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Oviedo
04-14-2010, 10:24 AM
Reported that the Dolphins may give him up for a late round pick since Brandon Marshall is going there.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/rumors#4601

Bring him in as a younger option to ARE and Battle? Insurance in case Sweed can't make it?

Would allow us to get rid of Logan as a return guy and he wouldn't be expected to be the #1 here.

Lebsteel
04-14-2010, 10:29 AM
I haven't followed him in Miami, but he sure was a huge return threat at OSU. If we could get him for a 5th round pick that would be one 1st rounder gone (Holmes) and another one to replace him. I would do it!

Jom112
04-14-2010, 10:36 AM
If you didn't like seeing Limas Sweed drop passes then you certainly don't want Ted Ginn Jr.

He has some of the worst hands in football. Great returner though...

flippy
04-14-2010, 10:39 AM
Could be a good idea.

He had 56 catches in his second yr. The decline last year could be due to the change in situation/qb and he may have some upside.

SteelHead
04-14-2010, 10:39 AM
A close friend of mine is a Dolphins fan. His take on Ginn is that he is just an average route runner , is timid when it comes to contact and tends to drop some easy ones but make the circus catch. What he does have is elite speed and seems like a humble good guy who does work hard but is a bit of a dummy. Maybe he needs a fresh start , better QB and a new WR coach to get his stuff worked out.

That being said......I'd give a 5th for him.

Dee Dub
04-14-2010, 10:43 AM
Why not?? I'd take him for a 5th round pick. With him and Wallace that is a ton of speed. Ginn is light years ahead of Limas Sweed.

frankthetank1
04-14-2010, 10:50 AM
If you didn't like seeing Limas Sweed drop passes then you certainly don't want Ted Ginn Jr.

He has some of the worst hands in football. Great returner though...

isnt that the truth. i watch a lot of the fins and ginn's hands are awful. its hard to say what ginn is worth. i wouldnt give up any higher than a 5th for him. he is an elite return man though. that game in new york last season against the jets was amazing.

RuthlessBurgher
04-14-2010, 11:15 AM
Using the pick obtained for Santonio to acquire his former Buckeye teammate (and fellow first round draft pick) would be weird.

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5868/996710vl.jpg

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
04-14-2010, 11:19 AM
I keep pulling the trigger but for some reason the safety is on!!!

6th in a heart beat! 5th...I might be interested.

Oviedo
04-14-2010, 11:23 AM
Why not?? I'd take him for a 5th round pick. With him and Wallace that is a ton of speed. Ginn is light years ahead of Limas Sweed.

My thoughts too. And if Sweed gets his act together you could be talking about one of the best young receiving groups in the NFL.

Shawn
04-14-2010, 11:26 AM
I watched nearly every game Ginn and Holmes played in college. My take on Holmes was that he would be an elite NFL talent. Not sure he quite made it there but he was certainly very good. I'm a big fan of sharp route runners and Holmes has always been a terrific route runner.

My take on Ginn was that he was very sloppy. He always rounded off out routes and had suspect hands. Ginn was dazzling in college however...his speed is so elite that he made guys look like they were standing still. He still has that speed. He is a real return threat.

My take? It depends on his contract. I wouldn't want Ginn for much more than vet minimum but he is worth a 6th based on his return prowess. Maybe Ward could get the guy to become a better route runner. I think he would be much more productive with Ben throwing him the ball. I would like to see him in the BnG. But, don't expect anything more than a #4 WR and return specialist. I will say though the thought of the safety respect Ginn and Wallace would receive would open up the run game.

Dee Dub
04-14-2010, 11:37 AM
I watched nearly every game Ginn and Holmes played in college. My take on Holmes was that he would be an elite NFL talent. Not sure he quite made it there but he was certainly very good. I'm a big fan of sharp route runners and Holmes has always been a terrific route runner.

My take on Ginn was that he was very sloppy. He always rounded off out routes and had suspect hands. Ginn was dazzling in college however...his speed is so elite that he made guys look like they were standing still. He still has that speed. He is a real return threat.

My take? It depends on his contract. I wouldn't want Ginn for much more than vet minimum but he is worth a 6th based on his return prowess. Maybe Ward could get the guy to become a better route runner. I think he would be much more productive with Ben throwing him the ball. I would like to see him in the BnG. But, don't expect anything more than a #4 WR and return specialist. I will say though the thought of the safety respect Ginn and Wallace would receive would open up the run game.

The cool thing is...the Steelers dont need Ginn to be elite. Just good. The Dolphins having used a first round pick on Ginn, needed him to be elite. And for a late round pick from the Steelers I think getting a descent receiver is a win-win situation.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
04-14-2010, 11:42 AM
I watched nearly every game Ginn and Holmes played in college. My take on Holmes was that he would be an elite NFL talent. Not sure he quite made it there but he was certainly very good. I'm a big fan of sharp route runners and Holmes has always been a terrific route runner.

