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SteelerfaninWV
04-13-2010, 08:03 PM
VIA :Insidepghsports(twitter)

Expecting Roethlisberger to get 2-4 games. Mutal agreement from Steelers, league.

Cant find anymore details yet.

Shawn
04-13-2010, 08:05 PM
Sounds about right.

SteelerNation1
04-13-2010, 08:07 PM
He should fight it tooth and nail. If it is handed down from the league that is. I would have NO PROBLEM with a Steeler suspension. But if this is from Goodell, it is a joke.

feltdizz
04-13-2010, 08:13 PM
He should fight it tooth and nail. If it is handed down from the league that is. I would have NO PROBLEM with a Steeler suspension. But if this is from Goodell, it is a joke.

The guy has 2 accusations and has brought a ton of negative attention to the league.
Having sex with a hotel worker who cries rape after the fact and is pretty off is still a STUPID move in the eyes of your employer...

take the hit and move on.. fighting the suspension would show Ben's stubborness and make it look like he still doesn't get it.

DukieBoy
04-13-2010, 08:21 PM
Question about these suspensions, hoping Ruthless or others know.......
When a play is suspended for, say 4 games, does that mean they are suspended from the games only, but may continue to practice with the team on the other days of the week ???

Eddie Spaghetti
04-13-2010, 08:23 PM
anything over two games is excessive, IMO.

RuthlessBurgher
04-13-2010, 08:39 PM
Question about these suspensions, hoping Ruthless or others know.......
When a play is suspended for, say 4 games, does that mean they are suspended from the games only, but may continue to practice with the team on the other days of the week ???

No games, no practice, no nothing during the suspension. But he would be able to practice at training camp and play in the preseason before the suspension would officially begin during the first week of the regular season.

ghettoscott
04-13-2010, 08:47 PM
anything over two games is excessive, IMO.

word. :Agree

Steel Life
04-13-2010, 08:50 PM
2 is acceptable, 4 would be outrageous & grounds for some griping by the union.

Djfan
04-13-2010, 08:50 PM
He should fight it tooth and nail. If it is handed down from the league that is. I would have NO PROBLEM with a Steeler suspension. But if this is from Goodell, it is a joke.


Agreed.

If Goodell hid the Cheating done by NE, Ben should get a parade.

If by the Steelers I'm behind it.

feltdizz
04-13-2010, 08:57 PM
anything over two games is excessive, IMO.

word. :Agree

I bet Goodell thinks the negative media attention was excessive too.

Ben is innocent of the crime but guilty of casting a negative light on the shield.
Reading about genital bleeding and bruising of a 20 year old drunk chick and the other case doesn't help the NFL brand. There are a lot of single mom's out there with children and the league has to make sure they look like they care.

when you put yourself in a position to be punished it's hard to say what is too excessive. I think excessive can be used for a lot of things with this episode.

feltdizz
04-13-2010, 08:58 PM
He should fight it tooth and nail. If it is handed down from the league that is. I would have NO PROBLEM with a Steeler suspension. But if this is from Goodell, it is a joke.


Agreed.

If Goodell hid the Cheating done by NE, Ben should get a parade.

If by the Steelers I'm behind it.

what if it's 2 by each?

DukieBoy
04-13-2010, 09:10 PM
He should fight it tooth and nail. If it is handed down from the league that is. I would have NO PROBLEM with a Steeler suspension. But if this is from Goodell, it is a joke.


Agreed.

If Goodell hid the Cheating done by NE, Ben should get a parade.

If by the Steelers I'm behind it.


Apparently the Cheatriots of NE were "too big to be allowed to fail" by the league .... Ben is not.

LouSteel
04-13-2010, 09:52 PM
He should fight it tooth and nail. If it is handed down from the league that is. I would have NO PROBLEM with a Steeler suspension. But if this is from Goodell, it is a joke.

Nega-freaking-tive.

Ben needs to impeove his image. Thag means being quiet, taking his lumps, and moving on. Anything else just looks bad.

Sugar
04-13-2010, 11:00 PM
For Ben to simply sit there and accept any punishment on this is almost like admitting guilt to me. He is the one that has been wronged here. The false accusations of the nut job in NV and the drunk sorority girl in GA (who couldn't even keep her story straight) have injured his reputation beyond repair.

