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Flasteel
04-18-2010, 11:17 PM
Report: Suspension of Ben Roethlisberger coming by Tuesday
Posted by Mike Florio on April 18, 2010 10:44 PM ET
On Thursday, Steelers president Art Rooney said that the team would be working with the league regarding the imposition of discipline on quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, and that no suspension would be imminent. "I don't expect we will be announcing any final decisions until the week after the draft, at the earliest," Rooney said.

On the surface, it's a smart move. With the schedule being released on Tuesday night and the draft launching Thursday, the announcement of a Roethlisberger suspension would serve only to distract from a week of great NFL news and events.

Then again, maybe the league in its infinite P.R. wisdom (and we're not being sarcastic, for a change) has decided to slip the suspension through the five hole during a week in which we're otherwise waiting for the schedule on Tuesday and focusing on the draft, which starts Thursday. If the league announces the suspension in the middle of Tuesday afternoon, the dominant Wednesday morning news in every market but Pittsburgh will be local team's (teams') schedule. Then the draft will take over and by the following Monday we'll still be breaking down the picks and getting ready for minicamps.

If the league holds the suspension until the week after the draft, it'll take on a life of its own.

And so maybe it makes sense that, as Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports reports, the NFL will announce a suspension of Roethlisberger on Monday or Tuesday. Of this week.

Per Cole, Roethlisberger is unlikely to fight the suspension.

That said, we don't rule out an appeal if Roethlisberger gets slapped with more than four games. In that case, an appeal could persuade Commissioner Roger Goodell to reduce the penalty, creating maximum impact in connection with the initial announcement and then generating a sense that the Personal Conduct Policy currently works as written, even though Goodell issues the penalty and presides over the appeal of his own decision.

We're thinking the end result will be four games. We won't be surprised if it's eight.

Either way, it looks like we'll have the answer soon.


4 games seems excessive to me. I think it should be a combination of a hefty fine plus a two-game suspension. There are larger issues here than winning football games, but we're talking about seriously jeopardizing our ability to reach the post-season if our starting quarterback is out for four or more games.

Yes, there is a selfishness to my reasoning but I also wonder why the team and fan-base must be punished as well. Roethlisberger is not guilty of a crime but he should be made to pay for brining shame to the team and to the league. If the objective of any consequences is to provide a deterrent for Roethlisberger or others to violate such conduct, I think forfeiture of large chunks of their salary would work pretty well.

birtikidis
04-18-2010, 11:39 PM
Peter King is saying between 4-8 games per his twitter

SanAntonioSteelerFan
04-18-2010, 11:41 PM
Report: Suspension of Ben Roethlisberger coming by Tuesday
Posted by Mike Florio on April 18, 2010 10:44 PM ET
On Thursday, Steelers president Art Rooney said that the team would be working with the league regarding the imposition of discipline on quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, and that no suspension would be imminent. "I don't expect we will be announcing any final decisions until the week after the draft, at the earliest," Rooney said.

On the surface, it's a smart move. With the schedule being released on Tuesday night and the draft launching Thursday, the announcement of a Roethlisberger suspension would serve only to distract from a week of great NFL news and events.

Then again, maybe the league in its infinite P.R. wisdom (and we're not being sarcastic, for a change) has decided to slip the suspension through the five hole during a week in which we're otherwise waiting for the schedule on Tuesday and focusing on the draft, which starts Thursday. If the league announces the suspension in the middle of Tuesday afternoon, the dominant Wednesday morning news in every market but Pittsburgh will be local team's (teams') schedule. Then the draft will take over and by the following Monday we'll still be breaking down the picks and getting ready for minicamps.

If the league holds the suspension until the week after the draft, it'll take on a life of its own.

And so maybe it makes sense that, as Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports reports, the NFL will announce a suspension of Roethlisberger on Monday or Tuesday. Of this week.

Per Cole, Roethlisberger is unlikely to fight the suspension.

