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04-30-2010, 01:53 AM
Stop Excuses, Before I Lose My Mind

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4/28/2010 5:02 PM ET By David Whitley



Ben RothlisbergerLike most of you, I was disgusted when I heard what Ben Roethlisberger's been up to this offseason. Apparently, we ought to be ashamed of ourselves.

Who knew it was all in his head?

It seems the four concussions Big Ben has suffered may have helped turn him into the Tommy Lee of quarterbacks. At least that's a theory being thrown around by some medical experts.

"It's conceivable to think that there is a possibility that those concussions have led to some behavioral issues," forensic psychologist Cyril Wecht told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.

I'm no forensic psychologist, and I know concussions can lead to depression, memory loss, emotional instability, cognitive impairment and sleep disorders.

I just have a hard time believing they made Roethlisberger seemingly want to sleep with every woman he meets. Years of observing brains of athletes make me conclude other factors played a much larger role.

Arrogance, coddling, groupies, immaturity, booze, a sense of entitlement, a lack of responsibility, the moral code of a hyena. That explains how an NFL quarterback ends up hitting the town in a "Drink Like a Champion" T-shirt a lot more than a few blows to the head.

Again, I'm no expert. I'm sure you're also trying to keep your eyes from rolling like Roethlisberger's did when he flew off his Suzuki and hit the pavement in 2006.

He wasn't wearing a helmet. So how do we know the accident didn't activate some sort of Dirtbag module in Big Ben's frontal lobe?

Maybe he just can't help himself. Roethlisberger sees a coed in a bar and -- boom -- his brain automatically sends out a telepathic message to his bodyguards:

"Block the bathroom door. I'm going to be completing a pass in Stall No. 3."

At least, Roethlisberger hasn't personally floated the Concussion Defense. I'm glad because it would cheapen a very serious issue.

Just Tuesday, the Massachusetts Legislature's Joint Committee on Health Care Financing passed a bill requiring student athletes who suffer concussions to get medical approval before resuming play.

Studies show up to 3.8 million of America's youth suffers concussions every year in sports or recreational activity. If the Big Ben Theory is correct, that's a lot of potential deviants.

"I used to talk about it when I got into politics," the late Jack Kemp said. "I'd tell people, 'Now that I've had 11 concussions, I'm ready to run for Congress.' "

Kemp suffered 11 concussions between 1957 and 1970. In those days, a concussion was treated like a sprained knuckle. Kemp never missed a game.

He managed to keep his mental functions well enough to become a nine-term congressman and vice presidential nominee. He also never chased interns around his office.

I'd guess 90 percent of NFL players suffered concussions sometime in their careers. Few were twice accused of sexual assault.

Forget all those thousands of players. Here's a partial list of quarterbacks who suffered concussions.

Bob Greise
Joe Montana, Troy Aikman, Roger Staubach, Jim Kelly, Steve Young, Kurt Warner, Bob Griese, Elvis Grbac, Brett Favre, Dan Marino, Terry Bradshaw, Bart Starr, Y.A. Tittle, Drew Bledsoe, John Elway, Warren Moon, Dan Fouts, Trent Green, Drew Brees, Ken Stabler and Tim Tebow.

Not all were Tebows, of course. But none ended up in a women's bathroom at 2 a.m. If they did, the 20-year-old sorority girl they were buying shots for never called the police afterward.

But the Concussion Defense has its proponents. O.J. Simpson's lawyers got a doctor to testify that The Juice had some head issues. Who are we to argue with that?

Just think of the rush to non-judgment this could lead to. Jesse James could tell Sandra Bullock he was hit over the head by that tattoo model. And you just know the Nike ad guys are kicking around a new ad where the disembodied voice of Earl Woods tells his son:

"I told you not to ride your bike without a helmet!"

Elin would get a kick out of that one. We all know poor Tiger suffered from sexual addiction.

There's an excuse for everything these days. But I reiterate, I'm no authority on cranial matters. Even the authorities aren't authoritative enough.

Brain damage is a mystery scientists are just now unraveling. Given the growing concern over concussions, Baltimore's Matt Birk, Seattle's Lofa Tatupu and Arizona's Sean Morey announced last year they will donate their brains to research. After they die, of course.

They are the first active NFL players to do so. If Roethlisberger joined them, my guess is we'd discover his problem was indeed related to blows to the head.

