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Doogie36
04-16-2010, 07:20 AM
Ok now that the JETS signed his tender it has me thinking draft day trade. I dont know much about this stuff but ever since that rumor of Leon being involved in the HOLMES trade has me really wanting him.

We have a HUGE need at the RB position and this guy can really help our team in the passing game, return game, and as a back up.

I know he didnt appear to be happy with the JETS and this just seems like something that had to be done in order to trade him correct????

If he is traded on draft day what do you guys think it would take??? The same 5th rd they gave us for HOLMES?????

Am I reading to much into this or is there a chance in us getting him???? I can't see us being happy drafting a ROOKIE to back up and MOORE is good but he's better as a 3rd down back.

Appreciate any feedback and I'm shocked no one is talking about this even if he wasnt rumored to be involved in the trade. We should be going after this guy even if he wasnt part of the WINK WINK deal.

steelblood
04-16-2010, 07:28 AM
Leon had a compound fracture last season. He may not be fully effective this season.

Doogie36
04-16-2010, 07:59 AM
I understand that but the tender was 2 million dollars....Hard to imagine a team spending that much money on someone who isnt effective. If we dont get a proven vet at the RB position we are TOAST!!!!!!!!

Look at the year we had STALEY, BETTIS and PARKER............All 3 of those guys were starters for at least 1 game that year. This year we have Mendenhall and Moore??? I mean lets get real here............We need a VETERAN RB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oviedo
04-16-2010, 08:04 AM
I understand that but the tender was 2 million dollars....Hard to imagine a team spending that much money on someone who isnt effective. If we dont get a proven vet at the RB position we are TOAST!!!!!!!!

Look at the year we had STALEY, BETTIS and PARKER............All 3 of those guys were starters for at least 1 game that year. This year we have Mendenhall and Moore??? I mean lets get real here............We need a VETERAN RB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Doogie--you get it. While everyone is wringing their hands about getting DBs (who won't play in Year 1 in LeBeau's defense), the one position that will derail this season faster than anything is RB. Mendy is it. We have nothing behind him. Moore is not a viable #1 runner no matter what he did two years ago. Losing Mendy will scuttle this season in a heartbeat. All these mocks that have us getting RBs in rounds 4, 5, and 6 are just going to set us up to fail.

I'd give up a Round 4 pick for Washington in a heartbeat.

Iron Shiek
04-16-2010, 08:52 AM
I understand that but the tender was 2 million dollars....Hard to imagine a team spending that much money on someone who isnt effective. If we dont get a proven vet at the RB position we are TOAST!!!!!!!!

Look at the year we had STALEY, BETTIS and PARKER............All 3 of those guys were starters for at least 1 game that year. This year we have Mendenhall and Moore??? I mean lets get real here............We need a VETERAN RB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Doogie--you get it. While everyone is wringing their hands about getting DBs (who won't play in Year 1 in LeBeau's defense), the one position that will derail this season faster than anything is RB. Mendy is it. We have nothing behind him. Moore is not a viable #1 runner no matter what he did two years ago. Losing Mendy will scuttle this season in a heartbeat. All these mocks that have us getting RBs in rounds 4, 5, and 6 are just going to set us up to fail.

I'd give up a Round 4 pick for Washington in a heartbeat.

Add me to your RB party. I've always liked Washington. You'd have to really examine him to make sure he didn't lose any speed, but he makes sense. And he was a primary kick returner...could save a roster spot.

Shawn
04-16-2010, 08:57 AM
I understand that but the tender was 2 million dollars....Hard to imagine a team spending that much money on someone who isnt effective. If we dont get a proven vet at the RB position we are TOAST!!!!!!!!

Look at the year we had STALEY, BETTIS and PARKER............All 3 of those guys were starters for at least 1 game that year. This year we have Mendenhall and Moore??? I mean lets get real here............We need a VETERAN RB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Doogie--you get it. While everyone is wringing their hands about getting DBs (who won't play in Year 1 in LeBeau's defense), the one position that will derail this season faster than anything is RB. Mendy is it. We have nothing behind him. Moore is not a viable #1 runner no matter what he did two years ago. Losing Mendy will scuttle this season in a heartbeat. All these mocks that have us getting RBs in rounds 4, 5, and 6 are just going to set us up to fail.

I'd give up a Round 4 pick for Washington in a heartbeat.

Honestly, I am not all that concerned about getting DBs. I am curious as to how our 2nd year guys will develop personally. I hope we grab one in the first two rounds but I don't think it's a dire need.

As for running back. I agree and disagree. We do need a solid #2. Where we disagree is which round we need to obtain one. LeGarrette can probably be had in round 5 and there is no doubt in my mind he can start in the NFL and be highly successful. The guy is a beast. But, with Holmes and Ben troubles I'm not sure we would take a chance on him. I have warmed up to the Spiller idea. If he dropped to 18 he would likely be the best player available. I would take him over Pouncey or Iupati. But, if I'm looking at Thomas, Haden, and Spiller. It would be Thomas.