That said, we don't rule out an appeal if Roethlisberger gets slapped with more than four games. In that case, an appeal could persuade Commissioner Roger Goodell to reduce the penalty, creating maximum impact in connection with the initial announcement and then generating a sense that the Personal Conduct Policy currently works as written, even though Goodell issues the penalty and presides over the appeal of his own decision.

We're thinking the end result will be four games. We won't be surprised if it's eight.

Either way, it looks like we'll have the answer soon.


4 games seems excessive to me. I think it should be a combination of a hefty fine plus a two-game suspension. There are larger issues here than winning football games, but we're talking about seriously jeopardizing our ability to reach the post-season if our starting quarterback is out for four or more games.

Yes, there is a selfishness to my reasoning but I also wonder why the team and fan-base must be punished as well. Roethlisberger is not guilty of a crime but he should be made to pay for brining shame to the team and to the league. If the objective of any consequences is to provide a deterrent for Roethlisberger or others to violate such conduct, I think forfeiture of large chunks of their salary would work pretty well.

Good points, FLASTEEL. I wonder though if salary can be docked, per the collective bargaining agreement? And, he's so friggin' rich, I think it would be harder to hurt him by witholding salary than it would be by making him stand like Dump Truck in grey sweats as he watches his team struggle without him.

As far as punishing Steeler Nation by keeping him out for more than 2 games ... reading what's been published about how people in the 'burgh feel (links found in various threads around here), I wonder if a fair amount of citizens would rather give up a season and feel "clean", than win without a fair settling of the score, as they see it.

I actually think the bigger question is - how likely is it that we're going to go through this whole thing again? Because if he does wind up on the police blotter, or even the allegation page again, I think he's going to be gone for a long time, if not longer. And most of us would, in retrospect, wish he had been traded.

It's not clear cut to me whether he should be kept, from that point of view - whatever the Rooney's think is best I will support 100% - they've got a lot more info and insight into this than any of us do (except maybe Ruth, I believe he is actually some sort of NFL big wig who just enjoys posting here, and has a "cover" identity as a college professor ... :wink: ).

Steel Life
04-19-2010, 12:27 AM
All I'll say is that if it's more than 4, then it's unreasonable. If it's 8...it'd be outrageous & I'd expect the union to really throw a MAJOR fit.

brothervad
04-19-2010, 01:02 AM
A couple things...

According to Peter King from CNNSI...one of the reasons the league wants to have the deicision surrounding Ben's suspension and not the Rooney's (not the primary or only one mind you just one of the reasons) is that they can give a suspension of greater than 4 games based on the negotiated Player Conduct Policy.

It appears from King's article that Ben is running scared right now.

The other thing he mentions and the one that all of us wish for but realize it won't happen...
This thing is not going to go away...not now, not during the draft, not on primetime sweeps week (Law and Order SVU anyone?)...

There will be signs and boos everywhere he goes including his home stadium.

No I am afraid this is not going to go away and imagine the circus the media will have when Ben comes back from his suspension.

Brothervad

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Thoughts on The New Draft, the inexact science of mock drafting, why I miss Paul Zimmerman so much at this time of year, the tackle who's all over draft boards ... but first, the only story of the week:

The Ben Roethlisberger saga, and what the Rooney family plans to do about it.

I spoke to Art Rooney II, the Steelers president and franchise caretaker since owner Dan Rooney is at work as Ambassador to Ireland, and wanted to get one thing straight: "My read of what you said in your news conference, and to the New York Times, is that you're moving forward with Ben as a Steeler.''

"That's a fair reading, yup,'' Rooney said.

So unless Roethlisberger screws up again -- unlikely because of how scared he is right now, I'm told -- he'll be the quarterback of the Steelers this year. That is after he's suspended by commissioner Roger Goodell for some period, which I now think has to be at least four games at the start of the season, for violating the league's personal conduct policy.

I feel confident this is going to be league discipline, not Steeler-imposed discipline, even though Rooney made it clear he'd rather the team punish Roethlisberger. The league handles hot-button discipline issues like this from 280 Park Avenue consistently, and I just don't think Goodell wants to cede authority to the team on such a hot-button issue. This also allows the league to rap Roethlisberger longer; the max sanction a team can mete out is four games. The league has no such limit.