Somewhere along the line, somebody needed to knock some sense into it.

SteelCrazy
04-30-2010, 02:05 AM
There is different levels of concussions you MORON! I would have to believe the concussion Ben received in his motorcycle accident is a little more severe then your average concussion 3.8 million youths experienced last year. Ben almost died from his head injury. Some people have no common sense at all.

Shawn
04-30-2010, 04:31 AM
Mr. Whitley isn't just a moron...he is an insulting one at that. Ben had major head trauma...not just football concussions. So, he is upset that certain medical experts want to look into whether Ben's actions might have a physical reason? This should insult anyone who has ever had a brain injury who's behavior has been effected by that injury. Should medical experts just tell those people to behave themselves and not look into possible causes for the behavior? He should hope that no one in his family ever suffers from something like this. I would think he would want physician's to look into all possible medical issues.

I don't know if Ben's issues are related to his head trauma. At this point it's impossible to say. He might just get drunk and stupid. But, don't you think we owe it to him to look into possible medical issues? Isn't that the right thing to do?

This writer should be fired for these comments.

steelblood
04-30-2010, 07:59 AM
If Ben's head injuries have been so severe that they are causing long term personality changes, he should not be allowed to play again. We can't have it both ways. We can't say that he is okay to play and that he has long term personality disorders from injuries.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
04-30-2010, 08:08 AM
There are no lingering effects from concussions from this violent sport of football that is to blame. He could have saved alot of typing and just worded it this way. I will play editor.


Stop Excuses, Before I Lose My Mind

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4/28/2010 5:02 PM ET By David Whitley


I'm no forensic psychologist, and I know concussions can lead to depression, memory loss, emotional instability, cognitive impairment and sleep disorders. It is apparent that these concussions are not to blame for Roethlisberger's behavior. What Roethlisberger does suffer from is three diseases found in young, successful, & immature sport figures that will be difficult to overcome. Stupidity, LB (Lady Buffetism), and Alcoholism. Although the treatments are difficult, there is a cure for all. Stay home, Use your hand, & Drink Milk! Immaturity is a mystery scientists are just now unraveling. Given the growing concern over his behavior over the last year, Roethlisberger announced last week he will donate his brains to research. After his next incident, of course. Hopefully the research on Roethlisberger's brain will never happen.


Much Better!

HeHateMe
04-30-2010, 08:08 AM
If Ben's head injuries have been so severe that they are causing long term personality changes, he should not be allowed to play again. We can't have it both ways. We can't say that he is okay to play and that he has long term personality disorders from injuries.

Great point. The problem with most Steeler fans is that they don't think logically. We are biased. Look at the posts above. NOW Ben almost died because of a head injury. I thought he almost died because of an artery (excessive bleeding). See how Ben fans mold the injuries to fit their arguments? I wonder if Muhammad Ali had Ben like situations??????????

cruzer8
04-30-2010, 08:25 AM
If Ben's head injuries have been so severe that they are causing long term personality changes, he should not be allowed to play again. We can't have it both ways. We can't say that he is okay to play and that he has long term personality disorders from injuries.

I suggest you do some googling on traumatic brain injuries and personality changes. Personality changes are an after effect and have nothing to do with a person's ability to perform their job. Even if that job is playing football.

Also should mention that Ben nearly bled to death. His brain wasn't getting oxygen. You know, because it's carried by blood. See, nearly dying by bleeding like he was is a result of vital organs, including the brain, shutting down due to lack of oxygen. Lack of oxygen is what causes damage even when a person survives.

I probably shouldn't have responded to the troll (not you steelblood) but I couldn't help myself because it's fun to point out what an idiot he is.

HeHateMe
04-30-2010, 08:35 AM
Hey troll lack of BLOOD is not the same as lack of OXYGEN. You do know the difference don't you? Apparently NOT. PROVE Ben's brain wasnt getting any oxygen. Don't worry I'll wait lol
That's what happens when you are reaching for an EXCUSE. You end up posting inaccuracies and looking like a clown as a result of it.
FYI- Ben's accident was in 06 IF he had damage the indicators would have shown IMMEDIATELY. They wouldnt lie dormant until 09-10.
NEXT EXCUSE?

Slapstick
04-30-2010, 08:54 AM
You have no idea what you are talking about...

But, I'm sure that you are accustomed to that...

