a first round grade on. Thought we took the best athlete available and didn't draft for position.

phillyesq
04-30-2010, 01:54 PM
So why didn't the Steelers take him in the second round?


Penn State linebacker Sean Lee, who went to Upper St. Clair High School, appeared to be the player the Steelers were targeting in the second round after selecting Florida center Maurkice Pouncey with the 18th overall pick. They had a first-round grade on Lee and thought he fit the way they played better than any linebacker in the draft.

But, the Steelers did not think Lee would be available when it came their turn.

When he was, it seemed like an obvious choice. But coach Mike Tomlin really liked Worilds, an undersized defensive end in college who fit nicely as a disruptive outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense...


Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10120/10 ... z0mbCgDZIM (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10120/1054423-66.stm#ixzz0mbCgDZIM)

Well, so much for sticking with the draft board.

I think the development of Worilds and Lee will speak volumes about whether or not he can be trusted with respect to player evaluation.

Tomlin was the one who decided to select Timmons, who, after three years, has developed into a decent linebacker. Timmons was selected ahead of Beason, who has played much better to date.

I hope that Worilds/Lee turns out for the Steelers better than Timmons/Beason.

birtikidis
04-30-2010, 01:56 PM
So why didn't the Steelers take him in the second round?


Penn State linebacker Sean Lee, who went to Upper St. Clair High School, appeared to be the player the Steelers were targeting in the second round after selecting Florida center Maurkice Pouncey with the 18th overall pick. They had a first-round grade on Lee and thought he fit the way they played better than any linebacker in the draft.

But, the Steelers did not think Lee would be available when it came their turn.

When he was, it seemed like an obvious choice. But coach Mike Tomlin really liked Worilds, an undersized defensive end in college who fit nicely as a disruptive outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense...
didn't tomlin also select woodley?

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10120/10 ... z0mbCgDZIM (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10120/1054423-66.stm#ixzz0mbCgDZIM)

Well, so much for sticking with the draft board.

I think the development of Worilds and Lee will speak volumes about whether or not he can be trusted with respect to player evaluation.

Tomlin was the one who decided to select Timmons, who, after three years, has developed into a decent linebacker. Timmons was selected ahead of Beason, who has played much better to date.

I hope that Worilds/Lee turns out for the Steelers better than Timmons/Beason.

NW Steeler
04-30-2010, 02:16 PM
Tomlin isn't the only one that liked/likes Worilds. Plenty of media outlets are speaking out on his ability. Lombardi, La Confora, Millen *cough* etc, etc. Here is the most recent I found.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The ... picks.html (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-best-round-two-picks.html)

According to that article, TOMLIN is the one that pulled the trigger on Worilds, passing up a guy the Steelers scouts and Colbert and Butler had a first round grade on. Thought we took the best athlete available and didn't draft for position.

They have 4 ILB on the roster, and all 4 have been starters. They have ZERO depth at OLB. That was pointed out in one of the articles about this subject.

feltdizz
04-30-2010, 02:33 PM
Maybe Dallas has different needs then we do? Also understand Timmons on Seattle or Dallas' D may look like a HOFer given their DE's power rush but so so run stopping ability.

The way people talk about Timmons you would think he was a bust and not a top stat guy on our D that is always top 5... besides 4th quarters last year. LOL.

Doesn't Lee have knee issues as well?

Sure sounds like people are quick to blame Tomlin...

steelsnis
04-30-2010, 02:42 PM
Tomlin was the one who decided to select Timmons, who, after three years, has developed into a decent linebacker. Timmons was selected ahead of Beason, who has played much better to date.

I wouldn't bet the farm on the fact that Tomlin was the one who decided to draft Timmons. Let's not forget that at the time of that draft, Tomlin was exactly 2 months into his first ever head coaching job.

Do you REALLY think that Dan Rooney threw him the keys to the kingdom and gave him carte blanche in that draft? REALLY???

phillyesq
04-30-2010, 02:56 PM
Tomlin was the one who decided to select Timmons, who, after three years, has developed into a decent linebacker. Timmons was selected ahead of Beason, who has played much better to date.

I wouldn't bet the farm on the fact that Tomlin was the one who decided to draft Timmons. Let's not forget that at the time of that draft, Tomlin was exactly 2 months into his first ever head coaching job.