JAR
04-16-2010, 09:00 AM
The DBs will be fine if they can get pressure on the QB this year. Like others have said, all they have is Mendy and need to address RB.

SteelBucks
04-16-2010, 09:12 AM
I understand that but the tender was 2 million dollars....Hard to imagine a team spending that much money on someone who isnt effective. If we dont get a proven vet at the RB position we are TOAST!!!!!!!!

Look at the year we had STALEY, BETTIS and PARKER............All 3 of those guys were starters for at least 1 game that year. This year we have Mendenhall and Moore??? I mean lets get real here............We need a VETERAN RB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Doogie--you get it. While everyone is wringing their hands about getting DBs (who won't play in Year 1 in LeBeau's defense), the one position that will derail this season faster than anything is RB. Mendy is it. We have nothing behind him. Moore is not a viable #1 runner no matter what he did two years ago. Losing Mendy will scuttle this season in a heartbeat. All these mocks that have us getting RBs in rounds 4, 5, and 6 are just going to set us up to fail.

I'd give up a Round 4 pick for Washington in a heartbeat.

:Agree

Oviedo
04-16-2010, 09:15 AM
I understand that but the tender was 2 million dollars....Hard to imagine a team spending that much money on someone who isnt effective. If we dont get a proven vet at the RB position we are TOAST!!!!!!!!

Look at the year we had STALEY, BETTIS and PARKER............All 3 of those guys were starters for at least 1 game that year. This year we have Mendenhall and Moore??? I mean lets get real here............We need a VETERAN RB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Doogie--you get it. While everyone is wringing their hands about getting DBs (who won't play in Year 1 in LeBeau's defense), the one position that will derail this season faster than anything is RB. Mendy is it. We have nothing behind him. Moore is not a viable #1 runner no matter what he did two years ago. Losing Mendy will scuttle this season in a heartbeat. All these mocks that have us getting RBs in rounds 4, 5, and 6 are just going to set us up to fail.

I'd give up a Round 4 pick for Washington in a heartbeat.

Honestly, I am not all that concerned about getting DBs. I am curious as to how our 2nd year guys will develop personally. I hope we grab one in the first two rounds but I don't think it's a dire need.

As for running back. I agree and disagree. We do need a solid #2. Where we disagree is which round we need to obtain one. LeGarrette can probably be had in round 5 and there is no doubt in my mind he can start in the NFL and be highly successful. The guy is a beast. But, with Holmes and Ben troubles I'm not sure we would take a chance on him. I have warmed up to the Spiller idea. If he dropped to 18 he would likely be the best player available. I would take him over Pouncey or Iupati. But, if I'm looking at Thomas, Haden, and Spiller. It would be Thomas.

I agree. IMO with what the Rooney's are going through publicity wise because of Ben there isn't a snowballs chance in hell that we draft Blount or any other player who has a character blemish or even a suggestion of a blemish.

If Spiller were available I'd still take him in a heartbeat. Unfortunately I think he will be gone top 10-12.

I think our shocker Round 1 pick, especially if we can trade down, could be Ryan Matthews. Wouldn't surprise me to see Jahvid Best or Ben Tate in Round 2. But I think we need to get a RB in Rounds 1-3.

Shawn
04-16-2010, 09:49 AM
Ryan Matthews...that could be interesting. I'm not big on Tate in the second. When he was being spoken of as a 5th I love him. In the second? Eh not so much. I would rather have Gerhart personally. And I agree about Blount...but I can't change my mock. I really like the guy.

calmkiller
04-16-2010, 10:24 AM
I understand that but the tender was 2 million dollars....Hard to imagine a team spending that much money on someone who isnt effective. If we dont get a proven vet at the RB position we are TOAST!!!!!!!!

Look at the year we had STALEY, BETTIS and PARKER............All 3 of those guys were starters for at least 1 game that year. This year we have Mendenhall and Moore??? I mean lets get real here............We need a VETERAN RB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Doogie--you get it. While everyone is wringing their hands about getting DBs (who won't play in Year 1 in LeBeau's defense), the one position that will derail this season faster than anything is RB. Mendy is it. We have nothing behind him. Moore is not a viable #1 runner no matter what he did two years ago. Losing Mendy will scuttle this season in a heartbeat. All these mocks that have us getting RBs in rounds 4, 5, and 6 are just going to set us up to fail.

I'd give up a Round 4 pick for Washington in a heartbeat.

You do remember the fact that Willie Parker was an UDFA right? RB is the easiest position on the field to fill. Taking a RB in the first round is not a priority.....Sorry.

Oviedo
04-16-2010, 10:28 AM
Ryan Matthews...that could be interesting. I'm not big on Tate in the second. When he was being spoken of as a 5th I love him. In the second? Eh not so much. I would rather have Gerhart personally. And I agree about Blount...but I can't change my mock. I really like the guy.