RuthlessBurgher
04-30-2010, 09:23 AM
Hey troll lack of BLOOD is not the same as lack of OXYGEN.

I'm not taking sides on whether or not Ben's motorcycle accident may or may not have contributed to his behavioral issues, because, frankly I have no idea. However...

How in the hell do you think that oxygen gets to vital organs? If blood can't get there, those organs aren't getting any new oxygen. I'm not a doctor, and I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn last night, but even I know that.

feltdizz
04-30-2010, 09:26 AM
The only argument I buy is alcohol induced behavior changing Ben since the accident.

I still believe Ben is just a hard headed guy who does what he wants... As the wins piled up and the fame and money grew so did the entitlement. It's not the first time fame and money have corrupted.

Maybe Ben should do a People magazine cover holding his adopted black baby and announce he is going sober. Sorry but I couldn't resist, Sandra Bullock did it and changed the whole story of her cheating Nazi porn loving tattooed husband. She even slipped in how she wants Jesse James to be the great dad he can be with the new kid. An adopted black baby changes everything. :mrgreen: I kid I kid...

ANPSTEEL
04-30-2010, 10:19 AM
...
Maybe Ben should do a People magazine cover holding his adopted black baby and announce he is going sober. ....


There you go, spoiling it for the rest of us-

That was gonna be my plan.

doh!

:lol:

frankthetank1
04-30-2010, 10:25 AM
The only argument I buy is alcohol induced behavior changing Ben since the accident.

I still believe Ben is just a hard headed guy who does what he wants... As the wins piled up and the fame and money grew so did the entitlement. It's not the first time fame and money have corrupted.

Maybe Ben should do a People magazine cover holding his adopted black baby and announce he is going sober. Sorry but I couldn't resist, Sandra Bullock did it and changed the whole story of her cheating Nazi porn loving tattooed husband. She even slipped in how she wants Jesse James to be the great dad he can be with the new kid. An adopted black baby changes everything. :mrgreen: I kid I kid...

:lol: :lol: :lol:

steelblood
04-30-2010, 10:40 AM
If Ben's head injuries have been so severe that they are causing long term personality changes, he should not be allowed to play again. We can't have it both ways. We can't say that he is okay to play and that he has long term personality disorders from injuries.

I suggest you do some googling on traumatic brain injuries and personality changes. Personality changes are an after effect and have nothing to do with a person's ability to perform their job. Even if that job is playing football.

Also should mention that Ben nearly bled to death. His brain wasn't getting oxygen. You know, because it's carried by blood. See, nearly dying by bleeding like he was is a result of vital organs, including the brain, shutting down due to lack of oxygen. Lack of oxygen is what causes damage even when a person survives.

I probably shouldn't have responded to the troll (not you steelblood) but I couldn't help myself because it's fun to point out what an idiot he is.

You say...

"Personality changes...have nothing to do with a person's ability to perform their job."

That may be the dumbest thing I've read this week. I've been a manager for 20 years. Personality changes can and usually do affect a person's ability to do their job. If we are going to claim that Ben's injuries have affected his judgement to the point that he is making very poor choices in his private life, then we must also demand that the Steelers sit him down until doctors figure out the extent of the damage and just how in control he is. Furthermore, if his brain is damaged to the point that it is affecting his personality what damage could another concussion do? We simply can't explain away his behavior as brain damage and then pat him on the back and send him out for more.

Slapstick
04-30-2010, 11:17 AM
You say...

"Personality changes...have nothing to do with a person's ability to perform their job."

That may be the dumbest thing I've read this week. I've been a manager for 20 years. Personality changes can and usually do affect a person's ability to do their job. If we are going to claim that Ben's injuries have affected his judgement to the point that he is making very poor choices in his private life, then we must also demand that the Steelers sit him down until doctors figure out the extent of the damage and just how in control he is. Furthermore, if his brain is damaged to the point that it is affecting his personality what damage could another concussion do? We simply can't explain away his behavior as brain damage and then pat him on the back and send him out for more.

Unless he receives therapy, which many people do...

cruzer8
04-30-2010, 11:20 AM
If Ben's head injuries have been so severe that they are causing long term personality changes, he should not be allowed to play again. We can't have it both ways. We can't say that he is okay to play and that he has long term personality disorders from injuries.

I suggest you do some googling on traumatic brain injuries and personality changes. Personality changes are an after effect and have nothing to do with a person's ability to perform their job. Even if that job is playing football.