Do you REALLY think that Dan Rooney threw him the keys to the kingdom and gave him carte blanche in that draft? REALLY???

If I remember, Tomlin loved Timmons, and it was obvious. IIRC, he visited his pro-day personally, and he looked like a proud papa when he was drafted. I don't think there is any dispute that Timmons was Tomlin's guy.

RuthlessBurgher
04-30-2010, 03:00 PM
Tomlin was the one who decided to select Timmons, who, after three years, has developed into a decent linebacker. Timmons was selected ahead of Beason, who has played much better to date.

I wouldn't bet the farm on the fact that Tomlin was the one who decided to draft Timmons. Let's not forget that at the time of that draft, Tomlin was exactly 2 months into his first ever head coaching job.

Do you REALLY think that Dan Rooney threw him the keys to the kingdom and gave him carte blanche in that draft? REALLY???

If I remember, Tomlin loved Timmons, and it was obvious. IIRC, he visited his pro-day personally, and he looked like a proud papa when he was drafted. I don't think there is any dispute that Timmons was Tomlin's guy.

Actually, Revis was Tomlin's guy, but he let the cat out of the bag on that one, so the Jets knew enough to trade one spot ahead of us.

Slapstick
04-30-2010, 03:05 PM
The Cowboys will ruin Sean Lee just like they ruined Bobby Carpenter...

Oviedo
04-30-2010, 03:20 PM
[quote=Snatch98]Tomlin isn't the only one that liked/likes Worilds. Plenty of media outlets are speaking out on his ability. Lombardi, La Confora, Millen *cough* etc, etc. Here is the most recent I found.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The ... picks.html (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-best-round-two-picks.html)

According to that article, TOMLIN is the one that pulled the trigger on Worilds, passing up a guy the Steelers scouts and Colbert and Butler had a first round grade on. Thought we took the best athlete available and didn't draft for position.

They have 4 ILB on the roster, and all 4 have been starters. They have ZERO depth at OLB. That was pointed out in one of the articles about this subject.[/quote:1vx30j7a]

Don't interject logic into PSU homerism.

Anyone lese pick up on the fact that James Harrison wasn't at the first day of mini-camp. Two sacks in last 8 games of the season by the guy you rely on the most to get to the QB. Smart decision to get OLB before ILB. If you start connecting the dots you have to start to worry about Harrison going the way of Jason Gildon.

Mister Pittsburgh
04-30-2010, 03:20 PM
[quote=Snatch98]Tomlin isn't the only one that liked/likes Worilds. Plenty of media outlets are speaking out on his ability. Lombardi, La Confora, Millen *cough* etc, etc. Here is the most recent I found.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The ... picks.html (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-best-round-two-picks.html)

According to that article, TOMLIN is the one that pulled the trigger on Worilds, passing up a guy the Steelers scouts and Colbert and Butler had a first round grade on. Thought we took the best athlete available and didn't draft for position.

They have 4 ILB on the roster, and all 4 have been starters. They have ZERO depth at OLB. That was pointed out in one of the articles about this subject.[/quote:zsgppoah]

I can read. Timmons can play either outside or inside. Farrior is 35 and Foote is 30....or around those ages anyway. Why bring in Foote if Fox is dependable? All I am saying is they had a first round grade on an ILB to come in and play ILB but instead chose to take a project that will be worthless other than special teams for the next 3 seasons who they had a lower grade on and that call was Tomlins. I am not saying Worilds won't be a good player or bad player. Just the rationale is a bit shady.

phillyesq
04-30-2010, 04:35 PM
[quote=Snatch98]Tomlin isn't the only one that liked/likes Worilds. Plenty of media outlets are speaking out on his ability. Lombardi, La Confora, Millen *cough* etc, etc. Here is the most recent I found.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The ... picks.html (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-best-round-two-picks.html)

According to that article, TOMLIN is the one that pulled the trigger on Worilds, passing up a guy the Steelers scouts and Colbert and Butler had a first round grade on. Thought we took the best athlete available and didn't draft for position.

They have 4 ILB on the roster, and all 4 have been starters. They have ZERO depth at OLB. That was pointed out in one of the articles about this subject.

