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Oviedo
04-16-2010, 07:59 AM
Posted this in another thread but I feel it needs to stand on its own.

The media is only releasing details of one side here which is extremely unprofessional on their part but it is what is giving the story legs. Has any news sources quoted anyone in Ben's group or any of their statements? No because it isn't titalating enough.

Keep in mind that when you read this you are being quoted the statements of "sorority sisters." Living 1.5 miles from a major university and with a daughter of my own going to that university I promise you sorority sisters will lie, cheat and steal to protect each other in a heartbeat. I can tell you of "sisters" hiding evidence of drug and alcohol use from campus police. I can tell you stories of how the girls get stories straight against boys if something goes wrong on a date. If you don't think that they all got together to get their stories straight (primarily because they were all underage drinking) then you are naive. If you don't think they exaggerated elements of their stories to protect or support their "sister" you are naive.

Did something unsavory go on that night. Probably. Did Ben put himself in a terrible position? Absolutely. But don't think for a second that this wasn't two consenting adults making terrible decisions and there is plenty of fault on both sides.

You are just hearing one side because it implicates a stupid, immature star athlete but don't think for a second that little "Miss Georgia" doesn't have her fingerprints all over this incident.

steelblood
04-16-2010, 08:09 AM
I agree that there is a media bias. The media loves a juicy story. The media also tends to side with the victim (at least first).

But, Ben has brought this on himself. He obviously made some horrendous decisions that night (especially considering the allegations that were already leveled toward him).

Furthermore, what do you want the media to report to balance things out? Ben and his attorneys have offered no other story. The media can't be expected to give Ben's side of the story, when he looks guilty and offers no story (other than the sexual contact followed by falling and head injury - even though the doctor found no head injury).

MeetJoeGreene
04-16-2010, 08:14 AM
Yup.

They are sensationalizing this to the nth degree.

And I agree about the sorority girls sentiment.

Plus - they were probably all trashed too, so their memory would be fuzzy as well.

JAR
04-16-2010, 08:19 AM
The entire media have turned into one big tabloid, dead set on ruining lives.

Ghost
04-16-2010, 09:32 AM
But the NFL and the Rooney's are not making decisions based on one-sided media reports. They have their own investigators (ex FBI) that they use to investigate these types of incidents.

Goodell is not talking about a possible suspension because he's looking at TMZ.com in his office.

I don't doubt for one second the sorority girls got together to ensure they had the same story. As I said in another post - more holes than swiss cheese as well as a bunchof 20 year olds that had been drinking for many hours that night. No credibility.

Other than a "it's not true, I wouldn't force myself on a woman", Ben has not give much to report on. In the Reno case he vehemently denied it and said he wanted to go to court to prove his innocence. We've not see anything close to that here.

SteelAbility
04-16-2010, 09:35 AM
But the NFL and the Rooney's are not making decisions based on one-sided media reports. They have their own investigators (ex FBI) that they use to investigate these types of incidents.

Goodell is not talking about a possible suspension because he's looking at TMZ.com in his office.

I don't doubt for one second the sorority girls got together to ensure they had the same story. As I said in another post - more holes than swiss cheese as well as a bunchof 20 year olds that had been drinking for many hours that night. No credibility.

Other than a "it's not true, I wouldn't force myself on a woman", Ben has not give much to report on. In the Reno case he vehemently denied it and said he wanted to go to court to prove his innocence. We've not see anything close to that here.

:Clap

If they did that , even as a once-every-so-often habit, the Steelers would be cellar dwellers like the Lions. If they did that anything beyond once-every-so-often, the Steelers wouldn't even be an organization today.

papillon
04-16-2010, 09:36 AM
Posted this in another thread but I feel it needs to stand on its own.

The media is only releasing details of one side here which is extremely unprofessional on their part but it is what is giving the story legs. Has any news sources quoted anyone in Ben's group or any of their statements? No because it isn't titalating enough.

Keep in mind that when you read this you are being quoted the statements of "sorority sisters." Living 1.5 miles from a major university and with a daughter of my own going to that university I promise you sorority sisters will lie, cheat and steal to protect each other in a heartbeat. I can tell you of "sisters" hiding evidence of drug and alcohol use from campus police. I can tell you stories of how the girls get stories straight against boys if something goes wrong on a date. If you don't think that they all got together to get their stories straight (primarily because they were all underage drinking) then you are naive. If you don't think they exaggerated elements of their stories to protect or support their "sister" you are naive.