Also should mention that Ben nearly bled to death. His brain wasn't getting oxygen. You know, because it's carried by blood. See, nearly dying by bleeding like he was is a result of vital organs, including the brain, shutting down due to lack of oxygen. Lack of oxygen is what causes damage even when a person survives.

I probably shouldn't have responded to the troll (not you steelblood) but I couldn't help myself because it's fun to point out what an idiot he is.

You say...

"Personality changes...have nothing to do with a person's ability to perform their job."

That may be the dumbest thing I've read this week. I've been a manager for 20 years. Personality changes can and usually do affect a person's ability to do their job. If we are going to claim that Ben's injuries have affected his judgement to the point that he is making very poor choices in his private life, then we must also demand that the Steelers sit him down until doctors figure out the extent of the damage and just how in control he is. Furthermore, if his brain is damaged to the point that it is affecting his personality what damage could another concussion do? We simply can't explain away his behavior as brain damage and then pat him on the back and send him out for more.

Personality changes are a result of head trauma. The injuries heal but the symptoms (personality changes) remain.

I should have expanded on what I posted and I apologize for that. What I should have added is with self-awarness those personality changes can be overcome so a person can still do their job.

For example, if it was the trauma he suffered in the cycle accident that caused this change in personality then I think it's safe to say he was able to continue to do his job. So his focus must be in resisting urges, impulses and the like while off the field.

If he were in the service industry and acting like a jerk then sure, his personality changes would make it very difficult for him to do his job unless he could learn to focus on the issue with his personality.

But he's a football player so his personality while on the field doesn't matter as long as he's getting the job done. His challenge (if the head trauma proves to have any merit in all of this) is off the field.

feltdizz
04-30-2010, 11:24 AM
This is getting close to a caged animal type argument. Ben can work miracles on the field but off it he is a raping lunatic frothing at the mouth... Just cage him up and let him out for practice and games. Outside the lines he is an animal, a terror.. the running man!!!

If the guy is really this damaged off the field he shouldn't be allowed on it. Now we al don't want that to happen.... so let's stop wishing for trauma excuses and just let the man sober up and stop being an azzz off the field.

I've met a few celebs and had the priviledge of being in their presence for extended periods of time at afterparties and fashion week in NYC. Trust me when I say this... a lot of celebrities do not live in reality. People who aren't in their circle aren't seen as humans... they are seen as worker bees or idiots who couldn't figure out how to be famous like they are. They don't carry money with them because they don't expect to pay for anything. The gift bag at fashion week had about $10,000 worth of stuff in it and I watched a celeb just give it all too my friend because he gets stuff like that on a daily basis.

Now football players are a little different because they really take punishment for their paycheck but I'm sure Ben is given free stuff all the time and this is why he wants to walk in bars for free... he generates cash so he expects kickbacks..

I think Ben was just a little to comfortable with his celebrity and refused to see the target on his back. I have no idea about medical terms or the accuracy of the diagnoses.

But I know liquor, fame and hot young booty can bring out the worst in any man or woman.

Slapstick
04-30-2010, 12:04 PM
And once he undergoes a medical evaluation, we will know for sure...

birtikidis
04-30-2010, 12:34 PM
or maybe all this is just being overblown, he's innocent and been guilty of just a bad day or two (those days people say he's a d**k).
There's a lot of guessing going on about the type of person ben is. I think for the most part, the general public, the tabloids, and every other source of our information is not completely accurate. when you sift through all the SH1T, there isn't any proof that he's anything or done anything that he shouldn't have.

Shawn
04-30-2010, 02:50 PM
The only argument I buy is alcohol induced behavior changing Ben since the accident.

I still believe Ben is just a hard headed guy who does what he wants... As the wins piled up and the fame and money grew so did the entitlement. It's not the first time fame and money have corrupted.

Maybe Ben should do a People magazine cover holding his adopted black baby and announce he is going sober. Sorry but I couldn't resist, Sandra Bullock did it and changed the whole story of her cheating Nazi porn loving tattooed husband. She even slipped in how she wants Jesse James to be the great dad he can be with the new kid. An adopted black baby changes everything. :mrgreen: I kid I kid...