Don't interject logic into PSU homerism.

Anyone lese pick up on the fact that James Harrison wasn't at the first day of mini-camp. Two sacks in last 8 games of the season by the guy you rely on the most to get to the QB. Smart decision to get OLB before ILB. If you start connecting the dots you have to start to worry about Harrison going the way of Jason Gildon.[/quote:1s4x933x]

I'm not a PSU homer, nor do I root for any college football team. I liked the Worilds pick. I hope that Tomlin redeems himself for Timmons over Beason. Since Tomlin made this call on his own, it will be very interesting to see whether or not his personnel decisions should be trusted.

D Rock
04-30-2010, 06:57 PM
my good friend is his cousin. And a Browns fan. It would have been great to see him have to cheer for the Steelers.

plainnasty
05-01-2010, 11:49 AM
Jason Worilds and Sean Lee will always be compared, especially if Sean Lee turns out to be the better pro. It also appears that the Steelers didn't "follow their broad to a tee" as Colbert claimed.

That Worilds name was called by the Steelers was something of a surprise.

Penn State linebacker Sean Lee, who went to Upper St. Clair High School, appeared to be the player the Steelers were targeting in the second round after selecting Florida center Maurkice Pouncey with the 18th overall pick. They had a first-round grade on Lee and thought he fit the way they played better than any linebacker in the draft.

But, the Steelers did not think Lee would be available when it came their turn.

When he was, it seemed like an obvious choice. But coach Mike Tomlin really liked Worilds, an undersized defensive end in college who fit nicely as a disruptive outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense -- something the Steelers were lacking behind James Harrison and LaMarr Woodley.

What's more, the return of Larry Foote in free agency gave the Steelers four inside linebackers, along with James Farrior, Lawrence Timmons and Keyaron Fox. Even though Farrior is 35, the need for depth was more dire on the outside, not inside.

So they passed on Lee and selected Worilds.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10120/10 ... z0mh1rs4Un (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10120/1054423-66.stm#ixzz0mh1rs4Un)

Lebsteel
05-01-2010, 01:15 PM
I was really looking forward to seeing Sean Lee in Black and Gold. At least he didn't go to another AFC North team and since he will be playing for the Cowboys, he will be on TV frequently. Here's the link where this topic has been discussed earlier:

http://www.planetsteelers.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11939

hawaiiansteel
05-01-2010, 02:55 PM
Two teams wanted to trade up for Sean Lee, who the Steelers also had a Round 1 grade on. it will be interesting to follow the careers of Sean Lee and Jason Worilds and see if Tomlin did indeed make the right choice...



Eagles turned down trade with Jags for Sean Lee

Posted by Mike Florio on April 30, 2010 11:01 PM ET


As the 2010 NFL Draft continues to fade into the rear-view mirror, interesting nuggets continue to percolate.

In round two, for example, the Eagles did another trade within the division, sending the 23rd pick in round two to the Cowboys, who used the selection to take Penn State linebacker Sean Lee. (Philly slid down four spots and picked up a fourth-round selection from the Cowboys.)

According to Gerry Fraley of the Dallas Morning News, the Jags also were interested in doing a deal with the Eagles in order to draft Lee, but the Eagles declined.

"They chose to go in a different direction," Jaguars G.M. Gene Smith said regarding the Eagles. "We obviously liked him [Lee]. We started to talk to every team we thought we could match up working a trade.''

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... th-dallas/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/30/eagles-turned-down-trade-with-jags-to-do-a-round-two-deal-with-dallas/)

grotonsteel
05-03-2010, 01:14 PM
[quote=Snatch98]Tomlin isn't the only one that liked/likes Worilds. Plenty of media outlets are speaking out on his ability. Lombardi, La Confora, Millen *cough* etc, etc. Here is the most recent I found.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The ... picks.html (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-best-round-two-picks.html)

According to that article, TOMLIN is the one that pulled the trigger on Worilds, passing up a guy the Steelers scouts and Colbert and Butler had a first round grade on. Thought we took the best athlete available and didn't draft for position.

They have 4 ILB on the roster, and all 4 have been starters. They have ZERO depth at OLB. That was pointed out in one of the articles about this subject.

Don't interject logic into PSU homerism.