Did something unsavory go on that night. Probably. Did Ben put himself in a terrible position? Absolutely. But don't think for a second that this wasn't two consenting adults making terrible decisions and there is plenty of fault on both sides.

You are just hearing one side because it implicates a stupid, immature star athlete but don't think for a second that little "Miss Georgia" doesn't have her fingerprints all over this incident.

I think we're hearing one side because the other side's attorney is telling him to keep his mouth shut and let it go away on its own. If there were nothing to this story Ben would be vehemently denying the incident, he is not and, as such, is going to lose the PR battle. I'm sure his attorney has told him as much. He's simply going to have to weather the storm and begin to make better decisions. I don't know that he's capable of that.

Pappy

JAR
04-16-2010, 09:39 AM
But the NFL and the Rooney's are not making decisions based on one-sided media reports. They have their own investigators (ex FBI) that they use to investigate these types of incidents.

Goodell is not talking about a possible suspension because he's looking at TMZ.com in his office.

I don't doubt for one second the sorority girls got together to ensure they had the same story. As I said in another post - more holes than swiss cheese as well as a bunchof 20 year olds that had been drinking for many hours that night. No credibility.

Other than a "it's not true, I wouldn't force myself on a woman", Ben has not give much to report on. In the Reno case he vehemently denied it and said he wanted to go to court to prove his innocence. We've not see anything close to that here.


The thing is, it's only the media saying suspension.


NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said the league would review the facts - in accordance with its personal-conduct code - and would follow up with Roethlisberger and the Steelers. He gave no time line.

I'm sure Ben's side has given Goodell whatever evidence they have.

phillyesq
04-16-2010, 09:43 AM
Posted this in another thread but I feel it needs to stand on its own.

The media is only releasing details of one side here which is extremely unprofessional on their part but it is what is giving the story legs. Has any news sources quoted anyone in Ben's group or any of their statements? No because it isn't titalating enough.

Keep in mind that when you read this you are being quoted the statements of "sorority sisters." Living 1.5 miles from a major university and with a daughter of my own going to that university I promise you sorority sisters will lie, cheat and steal to protect each other in a heartbeat. I can tell you of "sisters" hiding evidence of drug and alcohol use from campus police. I can tell you stories of how the girls get stories straight against boys if something goes wrong on a date. If you don't think that they all got together to get their stories straight (primarily because they were all underage drinking) then you are naive. If you don't think they exaggerated elements of their stories to protect or support their "sister" you are naive.

Did something unsavory go on that night. Probably. Did Ben put himself in a terrible position? Absolutely. But don't think for a second that this wasn't two consenting adults making terrible decisions and there is plenty of fault on both sides.

You are just hearing one side because it implicates a stupid, immature star athlete but don't think for a second that little "Miss Georgia" doesn't have her fingerprints all over this incident.

Very well said. Reading the witness statements from the girls, it certainly appears that they all got together to get their stories straight before providing statements. I'm not sure if they had time to do this (were their statements taken the next day as well?), but it appears that way.

The media is sensationalizing this because scandal sells a lot better than reporting that there is no substance to an allegation.

I'm not excusing Ben's behavior at all, but the reporting has certainly been one sided.

Steelgal
04-16-2010, 09:49 AM
I haven't watched ESPN, listened to ESPN radio, or any other media outlet since the prosecutor had his press conference. Besides the statements from Ben and Mr. Rooney, I also haven't read anything else on the matter. Tiger is probably going to send Ben a huge Thank You note for taking so much of the media away from him and his troubles and I wouldn't blame him. We can only hope that some other major athlete has a big screw up so the spotlight can shift from Ben. I think the more it gets over-analyzed by everyone, the more scenarios people come up with on what/how things happened. I've read some stuff on various Steeler message boards that's just flat out stupid. Both people are at fault in this mess, it's just to what degree that fault no one can agree on.