I think Tate has come up alot during the review process. Round 3 is probably about right for both him and Gerhardt. I would take either.

birtikidis
04-16-2010, 10:44 AM
I agree with ovi about the need for a running back.
I'd take Leon Washington in a heart beat...
or L. Blount... or T. Gerhart...
and have pouncey blocking for him (since thomas will be gone)

Steel Life
04-16-2010, 10:45 AM
While Washington would certainly bring something dynamic to the table, he is not a workhorse back if asked to be. However his home-run & kick-off return ability offer us something we don't have. The money he's asking for might also be problematic, but Madden-think aside I'd be okay with it.

Looking to the draft, I think there a number of options & I really like Gerhart but with the guys we do have & an established starter in Mendenhall, I just don't see bringing in RB until the 5th round where guys like Deji Karim (think Maurice Drew), Joique Bell or Charles Scott will be available. Keep an eye on Toney Baker & Dmitri Nance as UDFAs of interest.

Sugar
04-16-2010, 11:18 AM
I understand that but the tender was 2 million dollars....Hard to imagine a team spending that much money on someone who isnt effective. If we dont get a proven vet at the RB position we are TOAST!!!!!!!!

Look at the year we had STALEY, BETTIS and PARKER............All 3 of those guys were starters for at least 1 game that year. This year we have Mendenhall and Moore??? I mean lets get real here............We need a VETERAN RB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Doogie--you get it. While everyone is wringing their hands about getting DBs (who won't play in Year 1 in LeBeau's defense), the one position that will derail this season faster than anything is RB. Mendy is it. We have nothing behind him. Moore is not a viable #1 runner no matter what he did two years ago. Losing Mendy will scuttle this season in a heartbeat. All these mocks that have us getting RBs in rounds 4, 5, and 6 are just going to set us up to fail.

I'd give up a Round 4 pick for Washington in a heartbeat.

You do remember the fact that Willie Parker was an UDFA right? RB is the easiest position on the field to fill. Taking a RB in the first round is not a priority.....Sorry.

B-I-N-G-O!!!

proudpittsburgher
04-16-2010, 11:55 AM
I would love to have a guy like Leon Washington as well, but giving a fourth round pick for him? That would mean we sent Santonio for Washington and gave up a fourth for a fifth in the draft. Although, judging by the fact we were dumping him either way, I guess I would still take it.

WoodleyofTroy
04-16-2010, 11:58 AM
Surprised no one talks about Jahvid Best. He's a homerun threat everytime he touches the ball.

RuthlessBurgher
04-16-2010, 12:19 PM
Surprised no one talks about Jahvid Best. He's a homerun threat everytime he touches the ball.

Because #18 is too early for him, and #52 is too late for him.

WoodleyofTroy
04-16-2010, 12:30 PM
Surprised no one talks about Jahvid Best. He's a homerun threat everytime he touches the ball.

Because #18 is too early for him, and #52 is too late for him.

But as with all Running backs (hardest position to predict because so many backs can be had late, with teams passing for another position) I've seen him in the middle of the 2nd to the late 3rd.

I can see Best being one of those guys left on the board after 2 rounds, that everyone talks about wanting on day 2 (the old day 2, where the 3rd round started).

LeSean McCoy was picked #53 overall. No one ever thought that would happen. And he was a better prospect than Best. He was projected to go in the 1st round, a lot more times than Best is, which is only a rare few.

But my point is, you got to at least talk about him. No one talked about Mendenhall because they didn't think he would be there.

frankthetank1
04-16-2010, 02:49 PM
I would love to have a guy like Leon Washington as well, but giving a fourth round pick for him? That would mean we sent Santonio for Washington and gave up a fourth for a fifth in the draft. Although, judging by the fact we were dumping him either way, I guess I would still take it.

that would be a great trade off for us considering the steelers just wanted holmes out. i would trade a 4th for washington in a heart beat. even though he broke his leg last season he will still be just as productive as he has been in the past. he is also a good return man. one thing is for sure is we need a rb in rounds 1-3 if we are not trading for a vet like washington. i would love spiller in the first but that isnt happening. i hope we can get either blount or gerhart but i think i would perfer blount more. he has good size and speed

RuthlessBurgher
04-17-2010, 10:46 AM
The rumors about Washington being a part of the trade were odd. He couldn't have been traded at the time we sent Santonio to New York because he hadn't signed his RFA tender yet. But now that he has signed it, he is tradeable. If we tried to work out a Santonio-for-Leon deal last week that could not be consummated (I hate using that word now after the Ben ordeal), perhaps we worked out some implicit agreement with them that if we are not able to get the RB that we want on Thursday or Friday of the draft, that we could send the Jets the 5th rounder that we got from them for Santonio back to them for Washington. I'd be happy with that (but only if we weren't able to get someone else that we wanted, like Tate or Gerhart or whatever). It would be a solid contingency plan if it were true.