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Shawn
04-22-2010, 01:38 PM
There is a medical term for Ben's issues...just wondered if this sounded familiar.

Acquired situational narcissism (ASN) is a form of narcissism that develops in late adolescence or adulthood, brought on by wealth, fame and the other trappings of celebrity. It was coined by Robert B. Millman, professor of psychiatry at the Weill Cornell Medical College of Cornell University.

ASN differs from conventional narcissism in that it develops after childhood and is triggered and supported by the celebrity-obsessed society: fans, assistants and tabloid media all play into the idea that the person really is vastly more important than other people, triggering a narcissistic problem that might have been only a tendency, or latent, and helping it to become a full-blown personality disorder.

In its presentation and symptoms, it is indistinguishable from narcissistic personality disorder, differing only in its late onset and its support by large numbers of others. The person with ASN may suffer from unstable relationships, substance abuse and erratic behaviour.

proudpittsburgher
04-22-2010, 01:40 PM
Sorry Shawn, I'.m not going down that road with you. Personally, I think people invent this stuff to hide their self-imposed inadaquacies behind. Ben needs to make the decision to grow up. I don't need a medical degree for that diagnosis.

Jom112
04-22-2010, 01:47 PM
I'm sure there's a pill for it...:)

RuthlessBurgher
04-22-2010, 01:50 PM
I'm sure there's a pill for it...:)

As long as the pill isn't called Viagra or Cialis. :shock: :wink:

SanAntonioSteelerFan
04-22-2010, 01:50 PM
But does insurance cover it?

There's a fancy term for everything. It used to be called just being a d*ck.

Shawn
04-22-2010, 01:51 PM
Sorry Shawn, I'.m not going down that road with you. Personally, I think people invent this stuff to hide their self-imposed inadaquacies behind. Ben needs to make the decision to grow up. I don't need a medical degree for that diagnosis.

Fair enough...but you do realize you would have quite a few very educated medical types that would disagree with you.

I have heard these arguments before...with addicts, alcoholics, food addicts, sex addicts, bi-polars, schizophrenics, depressives etc. Hey...mind over matter...quit making excuses for your bad behavior, drama queen, quit faking it, you just need will power etc and so on. These statments come from the educated and uneducated alike.

People who says things like these share some common believes and traits 1) They believe medicine is trying to make excuses for bad behavior 2) They don't understand neurochemical physiology.

Very few people laugh at the man with lung cancer because he was addicted to cigarettes. But, many people laugh at the 400 pound woman wearing the Steelers shirt. Why the difference? Both have addictions leading to their eventual death and both share the same addictive neurochemiocal pathways.

Understanding the source for poor behavior or habits is not making excuses. It's understanding a disease process so we can better treat it. How well does will power work for the alcoholic? If Ben does have ASN...he will not be able to change without treatment. That should matter for every Steeler fan.

Gus
04-22-2010, 01:55 PM
Well, at least submit this to the league as Ben's full behavioral evaluation so that he can get back to practicing w/his teammates.
:lol:

proudpittsburgher
04-22-2010, 02:02 PM
Sorry Shawn, I'.m not going down that road with you. Personally, I think people invent this stuff to hide their self-imposed inadaquacies behind. Ben needs to make the decision to grow up. I don't need a medical degree for that diagnosis.

Fair enough...but you do realize you would have quite a few very educated medical types that would disagree with you.

I have heard these arguments before...with addicts, alcoholics, food addicts, sex addicts, bi-polars, schizophrenics, depressives etc. Hey...mind over matter...quit making excuses for your bad behavior, drama queen, quit faking it, you just need will power etc and so on. These statments come from the educated and uneducated alike.

People who says things like these share some common believes and traits 1) They believe medicine is trying to make excuses for bad behavior 2) They don't understand neurochemical physiology.

Very few people laugh at the man with lung cancer because he was addicted to cigarettes. But, many people laugh at the 400 pound woman wearing the Steelers shirt. Why the difference? Both have addictions leading to their eventual death and both share the same addictive neurochemiocal pathways.

Understanding the source for poor behavior or habits is not making excuses. It's understanding a disease process so we can better treat it. How well does will power work for the alcoholic? If Ben does have ASN...he will not be able to change without treatment. That should matter for every Steeler fan.


No, I understand, and I am not saying you are wrong about many of your examples. But I see a 28 year old guy who likes to party and have sex with whomever he wants and acts a bit entitled. And I am not going to let him hide behind a medical abriviation, much less the crutch of a disease, when people who never smoked a day in their life battle cancer which will eventually take their life. I love Big Ben, and I want him here in Pittsburgh, but I am not going to justify his bad decisions by blaming them on a disease.

