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steelernation77
04-13-2010, 01:52 PM
Ed Bouchete on 1250 ESPN: "Word is that another incident involving Ben in a Las Vegas nightclub has come out. That a Boston attorney was retained by a young lady in regards to an incident with Ben that sounds eerily similar to the case in Georgia. And as the case with in GA, no charges were filed in this Las Vegas incident."

"Steelers are mulling over all their possibilities. Including going with Dennis Dixon. I am not saying that is going to happen, probably nothing will happen. But the Steelers are going over all their options."

"If they were to trade him now, I believe the Rams would give up their 1st for this year, (no. 1 overall) and also next year."

papillon
04-13-2010, 01:55 PM
Ed Bouchete on 1250 ESPN: "Word is that another incident involving Ben in a Las Vegas nightclub has come out. That a Boston attorney was retained by a young lady in regards to an incident with Ben that sounds eerily similar to the case in Georgia. And as the case with in GA, no charges were filed in this Las Vegas incident."

"Steelers are mulling over all their possibilities. Including going with Dennis Dixon. I am not saying that is going to happen, probably nothing will happen. But the Steelers are going over all their options."

"If they were to trade him now, I believe the Rams would give up their 1st for this year, (no. 1 overall) and also next year."

If they find it's true they need to pull the trigger before it hits the media or his value will be a third round pick in the 2015 draft.

Pappy

snarky
04-13-2010, 01:56 PM
Just trying to get a pulse of this place about the Ben situation...so a little thought experiment.

If you were sitting in the Steelers FO and you had the opportunity right now to trade Ben to the Ram's for two first round picks (2010 and 2011) would you do it? For the purpose of this question, the decision is yours and yours alone. Assume that the offer is only valid for the next 30 minutes and after that it is gone forever.

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Personally, I would come down on the side of keeping him. But it would be very close decision.

NW Steeler
04-13-2010, 02:00 PM
I think after the emotion of this passes, most of us will be happy if the Steelers organization stands behind Ben and we keep him in Pittsburgh.

JAR
04-13-2010, 02:00 PM
Just trying to get a pulse of this place about the Ben situation...so a little thought experiment.

If you were sitting in the Steelers FO and you had the opportunity right now to trade Ben to the Ram's for two first round picks (2010 and 2011) would you do it? For the purpose of this question, the decision is yours and yours alone. Assume that the offer is only valid for the next 30 minutes and after that it is gone forever.

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Personally, I would come down on the side of keeping him. But it would be very close decision.

I wouldn't do it. Maybe if he had been charged with a crime, I would, but franchise QBs don't just grown on trees. It's a business, the Rooney's know what Ben gives them and what happens if they don't have him. Prediction. Goodell doesn't suspend Ben and the Rooney's don't trade him.

Dee Dub
04-13-2010, 02:01 PM
I have been defending Ben for the past couple of weeks as most of you know, but if these new allegations (Las Vegas), as reported by Post-Gazette beat writer, Bobn Smizkk, are true and the Rooney's have this information, I say forget the Rams. Contact the 49ers who are starving for a QB and take their two first round picks (13th and 17th), then draft Tim Teebow in round two.

flippy
04-13-2010, 02:02 PM
If we're gonna trade him, he's gotta be worth at least 3 #1s.

If we did have to trade him, we could get Suh and trade up for Berry and load up the defense.

NW Steeler
04-13-2010, 02:02 PM
Now that I have calmed down a bit, I think that nothing will happen as far as a trade goes. I don't know how the team can suspend Ben without it being a punishment to the rest of the team though. That isn't fair to them. If the NFL suspends him, then that is a different story.

Jom112
04-13-2010, 02:03 PM
If we're gonna trade him, he's gotta be worth at least 3 #1s.

If we did have to trade him, we could get Suh and trade up for Berry and load up the defense.

Three #1's? Come on now, this is Ricky Williams and the Rams aren't run by Mike Ditka... :lol:

RuthlessBurgher
04-13-2010, 02:04 PM
One #3, Three #1's. Po-Tay-To, Po-Tah-To.

Oviedo
04-13-2010, 02:05 PM
If we're gonna trade him, he's gotta be worth at least 3 #1s.

If we did have to trade him, we could get Suh and trade up for Berry and load up the defense.

Ben's value is dropping like a rock. Soon we will be lucky to get what the Eagles ot for McNabb...2nd and conditional 3/4.

papillon
04-13-2010, 02:05 PM
While he's been embarrassing to the organization for the past 9-10 months without any criminal charges, trials or convictions and I'm forced to make the decision in the next 30 minutes I would not pull the trigger.

He's as good a quarterback as there is in the league and they are very difficult to find and develop. He's immature, boorish, egotistical and naive and those are a bad combination of personality traits, but he's still innocent of any wrongdoing and hasn't been officially charged with any criminal activity, so I would keep him.

