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Lebsteel
04-17-2010, 09:57 AM
Sadly, I agree with this article by Wojciechowski at ESPN. Friends, he is simply stating the truth that should be obvious to any objective individual. I hate it, it really ticks me off, but unfortunately it is the truth:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=5098307&sportCat=nfl

If not for an ethical district attorney, an angry but fatherly owner, and a depth chart that's chin strap-thin at quarterback, Ben Roethlisberger might not be a Pittsburgh Steeler today.

As it is, Roethlisberger isn't going to be in the Steelers' starting lineup anytime soon. I'd be stunned -- and disappointed -- if NFL commissioner Roger Goodell doesn't bring the wood and suspend Boozin' Ben for at least three games and preferably four: two games for embarrassing his team and the league, another two for being dumber than a blocking sled.

Forget, if you can, that Roethlisberger has left a trail of police reports from Lake Tahoe to Milledgeville, Ga. Or that women seem to accuse him of sexual assault a lot. Or that he's lucky to be alive after a 2006 motorcycle accident. (Go figure: A guy who wears a helmet for a living didn't wear one on a motorcycle.)

"We have made it very clear to Ben that there will be consequence for his actions, and Ben has indicated to us he is willing to accept those consequences," Art Rooney II said Thursday. What amazes you most is that Roethlisberger never seems to learn. He treats life with the same indifference he treats oncoming rushers. He just stands there, takes the hits, staggers up and does the same thing again and again.

Meanwhile, Donovan McNabb -- model citizen, model teammate, model representative of the league and the Philadelphia Eagles -- gets shipped to the Washington Redskins in a cardboard box. All he did was win games, conduct himself with dignity and never appear in a police mug shot.

The wrong Pennsylvania quarterback got traded. Roethlisberger ought to be in another uniform today, not McNabb. I'd say the Oakland Raiders and Roethlisberger deserve each other, but I'm not sure even Al Davis deserves what Ben has become. Anyway, hasn't Davis already suffered enough with the galactically apathetic JaMarcus Russell?

In Thursday afternoon's news conference, Steelers president Art Rooney II said "at this point" the team had not discussed a Roethlisberger trade with another franchise. At this point. Intriguing, isn't it?

The Steelers, the fifth-oldest franchise in the NFL, are the ultimate mom-and-pop shop, a family-owned business that has roots as deep as the Monongahela River. The team is so serious about its history that Art Rooney's original office (the old man bought the team in 1933) is preserved in the Steelers' headquarters.

So when Rooney II says the franchise's good name has "taken a hit," he's talking about the legacy of the Rooneys. Maybe that's why he did little to hide his displeasure with a series of off-the-field incidents involving Roethlisberger, kicker Jeff Reed and now-former Steelers wide receiver Santonio Holmes.

Holmes was traded to the New York Jets for a fifth-round draft pick and some mouth guards. A little more than a year ago, Holmes was a Super Bowl MVP. Donovan McNabb did nothing wrong, but got traded. Maybe he would have been a better fit in Pittsburgh.
If you attached Rooney II or owner Dan Rooney (who serves as U.S. ambassador to Ireland) to a lie detector, you wonder if you'd find they had kicked the tires on a McNabb trade. It's not like the Redskins gave up a lot for McNabb: a second-rounder in next week's draft and a fourth-rounder in 2011. McNabb is everything that Roethlisberger isn't, beginning with responsible.

I know, Roethlisberger is 28, McNabb is 33. Roethlisberger has two Super Bowl rings, McNabb has zero. But Roethlisberger also has issues that lean toward self-destruction. Why else would he keep putting himself and his career in such compromising situations?

Roethlisberger wasn't charged with a crime in the Georgia case, but he is guilty of stupidity. And who knows how the Tahoe case is going to play out.

Reading between the lines of Rooney's comments Thursday, it sounds as if Roethlisberger is going to remain a Steeler. I'm not sure the team has much of a choice. Charlie Batch is 35 years old and a dependable backup -- but that's all he is, a backup. The Steelers like the potential of Dennis Dixon, but Dixon has a grand total of 13 completions in two years. A trade to somehow move up to the No. 1 pick and take Oklahoma QB Sam Bradford is a possibility, I suppose.

And all because Roethlisberger keeps failing the only multiple-choice test that matters.

If I think there's a possibility I'm about to do something really dumb, do I ...
A. Walk away.
B. Order another round.