Shawn
04-22-2010, 02:08 PM
Sorry Shawn, I'.m not going down that road with you. Personally, I think people invent this stuff to hide their self-imposed inadaquacies behind. Ben needs to make the decision to grow up. I don't need a medical degree for that diagnosis.

Fair enough...but you do realize you would have quite a few very educated medical types that would disagree with you.

I have heard these arguments before...with addicts, alcoholics, food addicts, sex addicts, bi-polars, schizophrenics, depressives etc. Hey...mind over matter...quit making excuses for your bad behavior, drama queen, quit faking it, you just need will power etc and so on. These statments come from the educated and uneducated alike.

People who says things like these share some common believes and traits 1) They believe medicine is trying to make excuses for bad behavior 2) They don't understand neurochemical physiology.

Very few people laugh at the man with lung cancer because he was addicted to cigarettes. But, many people laugh at the 400 pound woman wearing the Steelers shirt. Why the difference? Both have addictions leading to their eventual death and both share the same addictive neurochemiocal pathways.

Understanding the source for poor behavior or habits is not making excuses. It's understanding a disease process so we can better treat it. How well does will power work for the alcoholic? If Ben does have ASN...he will not be able to change without treatment. That should matter for every Steeler fan.


No, I understand, and I am not saying you are wrong about many of your examples. But I see a 28 year old guy who likes to party and have sex with whomever he wants and acts a bit entitled. And I am not going to let him hide behind a medical abriviation, much less the crutch of a disease, when people who never smoked a day in their life battle cancer which will eventually take their life. I love Big Ben, and I want him here in Pittsburgh, but I am not going to justify his bad decisions by blaming them on a disease.

Again, it's not justification. While you could be right about Ben...there is a reason he is getting a full psychological evaluation. Sometimes bad behavior is just that...being a douchebag. But, sometimes there is more beneath the surface and getting to the source of it is the only way someone will change and recover.

For those that believe understanding disease processes somehow "justify" poor behavior...I suggest sitting in on an open AA meeting. There is no group of people I have ever met that own their ish better than those people.

cruzer8
04-22-2010, 02:33 PM
Or sometimes a guy goes out to a bar, gets accused of something, charges aren't brought but everyone in the world believes 3 drunk sorrority girls.

I wonder if there's a term for that affliction.......believing everything that is read in the tabloids and taking it at face value?

proudpittsburgher
04-22-2010, 02:37 PM
Or sometimes a guy goes out to a bar, gets accused of something, charges aren't brought but everyone in the world believes 3 drunk sorrority girls.

I wonder if there's a term for that affliction.......believing everything that is read in the tabloids and taking it at face value?


Um, he's got Acute tabloidal naivitism, or ATN. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ben pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious. :lol:

aggiebones
04-22-2010, 02:39 PM
Personally I think its concussion related and it causes him to do dumb things because his brain ain't working right.

cruzer8
04-22-2010, 02:43 PM
Or sometimes a guy goes out to a bar, gets accused of something, charges aren't brought but everyone in the world believes 3 drunk sorrority girls.

I wonder if there's a term for that affliction.......believing everything that is read in the tabloids and taking it at face value?


Um, he's got Acute tabloidal naivitism, or ATN. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ben pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious. :lol:

LOL!

feltdizz
04-22-2010, 02:54 PM
I think being a D*ck is spot on.... LOL. This definition for ASN seems like it's reserved for Octamom, Tila Tekillya and Kate Gosselin... people who have no talent but found a way to get 15 minutes of tabloid fame and actually think they are stars.

Ben on the other hand IS a star and deserves all the stardom and fame he has... it just seems like he refuses to respect the burden his fame and wealth bring. You can be a D*ck when you are a nobody.... but when you are one of the top 10 faces of the NFL you have to think more and do less.

Whether tabloid speculation or lies.. damn lies.. a guy like Ben has to go to greater lengths to protect his brand and the shield he works for.

MeetJoeGreene
04-22-2010, 04:19 PM
Its like I always say: "You can't spell asinine without A S N"

Ozey74
04-22-2010, 04:42 PM
But I see a 28 year old guy who likes to party and have sex with whomever he wants and acts a bit entitled. And I am not going to let him hide behind a medical abriviation,


:Agree

If he was Ben Roethlisberger, the accountant, I bet he wouldn't have these problems. He needs to grow up & make the right choices that most of us agree that he is capable of making.

