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hawaiiansteel
04-15-2010, 01:37 PM
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Pittsburgh Steelers -


Top needs: CB, OL, DE, OLB, RB, NT

First round (18): C/G Maurkice Pouncey

Second round (52): CB Patrick Robinson

Third round (82): DE Alex Carrington

Fourth round (116): RB Jonathan Dwyer

Summary: The Steelers aren't far from being a really good team again, so they need to not be distracted and attack the obvious holes. I think they will. Pouncey will help the interior running game immediately; he's a versatile talent. Robinson has first-round talent but isn't always consistent. He's a great value this late, however, as he's been considered a first-round option at times. Carrington has good length and should develop as a pass-rusher, and Dwyer has dropped a long way because of a lack of explosiveness. That said, you can do worse finding a talented back with a big chip on his shoulder.

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Oviedo
04-15-2010, 01:39 PM
Replace Pouncey with Iupati and this isn't bad.

birtikidis
04-15-2010, 01:45 PM
I like Kipers draft. too bad it'll never happen. we'll probably get stuck with some guy who dominated little kids at some crappy school in Idaho, even though he got punked at the senior bowl or something..

WoodleyofTroy
04-15-2010, 02:22 PM
Iupati would be a good pick at the end of the day, don't get me wrong, but he's one of those guys I can see committing a dumb penalty in a key game, at a key moment. We already have that in Kemo and Colon (as far as mean streak goes).

I'd rather have Pouncey's smarts on board.

Sugar
04-15-2010, 02:50 PM
Fortunately, Kipers mocks don't usually happen. He's a sharp guy and all, but I want a DB or maybe a DL first. I want Defense in a bad way this year and a playmaker in the backfield.

birtikidis
04-15-2010, 03:05 PM
Fortunately, Kipers mocks don't usually happen. He's a sharp guy and all, but I want a DB or maybe a DL first. I want Defense in a bad way this year and a playmaker in the backfield.
only if that DB is NOT a corner and his name is Earl Thomas. I don't see such a dire need as all the other people on here. replace T. Carter with T. Polamalu and see how much better our secondary plays. I wouldn't mind a DL there, but really, who do you take? all the ones that I would take are long gone by 18..
Pouncey would give us the most significant upgrade at any position on either side of the ball. thats how much better he is then hartwig...

SteelAbility
04-15-2010, 03:22 PM
Uh, we're not too far from being a good team again? :roll:

Good grief! We went 9-7 with a pile of brain-farts PLUS no Troy PLUS no Aaron Smith. NOONE wanted to play us in the playoffs. Brain-farts are easily correctible and Troy/Aaron have both healed up. I say that instantly makes us a great team. :tt2

frankthetank1
04-15-2010, 03:23 PM
Fortunately, Kipers mocks don't usually happen. He's a sharp guy and all, but I want a DB or maybe a DL first. I want Defense in a bad way this year and a playmaker in the backfield.
only if that DB is NOT a corner and his name is Earl Thomas. I don't see such a dire need as all the other people on here. replace T. Carter with T. Polamalu and see how much better our secondary plays. I wouldn't mind a DL there, but really, who do you take? all the ones that I would take are long gone by 18..
Pouncey would give us the most significant upgrade at any position on either side of the ball. thats how much better he is then hartwig...

you cant argue that replacing gay is pretty equal of an upgrade than replacing hartwig. hartwig isnt great but he isnt as bad of a center as willie gay is at cb. at least with thomas you get a guy that can play both FS and CB

birtikidis
04-15-2010, 03:27 PM
Fortunately, Kipers mocks don't usually happen. He's a sharp guy and all, but I want a DB or maybe a DL first. I want Defense in a bad way this year and a playmaker in the backfield.
only if that DB is NOT a corner and his name is Earl Thomas. I don't see such a dire need as all the other people on here. replace T. Carter with T. Polamalu and see how much better our secondary plays. I wouldn't mind a DL there, but really, who do you take? all the ones that I would take are long gone by 18..
Pouncey would give us the most significant upgrade at any position on either side of the ball. thats how much better he is then hartwig...

you cant argue that replacing gay is pretty equal of an upgrade than replacing hartwig. hartwig isnt great but he isnt as bad of a center as willie gay is at cb. at least with thomas you get a guy that can play both FS and CB
Sure I can. If hartwig had a great player go down next to him then it would be comparable. statistically, hartwig was the worst player at center in entire draft. and the problem with assessing gay is it was his first season as a starter. sure he stunk it up. don't get me wrong i thought he was terrible. but hartwig has been a starter for how long and he hasn't gotten even a mite better. plus there isn't anyone under hartwig already. If we had two draft picks sitting behind hartwig, I'd change my tune a little bit. thing is legursky isn't any better than hartwig so...