Roethlisberger is running out of B answers and chances. If he's lucky, he'll still be a Steeler at the end of next week and only get suspended for four games by Goodell. And if that happens, he needs to call someone for advice on how to be a pro's pro.

McNabb.

Sugar
04-17-2010, 10:17 AM
Wow, there is so much wrong with this that I don't know where to start. Perhaps reading the other 20 topics might cover it.

At the end of the day, an injustice will be done if Ben is punished in any way over this. Nuff said.

Lebsteel
04-17-2010, 10:20 AM
Wow, there is so much wrong with this that I don't know where to start. Perhaps reading the other 20 topics might cover it.

At the end of the day, an injustice will be done if Ben is punished in any way over this. Nuff said.
Nuff said. Yep, you are probably right. Enjoy your day, Sugar.

Steel Life
04-17-2010, 10:22 AM
Another "holier-than-thou" article from someone who muddles the facts in order to make his point. He completely glosses over the point that there wasn't enough evidence to charge Ben - but he doesn't let that stop him from essentially charging him anyway (following the lead of the DA & completely ignoring the accuser's credibility). He completely ignores the fact that the Reno case is bogus, the accuser is bogus & that Ben is counter-suing - but why let that get in the way of a good rant? Then he brings up the motorcycle thing again...can the team please distribute a release to remind the press that Ben was hit by someone going the wrong way & it was a bad accident, not some flaunting act of stupidity? Anyway, the best thing about a sports writer is that you always get to be right, never have to get all the details correct & when you are wrong - you never have to apologize.

Discipline of Steel
04-17-2010, 10:28 AM
"another two for being dumber than a blocking sled."

Id say there are at least a few players ahead of Pig Ben on that count...

Shaun Rogers trying to board a plane with a loaded gun.

Stonio's inane twitterings.

Donovon McNabb didnt know an NFL regular season game could end in a tie.

Lebsteel
04-17-2010, 10:30 AM
Another "holier-than-thou" article from someone who muddles the facts in order to make his point. He completely glosses over the point that there wasn't enough evidence to charge Ben - but he doesn't let that stop him from essentially charging him anyway (following the lead of the DA & completely ignoring the accuser's credibility). He completely ignores the fact that the Reno case is bogus, the accuser is bogus & that Ben is counter-suing - but why let that get in the way of a good rant? Then he brings up the motorcycle thing again...can the team please distribute a release to remind the press that Ben was hit by someone going the wrong way & it was a bad accident, not some flaunting act of stupidity? Anyway, the best thing about a sports writer is that you always get to be right, never have to get all the details correct & when you are wrong - you never have to apologize.
Ben counter-suing the four sorority sisters would be a great start in restoring his credibility. I really hope it happens and he wins. I'm not so sure it would happen. Unless you have your blinders on, there is certainly a lot of "circumstantial" evidence pointing to Ben at least behaving in a manner not appropriate for the face of our franchise. Let's hope he can turn it around, quickly!

ghettoscott
04-17-2010, 10:39 AM
Another "holier-than-thou" article from someone who muddles the facts in order to make his point. He completely glosses over the point that there wasn't enough evidence to charge Ben - but he doesn't let that stop him from essentially charging him anyway (following the lead of the DA & completely ignoring the accuser's credibility). He completely ignores the fact that the Reno case is bogus, the accuser is bogus & that Ben is counter-suing - but why let that get in the way of a good rant? Then he brings up the motorcycle thing again...can the team please distribute a release to remind the press that Ben was hit by someone going the wrong way & it was a bad accident, not some flaunting act of stupidity? Anyway, the best thing about a sports writer is that you always get to be right, never have to get all the details correct & when you are wrong - you never have to apologize.


:Clap

Spot on mate.

Flasteel
04-17-2010, 10:58 AM
That is nothing more than inflammatory hyperbole. Sure the author is entitled to his opinion, but he is exaggerating the known facts and acts as if the only rationale for a trade is the reading on the moral barometer. I believe Roethlisberger is an embarrassment who needs to get his act together. He should be heavily fined and suspended for two games in my opinion...but he also deserves a chance to turn around his image.

If anyone believes that what Roethlisberger has done is so over-the-top that he is beyond redemption and should be traded - then that's their prerogative. I'd say a person like that is being a little judgmental without full knowledge of the facts, but that just me.