On Sunday night, Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports reported Goodell is expected to suspend Roethlisberger either Monday or Tuesday. I'd been told last week that the league would still be gathering information on the incident for several more days, but then the 572-page police investigation was released, a damning lot of evidence against Roethlisberger. Whether he's suspended this week or after the draft, there's little doubt Goodell will act swiftly on a Roethlisberger sanction once he feels he has all the pertinent information.

So Roethlisberger stays a Steeler. And the league, not the team, is likely to handle the punishment. Those are the two headlines here, but there's so much more. First, I'm not sure the Steelers giving Roethlisberger another chance is going to mollify Steeler fans. I think the anger of the fans is not going to be soothed very soon, and rightfully so. If a quarter of the accusations from that night in Georgia are true, he deserves the wrath he'll feel. There could be picketing in bucolic Latrobe this summer, at training camp. He'll get booed in his own stadium. He'll have to have cotton in his ears in every road stadium. He'll be a huge distraction to his own team. The Steelers are counting on time healing the wounds of the Steeler public. I'm not sure they're right about that. We'll see.

I know Steeler fans well. I married a Pittsburgh girl. The tenor of the fans I've spoken with goes something like this: I'll always love the Steelers, but I'll never cheer for that bum Roethlisberger again.

"I understand what's out there,'' Rooney said. "It's a difficult situation. I know our fans feel strongly about it. I'm hearing from them in large measure. I've gotten e-mails, been on some message boards and on Facebook. I've read the anger, and I understand it. Ben is embarrassed by it.''

But I'm also left thinking Roethlisberger's image might have been less sullied had he been charged with a crime. We've heard a fairly one-sided portrayal of events of the evening. An underage college girl and some friends are plied with alcohol, and Roethlisberger disappears with a totally intoxicated one, and the totally intoxicated one, who hit her head at one point, told police she remembers saying no to Roethlisberger's advances twice.

I'm not sure how reliable those statements should be, but it's likely the Roethlisberger side will try to let the story die and not refute anything. I believe the night probably happened close to the way the victim and her friends say it did, and that Roethlisberger is a lout. But in this job, I'm always uncomfortable hearing one side of a story, and the damning statements of the victim and her friends will likely be all we hear on this one. Maybe ever.

As for Roethlisberger, he's lucky the Steelers have a different morality standard for their star quarterback than for their Super Bowl MVP receiver. They could have traded Roethlisberger to Oakland, and if you think I'm kidding, you don't know Al Davis. But as angry as they obviously are with him, they're going to back him, assuming he turns his life around.

We could argue all day about the relative fairness of dumping a guy, Santonio Holmes, who is one strike from being banned for a year and entering the last year of a contract the Steelers probably were not going to extend, and keeping the marquee quarterback with two Super Bowl rings and a problem with how he treats women. The fact is, the quarterback's far more important to the team than the receiver, and he's going to get a little more rope. But there's no doubt he's reached the end of it with the Rooney family.

"When I met with Ben, he said he's going to be changing his life,'' Rooney said. Then he paused for two or three seconds.

"Words are the easy part,'' he said. "We have to make sure Ben puts himself on a path to do better. It's a tall order, but it's something he has to do.''

He has no choice if he wants to stay a Steeler. And if he wants to stay a free man.

One last point: However it happened, and finger-pointing aside, at least two women have come forward in the last nine months and accused Roethlisberger of taking advantage of them -- in graphic, sordid detail. That's why Goodell's punishment can't just be four, six or eight games. It has to include some mandatory counseling. If Roethlisberger's serious about changing his life, there's some evidence there that he needs to change how he treats women, and that should include figuring out why he keeps ending up in this spot.



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SanAntonioSteelerFan
04-19-2010, 01:50 AM
A couple things...