JAR
04-16-2010, 10:03 AM
The Media Lynching of Ben Roethlisberger

http://ludwig.squarespace.com/politics- ... erger.html (http://ludwig.squarespace.com/politics-journal/2010/4/15/the-media-lynching-of-ben-roethlisberger.html)

Blitz-en
04-16-2010, 10:08 AM
This is a witch hunt. Buried in all of this is the statement that Ben's friend made that Ben was angry and shocked at the allegation, the night of the situation. Said he was in the back "messing around" with her. She fell, he helped her up and suggested they be 'done'. If that is the story, wouldn't she be pissed that he put her aside? Funny, no DNA was found during a routine rape assault kit was employed at the hospital.

Also, a guy that was not convicted of a crime, not a charge brought against him, should have some grounds for suggesting character defamation. The GA DA, the media, perhaps the NFL (if suspensions follow) could all be accused of defamation of Ben's name due to all the junk that was said in public, or discipline based on hearsay. That DA was completely unprofessional in his statements. When did it become commonplace to use somebody's name and suggest he did unsavory things, when there was no court ruling to present facts?

Ben is not totally innocent in all this. But, hel1, Tiger Woods looks like a choir boy in comparison (according to media coverage/opinions).

papillon
04-16-2010, 10:12 AM
This is a witch hunt. Buried in all of this is the statement that Ben's friend made that Ben was angry and shocked at the allegation, the night of the situation. Said he was in the back "messing around" with her. She fell, he helped her up and suggested they be 'done'. If that is the story, wouldn't she be pissed that he put her aside? Funny, no DNA was found during a routine rape assault kit was employed at the hospital.

Also, a guy that was not convicted of a crime, not a charge brought against him, should have some grounds for suggesting character defamation. The GA DA, the media, perhaps the NFL (if suspensions follow) could all be accused of defamation of Ben's name due to all the junk that was said in public, or discipline based on hearsay. That DA was completely unprofessional in his statements. When did it become commonplace to use somebody's name and suggest he did unsavory things, when there was no court ruling to present facts?

Ben is not totally innocent in all this. But, hel1, Tiger Woods looks like a choir boy in comparison (according to media coverage/opinions).

Not one of Tiger's 15 or 16 mistresses filed a rape or sexual assault lawsuit against Tiger that's why Ben is being hammered in the media.

Pappy

Steel Life
04-16-2010, 10:16 AM
Interesting that on ESPN's "First Take" they broached the subject of Ben being treated unfairly in the media with Eric Casilias (sp?) vigorously defending Ben...wow, are we seeing the tide turning? They then tried address issues of race factoring into Ben's punishment by comparing Santonio's suspension Casilias again argued that it's apples & oranges, Dana Jacobsen show she's a twit by saying that some think that if Ben was black he would've been suspended by now...this is what passes for sports journalism.

Blitz-en
04-16-2010, 10:28 AM
This is a witch hunt. Buried in all of this is the statement that Ben's friend made that Ben was angry and shocked at the allegation, the night of the situation. Said he was in the back "messing around" with her. She fell, he helped her up and suggested they be 'done'. If that is the story, wouldn't she be pissed that he put her aside? Funny, no DNA was found during a routine rape assault kit was employed at the hospital.

Also, a guy that was not convicted of a crime, not a charge brought against him, should have some grounds for suggesting character defamation. The GA DA, the media, perhaps the NFL (if suspensions follow) could all be accused of defamation of Ben's name due to all the junk that was said in public, or discipline based on hearsay. That DA was completely unprofessional in his statements. When did it become commonplace to use somebody's name and suggest he did unsavory things, when there was no court ruling to present facts?

Ben is not totally innocent in all this. But, hel1, Tiger Woods looks like a choir boy in comparison (according to media coverage/opinions).

Not one of Tiger's 15 or 16 mistresses filed a rape or sexual assault lawsuit against Tiger that's why Ben is being hammered in the media.