We should all be on high alert for any future behavior remotely connected to drunken sexual conquests or really anything indicative that he is indeed a social retard. Until that evidence is presented, I'm going to root for what's in the best interests of the Pittsburgh Steelers, as I always have. I will do it with an open mind in regards to number 7. I'll still cheer him when he's great and curse him when he throws a pick or takes a sack.

Good luck to all of you guys who hate him and want him gone. You face an interesting emotional dilemma once the games start :D (well...the one's he'll be playing in :P :lol: ).

SanAntonioSteelerFan
04-17-2010, 11:06 AM
Another "holier-than-thou" article from someone who muddles the facts in order to make his point. He completely glosses over the point that there wasn't enough evidence to charge Ben - but he doesn't let that stop him from essentially charging him anyway (following the lead of the DA & completely ignoring the accuser's credibility). He completely ignores the fact that the Reno case is bogus, the accuser is bogus & that Ben is counter-suing - but why let that get in the way of a good rant? Then he brings up the motorcycle thing again...can the team please distribute a release to remind the press that Ben was hit by someone going the wrong way & it was a bad accident, not some flaunting act of stupidity? Anyway, the best thing about a sports writer is that you always get to be right, never have to get all the details correct & when you are wrong - you never have to apologize.


:Clap

Spot on mate.

+1 :Agree

These media people are just whores who write so their parent company can sell advertising. They have NO limitations on what they can write, as long as it isn't libelous. The more contentious and provocative the better, from the point of view of the people who write their checks. Look, the original poster mentioned it was ESPN - I'm sure that generated some extra "hits" on the website - yippee, the "sports journalist" gets a raise!!

This is no better than those political commentators on (pick your network) TV who rant and rave, saying what they want, twisting facts.

I think there should be some sort of legal standard for insinuation of things that aren't true. Right now I think these vermin can hide behind the fact that "nothing I said was non-factual".

Scum.

stlrz d
04-17-2010, 11:23 AM
Another "holier-than-thou" article from someone who muddles the facts in order to make his point. He completely glosses over the point that there wasn't enough evidence to charge Ben - but he doesn't let that stop him from essentially charging him anyway (following the lead of the DA & completely ignoring the accuser's credibility). He completely ignores the fact that the Reno case is bogus, the accuser is bogus & that Ben is counter-suing - but why let that get in the way of a good rant? Then he brings up the motorcycle thing again...can the team please distribute a release to remind the press that Ben was hit by someone going the wrong way & it was a bad accident, not some flaunting act of stupidity? Anyway, the best thing about a sports writer is that you always get to be right, never have to get all the details correct & when you are wrong - you never have to apologize.

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My turn to editorialize. Anyone (fan, sportswriter or talking head) who thinks Ben should be traded based on claims that are completely unsubstantiated is a pea-brained pinhead.



Good luck to all of you guys who hate him and want him gone. You face an interesting emotional dilemma once the games start :D (well...the one's he'll be playing in :P :lol: ).

I can't wait! :lol:

Lebsteel
04-17-2010, 11:50 AM
[quote="Steel Life":z5vis4p3]Another "holier-than-thou" article from someone who muddles the facts in order to make his point. He completely glosses over the point that there wasn't enough evidence to charge Ben - but he doesn't let that stop him from essentially charging him anyway (following the lead of the DA & completely ignoring the accuser's credibility). He completely ignores the fact that the Reno case is bogus, the accuser is bogus & that Ben is counter-suing - but why let that get in the way of a good rant? Then he brings up the motorcycle thing again...can the team please distribute a release to remind the press that Ben was hit by someone going the wrong way & it was a bad accident, not some flaunting act of stupidity? Anyway, the best thing about a sports writer is that you always get to be right, never have to get all the details correct & when you are wrong - you never have to apologize.

http://images.tmuscle.com/forum_images/8/8/883a7-clap.gif

http://static.open.salon.com/files/applause1234363884.gif

My turn to editorialize. Anyone (fan, sportswriter or talking head) who thinks Ben should be traded based on claims that are completely unsubstantiated is a pea-brained pinhead.



Good luck to all of you guys who hate him and want him gone. You face an interesting emotional dilemma once the games start :D (well...the one's he'll be playing in :P :lol: ).

