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SanAntonioSteelerFan
04-22-2010, 02:25 AM
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hawaiiansteel
04-22-2010, 02:30 AM
no, we could still trade Ben for a 2nd rounder this year and something conditional next year...

sometimes the best trades are the ones you don't make, here's hoping Ben remains a Steeler - :Cheers

SteelBucks
04-22-2010, 07:08 AM
I'd say we're safe....but then again I never thought Holmes would get traded for a 5th round pick, so what do I know.

SteelAbility
04-22-2010, 07:36 AM
The big problem in a Ben trade is that the perceived potential for !^&&@#%#$!@% up is HUGE ... on both sides. I simply don't think that the supply and demand sides can come to a meeting of the minds.

That being said, you do have a very good (implied) point. The biggest potential for a Ben trade involves the draft, especially given that the Steelers have historically valued draft higher than free agency.

JTP53609
04-22-2010, 08:21 AM
whether he stays or not, this year if he does play and he is playing well, are steeler fans going to gripe when manning, brady and brees get all the media attention, because I have heard enough of roethlisbergers name for the past 2 months....

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
04-22-2010, 08:35 AM
No. If Lefty or Dixon play well and the Steelers come out of the suspension in a say 3-1 or 4-2 (depending on how long) I say he is back on the block.

proudpittsburgher
04-22-2010, 09:54 AM
My take on this, and it means close to nothing since my last name isn't Rooney, is this. . .

if we get through the first 10 picks and we do not here those six words, "We have a trade to announce" the chance of him getting moved goes way, way down.

If we make a pick at 18 that is not a QB, the chance of him getting dealt is as remote as can be.

If we get through the rest for the draft and no trade is announced, well, look for Ben to be under center for week 6.

Also, am I the only one who thinks people making a case for Dennis Dixon to be a quality starting quarterback for the Steelers and a suitable replacement for Ben after one start are smoking better weed than Santonio Holmes?

SteelAbility
04-22-2010, 10:09 AM
No. If Lefty or Dixon play well and the Steelers come out of the suspension in a say 3-1 or 4-2 (depending on how long) I say he is back on the block.

I see your reasoning, but regular season play and playoff play are two different things. FEW QBs have the performance under pressure that Ben does. It would also depends on WHY we go 3-1 or 4-2. If the D plays like it did in 08, stifling and giving up 11-12 points per game ....

ikestops85
04-22-2010, 10:14 AM
My take on this, and it means close to nothing since my last name isn't Rooney, is this. . .

if we get through the first 10 picks and we do not here those six words, "We have a trade to announce" the chance of him getting moved goes way, way down.

If we make a pick at 18 that is not a QB, the chance of him getting dealt is as remote as can be.

If we get through the rest for the draft and no trade is announced, well, look for Ben to be under center for week 6.

Also, am I the only one who thinks people making a case for Dennis Dixon to be a quality starting quarterback for the Steelers and a suitable replacement for Ben after one start are smoking better weed than Santonio Holmes?

I agree ... anyone who thinks they can even evaluate Dixon after one game have been partaking in the ganja laced with some good sh!t

JTP53609
04-22-2010, 11:38 AM
My take on this, and it means close to nothing since my last name isn't Rooney, is this. . .

if we get through the first 10 picks and we do not here those six words, "We have a trade to announce" the chance of him getting moved goes way, way down.

If we make a pick at 18 that is not a QB, the chance of him getting dealt is as remote as can be.

If we get through the rest for the draft and no trade is announced, well, look for Ben to be under center for week 6.

Also, am I the only one who thinks people making a case for Dennis Dixon to be a quality starting quarterback for the Steelers and a suitable replacement for Ben after one start are smoking better weed than Santonio Holmes?

I agree ... anyone who thinks they can even evaluate Dixon after one game have been partaking in the ganja laced with some good sh!t


its when people talk using their hearts more than their brain, no offense to anyone, I am the biggest steeler, pirate, penguin fan you will meet and i also think with my heart, but in reality dixon has really not shown us much other than he can run, I am not going to kid myself and say he is a franchise qb yet, just like how I am not going to kid myself and say holmes will not be missed and baltimore did not get better...

pfelix73
04-22-2010, 11:48 AM
I don't even think Dixon will be starting those games - Leftwich will.