With friends like these, Ben doesn't need enemies.

AkronSteel
04-13-2010, 11:43 PM
It seems fair to me!! The guy has to pay for his transgressions!!! I would hope that he would learn from this situation and would respond like a leader should. I will not get into the legal end of the conversation because I was not there and I don't know what exactly happened, as none of us do, but the guy cannot keep putting himself in positions like he has for the last couple of years. It's time to step up and be an adult for this guy or he is going to lose his career. I think that a 2-4 game suspension plus some type of rehab or counseling should be handed down. I hope that it doesn't kill the season for us but like Mike T always says......Next Guy Up!!!

:2c

phillyesq
04-14-2010, 12:18 AM
Has this been reported anywhere else, or is it just speculation?

Captain Lemming
04-14-2010, 12:34 AM
For Ben to simply sit there and accept any punishment on this is almost like admitting guilt to me. He is the one that has been wronged here. The false accusations of the nut job in NV and the drunk sorority girl in GA (who couldn't even keep her story straight) have injured his reputation beyond repair.

He has been wronged?
Why does he refuse to tell "his side".
He had his chance, he had a podium, he said squat.

Ben may not have committed a "crime", I sure hope not.
But please do not paint him as a poor "victim."

That is simply ridiculous.

Oh he WILL "simply sit there and accept any punishment" because the truth is not pretty.

Slapstick
04-14-2010, 06:05 AM
Why in the world would Ben Roethlisberger open his mouth?

He fought the McNulty accusation tooth and nail, bringing counter charges against her, and where did it get him?

Nowhere. That accusation is still hanging over his head as well as this one. A year later.

What purpose does that serve? How did that help him or the team?

No, Ben has already been tried and convicted in the court of lemming opinion, without having any opportunity to confront his accuser or prove his innocence in a court that actually matters.

Nope. Ben learned a lesson last year, not the one he should have learned (don't bang chicks you don't know) but one nonetheless: If you want to avoid being a distraction as much as possible after you screw up, then shut up. If Santonio had learned this, he might still be a Steeler.

SteelBucks
04-14-2010, 07:32 AM
He should fight it tooth and nail. If it is handed down from the league that is. I would have NO PROBLEM with a Steeler suspension. But if this is from Goodell, it is a joke.

There is really nothing Ben can do if it comes down from the league. He can appeal but Goodell rules on all appeals. So Goodell is judge, jury, and executioner.....also the Union has no power when it comes to league suspensions.

IMO, this will be a league suspension with input from the Steelers. Two games sounds about right.

stlrz d
04-14-2010, 08:09 AM
Has this been reported anywhere else, or is it just speculation?

Speculation.


A suspension would be stupid.

NWNewell
04-14-2010, 08:16 AM
2 is acceptable, 4 would be outrageous & grounds for some griping by the union.

I don't think so. A season, perhaps. 4 games... no... I mean we are talking multiple rape accusations. While I'll I'll give him the benifit of the doubt that he didn't rape anyone, the known facts demonstarte his behavior to be extremely inappropriate.

This isn't a paper towel dispenser, or smoking weed in your car, or animal curelty.

2-4 games is precicely what I expect and hope to see from the Rooney's, if not the league.

BURGH86STEEL
04-14-2010, 08:39 AM
2 is acceptable, 4 would be outrageous & grounds for some griping by the union.

I don't think so. A season, perhaps. 4 games... no... I mean we are talking multiple rape accusations. While I'll I'll give him the benifit of the doubt that he didn't rape anyone, the known facts demonstarte his behavior to be extremely inappropriate.

This isn't a paper towel dispenser, or smoking weed in your car, or animal curelty.

2-4 games is precicely what I expect and hope to see from the Rooney's, if not the league.

I wonder how some people would feel if it was their drunken daughter, sister, or mother that Ben was in the bathroom with? Just imagine that he used his fame to manipulate the situation. Did he have a plan to get this girl so drunk that he could take advantage? We will never know. It won't keep people from speculating or drawing their own conclusions. Unfortunately, we don't live in a world where facts alway triumph.