I can't wait! :lol:[/quote:z5vis4p3]
You guys amaze me. Take your head out of the sand, your blinders off or whatever. I don't think anyone on this board has said they hate Ben. Most are disgusted with his behavior that night, not criminal behavior, but his judgement in putting himself in a situation like that. If you have read my posts, I have been a huge Ben fan and am simply disgusted with his off the field behavior. All you who can't admit that Ben has done ANYTHING wrong are probably as bad as the media who have gone the other way and made false accusations. I have always prided myself in being a Steeler fan. I will continue to cheer for the Steelers regardless of who the QB is.

stlrz d
04-17-2010, 11:59 AM
[quote="Steel Life":258qb1tu]Another "holier-than-thou" article from someone who muddles the facts in order to make his point. He completely glosses over the point that there wasn't enough evidence to charge Ben - but he doesn't let that stop him from essentially charging him anyway (following the lead of the DA & completely ignoring the accuser's credibility). He completely ignores the fact that the Reno case is bogus, the accuser is bogus & that Ben is counter-suing - but why let that get in the way of a good rant? Then he brings up the motorcycle thing again...can the team please distribute a release to remind the press that Ben was hit by someone going the wrong way & it was a bad accident, not some flaunting act of stupidity? Anyway, the best thing about a sports writer is that you always get to be right, never have to get all the details correct & when you are wrong - you never have to apologize.

http://images.tmuscle.com/forum_images/8/8/883a7-clap.gif

http://static.open.salon.com/files/applause1234363884.gif

My turn to editorialize. Anyone (fan, sportswriter or talking head) who thinks Ben should be traded based on claims that are completely unsubstantiated is a pea-brained pinhead.



Good luck to all of you guys who hate him and want him gone. You face an interesting emotional dilemma once the games start :D (well...the one's he'll be playing in :P :lol: ).

I can't wait! :lol:
You guys amaze me. Take your head out of the sand, your blinders off or whatever. I don't think anyone on this board has said they hate Ben. Most are disgusted with his behavior that night, not criminal behavior, but his judgement in putting himself in a situation like that. If you have read my posts, I have been a huge Ben fan and am simply disgusted with his off the field behavior. All you who can't admit that Ben has done ANYTHING wrong are probably as bad as the media who have gone the other way and made false accusations. I have always prided myself in being a Steeler fan. I will continue to cheer for the Steelers regardless of who the QB is.[/quote:258qb1tu]

When you can tell me you were there and that you know exactly what he did then I'll gladly join you on your side of the fence. ;)

Innocent until proven guilty. Look into it. :)

AngryAsian
04-17-2010, 01:20 PM
When you can tell me you were there and that you know exactly what he did then I'll gladly join you on your side of the fence. ;)

Innocent until proven guilty. Look into it. :)


I don't think you needed to be there, D, to know he put himself in a bad situation. I think that's the contention of most of us who are "disgusted" with this whole thing. Its not the legal matter we're speaking of, its the situational circumstance that Ben put himself in... because no matter how anybody spins it... it was just DUMB!!!

BURGH86STEEL
04-17-2010, 01:41 PM
I don't think the wrong QB was traded. Mcnabb's time was up in Philly. Many Philly fans wanted him gone. I hope Mcnabb has success with Washington. It will be interesting to see how he performs with another coach that likes to run more then Reid.

Ben's situation is different. Ben might still be traded. I believe the discussions took place. Right now would be the time to trade a player like Ben (no salary capp and I believe his salary is 11 or 12 mill this season). I believe that right now Ben has a fairly high trade value. If he uses the same poor judgement off the field again, his value will drop. Same way that I believe Holmes value dropped. The Steelers have to decide if Ben learned from this lesson. It is probably costing the owners of the team some sleepless nights. Was Ben sincere in the meeting with Goodell and the organization?

feltdizz
04-17-2010, 01:56 PM
LebSteel you have to realize there is a segment of fans on here who have the MSM gene in their DNA.

Wanting Ben to throw a few passes away or blaming him for a missed opportunity in the redzone is seen as hating Ben and wanting him traded or dead. You can blame the media, FWP, Holmes, the OL, the drunk chick, the crazy hotel chick, the bar for not checking ID's, Arians, the internets and all those stories, camera's and you can even blame yourself...

But don't you dare blame Ben. He is the beginning and end of all things Steelers and when he retires the city will be swallowed up by the 3 rivers. Bradshaw isn't even allowed to criticize Ben... what did that guy do for the Steelers anyway?

birtikidis
04-17-2010, 02:56 PM
trade? NO. Suspension, Definetly. Ben needs to figure out that he can't live the way everyone else does. He can't end up in the police blotter. and in the long run, a suspension is no big deal.