Anyone lese pick up on the fact that James Harrison wasn't at the first day of mini-camp. Two sacks in last 8 games of the season by the guy you rely on the most to get to the QB. Smart decision to get OLB before ILB. If you start connecting the dots you have to start to worry about Harrison going the way of Jason Gildon.

I'm not a PSU homer, nor do I root for any college football team. I liked the Worilds pick. I hope that Tomlin redeems himself for Timmons over Beason. Since Tomlin made this call on his own, it will be very interesting to see whether or not his personnel decisions should be trusted.[/quote:1dcde5yj]

I think Revis was Tomlin's pick but Jets got him at 14. Joey Porter was released by Steelers and James Harrison was just a backup at that time. I think that was the main reason Steelers picked Timmons at 15 ahead of Beason. I don't think Beason can play OLB in 3-4 D.

steelz09
05-03-2010, 08:36 PM
So why didn't the Steelers take him in the second round?


Penn State linebacker Sean Lee, who went to Upper St. Clair High School, appeared to be the player the Steelers were targeting in the second round after selecting Florida center Maurkice Pouncey with the 18th overall pick. They had a first-round grade on Lee and thought he fit the way they played better than any linebacker in the draft.

But, the Steelers did not think Lee would be available when it came their turn.

When he was, it seemed like an obvious choice. But coach Mike Tomlin really liked Worilds, an undersized defensive end in college who fit nicely as a disruptive outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense...


Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10120/10 ... z0mbCgDZIM (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10120/1054423-66.stm#ixzz0mbCgDZIM)

Well, so much for sticking with the draft board.

I think the development of Worilds and Lee will speak volumes about whether or not he can be trusted with respect to player evaluation.

Tomlin was the one who decided to select Timmons, who, after three years, has developed into a decent linebacker. Timmons was selected ahead of Beason, who has played much better to date.

I hope that Worilds/Lee turns out for the Steelers better than Timmons/Beason.

Agreed. My concern about Worilds is his shoulder problems. I've read he has "chronic" shoulder problems.

A linebacker with "Chronic" shoulder problems whom will need to take on a lot of hard-hitting contact is not a great combination. To me, a linebacker with chronic shoulder issues is a HUGE red flag.

RuthlessBurgher
05-04-2010, 12:55 PM
So why didn't the Steelers take him in the second round?


Penn State linebacker Sean Lee, who went to Upper St. Clair High School, appeared to be the player the Steelers were targeting in the second round after selecting Florida center Maurkice Pouncey with the 18th overall pick. They had a first-round grade on Lee and thought he fit the way they played better than any linebacker in the draft.

But, the Steelers did not think Lee would be available when it came their turn.

When he was, it seemed like an obvious choice. But coach Mike Tomlin really liked Worilds, an undersized defensive end in college who fit nicely as a disruptive outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense...


Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10120/10 ... z0mbCgDZIM (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10120/1054423-66.stm#ixzz0mbCgDZIM)

Well, so much for sticking with the draft board.

I think the development of Worilds and Lee will speak volumes about whether or not he can be trusted with respect to player evaluation.

Tomlin was the one who decided to select Timmons, who, after three years, has developed into a decent linebacker. Timmons was selected ahead of Beason, who has played much better to date.

I hope that Worilds/Lee turns out for the Steelers better than Timmons/Beason.

Agreed. My concern about Worilds is his shoulder problems. I've read he has "chronic" shoulder problems.

A linebacker with "Chronic" shoulder problems whom will need to take on a lot of hard-hitting contact is not a great combination. To me, a linebacker with chronic shoulder issues is a HUGE red flag.

Here is the shoulder injury information.

A shoulder injury ended his freshman year after only 2 games.

He dislocated the shoulder in the second week of his junior year, but played through shoulder pain for the rest of that season until a torn labrum was discovered prior to the Orange Bowl that year, forcing him to miss that final game.

Following the surgery to repair the torn labrum in his shoudler in 2009, and has not had any problems with the shoulder since.

He has played in 13 games in each of the past 3 seasons.

So basically, it only caused him to miss extended time back way back in 2006, and although he had to miss out on the Orange Bowl in his junior year, that surgery appears to have fixed the problem.

I'm not overly worried about it at this point.