frankthetank1
04-15-2010, 03:41 PM
Fortunately, Kipers mocks don't usually happen. He's a sharp guy and all, but I want a DB or maybe a DL first. I want Defense in a bad way this year and a playmaker in the backfield.
only if that DB is NOT a corner and his name is Earl Thomas. I don't see such a dire need as all the other people on here. replace T. Carter with T. Polamalu and see how much better our secondary plays. I wouldn't mind a DL there, but really, who do you take? all the ones that I would take are long gone by 18..
Pouncey would give us the most significant upgrade at any position on either side of the ball. thats how much better he is then hartwig...

you cant argue that replacing gay is pretty equal of an upgrade than replacing hartwig. hartwig isnt great but he isnt as bad of a center as willie gay is at cb. at least with thomas you get a guy that can play both FS and CB

Sure I can. If hartwig had a great player go down next to him then it would be comparable. statistically, hartwig was the worst player at center in entire draft. and the problem with assessing gay is it was his first season as a starter. sure he stunk it up. don't get me wrong i thought he was terrible. but hartwig has been a starter for how long and he hasn't gotten even a mite better. plus there isn't anyone under hartwig already. If we had two draft picks sitting behind hartwig, I'd change my tune a little bit. thing is legursky isn't any better than hartwig so...

willie gay plays on almost the entire opposite side of the field as troy and losing a DE doesnt affect the secondary except for qb pressure, which should affect ike just as much. hartwig has essex next to him and the season before that he had simmons and stapleton. those are some bad RG's. willie gay started at least 6 games in 2008 when bmac broke his arm so it wasnt his first season in that role. you shouldnt expect much out of lewis or burnett. they arent any better than gay either or they would have been playing instead of gay last season. hartwig isnt even the worst O-lineman that starts. i would say essex is the worst on the Oline

birtikidis
04-15-2010, 03:46 PM
technically you're right. except there is a trickle down effect with losing smith and troy...
Run D suffers since Aaron isn't there.
now you HAVE to move the safety up....
with troy that's not a big deal because he can get back faster than any safety in football...\
with carter it means you're in trouble.
now Ryan clark has more field to cover due to Carter not being able to get to his responsibility...
now you have Gay one on one more.
Ike does suffer.
he looked really bad last year.
but so did gay... and clark... and carter...
I've said this a million times... in a 3-4 you have to have, not one but TWO defensive lineman who can control the line of scrimmage. the DE is one of the most important positions in all of football due to this trickle down effect.

papillon
04-15-2010, 03:52 PM
Replace Pouncey with Iupati and this isn't bad.

It depends who's on the board when they pick. if Mays, Thomas or Graham are on the board, then I don't like it. Most mocks or evaluators have Pouncey as a late 1st round pick. There's no need to reach the Steelers can use good football players at every position except quarterback and maybe tight end.

pappy

frankthetank1
04-15-2010, 03:58 PM
technically you're right. except there is a trickle down effect with losing smith and troy...
Run D suffers since Aaron isn't there.
now you HAVE to move the safety up....
with troy that's not a big deal because he can get back faster than any safety in football...\
with carter it means you're in trouble.
now Ryan clark has more field to cover due to Carter not being able to get to his responsibility...
now you have Gay one on one more.
Ike does suffer.
he looked really bad last year.
but so did gay... and clark... and carter...
I've said this a million times... in a 3-4 you have to have, not one but TWO defensive lineman who can control the line of scrimmage. the DE is one of the most important positions in all of football due to this trickle down effect.

without smith the run d suffers big time. you are right the entire secondary did look bad last season which is why i want thomas or wilson!!