According to Peter King from CNNSI...one of the reasons the league wants to have the deicision surrounding Ben's suspension and not the Rooney's (not the primary or only one mind you just one of the reasons) is that they can give a suspension of greater than 4 games based on the negotiated Player Conduct Policy.

It appears from King's article that Ben is running scared right now.

The other thing he mentions and the one that all of us wish for but realize it won't happen...
This thing is not going to go away...not now, not during the draft, not on primetime sweeps week (Law and Order SVU anyone?)...

There will be signs and boos everywhere he goes including his home stadium.

No I am afraid this is not going to go away and imagine the circus the media will have when Ben comes back from his suspension.

Brothervad

Article follows:...

So unless Roethlisberger screws up again -- unlikely because of how scared he is right now, I'm told -- he'll be the quarterback of the Steelers this year. That is after he's suspended by commissioner Roger Goodell for some period, which I now think has to be at least four games at the start of the season, for violating the league's personal conduct policy. ...

I liked reading that bit in green very much. It gives me a sliver of hope that maybe Ben will not keep doing this sh*t over and over again. Not much hope, but at least some.

Chadman
04-19-2010, 02:19 AM
What if Goodell makes an example of Ben?


What if we are hoping for 2 weeks, expecting 4 weeks, fearing 8 weeks...but we are all off?

What if Ben gets the year?

Heres the thing- if Ben gets 8 weeks, you may as well give him the year- he'll be that far behind as it is. Besides, whoever plays QB in his absense will be hard done-by if Ben just walks back in after a lengthy suspension.

And the season will be over anyway if the Steelers can't win without Ben.

This could be a long year.

SS Laser
04-19-2010, 02:27 AM
This could be a long year

Think how bad it will be for Ben! :HeadBanger DUMBAZZZZ BEN!

On a side note, I plan and hope to make it to my first training camp. Want to see how that ends up this year first hand.

Mister Pittsburgh
04-19-2010, 07:49 AM
Any more than a two game suspension & the league my as well say he is guilty.

RuthlessBurgher
04-19-2010, 09:31 AM
It's not clear cut to me whether he should be kept, from that point of view - whatever the Rooney's think is best I will support 100% - they've got a lot more info and insight into this than any of us do (except maybe Ruth, I believe he is actually some sort of NFL big wig who just enjoys posting here, and has a "cover" identity as a college professor ... :wink: ).

Me? An NFL big wig? Not anymore, my friend. I'm actually Paul Tagliabue. I just enjoy coming on here because you folks hate Goodell so much that it makes me feel better about myself. :mrgreen:

phillyesq
04-19-2010, 10:12 AM
I'm starting to wish that PFT would get suspended for 4 to 8 weeks.

I've generally tolerated Florio's d-baggery because his site is actually a decent source of news/rumors, but his "reporting" of the Ben situation has been nearly intolerable.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
04-19-2010, 10:17 AM
If it is "ONLY" 4 games...Ben should take the day off and spend it on his knees thanking God. 8 games would not surprise me.

In all honesty, if Ben Rosthlisberger is going to remain a Steeler...He should consider this. After the suspension is handed down...Call a press conference. Make your apoligies again to the Steelers organization, your teammates, & the league. Go further...Apoligize to the Steeler fans and "All" people involved that you hurt with your actions. Now, you want to rebuild your character? You want to help the Steelers recover? You truely want to show the people you have remorse? You tell everyone you will not be participating in the remaining games of the 2010 season after you serve your suspension.

Ben needs to admit to having poor judgement. Ben needs to admit to having a problem with alcoholism (Which I think is the source). Tell everyone you are submitting to counceling for alcoholism. Tell everyone you are submitting to counceling for you aggressive behavior. The first step to maturity is admitting to your problems. The 2nd step is getting help. People will give that "2nd" chance in life for someone who "sacrifices" his career for a year to get back on track. The Steelers organization and Ben Roethlisberger will heal much faster this way. I have always said Ben is my favorite Steeler. However, when the name on the back becomes bigger than the color of the uniform or the shield on the front...I no longer root for the person as an individual. For me to give support back to Ben as an individual...I would stand behind him the second he makes these announcements. I would sacrifice a year of Steelers Football just to get back the Ben that the fans, my family, and myself loved. I think that is Ben's best chance to rebuilding his good name. Even more important, saving Ben's life. Say what you want about "no charges", "drunk college girls", "gold diggers", "he's a target"....There is evidence to a destructive path of behavior. This is beyond just having a franchise QB on the field. You arguments might have some merit if we could just see or hear about just 1 player out of the 1,695 remianing NFL players going through the same situation. Just my opinion.