Could be wrong, but Leftwich has more experience.

Ben ain't going anywhere.

:tt1

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
04-22-2010, 11:55 AM
No. If Lefty or Dixon play well and the Steelers come out of the suspension in a say 3-1 or 4-2 (depending on how long) I say he is back on the block.

I see your reasoning, but regular season play and playoff play are two different things. FEW QBs have the performance under pressure that Ben does. It would also depends on WHY we go 3-1 or 4-2. If the D plays like it did in 08, stifling and giving up 11-12 points per game ....

You need to play the regular season to get to the playoffs don't you? Every QB that comes into this league has never played a playoff game before. How a QB plays in the playoff is just something you evaluate if & when he gets there. If Dixon or Lefty win games by performing well, the Steelers will be open to move Ben. If we struggle and Ben comes out of the suspension a changed man, he will be given the chance to rally the team around him. What Ben has done for the Steelers in the past is in the past in the Steelers eyes...He has to start from scratch. As much as I like Ben, I stand behind the Steelers decisions no matter what.

SteelAbility
04-22-2010, 12:42 PM
[quote="JUST-PLAIN-NASTY":26ge144v]No. If Lefty or Dixon play well and the Steelers come out of the suspension in a say 3-1 or 4-2 (depending on how long) I say he is back on the block.

I see your reasoning, but regular season play and playoff play are two different things. FEW QBs have the performance under pressure that Ben does. It would also depends on WHY we go 3-1 or 4-2. If the D plays like it did in 08, stifling and giving up 11-12 points per game ....

You need to play the regular season to get to the playoffs don't you? Every QB that comes into this league has never played a playoff game before. How a QB plays in the playoff is just something you evaluate if & when he gets there. If Dixon or Lefty win games by performing well, the Steelers will be open to move Ben. If we struggle and Ben comes out of the suspension a changed man, he will be given the chance to rally the team around him. What Ben has done for the Steelers in the past is in the past in the Steelers eyes...He has to start from scratch. As much as I like Ben, I stand behind the Steelers decisions no matter what.[/quote:26ge144v]

Not seeing the connection with the price of tea in China. Why would you assume Ben would be a downgrade? Ben has been "tried by fire and proven" as far as playoffs go. Playoff performance wins championships. Ben is proven there. You don't throw that away because of the euphoria of some unexpected wins.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
04-22-2010, 01:45 PM
[quote="JUST-PLAIN-NASTY":3uemfd9t]No. If Lefty or Dixon play well and the Steelers come out of the suspension in a say 3-1 or 4-2 (depending on how long) I say he is back on the block.

I see your reasoning, but regular season play and playoff play are two different things. FEW QBs have the performance under pressure that Ben does. It would also depends on WHY we go 3-1 or 4-2. If the D plays like it did in 08, stifling and giving up 11-12 points per game ....

You need to play the regular season to get to the playoffs don't you? Every QB that comes into this league has never played a playoff game before. How a QB plays in the playoff is just something you evaluate if & when he gets there. If Dixon or Lefty win games by performing well, the Steelers will be open to move Ben. If we struggle and Ben comes out of the suspension a changed man, he will be given the chance to rally the team around him. What Ben has done for the Steelers in the past is in the past in the Steelers eyes...He has to start from scratch. As much as I like Ben, I stand behind the Steelers decisions no matter what.

Not seeing the connection with the price of tea in China. Why would you assume Ben would be a downgrade? Ben has been "tried by fire and proven" as far as playoffs go. Playoff performance wins championships. Ben is proven there. You don't throw that away because of the euphoria of some unexpected wins.[/quote:3uemfd9t]


What??? English please. What the he!! is the price of tea in China thing? Where do you see I said Ben is a downgrade? "Playoff performance wins championships"...Thanks for clearing that up. :? The Steelers being open to trading Ben after he serves his suspension has nothing to do with the "euphoria of some unexpected wins". It has more to do with that tiny little incident in Georgia which tarnished the Steelers organization. If the Steelers can put a good product on the field during Ben's suspension...He won't be safe until the Steelers are 100% sure they could rely on him.