My take on Ginn was that he was very sloppy. He always rounded off out routes and had suspect hands. Ginn was dazzling in college however...his speed is so elite that he made guys look like they were standing still. He still has that speed. He is a real return threat.

My take? It depends on his contract. I wouldn't want Ginn for much more than vet minimum but he is worth a 6th based on his return prowess. Maybe Ward could get the guy to become a better route runner. I think he would be much more productive with Ben throwing him the ball. I would like to see him in the BnG. But, don't expect anything more than a #4 WR and return specialist. I will say though the thought of the safety respect Ginn and Wallace would receive would open up the run game.

The cool thing is...the Steelers dont need Ginn to be elite. Just good. The Dolphins having used a first round pick on Ginn, needed him to be elite. And for a late round pick from the Steelers I think getting a descent receiver is a win-win situation.

I'm with you on this one. Nothing wrong with some competition. One factor might be his contract because he was a 1st. Might be too big of a number regardless of the comp. I'm not sure what his number is.

SteelBucks
04-14-2010, 12:03 PM
I watched nearly every game Ginn and Holmes played in college. My take on Holmes was that he would be an elite NFL talent. Not sure he quite made it there but he was certainly very good. I'm a big fan of sharp route runners and Holmes has always been a terrific route runner.

My take on Ginn was that he was very sloppy. He always rounded off out routes and had suspect hands. Ginn was dazzling in college however...his speed is so elite that he made guys look like they were standing still. He still has that speed. He is a real return threat.

My take? It depends on his contract. I wouldn't want Ginn for much more than vet minimum but he is worth a 6th based on his return prowess. Maybe Ward could get the guy to become a better route runner. I think he would be much more productive with Ben throwing him the ball. I would like to see him in the BnG. But, don't expect anything more than a #4 WR and return specialist. I will say though the thought of the safety respect Ginn and Wallace would receive would open up the run game.

His routes were sloppy in college but don't forget OSU was in the process of converting him from CB to WR. IMO, he would be an upgrade over ARE and could be a solid #3. I wouldn't give up a high pick though.

RuthlessBurgher
04-14-2010, 12:05 PM
[quote=Shawn]I watched nearly every game Ginn and Holmes played in college. My take on Holmes was that he would be an elite NFL talent. Not sure he quite made it there but he was certainly very good. I'm a big fan of sharp route runners and Holmes has always been a terrific route runner.

My take on Ginn was that he was very sloppy. He always rounded off out routes and had suspect hands. Ginn was dazzling in college however...his speed is so elite that he made guys look like they were standing still. He still has that speed. He is a real return threat.

My take? It depends on his contract. I wouldn't want Ginn for much more than vet minimum but he is worth a 6th based on his return prowess. Maybe Ward could get the guy to become a better route runner. I think he would be much more productive with Ben throwing him the ball. I would like to see him in the BnG. But, don't expect anything more than a #4 WR and return specialist. I will say though the thought of the safety respect Ginn and Wallace would receive would open up the run game.

The cool thing is...the Steelers dont need Ginn to be elite. Just good. The Dolphins having used a first round pick on Ginn, needed him to be elite. And for a late round pick from the Steelers I think getting a descent receiver is a win-win situation.

I'm with you on this one. Nothing wrong with some competition. One factor might be his contract because he was a 1st. Might be too big of a number regardless of the comp. I'm not sure what his number is.[/quote:1f4cnevm]

7/27/2007: Signed a five-year, $19.6 million contract. The deal includes $14 million guaranteed. 2009: $677,917, 2010: $1,035,833, 2011: $1,393,750, 2012: $1,801,667 (Voidable Year), 2013: Free Agent

Lebsteel
04-14-2010, 12:14 PM
[quote=Shawn]I watched nearly every game Ginn and Holmes played in college. My take on Holmes was that he would be an elite NFL talent. Not sure he quite made it there but he was certainly very good. I'm a big fan of sharp route runners and Holmes has always been a terrific route runner.

My take on Ginn was that he was very sloppy. He always rounded off out routes and had suspect hands. Ginn was dazzling in college however...his speed is so elite that he made guys look like they were standing still. He still has that speed. He is a real return threat.

My take? It depends on his contract. I wouldn't want Ginn for much more than vet minimum but he is worth a 6th based on his return prowess. Maybe Ward could get the guy to become a better route runner. I think he would be much more productive with Ben throwing him the ball. I would like to see him in the BnG. But, don't expect anything more than a #4 WR and return specialist. I will say though the thought of the safety respect Ginn and Wallace would receive would open up the run game.