BURGH86STEEL
04-17-2010, 03:38 PM
LebSteel you have to realize there is a segment of fans on here who have the MSM gene in their DNA.

Wanting Ben to throw a few passes away or blaming him for a missed opportunity in the redzone is seen as hating Ben and wanting him traded or dead. You can blame the media, FWP, Holmes, the OL, the drunk chick, the crazy hotel chick, the bar for not checking ID's, Arians, the internets and all those stories, camera's and you can even blame yourself...

But don't you dare blame Ben. He is the beginning and end of all things Steelers and when he retires the city will be swallowed up by the 3 rivers. Bradshaw isn't even allowed to criticize Ben... what did that guy do for the Steelers anyway?

I am sure there is someone out there blaming BA. I believe he called audible for Ben to purchase a home down in Georgia. :lol: :lol:

stlrz d
04-17-2010, 05:53 PM
When you can tell me you were there and that you know exactly what he did then I'll gladly join you on your side of the fence. ;)

Innocent until proven guilty. Look into it. :)


I don't think you needed to be there, D, to know he put himself in a bad situation. I think that's the contention of most of us who are "disgusted" with this whole thing. Its not the legal matter we're speaking of, its the situational circumstance that Ben put himself in... because no matter how anybody spins it... it was just DUMB!!!

All you know for sure is that he went to a bar with friends and two bodyguards. The rest is all hearsay.

So unless a person was there and witnessed exactly what happened they are only speculating...at best.

feltdizz
04-17-2010, 06:26 PM
[quote="stlrz d":tfhaix89]

When you can tell me you were there and that you know exactly what he did then I'll gladly join you on your side of the fence. ;)

Innocent until proven guilty. Look into it. :)


I don't think you needed to be there, D, to know he put himself in a bad situation. I think that's the contention of most of us who are "disgusted" with this whole thing. Its not the legal matter we're speaking of, its the situational circumstance that Ben put himself in... because no matter how anybody spins it... it was just DUMB!!!

All you know for sure is that he went to a bar with friends and two bodyguards. The rest is all hearsay.

So unless a person was there and witnessed exactly what happened they are only speculating...at best.[/quote:tfhaix89]

just like you are speculating nothing happened and Ben is totally innocent. The press conferences, Goodell, and all the stories aren't due to a media lynching... Ben isn't the sweet innocent guy you want him to be. Not saying he is guilty but holing onto the pure and golden Ben is a losing battle.

Something happened that night and I know it pisses you off that Ben off the field isn't the guy on the field. It's OK...

it sucks.. it hurts... I know it does. But the sooner you admit Ben wasn't golden the night in question the easier it is to talk about. I'm not talking about the chick peeing either when saying golden. :wink:

please do not cuss me out or call me a names :wink:

it's just my opinion on the matter.

Lebsteel
04-17-2010, 06:53 PM
[quote="stlrz d":32vgeen4]

When you can tell me you were there and that you know exactly what he did then I'll gladly join you on your side of the fence. ;)

Innocent until proven guilty. Look into it. :)


I don't think you needed to be there, D, to know he put himself in a bad situation. I think that's the contention of most of us who are "disgusted" with this whole thing. Its not the legal matter we're speaking of, its the situational circumstance that Ben put himself in... because no matter how anybody spins it... it was just DUMB!!!

All you know for sure is that he went to a bar with friends and two bodyguards. The rest is all hearsay.

So unless a person was there and witnessed exactly what happened they are only speculating...at best.[/quote:32vgeen4]
I was only joking in the other thread about you giving yourself credit for being smart, now I'm starting to wonder....I'll choose to believe that you really are smarter than you indicate in that post. There is NO conspiracy!! Read this carefully...Ben acted in a manner that is going to cause him to be disciplined by the NFL and the Steelers! That is a fact. He may not be traded, BUT he will be disciplined for his inappropriate actions. That is being real.

papillon
04-17-2010, 07:26 PM
That is nothing more than inflammatory hyperbole. Sure the author is entitled to his opinion, but he is exaggerating the known facts and acts as if the only rationale for a trade is the reading on the moral barometer. I believe Roethlisberger is an embarrassment who needs to get his act together. He should be heavily fined and suspended for two games in my opinion...but he also deserves a chance to turn around his image.

If anyone believes that what Roethlisberger has done is so over-the-top that he is beyond redemption and should be traded - then that's their prerogative. I'd say a person like that is being a little judgmental without full knowledge of the facts, but that just me.