I love Ben and know he is playoff proven. There isn't another QB in the league I would want on the field. It is the off the field garbage that is the concern. I don't want that, most Steeler fans don't want that, and most importantly the Rooneys don't want that. The questions was "are we safe". My answer was if the Steelers QBs play well and win games while Ben serves his suspension...The STeelers will still be "open" to move Ben. Didn't say they "should" or "will"! That was the question and Ben remaining in Pittsburgh will not be known until he proves he changed his ways and is walking a straight line. If he proves that through the 2010 season...I think he stays in Pittsburgh. Don't think for a second that everything is "A O K" if Ben is able to put on a Steelers uniform again after his suspension. That is only another step of a long journey in his comeback.

SteelAbility
04-22-2010, 03:03 PM
[quote=SteelAbility][quote="JUST-PLAIN-NASTY":hw60pr99]No. If Lefty or Dixon play well and the Steelers come out of the suspension in a say 3-1 or 4-2 (depending on how long) I say he is back on the block.

I see your reasoning, but regular season play and playoff play are two different things. FEW QBs have the performance under pressure that Ben does. It would also depends on WHY we go 3-1 or 4-2. If the D plays like it did in 08, stifling and giving up 11-12 points per game ....

You need to play the regular season to get to the playoffs don't you? Every QB that comes into this league has never played a playoff game before. How a QB plays in the playoff is just something you evaluate if & when he gets there. If Dixon or Lefty win games by performing well, the Steelers will be open to move Ben. If we struggle and Ben comes out of the suspension a changed man, he will be given the chance to rally the team around him. What Ben has done for the Steelers in the past is in the past in the Steelers eyes...He has to start from scratch. As much as I like Ben, I stand behind the Steelers decisions no matter what.

Not seeing the connection with the price of tea in China. Why would you assume Ben would be a downgrade? Ben has been "tried by fire and proven" as far as playoffs go. Playoff performance wins championships. Ben is proven there. You don't throw that away because of the euphoria of some unexpected wins.[/quote:hw60pr99]


What??? English please. What the he!! is the price of tea in China thing? Where do you see I said Ben is a downgrade? "Playoff performance wins championships"...Thanks for clearing that up. :? The Steelers being open to trading Ben after he serves his suspension has nothing to do with the "euphoria of some unexpected wins". It has more to do with that tiny little incident in Georgia which tarnished the Steelers organization. If the Steelers can put a good product on the field during Ben's suspension...He won't be safe until the Steelers are 100% sure they could rely on him.

I love Ben and know he is playoff proven. There isn't another QB in the league I would want on the field. It is the off the field garbage that is the concern. I don't want that, most Steeler fans don't want that, and most importantly the Rooneys don't want that. The questions was "are we safe". My answer was if the Steelers QBs play well and win games while Ben serves his suspension...The STeelers will still be "open" to move Ben. Didn't say they "should" or "will"! That was the question and Ben remaining in Pittsburgh will not be known until he proves he changed his ways and is walking a straight line. If he proves that through the 2010 season...I think he stays in Pittsburgh. Don't think for a second that everything is "A O K" if Ben is able to put on a Steelers uniform again after his suspension. That is only another step of a long journey in his comeback.[/quote:hw60pr99]

"The price of tea in China" is an expression used when someone makes an argument that one considers minimal or irrelevant. My point was that "you need to play in the regular season to get to the playoffs, don't you?" is minimal or irrelevant insofar as putting Ben up for a trade. I'm pretty sure you disagree. ;) I think somewhere in the mix we crossed signals or that perceived intent got mixed up with real intent.

Anyway, good points and clarification.

I just think Ben's playoff performance is way too strong for the Steelers to put him on the block, even if we play 0.750+ ball without him. Of course, that's pending his progress. I"m going to guess by that time that confidence level in the off-field will have moved up (but not necesarily).