He would miss game time, if the union allows it to occur without pay, then 2-4 games would be the wake up call. If the union fights the no pay part then he'd miss the first 8 games and be the emergency quarterback only and the team would suffer for it either way. Hopefully, his team mates would expect better of him moving forward and let him know as much.

Pappy

steelerkeylargo
04-13-2010, 02:07 PM
I would do it for this years 1 & 2 and Adam Carriker.

aggiebones
04-13-2010, 02:07 PM
So you say if a 3rd thing pops up, which it has, NOW we trade him for multiple 1sts?

Why on Earth would the Rams trade for him and pay top value? Of course they will want him for much less. And what kind of signal does that send to their fans? 'Eh, we don't mind serial rapists here in St. Louis.'
This line of reasoning makes no sense.

It would be nice to get 3 no.1s for him, but that's just not going to happen.

Shawn
04-13-2010, 02:09 PM
No...I wouldn't trade him.

WoodleyofTroy
04-13-2010, 02:10 PM
I guarantee the Patriots could get 3 first round picks.

Steelers front office? Maybe a 4th.

papillon
04-13-2010, 02:10 PM
Now that I have calmed down a bit, I think that nothing will happen as far as a trade goes. I don't know how the team can suspend Ben without it being a punishment to the rest of the team though. That isn't fair to them. If the NFL suspends him, then that is a different story.

Exactly and that's why it should be done, let the team police themselves a bit. I'm certain that some of the players would take issue with Ben being the reason they lose an opportunity to win games and let him know about it.

Pappy

ANPSTEEL
04-13-2010, 02:14 PM
For two 1sts???

I'd ship him off.

IMO, there is absolutely no way this is over.

Even if this 3rd accuser is complete BS, the civil suit has yet to go to trial.

How does the team & league respond if Ben is found libel for sexual assault in that case?

Dee Dub
04-13-2010, 02:15 PM
No...I wouldn't trade him.

Even if this third incident is true?? And if you still say "NO"...how many more would it take for you?? Just curious.

SteelAbility
04-13-2010, 02:16 PM
Maybe we could trade him to Ravens for a 7th and a bag of Doritos. :P

Seriously ...

Knowing only what I know right now, I feel there is a lot of risk with Ben. Honestly, I HOPE with all my might that the smear campaign and/or money scam theories are true and that the truth of Ben's innocence will all come out and all the hiding cockroaches are exposed, but I'm having a very tough time just dismissing all of it.

Right now ... I would do that trade and take Suh with the first pick and like DD said, shoot for picking up Tebow in the 2nd. STL is likely to have a top-5 pick next year too.

snarky
04-13-2010, 02:17 PM
No...I wouldn't trade him.

Even if this third incident is true?? And if you still say "NO"...how many more would it take for you?? Just curious.

I can't speak for Shawn but I think most of us would want him gone if any of these three incidents was proven to be true. That's why I put the thirty minute window in there.

Shawn
04-13-2010, 02:18 PM
No...I wouldn't trade him.

Even if this third incident is true?? And if you still say "NO"...how many more would it take for you?? Just curious.

Huh? How are we supposed to know if this is true. So, if I say Ben raped me right now...does that make it a 4th? Dayum Ben is piling them up.

RuthlessBurgher
04-13-2010, 02:20 PM
No...I wouldn't trade him.

Even if this third incident is true?? And if you still say "NO"...how many more would it take for you?? Just curious.

Huh? How are we supposed to know if this is true. So, if I say Ben raped me right now...does that make it a 4th? Dayum Ben is piling them up.

Ben raped Shawn!

BEN RAPED SHAWN!!!

Someone call ESPN (or at least Florio and TMZ)

steelblood
04-13-2010, 02:22 PM
I'd trade him if we got a great return like 2 #1s from the Rams. I've never liked Ben personally, and now I will have trouble pulling for him. He has immense talent, but he is a horse's a$$.

papillon
04-13-2010, 02:31 PM
I'd trade him if we got a great return like 2 #1s from the Rams. I've never liked Ben personally, and now I will have trouble pulling for him. He has immense talent, but he is a horse's a$$.

Having to use the "$$" instead of esses is absolutely ironic (maybe) in this instance, if not ironic, it's certainly something I just can't think of the word right now. :P

Pappy

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
04-13-2010, 02:34 PM
No.....

But I would hire a babysitter type like the Cowboys did with Pacman and hope it works out better than that did.

RussBII
04-13-2010, 02:38 PM
No.....

But I would hire a babysitter type like the Cowboys did with Pacman and hope it works out better than that did.

Dangit! If Ben had a better 40 time we could trade him to the Raiders for Asomugha, their first rounder, Jamarcus' buffet credentials and maybe Michael Bush.

Steel Life
04-13-2010, 02:42 PM
No...I wouldn't trade him.