Pappy


Fair enough. But, is a 20 year old sorority sister, wearing a D.T.F. label, intoxicated beyond being able to write a statement the night of the allegation, a credible source of an accusation? Also, there haven't been any rape or sexual assault lawsuits brought against Ben, either. That's the problem, everybody has already established that Ben is guilty. When, in reality, there have been accusations made against a $100 million QB in the NFL, for inappropriate behavior, but none have actually proven anything. When I have women hanging all over me, wanting to spend 15 minutes of time with me, so they can tell their friends they slept with a celebrity, I may be able to explain the psyche of Ben Roethlisberger. I'm just trying not to judge him without knowing 80% of the story.

In contrast, it burns my as$ that the Steeler's name is being dragged through the mud. I have a major conundrum going on inside my head about this.

RuthlessBurgher
04-16-2010, 12:16 PM
Interesting that on ESPN's "First Take" they broached the subject of Ben being treated unfairly in the media with Eric Casilias (sp?) vigorously defending Ben...wow, are we seeing the tide turning? They then tried address issues of race factoring into Ben's punishment by comparing Santonio's suspension Casilias again argued that it's apples & oranges, Dana Jacobsen show she's a twit by saying that some think that if Ben was black he would've been suspended by now...this is what passes for sports journalism.

Erik Kuselias was a practicing lawyer before coming to ESPN, so he knows more about such things than most of their talking heads.

He also has been on the other side of the sexual harassment issue himself. Apparently, while drunk at an ESPN party, the married Kuselius blurted out to a female ESPN employee that "I would like to @#$% you" which she reported to Human Resources, and ESPN suspended him, because he had supposedly been warned before about such things.

His wife apparently suspected infidelity, and hired a private investigator who told her that he was having an affair with ESPN fantasy injury guru Stephania Bell.

steelblood
04-16-2010, 12:19 PM
Interesting that on ESPN's "First Take" they broached the subject of Ben being treated unfairly in the media with Eric Casilias (sp?) vigorously defending Ben...wow, are we seeing the tide turning? They then tried address issues of race factoring into Ben's punishment by comparing Santonio's suspension Casilias again argued that it's apples & oranges, Dana Jacobsen show she's a twit by saying that some think that if Ben was black he would've been suspended by now...this is what passes for sports journalism.

Erik Kuselias was a practicing lawyer before coming to ESPN, so he knows more about such things than most of their talking heads.

He also has been on the other side of the sexual harassment issue himself. Apparently, while drunk at an ESPN party, the married Kuselius blurted out to a female ESPN employee that "I would like to @#$% you" which she reported to Human Resources, and ESPN suspended him, because he had supposedly been warned before about such things.

His wife apparently suspected infidelity, and hired a private investigator who told her that he was having an affair with ESPN fantasy injury guru Stephania Bell.

So Ben is vigorously defending by a misogynist who cheated on his wife? Awesome.

Steel Life
04-16-2010, 05:10 PM
Interesting that on ESPN's "First Take" they broached the subject of Ben being treated unfairly in the media with Eric Casilias (sp?) vigorously defending Ben...wow, are we seeing the tide turning? They then tried address issues of race factoring into Ben's punishment by comparing Santonio's suspension Casilias again argued that it's apples & oranges, Dana Jacobsen show she's a twit by saying that some think that if Ben was black he would've been suspended by now...this is what passes for sports journalism.

Erik Kuselias was a practicing lawyer before coming to ESPN, so he knows more about such things than most of their talking heads.

He also has been on the other side of the sexual harassment issue himself. Apparently, while drunk at an ESPN party, the married Kuselius blurted out to a female ESPN employee that "I would like to @#$% you" which she reported to Human Resources, and ESPN suspended him, because he had supposedly been warned before about such things.

His wife apparently suspected infidelity, and hired a private investigator who told her that he was having an affair with ESPN fantasy injury guru Stephania Bell.

So Ben is vigorously defending by a misogynist who cheated on his wife? Awesome.
First..At least someone is defending him & hopefully got it started.

2nd...a misogynist is someone with a hatred, dislike or mistrust of women. Doesn't seem as though had any of those issues.

Leper Friend
04-16-2010, 05:49 PM
Adan Schein on Sirius NFL all day today was refering to her as the "victim" and that the "fact" that she said it was't ok and he kept going is cause for him to be released.

Now of course the problem with that is that he is reporting everything he read that she sais as fact and not giving any other possibility.Nobody knows if that actually happEned but the media never let's facts get in the way of a good story.