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
04-22-2010, 04:20 PM
"The price of tea in China" is an expression used when someone makes an argument that one considers minimal or irrelevant. My point was that "you need to play in the regular season to get to the playoffs, don't you?" is minimal or irrelevant insofar as putting Ben up for a trade. I'm pretty sure you disagree. ;) I think somewhere in the mix we crossed signals or that perceived intent got mixed up with real intent.

Anyway, good points and clarification.

I just think Ben's playoff performance is way too strong for the Steelers to put him on the block, even if we play 0.750+ ball without him. Of course, that's pending his progress. I"m going to guess by that time that confidence level in the off-field will have moved up (but not necesarily).

I apologize...You didn't pick up on my sarcasm. You didn't have to explain yourself.

Maybe it would have been easier for me to just say that my comments have nothing to do with what Ben can do on the field. Any & All of the trade Ben talk is because of the off field incidents and not knowing if the situation will get better even after the suspension. It is also fueled by Ben's multiple incidents that tarnished the Steelers.

There shouldn't be any argument that Ben is one of the Top 3 QBs right now in the post season & under pressure. Ben's play on the field is no longer the most important part of the equation. The Rooney's actions & comments, or lack there of, are proof to this. So if the Steelers are having success without Ben, I believe the door will remain open until the FO is certain that Ben's problems are behind him. The problem is...he has a track record which makes it very hard to think he could change. I hope he does. We just need to hope that the Rooneys "think" he can so he gets the chance as a Steeler. If the Steelers don't allow him that chance, I'm behind the STeelers.

SteelAbility
04-22-2010, 04:54 PM
"The price of tea in China" is an expression used when someone makes an argument that one considers minimal or irrelevant. My point was that "you need to play in the regular season to get to the playoffs, don't you?" is minimal or irrelevant insofar as putting Ben up for a trade. I'm pretty sure you disagree. ;) I think somewhere in the mix we crossed signals or that perceived intent got mixed up with real intent.

Anyway, good points and clarification.

I just think Ben's playoff performance is way too strong for the Steelers to put him on the block, even if we play 0.750+ ball without him. Of course, that's pending his progress. I"m going to guess by that time that confidence level in the off-field will have moved up (but not necesarily).

I apologize...You didn't pick up on my sarcasm. You didn't have to explain yourself.

Maybe it would have been easier for me to just say that my comments have nothing to do with what Ben can do on the field. Any & All of the trade Ben talk is because of the off field incidents and not knowing if the situation will get better even after the suspension. It is also fueled by Ben's multiple incidents that tarnished the Steelers.

There shouldn't be any argument that Ben is one of the Top 3 QBs right now in the post season & under pressure. Ben's play on the field is no longer the most important part of the equation. The Rooney's actions & comments, or lack there of, are proof to this. So if the Steelers are having success without Ben, I believe the door will remain open until the FO is certain that Ben's problems are behind him. The problem is...he has a track record which makes it very hard to think he could change. I hope he does. We just need to hope that the Rooneys "think" he can so he gets the chance as a Steeler. If the Steelers don't allow him that chance, I'm behind the STeelers.

:Cheers

NJ-STEELER
04-22-2010, 05:04 PM
NFLN laconforta (SP?) says trading ben is a dead issue.

and the steelers were not actively shopping him. teams were calling them.

the team fully expects ben to be the QB in 2010 after serving his suspension

proudpittsburgher
04-22-2010, 05:09 PM
NFLN laconforta (SP?) says trading ben is a dead issue.

and the steelers were not actively shopping him. teams were calling them.

the team fully expects ben to be the QB in 2010 after serving his suspension


I think we all knew this, but somehow the story took on legs and snowballed into us getting a bag of footballs for him. I think I speak for all of us when I look at all those idiots who reported the crap after sourcing a locker room attendant and give them a big ole upper decker.

:loser

SanAntonioSteelerFan
04-22-2010, 11:12 PM
Well, for what it's worth, it's late on Thursday, and Ben is still a Steeler.

I bet he sleeps a little easier tonight.