Even if this third incident is true?? And if you still say "NO"...how many more would it take for you?? Just curious.

Huh? How are we supposed to know if this is true. So, if I say Ben raped me right now...does that make it a 4th? Dayum Ben is piling them up.
Shawn is right...if this was true, why didn't it come out before when it would've been much more relevant? This looks more like piling on at this point with the media driving a "public conviction" in lieu of the GA DA not charging him. If there there isn't enough evidence to charge him, then don't create a situation where you essential convict him. The DA needed to say what was the driving factor in not bringing charges - she was so drunk from a night of drinking that she couldn't remember details, her story kept changing & there wasn't enough medical evidence to support her allegations.

It seems that a lynch mob mentality is developing here...he's not been charged with anything at any time, so let's let Goodell do what he wants & let Ben figure what he needs to do to get his act together.

Dee Dub
04-13-2010, 02:44 PM
No...I wouldn't trade him.

Even if this third incident is true?? And if you still say "NO"...how many more would it take for you?? Just curious.

Huh? How are we supposed to know if this is true. So, if I say Ben raped me right now...does that make it a 4th? Dayum Ben is piling them up.

You think Art Rooney II or Roger Goodell care whether it is true or not???

Shawn
04-13-2010, 02:49 PM
[quote=Shawn]No...I wouldn't trade him.

Even if this third incident is true?? And if you still say "NO"...how many more would it take for you?? Just curious.

Huh? How are we supposed to know if this is true. So, if I say Ben raped me right now...does that make it a 4th? Dayum Ben is piling them up.
Shawn is right...if this was true, why didn't it come out before when it would've been much more relevant? This looks more like piling on at this point with the media driving a "public conviction" in lieu of the GA DA not charging him. If there there isn't enough evidence to charge him, then don't create a situation where you essential convict him. The DA needed to say what was the driving factor in not bringing charges - she was so drunk from a night of drinking that she couldn't remember details, her story kept changing & there wasn't enough medical evidence to support her allegations.

It seems that a lynch mob mentality is developing here...he's not been charged with anything at any time, so let's let Goodell do what he wants & let Ben figure what he needs to do to get his act together.[/quote:2q5rrz5r]

Yeah, what I find odd is the lawyer waited until after the press conference. I mean very little information came out that we didn't already know. So, what new information came out that made the lawyer want to come foward? I think it's funny the lawyer would come out the day after so he wouldnt have to answer questions from the Georgia DA about these allegations.

Shawn
04-13-2010, 02:50 PM
[quote=Shawn]No...I wouldn't trade him.

Even if this third incident is true?? And if you still say "NO"...how many more would it take for you?? Just curious.

Huh? How are we supposed to know if this is true. So, if I say Ben raped me right now...does that make it a 4th? Dayum Ben is piling them up.

You think Art Rooney II or Roger Goodell care whether it is true or not???[/quote:39cxy7gt]

Hmm...let me think on that one. I'm going to have to go with a yes.

Steel Life
04-13-2010, 02:54 PM
[quote=Shawn]No...I wouldn't trade him.

Even if this third incident is true?? And if you still say "NO"...how many more would it take for you?? Just curious.

Huh? How are we supposed to know if this is true. So, if I say Ben raped me right now...does that make it a 4th? Dayum Ben is piling them up.
Shawn is right...if this was true, why didn't it come out before when it would've been much more relevant? This looks more like piling on at this point with the media driving a "public conviction" in lieu of the GA DA not charging him. If there there isn't enough evidence to charge him, then don't create a situation where you essential convict him. The DA needed to say what was the driving factor in not bringing charges - she was so drunk from a night of drinking that she couldn't remember details, her story kept changing & there wasn't enough medical evidence to support her allegations.

It seems that a lynch mob mentality is developing here...he's not been charged with anything at any time, so let's let Goodell do what he wants & let Ben figure what he needs to do to get his act together.

Yeah, what I find odd is the lawyer waited until after the press conference. I mean very little information came out that we didn't already know. So, what new information came out that made the lawyer want to come foward? I think it's funny the lawyer would come out the day after so he wouldnt have to answer questions from the Georgia DA about these allegations.[/quote:i89ve7m1]
I know this, this guy had better be right because if he just threw something out there to "pile on" & it isn't true then Ben would have every right to sue him for libel. In a best case scenario I hope that McNulty is proved to be a flake & gives Ben some relief.

flippy
04-13-2010, 03:03 PM
If we're gonna trade him, he's gotta be worth at least 3 #1s.

If we did have to trade him, we could get Suh and trade up for Berry and load up the defense.

Three #1's? Come on now, this is Ricky Williams and the Rams aren't run by Mike Ditka... :lol:

How many QBs are there in the league that have won 2 superbowls? I want better than a Herschel Walker trade.