SS Laser
04-19-2010, 11:57 AM
Steelers | Roethlisberger will accept discipline if not too harsh
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Mark Maske, of The Washington Post, reports Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger will accept disciplinary action by the NFL or the Pittsburgh Steelers without fighting the penalty if he and his advisers do not consider the discipline "too harsh," a source familiar with the situation said Monday, April 19.



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NW Steeler
04-19-2010, 12:06 PM
To think that Ben should be suspended for an entire season is completely ridiculous. Dante Stallworth was only suspended for a year and he KILLED another person with his car. WTF? Seriously people?

proudpittsburgher
04-19-2010, 12:20 PM
If I had to wager a guess, I say it's one of two things . . . either Ben gets 6 games and nothing else, its over from that point on, or he gets four games, plus counseling and a monetary fine of some sorts. If I were a betting man, I say six games.

JTP53609
04-19-2010, 12:54 PM
this is the most uninspired offseason I can remember, I really am not counting down the days to training camp like I usually do, I am not too pumped up about the draft and the main reason is because of our qb big ben, this year will be a lost year because of him, we will struggle on offense and we have not really done much to improve our aging defense other than resign our starters....if ben is suspended 4 games our season is over in my opinion, let alone 8 games, if he is 8 games we might be a top 7 pick next year....

SteelAbility
04-19-2010, 01:19 PM
this is the most uninspired offseason I can remember, I really am not counting down the days to training camp like I usually do, I am not too pumped up about the draft and the main reason is because of our qb big ben, this year will be a lost year because of him, we will struggle on offense and we have not really done much to improve our aging defense other than resign our starters....if ben is suspended 4 games our season is over in my opinion, let alone 8 games, if he is 8 games we might be a top 7 pick next year....

That's a nice way to put it. More like nightmarish. :cry:

proudpittsburgher
04-20-2010, 06:26 AM
this is the most uninspired offseason I can remember, I really am not counting down the days to training camp like I usually do, I am not too pumped up about the draft and the main reason is because of our qb big ben, this year will be a lost year because of him, we will struggle on offense and we have not really done much to improve our aging defense other than resign our starters....if ben is suspended 4 games our season is over in my opinion, let alone 8 games, if he is 8 games we might be a top 7 pick next year....

That's a nice way to put it. More like nightmarish. :cry:

Honestly, if this isn't reason to go ahead and trade for Byron Leftwich right now, I don't know what is. I understand why we didn't pull the trigger before, why give up a draft pick when Tampa is just going to cut him anyway . . . but this is a position of need right now, and if we have a guy like Lefty on the roster, maybe Ben's suspension won't cost us the playoffs. I just can;t see Batch or Dixon leading us to a .500 record or better while Ben is gone,a nd that is with the knowlege of what Dixon did against Baltimore last season.

SteelAbility
04-20-2010, 10:12 AM
this is the most uninspired offseason I can remember, I really am not counting down the days to training camp like I usually do, I am not too pumped up about the draft and the main reason is because of our qb big ben, this year will be a lost year because of him, we will struggle on offense and we have not really done much to improve our aging defense other than resign our starters....if ben is suspended 4 games our season is over in my opinion, let alone 8 games, if he is 8 games we might be a top 7 pick next year....