We should all be on high alert for any future behavior remotely connected to drunken sexual conquests or really anything indicative that he is indeed a social retard. Until that evidence is presented, I'm going to root for what's in the best interests of the Pittsburgh Steelers, as I always have. I will do it with an open mind in regards to number 7. I'll still cheer him when he's great and curse him when he throws a pick or takes a sack.

Good luck to all of you guys who hate him and want him gone. You face an interesting emotional dilemma once the games start :D (well...the one's he'll be playing in :P :lol: ).

That's the beauty of being a Steeler fan and not a Ben fan, Troy fan, smith fan, Tomlin fan, etc, etc, it doesn't matter to me who's on the field, I cheer for the Steelers. If Ben's there I'll cheer for him, if it's dixon I'll cheer for him, if it's Tyler Palko, I'll cheer for him. It's the Steelers that I'mn a fan of for almost 40 years, players come and players go and my favorites are the ones that showed up for work, caused few or no problems within the team, caused little or no problems off the field and remember their time with the Steelers as time well spent.

I doubt Ben ever falls into that category, although, I do appreciate the way he plays, Steeler games have never been so exciting or energizing and that includes the 70s Steelers. Ben makes the game extremely exciting win or lose and that makes Sundays fun during the late fall and winter. I want him as a Steeler until he retires, but not at the price fans, the city and the Rooneys are paying right now. He needs to develop some class, manners and respect.

Pappy

papillon
04-17-2010, 07:34 PM
[quote="stlrz d":s1tx4s1d][quote="Steel Life":s1tx4s1d]Another "holier-than-thou" article from someone who muddles the facts in order to make his point. He completely glosses over the point that there wasn't enough evidence to charge Ben - but he doesn't let that stop him from essentially charging him anyway (following the lead of the DA & completely ignoring the accuser's credibility). He completely ignores the fact that the Reno case is bogus, the accuser is bogus & that Ben is counter-suing - but why let that get in the way of a good rant? Then he brings up the motorcycle thing again...can the team please distribute a release to remind the press that Ben was hit by someone going the wrong way & it was a bad accident, not some flaunting act of stupidity? Anyway, the best thing about a sports writer is that you always get to be right, never have to get all the details correct & when you are wrong - you never have to apologize.

http://images.tmuscle.com/forum_images/8/8/883a7-clap.gif

http://static.open.salon.com/files/applause1234363884.gif

My turn to editorialize. Anyone (fan, sportswriter or talking head) who thinks Ben should be traded based on claims that are completely unsubstantiated is a pea-brained pinhead.



Good luck to all of you guys who hate him and want him gone. You face an interesting emotional dilemma once the games start :D (well...the one's he'll be playing in :P :lol: ).

I can't wait! :lol:
You guys amaze me. Take your head out of the sand, your blinders off or whatever. I don't think anyone on this board has said they hate Ben. Most are disgusted with his behavior that night, not criminal behavior, but his judgement in putting himself in a situation like that. If you have read my posts, I have been a huge Ben fan and am simply disgusted with his off the field behavior. All you who can't admit that Ben has done ANYTHING wrong are probably as bad as the media who have gone the other way and made false accusations. I have always prided myself in being a Steeler fan. I will continue to cheer for the Steelers regardless of who the QB is.[/quote:s1tx4s1d]

When you can tell me you were there and that you know exactly what he did then I'll gladly join you on your side of the fence. ;)

Innocent until proven guilty. Look into it. :)[/quote:s1tx4s1d]

That's the easy way out of not having to chastise your favorite player. He made mistakes that night, in Nevada and opting to ride a barely street legal Hyabusa without a helmet after being advised that it wasn't a good idea by a few people who have been around the game. If you need absolute proof that Ben did anything wrong that night, that's fine, on the same note I don't need the DA to file charges, a trial ensue and Ben be convicted before I treat his behavior with disdain.

He's behaved abhorrently and that may be a kind way of stating it. He's behaved like a caveman towards women, notice the classy ones aren't dating him any longer (Gulbis and Pergryn) they probably had enough of his frat-boy classlessness. If I recall correctly he was still linked with Pergryn prior to the Nevada incident. He's a social misfit right now and needs to gain some humility and show some respect for others, men and women alike.

Pappy

stlrz d
04-17-2010, 08:23 PM
Ben's not my favorite player. I'm a USC fan...Troy is my favorite player. He came from my favorite college, went to my favorite pro team and is one of the best defensive players in the league. And he plays the position I played in college. So yeah, he's my favorite.