BlackJackGold
04-13-2010, 03:03 PM
Just trying to get a pulse of this place about the Ben situation...so a little thought experiment.

If you were sitting in the Steelers FO and you had the opportunity right now to trade Ben to the Ram's for two first round picks (2010 and 2011) would you do it? For the purpose of this question, the decision is yours and yours alone. Assume that the offer is only valid for the next 30 minutes and after that it is gone forever.

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Personally, I would come down on the side of keeping him. But it would be very close decision.


He would be gone.

The rape stuff wouldn't even figure into it.

Just based on his medical history of multiple concusions he is only 2 away from having to retire anyway.

That could be as early as some point in this season, but more likely within the next two years.

papillon
04-13-2010, 03:05 PM
If we're gonna trade him, he's gotta be worth at least 3 #1s.

If we did have to trade him, we could get Suh and trade up for Berry and load up the defense.

Three #1's? Come on now, this is Ricky Williams and the Rams aren't run by Mike Ditka... :lol:

How many QBs are there in the league that have won 2 superbowls? I want better than a Herschel Walker trade.

Walker wasn't damaged goods. Ben is carrying baggage right now and a lot of it.

Pappy

steelblood
04-13-2010, 03:08 PM
I'd trade him if we got a great return like 2 #1s from the Rams. I've never liked Ben personally, and now I will have trouble pulling for him. He has immense talent, but he is a horse's a$$.

Having to use the "$$" instead of esses is absolutely ironic (maybe) in this instance, if not ironic, it's certainly something I just can't think of the word right now. :P

Pappy

Shhh, or the hall monitor will tell on me.

BlackJackGold
04-13-2010, 03:09 PM
I know this, this guy had better be right because if he just threw something out there to "pile on" & it isn't true then Ben would have every right to sue him for libel. In a best case scenario I hope that McNulty is proved to be a flake & gives Ben some relief.


Oh, ben could sue.

Surely there is some lawyer out there who will be happy to take the case.

He will never win a libel suit though.

To do so he has to prove that his reputation has been permanently damaged by the source of the statements.

He'll never be able to prove that.

The only person who has damaged ben's rep, is ben.

birtikidis
04-13-2010, 03:22 PM
not only that, but don't you think that the lawyer may decide to tell the girl that hey, details are gonna come out about your case anyway, so we should just go ahead and press charges...

pfelix73
04-13-2010, 03:57 PM
No trade. I'd stand by Ben and help him however I could as an employer.

Sugar
04-13-2010, 03:59 PM
No trade, no way. With Ben we are potential SB contenders. Without Ben we are potential playoff contenders.

ramblinjim
04-13-2010, 05:49 PM
No...I wouldn't trade him.

Even if this third incident is true?? And if you still say "NO"...how many more would it take for you?? Just curious.

Huh? How are we supposed to know if this is true. So, if I say Ben raped me right now...does that make it a 4th? Dayum Ben is piling them up.

Ben raped Shawn!

BEN RAPED SHAWN!!!

Someone call ESPN (or at least Florio and TMZ)


Shawn's a gold digger, and that skirt was short!! :Cheers
(it's been a long day, sorry Shawn)

Steel Life
04-13-2010, 06:25 PM
I know this, this guy had better be right because if he just threw something out there to "pile on" & it isn't true then Ben would have every right to sue him for libel. In a best case scenario I hope that McNulty is proved to be a flake & gives Ben some relief.
He's backpedaling fast from his comments isn't he?

papillon
04-13-2010, 07:08 PM
[quote="Steel Life":gr8n85zy]I know this, this guy had better be right because if he just threw something out there to "pile on" & it isn't true then Ben would have every right to sue him for libel. In a best case scenario I hope that McNulty is proved to be a flake & gives Ben some relief.
He's backpedaling fast from his comments isn't he?[/quote:gr8n85zy]

My guess is that one Mr. Ed Garland made a phone call and began asking questions about the statements made on the radio. Manion didn't like where it was headed as it was a very unprofessional response to a situation that he wasn't even involved with and Garland reminded him of such.

It may not have been illegal, but it was rather seedy since he wasn't really involved and no one asked for his opinion, particularly in a public forum. The horse is out of the barn; I'm sure Manion wishes he had kept his mouth shut at this point. I have to believe that the BAR association can't be thrilled with this type of behavior. Calling Phillyesq, calling Phillyesq... :lol:

Pappy

feltdizz
04-13-2010, 08:08 PM
I would NEVER trade Ben until he is Favre status...

Hire a body guard for him for a few years and restructure his contract guidelines.

grotonsteel
04-14-2010, 02:19 AM
No way I would trade Big Ben. He is the best player on the team right now. QBs don't grow on a tree and Steelers have a bad reputation as far as QB position goes. I don't want to wait for 26 years to see another Steelers SB victory.