The cool thing is...the Steelers dont need Ginn to be elite. Just good. The Dolphins having used a first round pick on Ginn, needed him to be elite. And for a late round pick from the Steelers I think getting a descent receiver is a win-win situation.

I'm with you on this one. Nothing wrong with some competition. One factor might be his contract because he was a 1st. Might be too big of a number regardless of the comp. I'm not sure what his number is.

7/27/2007: Signed a five-year, $19.6 million contract. The deal includes $14 million guaranteed. 2009: $677,917, 2010: $1,035,833, 2011: $1,393,750, 2012: $1,801,667 (Voidable Year), 2013: Free Agent[/quote:q9ijcr9h]
As long as the Fins have already paid him the guaranteed $, he would be well worth the 2010 and 2011 figures.

RussBII
04-14-2010, 12:30 PM
He's just a faster, sloppier, lazier Limas Sweed, imo.

I had him in FF this year, he dropped just about ever sure TD thrown his way. Of course I sat him for the weekend he returned two TDs.

steelblood
04-14-2010, 12:31 PM
I guess I'd do it for a sixth. A fifth? I don't know, probably.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
04-14-2010, 12:33 PM
[quote=Shawn]I watched nearly every game Ginn and Holmes played in college. My take on Holmes was that he would be an elite NFL talent. Not sure he quite made it there but he was certainly very good. I'm a big fan of sharp route runners and Holmes has always been a terrific route runner.

My take on Ginn was that he was very sloppy. He always rounded off out routes and had suspect hands. Ginn was dazzling in college however...his speed is so elite that he made guys look like they were standing still. He still has that speed. He is a real return threat.

My take? It depends on his contract. I wouldn't want Ginn for much more than vet minimum but he is worth a 6th based on his return prowess. Maybe Ward could get the guy to become a better route runner. I think he would be much more productive with Ben throwing him the ball. I would like to see him in the BnG. But, don't expect anything more than a #4 WR and return specialist. I will say though the thought of the safety respect Ginn and Wallace would receive would open up the run game.

The cool thing is...the Steelers dont need Ginn to be elite. Just good. The Dolphins having used a first round pick on Ginn, needed him to be elite. And for a late round pick from the Steelers I think getting a descent receiver is a win-win situation.

I'm with you on this one. Nothing wrong with some competition. One factor might be his contract because he was a 1st. Might be too big of a number regardless of the comp. I'm not sure what his number is.

7/27/2007: Signed a five-year, $19.6 million contract. The deal includes $14 million guaranteed. 2009: $677,917, 2010: $1,035,833, 2011: $1,393,750, 2012: $1,801,667 (Voidable Year), 2013: Free Agent[/quote:2g4un9h4]
Thanks RB. Looks like he is worth a shot.

snarky
04-14-2010, 02:32 PM
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frankthetank1
04-14-2010, 02:53 PM
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haha man that was classic. i have a good amount of friends that are fins fans all of them hated the ginn pick which was awful but the qb they really wanted was brady quinn. i think i would rather have ginn than quinn. at least ginn is a great return guy

steeler_george
04-14-2010, 03:28 PM
Sounds like a good option for the 3rd WR to stretch the field. With Ben's deep ball, he doesn't have to run the best routes, but the ability to separate, to find it in the air, and to make the catch.

Sounds like a good plan if is asking price is for low draft pick(s).

What other WR could be on the market, or are we set with El, Battle, Sweed, and company?

AngryAsian
04-14-2010, 03:31 PM
Sounds like a good option for the 3rd WR to stretch the field. With Ben's deep ball, he doesn't have to run the best routes, but the ability to separate, to find it in the air, and to make the catch.

Sounds like a good plan if is asking price is for low draft pick(s).

What other WR could be on the market, or are we set with El, Battle, Sweed, and company?

We already have a deep ball threat in Wallace. I think Sweed would be more advantageous with Ben's deep ball with his size.... Ben's deep ball always has the receiver coming back for the ball... assuming Sweed steps up. I would have to say no on the Ted Ginn assertion.

Dee Dub
04-14-2010, 05:04 PM
He's just a faster, sloppier, lazier Limas Sweed, imo.

Well considering Ginn has 128 career receptions and LImas Sweed has 7...I'd say you're a little off there.

DukieBoy
04-14-2010, 06:15 PM
Seriously, pass onTed Ginn, not to him.

Oviedo
04-16-2010, 02:41 PM
The 49ers just got Ginn for a 5th Round draft choice. A 5th Round draft chice seems to be the going rate this off season for former Ohio State WRs

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5099673

Lebsteel
04-16-2010, 04:58 PM
The 49ers just got Ginn for a 5th Round draft choice. A 5th Round draft chice seems to be the going rate this off season for former Ohio State WRs

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5099673
And he didn't even pull a "Tone" or a "Toke"