Yeah...evil white people love to use black babies as pawns. :lol:

steelblood
05-01-2010, 11:18 AM
If Ben's head injuries have been so severe that they are causing long term personality changes, he should not be allowed to play again. We can't have it both ways. We can't say that he is okay to play and that he has long term personality disorders from injuries.

I suggest you do some googling on traumatic brain injuries and personality changes. Personality changes are an after effect and have nothing to do with a person's ability to perform their job. Even if that job is playing football.

Also should mention that Ben nearly bled to death. His brain wasn't getting oxygen. You know, because it's carried by blood. See, nearly dying by bleeding like he was is a result of vital organs, including the brain, shutting down due to lack of oxygen. Lack of oxygen is what causes damage even when a person survives.

I probably shouldn't have responded to the troll (not you steelblood) but I couldn't help myself because it's fun to point out what an idiot he is.

You say...

"Personality changes...have nothing to do with a person's ability to perform their job."

That may be the dumbest thing I've read this week. I've been a manager for 20 years. Personality changes can and usually do affect a person's ability to do their job. If we are going to claim that Ben's injuries have affected his judgement to the point that he is making very poor choices in his private life, then we must also demand that the Steelers sit him down until doctors figure out the extent of the damage and just how in control he is. Furthermore, if his brain is damaged to the point that it is affecting his personality what damage could another concussion do? We simply can't explain away his behavior as brain damage and then pat him on the back and send him out for more.

Personality changes are a result of head trauma. The injuries heal but the symptoms (personality changes) remain.

I should have expanded on what I posted and I apologize for that. What I should have added is with self-awarness those personality changes can be overcome so a person can still do their job.

For example, if it was the trauma he suffered in the cycle accident that caused this change in personality then I think it's safe to say he was able to continue to do his job. So his focus must be in resisting urges, impulses and the like while off the field.

If he were in the service industry and acting like a jerk then sure, his personality changes would make it very difficult for him to do his job unless he could learn to focus on the issue with his personality.

But he's a football player so his personality while on the field doesn't matter as long as he's getting the job done. His challenge (if the head trauma proves to have any merit in all of this) is off the field.

I never argued that Ben doesn't have personality changes as a result of head trauma. I never argued that head injuries didn't cause personality changes. I simply pointed out that we can't (or at least shouldn't) claim that Ben's problems are a result of damage to his brain and then send him out to play without figuring out the extent of the damage and how his personality has changed. It is irresponsible. If you believe that his brain is so damaged or altered that it has changed his personality, then further physical examination is necessary and extensive tests are necessary before the team should allow him to continue playing or practicing.

Yes, the swelling and immediate trauma heals, but there is damage. That is why subsequent concussions have a greater effect. If Ben is to the point where his concussions are causing his brain and personality to morph, I fear what his next concussion will bring.

cruzer8
05-01-2010, 11:44 AM
I never argued that Ben doesn't have personality changes as a result of head trauma. I never argued that head injuries didn't cause personality changes. I simply pointed out that we can't (or at least shouldn't) claim that Ben's problems are a result of damage to his brain and then send him out to play without figuring out the extent of the damage and how his personality has changed. It is irresponsible. If you believe that his brain is so damaged or altered that it has changed his personality, then further physical examination is necessary and extensive tests are necessary before the team should allow him to continue playing or practicing.

Yes, the swelling and immediate trauma heals, but there is damage. That is why subsequent concussions have a greater effect. If Ben is to the point where his concussions are causing his brain and personality to morph, I fear what his next concussion will bring.

We're talking "head meets windshield" trauma. Not football concussion trauma.

Totally different animal.

And again the point is there are people out there who's brains have healed but the after effects (personality changes, speaking other languages and the like) linger. Those folks are no longer in danger because the trauma altered their brain. They're not in a continued state of injury nor or they (in some cases) more susceptible to additional injury than anyone else.

But of course at this point we don't know if there is any merit to any of this. It's simply a possibility being discussed.

I also don't see anyone claiming that this should just be dismissed as personality changes due to head trauma, no big whoop, send him out there to play.

SS Laser
05-01-2010, 04:17 PM
I think some of Ben's problems are just the fact that he "almost died" in the motorcycle accident. It can cause one to rethink there life for the good or bad. He has lost a person close to him also. Death can alter the way one looks at life. My thinking is F*%& it lets party it up before I die. Drill as may Bi*&^ as I can. Live life to the fullest.

It could also be a drinking problem used to mask other problems in his life.