I agree that a 2 to 4 game suspension sounds about right. I think year suspension is excessive.

Djfan
04-14-2010, 09:00 AM
I wonder how some people would feel if it was their drunken daughter, sister, or mother that Ben was in the bathroom with? Just imagine that he used his fame to manipulate the situation. Did he have a plan to get this girl so drunk that he could take advantage? We will never know. It won't keep people from speculating or drawing their own conclusions. Unfortunately, we don't live in a world where facts alway triumph.

I agree that a 2 to 4 game suspension sounds about right. I think year suspension is excessive.

I wonder how people would feel if it were their SON getting accused by drunk underaged liars, wack jobs in casinos, and the odd attorney who won't name anyone, just throws gas on the fire??

It goes both ways. I find rape, etc., very extreme and offensive, but I also feel that rumor and he-said-she-said to be horrible. NOTHING has been established, so no punishment should come down.

pfelix73
04-14-2010, 09:34 AM
If I were Ben, I'd take them to court and sue for any lost wages. Seriously, the NFL is walking down a dangerous and in my eyes, an illegal path with these suspensions in general. Not only for Ben's but others as well.

:2c

NWNewell
04-14-2010, 09:41 AM
If I were Ben, I'd take them to court and sue for any lost wages. Seriously, the NFL is walking down a dangerous and in my eyes, an illegal path with these suspensions in general. Not only for Ben's but others as well.

:2c


Never work. Nothing illegal about it.

Jigawatts
04-14-2010, 09:42 AM
He should fight it tooth and nail. If it is handed down from the league that is. I would have NO PROBLEM with a Steeler suspension. But if this is from Goodell, it is a joke.

:Agree

And the union should back him all the way.

pfelix73
04-14-2010, 09:49 AM
It can be illegal. These policies that companies impose do NOT mean that they are in fact in compliance with the law. There are only certain situations where an employer can withhold payments from an employee. Most are court ordered.

IF Ben did nothing wrong then he should be allowed to work. I doubt Ben would push the issue and just go along with the decision, but legally, I think he could.

Someday, maybe not in Ben's situation, but someday, the league is going to find themselves in a lawsuit. A TO or Chad Ochocinco type player, etc.

:2c

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
04-14-2010, 09:59 AM
No league suspension. I'm for the Steelers suspending him. One reason is Ben should have to go through the motions for the 3 weeks as a #3 but be in street clothes on gameday. League suspension prohibits that. He will see and realize more being on the sidelines knowing he let alot of people down. IMO, being punished amongst the team on gameday will give the Steelers more insight on what direction Ben is headed. His response in this process could be the difference in the Steelers moving him or standing behind him as he works through his problems....If he even picks that route!

AngryAsian
04-14-2010, 10:05 AM
Tired of all the excuse makers for Ben's behavior. He may not be a rapist and just some big rough lug trying to get him some... but one thing he is guilty of is knowingly give alcohol to a minor (minor in respects to the legal drinking age). Last I checked, that's illegal and I'm sure some kind of line crossed in the NFL's conduct policy. That's just plain stupid and inexcusable in this organization. The bar should be set a little higher for these privileged athletes and even more so if you're associated with this organization.

He may not have been guilty of rape in either case, and maybe its unfair that his name has gotten slung through the mud, but he's a grown adult and if common sense doesn't dictate a change in his behavior after the first mudslinging hussy screaming rape, surely this incident should do the trick.

As for suspension, he should get 4 games, from either the league or the FO.

pfelix73
04-14-2010, 10:11 AM
No way- disagree. The bar sold the drinks, that would be tough to prove as well. What about her entering an establishment under age? Showing her license? That's illegal on her part, but yet nothing said.

Furthermore- what about Jeff Reed? No one is talking suspension for all of his off the field run ins with the law.

Whatever they do they do- what I'm gonna do is just simply tune out all this crap until the season starts, and then I'm gonna get my boy a new Ben Roethlisberger jersey so he can proudly wear it to a game.

GO STEELERS! Onward to #7. How fitting.

:tt1

Jigawatts
04-14-2010, 10:16 AM
but one thing he is guilty of is knowingly give alcohol to a minor (minor in respects to the legal drinking age).