SteelAbility
04-22-2010, 04:52 PM
I though ASN was ACute Chick Situational Narcissism. There's a little bit of that in all of us Alpha Male wannabes. :wink:

AngryAsian
04-22-2010, 05:05 PM
I hope one day we are able to see a pic of this sorority girl. She better be a knockout for all this trouble. I mean $2,800,000.00+ beautiful!

proudpittsburgher
04-22-2010, 05:06 PM
Its like I always say: "You can't spell asinine without A S N"


:Bow :Bow :lol: :lol: :Clap :Clap :D :D :Bow :Bow

SteelCrazy
04-22-2010, 05:15 PM
Well, at least submit this to the league as Ben's full behavioral evaluation so that he can get back to practicing w/his teammates.
:lol:

now thats funny.........

TallyStiller
04-22-2010, 06:15 PM
Personally recently diagnosed with bipolar and general anxiety disorders... medications are making a HUGE difference in my life. My job performance is improved, my personal relationships are better... but, I ended up getting the diagnoses only AFTER developing my faith and choosing to leave behind destructive addictions - in other words, to me, both are correct. Brain chemistry can make it HARDER for a person to live within social boundaries, but a person has to accept those boundaries and choose to live within them before medication, counseling, therapy, whatever, will do any good.

Hopefully, the most important and underappreciated aspect of this whole episode with Ben turns out to be the "intensive behavioral counseling", and if he does indeed suffer from a personality disorder, the high priced doctor hired by the team or league helps fix it.

Read an article in SI last year about Zack Greinke, the reigning AL Cy Young winner for those of you non - baseball fans, and how the Royals helped him deliver on his promise by getting him treatment for anxiety disorder, turning him from the 5 - 17, 5.50 ERA bum he was in '06 to the practically unhittable beast he was in '09. In fixing his issues between his ears through therapy and medication, they helped him realize his potential.

If we can just turn Ben into a responsible citizen, I'll take it.

TallyStiller
04-22-2010, 06:20 PM
And Shawn, thanks for providing something that helps me make a little sense of Ben's seemingly senseless behavior. Doesn't excuse an ounce of it, but is useful in helping one to forgive it and have hope that more of the same isn't in the future.

JAR
04-22-2010, 06:27 PM
Or sometimes a guy goes out to a bar, gets accused of something, charges aren't brought but everyone in the world believes 3 drunk sorrority girls.

I wonder if there's a term for that affliction.......believing everything that is read in the tabloids and taking it at face value?

Yup, it's called 'sheepism' :lol:

Shawn
04-22-2010, 07:42 PM
And Shawn, thanks for providing something that helps me make a little sense of Ben's seemingly senseless behavior. Doesn't excuse an ounce of it, but is useful in helping one to forgive it and have hope that more of the same isn't in the future.


No problem Tally...I'm glad someone took the post seriously. It's jokes to those who don't suffer from some sort of mental affliction. But, to those with these illnesses it can be hell. I appreciate you sharing something very personal.

Ozey74
04-22-2010, 10:31 PM
I hope one day we are able to see a pic of this sorority girl. She better be a knockout for all this trouble. I mean $2,800,000.00+ beautiful!


For as much as Ben risked, I hope she was a 10 with a snatch that smelled like bubble gum.

I hope she was much better looking than the gal in Tahoe.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
04-22-2010, 11:17 PM
I hope one day we are able to see a pic of this sorority girl. She better be a knockout for all this trouble. I mean $2,800,000.00+ beautiful!


For as much as Ben risked, I hope she was a 10 with a snatch that smelled like bubble gum.

I hope she was much better looking than the gal in Tahoe.

Based on the pics of girls Ben likes to be photographed, I'd say probably more like a 6 or 7.

SteelAbility
04-23-2010, 10:40 AM
I hope one day we are able to see a pic of this sorority girl. She better be a knockout for all this trouble. I mean $2,800,000.00+ beautiful!


For as much as Ben risked, I hope she was a 10 with a snatch that smelled like bubble gum.

I hope she was much better looking than the gal in Tahoe.

Based on the pics of girls Ben likes to be photographed, I'd say probably more like a 6 or 7.

But drinking alcohol results in a 3-4 point up-shift. So, I guess, that explains it. :lol:

proudpittsburgher
04-23-2010, 10:46 AM
And Shawn, thanks for providing something that helps me make a little sense of Ben's seemingly senseless behavior. Doesn't excuse an ounce of it, but is useful in helping one to forgive it and have hope that more of the same isn't in the future.


Actually, none of this has been a proven affliction for Ben, Shawn just brought it up as a possibility. The jury is stil out on whether or not he could just be a douschbag. :)