That's a nice way to put it. More like nightmarish. :cry:

Honestly, if this isn't reason to go ahead and trade for Byron Leftwich right now, I don't know what is. I understand why we didn't pull the trigger before, why give up a draft pick when Tampa is just going to cut him anyway . . . but this is a position of need right now, and if we have a guy like Lefty on the roster, maybe Ben's suspension won't cost us the playoffs. I just can;t see Batch or Dixon leading us to a .500 record or better while Ben is gone,a nd that is with the knowlege of what Dixon did against Baltimore last season.

I do think Dixon can lead us to .500 or slightly better. In my mind, it's a matter of being willing to gamble a bit and let him do more with his legs.

I totally agree about Leftwich though. However, the Ben situation almost necessarily drives up the price.

feltdizz
04-20-2010, 10:18 AM
this is the most uninspired offseason I can remember, I really am not counting down the days to training camp like I usually do, I am not too pumped up about the draft and the main reason is because of our qb big ben, this year will be a lost year because of him, we will struggle on offense and we have not really done much to improve our aging defense other than resign our starters....if ben is suspended 4 games our season is over in my opinion, let alone 8 games, if he is 8 games we might be a top 7 pick next year....

That's a nice way to put it. More like nightmarish. :cry:

Honestly, if this isn't reason to go ahead and trade for Byron Leftwich right now, I don't know what is. I understand why we didn't pull the trigger before, why give up a draft pick when Tampa is just going to cut him anyway . . . but this is a position of need right now, and if we have a guy like Lefty on the roster, maybe Ben's suspension won't cost us the playoffs. I just can;t see Batch or Dixon leading us to a .500 record or better while Ben is gone,a nd that is with the knowlege of what Dixon did against Baltimore last season.

Lefty is terrible as a Starter. He looked good in limited action but the guy was pathetic last year in Tampa. I know Tampa has problems but Lefty was missing wide open WR's by a mile with no pressure.

Batch for a qtr or 2 before he is injured then Dixon for the next 4 games....

RuthlessBurgher
04-20-2010, 01:15 PM
Former Pittsburgh Central Catholic QB Marc Bulger (a two time Pro Bowler in St. Louis) is currently available and would also be an option, should they decide to go that route.

proudpittsburgher
04-21-2010, 06:50 AM
this is the most uninspired offseason I can remember, I really am not counting down the days to training camp like I usually do, I am not too pumped up about the draft and the main reason is because of our qb big ben, this year will be a lost year because of him, we will struggle on offense and we have not really done much to improve our aging defense other than resign our starters....if ben is suspended 4 games our season is over in my opinion, let alone 8 games, if he is 8 games we might be a top 7 pick next year....

That's a nice way to put it. More like nightmarish. :cry:

Honestly, if this isn't reason to go ahead and trade for Byron Leftwich right now, I don't know what is. I understand why we didn't pull the trigger before, why give up a draft pick when Tampa is just going to cut him anyway . . . but this is a position of need right now, and if we have a guy like Lefty on the roster, maybe Ben's suspension won't cost us the playoffs. I just can;t see Batch or Dixon leading us to a .500 record or better while Ben is gone,a nd that is with the knowlege of what Dixon did against Baltimore last season.


Alright, baby, looks like the Rooneys listen to me. :) OK, let's try this, "I could really use some season ticket and a private jet to get me to the games." :) Honestly, I don't think you can take anything out of Lefty's performance in Tampa last season. It was a trainwreck from the start. From rookies coming in saying they are going to be the starter, to a really bad recieving corps to just being on a bad team, Lefty was behind the eightball and doomed to fail. He has good recievers in pgh, a good coaching staff, and isn't being asked to take over the team, just to keep the seat warm for the lunkhead. I think this is a tremendous signing and I am glad the Rooneys pulled the trigger. That being said . . . I wonder what the Rooneys know about the Ben suspension to go ahead and give up a draft pick fo rhim, instead o fjust waiting for him to get released.

Chadman
04-21-2010, 09:45 AM
Adam_Schefter RT @bdischy: Coincedence that PIT has 5 National TV games but 0 of their first 6 games? ... I think not. Schedule maker knows something. about 8 hours ago


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