Is that a fact AA? I'm not defending Bens actions, but anyone of us could have walked
into a bar and bought some chick a drink not knowing she's underage. She has to shoulder
some blame as well.

RuthlessBurgher
04-14-2010, 10:17 AM
No way- disagree. The bar sold the drinks, that would be tough to prove as well. What about her entering an establishment under age? Showing her license? That's illegal on her part, but yet nothing said.

Furthermore- what about Jeff Reed? No one is talking suspension for all of his off the field run ins with the law.

Whatever they do they do- what I'm gonna do is just simply tune out all this crap until the season starts, and then I'm gonna get my boy a new Ben Roethlisberger jersey so he can proudly wear it to a game.

GO STEELERS! Onward to #7. How fitting.

:tt1

I believe it has been established that it is a college bar that allows underage patrons to enter, but in order to buy alcohol, you need to wear a wristband. Since she was not 21 and therefore could not get a wristband, she had to get her 0.20 worth of alcohol in her system some other way, since the bartender could not serve her (i.e. Ben's shots).

Jeff Reed trashed a paper towel dispenser. He paid to have it replaced. He also was beligerant with the police when they tried to cite Matt Spaeth with public urination. He completed the required public service, and all charges were dropped 2 days ago. Reed's circumstances don't come anywhere close to sexual assault allegations.

NWNewell
04-14-2010, 10:20 AM
No league suspension. I'm for the Steelers suspending him. One reason is Ben should have to go through the motions for the 3 weeks as a #3 but be in street clothes on gameday. League suspension prohibits that. He will see and realize more being on the sidelines knowing he let alot of people down. IMO, being punished amongst the team on gameday will give the Steelers more insight on what direction Ben is headed. His response in this process could be the difference in the Steelers moving him or standing behind him as he works through his problems....If he even picks that route!

:Agree I've said from the beginning that I hope it's the Rooney's that follow through with the suspension. Making Ben stand on the sidelines to see first hand how he let the team down and for the rest of the team to have a constant visual reminder of the consequences of inappropriate behavior is a great benefit.

pfelix73
04-14-2010, 10:23 AM
Your wording- Sexual Assault ALLEGATIONS.

I went to college in the south where these wrist bands are used in bars all over the place. You can find wrist bands on the floor, etc. My point is- there are plenty of ways that someone without a band can get a drink without having to ask someone to get them one. Bar tenders also look the other way too. Just saying.

I guess Ben is going to have to get a signed contract for now on before he and a future girlfriend decides to have sex.

:tt1

ikestops85
04-14-2010, 11:24 AM
Tired of all the excuse makers for Ben's behavior. He may not be a rapist and just some big rough lug trying to get him some... but one thing he is guilty of is knowingly give alcohol to a minor (minor in respects to the legal drinking age). Last I checked, that's illegal and I'm sure some kind of line crossed in the NFL's conduct policy. That's just plain stupid and inexcusable in this organization. The bar should be set a little higher for these privileged athletes and even more so if you're associated with this organization.

He may not have been guilty of rape in either case, and maybe its unfair that his name has gotten slung through the mud, but he's a grown adult and if common sense doesn't dictate a change in his behavior after the first mudslinging hussy screaming rape, surely this incident should do the trick.

As for suspension, he should get 4 games, from either the league or the FO.

I have to disagree with you on just about everything you have said here. First, every lawyer I have heard talk about Ben giving drinks to a minor says that the bar is responsible for that. They are the ones serving the drinks and they are the ones responsible for checking the age of those drinking.

Now you come down on Ben for buying the drinks but you don't put any responsibility on the girl for drinking underage and probably having a false id ... both criminal offenses. It's not like this girl is some high school teenager. She is a 20 year old women who is an adult and responsible for her own actions.

Now I have no idea what happened in that bathroom that night. Only Ben and the girl know for sure. If he is guilty I wish they could prove it and he should spend some time in jail. Since guilt can't be proven our system says he is innocent whether any of us like it or not.