So those of you who think this has anything to do with Ben being my favorite player can kindly put that idea right up your chocolate starfish.

I have not stated that Ben is completely innocent. What I have stated is that a bunch of buffoons who weren't there and have no clue what really happened are stupid enough to read the inconsistent accounts of drunken sorority sisters and take it as the absolute truth. See Leb, I'm too smart to believe all that without proof. Unlike too many here who buy into that Steeler Way myth, which is nothing more than a bunch of bull**** spouted by Steelers fans who want to somehow feel superior to other fans.

The Steeler Way is being frugal with salaries in order to keep a consistent winner on the field. The Steeler Way is not blowing cash on big name free agents. The Steeler Way is bringing in quality free agents who don't have a lot of baggage for a good price.

The rest is bull****. Straight bull****. The Steelers have had problems with players going back to the days of Johnny "Blood" McNally. And they continue through today. Just like they do with other teams.

Perhaps if people didn't buy into all this bull**** and point their fingers in the faces of fans of other teams when they have players with issues their little feelings wouldn't be hurt so much. You know how much flak I get at work about this? None. You know why? Because I'm not a big-mouthed, cocky idiot who goes around telling people how superior I am to them because I cheer for a different football team than they do. Because if I did that then I'd be getting it thrown right back at me right now...just as many of you are, which is why so many of you have your little panties in a wad up your cracks, along with a big ol' grain of sand wedged firmly in your vag's.

And perhaps if people would quit taking what they read in the ****ing* tabloids as the truth without questioning it they might be able to pull their heads out of their collective asses and actually think about what they are saying?

Nah...people are too stupid to do that. And the media knows it. Most of what's being posted here is proof of that.

*if AA can do it then I can do it too.

feltdizz
04-17-2010, 09:23 PM
You sound like a very angry person. Congratulations... no one is giving you flack over this. Maybe it's because theyare afraid you will go postal.

I can't see how any fan could be hurt over the jokes and flack they get from the latest incidents. We are fans, we aren't Ben and Santonio.

Why are you calling everyone names and telling people to effe themselves if you are this rational guru you proclaim to be? You present yourself as this level headed all knowing righteous guy but you write a page of trash talking garbage and call anyone who doesn't walk with you names.

You need to wooo sah or take a yoga class. It's obvious the front you put up has melted.

I expect a nice dose of name calling...

Lebsteel
04-17-2010, 09:51 PM
Ben's not my favorite player. I'm a USC fan...Troy is my favorite player. He came from my favorite college, went to my favorite pro team and is one of the best defensive players in the league. And he plays the position I played in college. So yeah, he's my favorite.

So those of you who think this has anything to do with Ben being my favorite player can kindly put that idea right up your chocolate starfish.

I have not stated that Ben is completely innocent. What I have stated is that a bunch of buffoons who weren't there and have no clue what really happened are stupid enough to read the inconsistent accounts of drunken sorority sisters and take it as the absolute truth. See Leb, I'm too smart to believe all that without proof. Unlike too many here who buy into that Steeler Way myth, which is nothing more than a bunch of bull**** spouted by Steelers fans who want to somehow feel superior to other fans.

The Steeler Way is being frugal with salaries in order to keep a consistent winner on the field. The Steeler Way is not blowing cash on big name free agents. The Steeler Way is bringing in quality free agents who don't have a lot of baggage for a good price.

The rest is bull****. Straight bull****. The Steelers have had problems with players going back to the days of Johnny "Blood" McNally. And they continue through today. Just like they do with other teams.

Perhaps if people didn't buy into all this bull**** and point their fingers in the faces of fans of other teams when they have players with issues their little feelings wouldn't be hurt so much. You know how much flak I get at work about this? None. You know why? Because I'm not a big-mouthed, cocky idiot who goes around telling people how superior I am to them because I cheer for a different football team than they do. Because if I did that then I'd be getting it thrown right back at me right now...just as many of you are, which is why so many of you have your little panties in a wad up your cracks, along with a big ol' grain of sand wedged firmly in your vag's.

And perhaps if people would quit taking what they read in the ****ing* tabloids as the truth without questioning it they might be able to pull their heads out of their collective asses and actually think about what they are saying?

Nah...people are too stupid to do that. And the media knows it. Most of what's being posted here is proof of that.