having carter in their instead of troy exposes ryan clark more than anyone else imo. i assume you are planning on drafting a cb in round 2 or 3 and taking pouncey in round 1 right? my concern is we dont replace willie gay and have a repeat performance of last season. our biggest need is in the secondary. it is true a great pass rush makes a average secondary better but why should we have to rely on the pass rush being there every single game? imo you need both

birtikidis
04-15-2010, 04:03 PM
technically you're right. except there is a trickle down effect with losing smith and troy...
Run D suffers since Aaron isn't there.
now you HAVE to move the safety up....
with troy that's not a big deal because he can get back faster than any safety in football...\
with carter it means you're in trouble.
now Ryan clark has more field to cover due to Carter not being able to get to his responsibility...
now you have Gay one on one more.
Ike does suffer.
he looked really bad last year.
but so did gay... and clark... and carter...
I've said this a million times... in a 3-4 you have to have, not one but TWO defensive lineman who can control the line of scrimmage. the DE is one of the most important positions in all of football due to this trickle down effect.

without smith the run d suffers big time. you are right the entire secondary did look bad last season which is why i want thomas or wilson!!

having carter in their instead of troy exposes ryan clark more than anyone else imo. i assume you are planning on drafting a cb in round 2 or 3 and taking pouncey in round 1 right? my concern is we dont replace willie gay and have a repeat performance of last season. our biggest need is in the secondary. it is true a great pass rush makes a average secondary better but why should we have to rely on the pass rush being there every single game? imo you need both
pap there are only two db's I take in the first round and neither will be there for us. Thomas is my dream pick. so, I take Pouncey in the first...
if Nate Allen is there for us in the second I take him in a heart beat... I'd be back and forth on Cook, wouldn't hate it though that's for sure...
IMO our needs start at safety, center, lber then DL... in that order.
I agree with how Clark was exposed, but really... there aer only 2 or 3 safeties in all the NFL that wouldn't have been exposed if a guy like troy went down...

Sugar
04-15-2010, 04:47 PM
I just want Defense- I hear it wins championships! :wink:

Really, though I prefer a DB, I would take an LB or DL over anything on Offense.

birtikidis
04-15-2010, 04:55 PM
I just want Defense- I hear it wins championships! :wink:

Really, though I prefer a DB, I would take an LB or DL over anything on Offense.
it does win championships but why don't wait to see if nearly the same defense that was one of the greatest EVER can do it again when it's healthy. meanwhile, our resident manwhore is being sacked 48,49,50 times a season. wouldn't it be nice not to see this: http://www.xflmvp.com/images/hold.jpg

birtikidis
04-15-2010, 04:57 PM
I honestly don't think hartwig is even that much of an upgrade over mahan...

Sugar
04-15-2010, 05:06 PM
The point is that Gay just isn't NFL starter material. Let's get someone who will be and will be dominant. The OL doesn't really concern me much. Now that we've lost our top receiver in YPC we may not be making as many long developing plays anyway.

birtikidis
04-15-2010, 05:11 PM
The point is that Gay just isn't NFL starter material. Let's get someone who will be and will be dominant. The OL doesn't really concern me much. Now that we've lost our top receiver in YPC we may not be making as many long developing plays anyway.
so they're gonna scratch the playbook since tone is gone.
even though HE wasn't the deep threat...
and you think hartwig is a starter "material" even though he is consistently
rated as one of the worst (if not the worst) center in the NFL.. in nearly every
category.

hawaiiansteel
04-15-2010, 06:18 PM
I honestly don't think hartwig is even that much of an upgrade over mahan...



now that's cold! :lol:

Sugar
04-15-2010, 08:44 PM
The point is that Gay just isn't NFL starter material. Let's get someone who will be and will be dominant. The OL doesn't really concern me much. Now that we've lost our top receiver in YPC we may not be making as many long developing plays anyway.
so they're gonna scratch the playbook since tone is gone.
even though HE wasn't the deep threat...
and you think hartwig is a starter "material" even though he is consistently
rated as one of the worst (if not the worst) center in the NFL.. in nearly every
category.

Um, Tone had the largest YPC on the team. They won't scratch the playbook but they just won't have the options they had with Tone AND Wallace AND Ward on the field.[/quote]

Holmes had 79 catches for 1,248 yards and 5 TD's. That's a 15.8 yards per catch average.

Wallace had 39 catches for 756 yards and 6 TD's. That's a 19.4 yards per catch average.

birtikidis
04-15-2010, 09:18 PM
tone may have had the highest YPC on the team
but he wasn't the deep threat. or did you not watch the games?
Tone ran a ton of underneath stuff and had a ton of YAC.
Wallace was our deep threat.

AkronSteel
04-15-2010, 09:50 PM
I prefer Pouncey! He would improve our interior offensive line which would improve our running game which by proxy would improve our defense b/c we would have better time of possession which would keep our defense off the field!