Next, please show me exactly what he violated in the personal conduct clause of his contract. I'm not a lawyer but from what I've read of the clause it is very vague regarding anything that might apply to Ben. My personal opinion is that any good lawyer would be able to go through the court system and overturn any suspension the league tried to enforce.

Ben is guilty of stupidity and nothing else. Should he be suspended for being stupid? I think that would be a slippery slope (as someone else mentioned) for the NFL to travel down. If a player goes through a nasty public divorce could he be suspended? What about cheating on your wife ... a suspendable offense? They both would portray the NFL in a negative light.

I think the steelers have another legacy to uphold. We develop championship quarterbacks that are extremely DENSE.

cruzer8
04-14-2010, 12:08 PM
I wonder how some people would feel if it was their drunken daughter, sister, or mother that Ben was in the bathroom with? Just imagine that he used his fame to manipulate the situation. Did he have a plan to get this girl so drunk that he could take advantage? We will never know. It won't keep people from speculating or drawing their own conclusions. Unfortunately, we don't live in a world where facts alway triumph.

I agree that a 2 to 4 game suspension sounds about right. I think year suspension is excessive.

I wonder how people would feel if it were their SON getting accused by drunk underaged liars, wack jobs in casinos, and the odd attorney who won't name anyone, just throws gas on the fire??

It goes both ways. I find rape, etc., very extreme and offensive, but I also feel that rumor and he-said-she-said to be horrible. NOTHING has been established, so no punishment should come down.

:Clap

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
04-14-2010, 12:21 PM
Wasn't this an over 18 club? I believe she had a right to be there. The owner said they confiscated a fake ID from her weeks before. She isn't innocent...She picked up the shots.

That being said..."Ignorance of the law by a person who commits an offence is not an excuse for committing that offence." "Ignorantia Juris Non Excusat"

I also believe posession and distribution makes you liable. Meaning if you own it (purchase), you are liable to the same laws under distribution. That covers the loop hole of a person over 21 distributing alcohol to a minor. Also applies in a establishment that serves alcohol to mixed crowds.

If she had a bracelet it creates other gray areas as to how she obtained it. You hear all the time of cases where the defense is "She said she was 21" or "She said she was 18" and the burden still falls on the accused. I know we have some lawyers in here who could enlighten us....

feltdizz
04-14-2010, 12:53 PM
All the talk about the chick and her lack of punishment... We don't know if she was kicked out of her sorority or cut off from her parents money, etc etc...

Would it really make some feel better about a suspension for Ben if you found out she was suspended from the sorority for 2 to 4 months? What does it matter what punishment she did or didn't get? Goodell and the Steelers have one concern and it's their reputation.

AngryAsian
04-14-2010, 03:22 PM
Tired of all the excuse makers for Ben's behavior. He may not be a rapist and just some big rough lug trying to get him some... but one thing he is guilty of is knowingly give alcohol to a minor (minor in respects to the legal drinking age). Last I checked, that's illegal and I'm sure some kind of line crossed in the NFL's conduct policy. That's just plain stupid and inexcusable in this organization. The bar should be set a little higher for these privileged athletes and even more so if you're associated with this organization.

He may not have been guilty of rape in either case, and maybe its unfair that his name has gotten slung through the mud, but he's a grown adult and if common sense doesn't dictate a change in his behavior after the first mudslinging hussy screaming rape, surely this incident should do the trick.

As for suspension, he should get 4 games, from either the league or the FO.

I have to disagree with you on just about everything you have said here. First, every lawyer I have heard talk about Ben giving drinks to a minor says that the bar is responsible for that. They are the ones serving the drinks and they are the ones responsible for checking the age of those drinking.

Now you come down on Ben for buying the drinks but you don't put any responsibility on the girl for drinking underage and probably having a false id ... both criminal offenses. It's not like this girl is some high school teenager. She is a 20 year old women who is an adult and responsible for her own actions.

Now I have no idea what happened in that bathroom that night. Only Ben and the girl know for sure. If he is guilty I wish they could prove it and he should spend some time in jail. Since guilt can't be proven our system says he is innocent whether any of us like it or not.

Next, please show me exactly what he violated in the personal conduct clause of his contract. I'm not a lawyer but from what I've read of the clause it is very vague regarding anything that might apply to Ben. My personal opinion is that any good lawyer would be able to go through the court system and overturn any suspension the league tried to enforce.