*if AA can do it then I can do it too.
D, you have a problem. If you want to act like that, go post over at StillerNation, Steeler Fury or somewhere where that kind of language and irrational behavior is welcome. I truly am sorry that you have to resort to this type of...well..."Ben" behavior.

AngryAsian
04-17-2010, 10:02 PM
........*if AA can do it then I can do it too.


WOW!

I used profanity as a positive emphasis for a board brother's excellent post. I would never use it to degrade a fellow member.

I'm speechless.

Steel Life
04-17-2010, 10:23 PM
Dizz you've called into question some of the morals & parenting skills & you think it's alright to jump on D for vigorously defending his view as much as you have? C'mon guys...we don't need to keep questioning each others loyalties to the team or individual players for our stances - we feel what we feel - but we need to respect what has happened & what will happen. What has happened is that our QB has put himself in some really bad situations, the LAW has not found him guilty, but his involvement is an embarrassment to the team - everything else is conjecture. So we don't have blinders on any more than you're leading a crusade...but however you feel, whatever punishment the NFL & the team doles out should be the end of it & we need to move on. Personally I'm glad Goodell is taking his time with his decision, it allows for a "cooling down" period & hopefully as more detail in Ben's favor comes to light & it doesn't remain front-page news, Goodell will show more leniency.

AngryAsian
04-17-2010, 10:34 PM
Dizz you've called into question some of the morals & parenting skills & you think it's alright to jump on D for vigorously defending his view as much as you have? C'mon guys...we don't need to keep questioning each others loyalties to the team or individual players for our stances - we feel what we feel - but we need to respect what has happened & what will happen. What has happened is that our QB has put himself in some really bad situations, the LAW has not found him guilty, but his involvement is an embarrassment to the team - everything else is conjecture. So we don't have blinders on any more than you're leading a crusade...but however you feel, whatever punishment the NFL & the team doles out should be the end of it & we need to move on. Personally I'm glad Goodell is taking his time with his decision, it allows for a "cooling down" period & hopefully as more detail in Ben's favor comes to light & it doesn't remain front-page news, Goodell will show more leniency.

This has been my assertion and I'm sure pretty much most here who have been "disappointed" with this whole fiasco. Very well put, Life. As usual, Logic in excess.

Steel Life
04-17-2010, 10:40 PM
Dizz you've called into question some of the morals & parenting skills & you think it's alright to jump on D for vigorously defending his view as much as you have? C'mon guys...we don't need to keep questioning each others loyalties to the team or individual players for our stances - we feel what we feel - but we need to respect what has happened & what will happen. What has happened is that our QB has put himself in some really bad situations, the LAW has not found him guilty, but his involvement is an embarrassment to the team - everything else is conjecture. So we don't have blinders on any more than you're leading a crusade...but however you feel, whatever punishment the NFL & the team doles out should be the end of it & we need to move on. Personally I'm glad Goodell is taking his time with his decision, it allows for a "cooling down" period & hopefully as more detail in Ben's favor comes to light & it doesn't remain front-page news, Goodell will show more leniency.

This has been my assertion and I'm sure pretty much most here who have been "disappointed" with this whole fiasco. Very well put, Life. As usual, Logic in excess.
Why thank you Asian...you're welcome to come to our point of view anytime - you're good people :lol:

SanAntonioSteelerFan
04-17-2010, 10:52 PM
Dizz you've called into question some of the morals & parenting skills & you think it's alright to jump on D for vigorously defending his view as much as you have? C'mon guys...we don't need to keep questioning each others loyalties to the team or individual players for our stances - we feel what we feel - but we need to respect what has happened & what will happen. What has happened is that our QB has put himself in some really bad situations, the LAW has not found him guilty, but his involvement is an embarrassment to the team - everything else is conjecture. So we don't have blinders on any more than you're leading a crusade...but however you feel, whatever punishment the NFL & the team doles out should be the end of it & we need to move on. Personally I'm glad Goodell is taking his time with his decision, it allows for a "cooling down" period & hopefully as more detail in Ben's favor comes to light & it doesn't remain front-page news, Goodell will show more leniency.

This has been my assertion and I'm sure pretty much most here who have been "disappointed" with this whole fiasco. Very well put, Life. As usual, Logic in excess.

+1, :Agree AA, I was going to highlight the exact same thing you did (in white)! I was also going to highlight the thing in green, I was trying to figure how to highlight two things without diluting attention from either. So, thanks!