Ben is guilty of stupidity and nothing else. Should he be suspended for being stupid? I think that would be a slippery slope (as someone else mentioned) for the NFL to travel down. If a player goes through a nasty public divorce could he be suspended? What about cheating on your wife ... a suspendable offense? They both would portray the NFL in a negative light.

I think the steelers have another legacy to uphold. We develop championship quarterbacks that are extremely DENSE.

I see your point, but my bone of contention is that if he is already knee deep in crap from one ill-fated decision of being intimate with someone he doesn't know and has caused damaged to his reputation with a rape accusation, shouldn't he have some sense in insuring this doesn't happen again. As for yours and Jiga's very valid point in underage drinking by this certain young lady and having some of the responsibility fall upon her shoulders, I say who is the more mature here? The GA peach going to college or the professional athlete / business minded / lawyer advised / world traveler? I guess he thinks since its some rural-backwards azz country bumpkin of a town there's no chance of discovery with anything he may do. Not that I think he had malice or have any kind of forethought about what he was doing.

I think he was drunk and dumb and thinking with his Johnson... my only thing is why put yourself in that position, especially when you're already under the microscope for allegedly raping someone else? I guess the dumb-hick excuse is what we're going with here. I guess my aspirations for a franchise QB is too great.... one thing though.... Bradshaw didn't live in an age of instant information, paparazzi, and gold digging lawsuits.... if Ben is oblivious to these items then we're in for more of his idiotic antics.

Whether he didn't know she was a minor or not, he still did the deed of buying her drinks and wether that falls upon the bar's shoulders or his, he's the one that showed poor judgement... in my mind, he's still guilty... of poor judgement. 9 years ago when I got divorced (I was 35) I met a girl at my brother's party in Miami. We dated for about 6 months. She was 22 and at that party I actually asked to see her I.D, because to me, if they don't look 30, they might as well be 17.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
04-14-2010, 03:43 PM
Tired of all the excuse makers for Ben's behavior. He may not be a rapist and just some big rough lug trying to get him some... but one thing he is guilty of is knowingly give alcohol to a minor (minor in respects to the legal drinking age). Last I checked, that's illegal and I'm sure some kind of line crossed in the NFL's conduct policy. That's just plain stupid and inexcusable in this organization. The bar should be set a little higher for these privileged athletes and even more so if you're associated with this organization.

He may not have been guilty of rape in either case, and maybe its unfair that his name has gotten slung through the mud, but he's a grown adult and if common sense doesn't dictate a change in his behavior after the first mudslinging hussy screaming rape, surely this incident should do the trick.

As for suspension, he should get 4 games, from either the league or the FO.

I have to disagree with you on just about everything you have said here. First, every lawyer I have heard talk about Ben giving drinks to a minor says that the bar is responsible for that. They are the ones serving the drinks and they are the ones responsible for checking the age of those drinking.

Now you come down on Ben for buying the drinks but you don't put any responsibility on the girl for drinking underage and probably having a false id ... both criminal offenses. It's not like this girl is some high school teenager. She is a 20 year old women who is an adult and responsible for her own actions.

Now I have no idea what happened in that bathroom that night. Only Ben and the girl know for sure. If he is guilty I wish they could prove it and he should spend some time in jail. Since guilt can't be proven our system says he is innocent whether any of us like it or not.

Next, please show me exactly what he violated in the personal conduct clause of his contract. I'm not a lawyer but from what I've read of the clause it is very vague regarding anything that might apply to Ben. My personal opinion is that any good lawyer would be able to go through the court system and overturn any suspension the league tried to enforce.

Ben is guilty of stupidity and nothing else. Should he be suspended for being stupid? I think that would be a slippery slope (as someone else mentioned) for the NFL to travel down. If a player goes through a nasty public divorce could he be suspended? What about cheating on your wife ... a suspendable offense? They both would portray the NFL in a negative light.

I think the steelers have another legacy to uphold. We develop championship quarterbacks that are extremely DENSE.


Ikestops85 - Quote of the WEEK, IMO - and that's saying something!!