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Jom112
04-13-2010, 11:22 AM
Boston attorney Harry Manion joined the Dennis & Callahan show Tuesday morning and said that he was recently involved in an investigation into an incident involving Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger that was similar to last month’s situation at a Georgia nightclub for which Roethlisberger faces a possible suspension from the NFL.

“Six months ago I was retained by a client of mine and a close friend to investigate allegations against Ben Roethlisberger in a Las Vegas nightclub that were absolutely identical to this Georgia girl’s story,” said Manion, a partner at the firm of Cooley Manion Jones, LLP and a frequent guest of WEEI. “The outcome was that the young woman did not want to proceed, and we did not take any action. There is a history here — and I can’t say any further because we never proceeded with it — but there is a history here that is just super troubling.”

The Georgia case marks the second time in a year that Roethlisberger has been accused of sexual misconduct. He also faces a lawsuit filed last year by a woman who says he raped her in 2008 at a Lake Tahoe hotel and casino, an allegation the quarterback denies. Roethlisberger has not been criminally charged in either case and has claimed counterdamages in the lawsuit.

Manion said this latest incident should be the wakeup call that finally gets Roethlisberger to clean up his act. “Unless he’s totally brain dead — and we don’t know — he would be scared,” Manion said. “Because he has really walked a perilous line here. There’s a whole litany here, not only my experience, I have connected with several other people that have experience. And you know, there’s only so far that he said/she said will get you. There’s only so far that paying hush money will get you, if hush money is paid. And there’s only so far that, ‘Gee, we’re celebrities, we have a target on our back,’ will get you. When you see this much smoke, month after month and continuously …”

Added Manion: “It’s the scene that he’s gotten himself caught up with, and the belief that he can walk, and so far, so good. But it’s hurting him. He’s hurt. He has been damaged. And the next one, the wrath of God’s going to come down on him, if there is a next one.”

To hear the interview, click on the Dennis & Callahan audio on demand page. Check back later this morning for a transcript.

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I was going to title it "Another Ben investigation" but I didn't want to alarm you guys. I figured "story" wouldn't raise your blood pressures too much... :lol:

papillon
04-13-2010, 11:26 AM
Maybe now we know why Natalie Gulbis and Missy Peregryn (sp?) aren't involved with Ben any longer they appear to require a bit more class.

I'm sure the Steelers know about this as well, provided it's true and it's not some 2 bit lawyer piling on while Ben's down.

Pappy

Jom112
04-13-2010, 11:30 AM
Maybe now we know why Natalie Gulbis and Missy Peregryn (sp?) aren't involved with Ben any longer they appear to require a bit more class.

I'm sure the Steelers know about this as well, provided it's true and it's not some 2 bit lawyer piling on while Ben's down.

Pappy

I googled the guy: http://www.cooleymanionjones.com/HarryManion.html

Here is something interesting in his experience:



For example, Mr. Manion has represented Sodexho, the world's largest food service provider, for over 20 years; was lead litigation counsel for the Pittsburgh Penguins in their Ch. 11 reorganization;


Assuming I googled the right guy... :lol:

NW Steeler
04-13-2010, 11:34 AM
Wow. This is getting ridiculous. Can Ben possibly be this big of a douche bag? I might be able to understand him having some spontaneous sex in a bathroom here and there, but is he forcing himself on all of these women? WTF?? How long before all the talking heads get a hold of this story?

papillon
04-13-2010, 11:34 AM
Maybe now we know why Natalie Gulbis and Missy Peregryn (sp?) aren't involved with Ben any longer they appear to require a bit more class.

I'm sure the Steelers know about this as well, provided it's true and it's not some 2 bit lawyer piling on while Ben's down.

Pappy

I googled the guy: http://www.cooleymanionjones.com/HarryManion.html

Here is something interesting in his experience:



For example, Mr. Manion has represented Sodexho, the world's largest food service provider, for over 20 years; was lead litigation counsel for the Pittsburgh Penguins in their Ch. 11 reorganization;


Assuming I googled the right guy... :lol:

I think you got it right JOM. I had faith in you the whole time. :P Still questioning your sanity though, since, even after spending time here with the Steeler faithful you insist on being a Bengals fan. :moon

:tt2 :tt2

Pappy

pfelix73
04-13-2010, 11:36 AM
Yep- there's another story getting ready to hit the airwaves-- Ed Buchette is just reporting they are mulling their options and that there is some talk now inside the organization that Dixon could lead the team- oh brother!

Hope this is not true.....

:tt1

NWNewell
04-13-2010, 11:37 AM
Quite frankly, at this point... it doesn't surprise me one bit.

Doesn't really change my stance either.

Ben still needs to be held accountable for his actions and disciplined (suspended for AT LEAST 2 games) AND some corrective action like mandatory counseling.

Though, as these stories pile up, I wouldn't be appalled if the Steelers dealt him away.

NW Steeler
04-13-2010, 11:39 AM
Yep- there's another story getting ready to hit the airwaves-- Ed Buchette is just reporting they are mulling their options and that there is some talk now inside the organization that Dixon could lead the team- oh brother!

Hope this is not true.....

:tt1

WHAT??? Wow. I'm starting to panic a bit here. I thought, along with most I think, that Ben had us set up to be contenders for the next decade. Now, his legacy is tarnished and if the Rooney's are giving up on him we are going to have to wait another 30 years to find a franchise QB.

Jom112
04-13-2010, 11:45 AM
I think you got it right JOM. I had faith in you the whole time. :P Still questioning your sanity though, since, even after spending time here with the Steeler faithful you insist on being a Bengals fan.

Pappy

For once that's looking like a smart move...

papillon
04-13-2010, 11:46 AM
Quite frankly, at this point... it doesn't surprise me one bit.

Doesn't really change my stance either.

Ben still needs to be held accountable for his actions and disciplined (suspended for AT LEAST 2 games) AND some corrective action like mandatory counseling.

Though, as these stories pile up, I wouldn't be applauded if the Steelers dealt him away.

I think you want "appalled" and not "applauded" in the above sentence. I'm fairly certain you wouldn't be applauded or cheered for in any way if Ben were traded, but you might be not be appalled either. :P

Pappy

NWNewell
04-13-2010, 11:52 AM
Quite frankly, at this point... it doesn't surprise me one bit.

Doesn't really change my stance either.

Ben still needs to be held accountable for his actions and disciplined (suspended for AT LEAST 2 games) AND some corrective action like mandatory counseling.

Though, as these stories pile up, I wouldn't be applauded if the Steelers dealt him away.

I think you want "appalled" and not "applauded" in the above sentence. I'm fairly certain you wouldn't be applauded or cheered for in any way if Ben were traded, but you might be not be appalled either. :P

Pappy

ah yes.... major typo.... not at all what I was trying to say.

Corrected. Thanks! :Cheers

ANPSTEEL
04-13-2010, 11:53 AM
Yep- there's another story getting ready to hit the airwaves-- Ed Buchette is just reporting they are mulling their options and that there is some talk now inside the organization that Dixon could lead the team- oh brother!

Hope this is not true.....

:tt1

where are you hearing this???

not doubting you- just want to hear it for myself-

If this is true- boy oh boy - Ben is effed. And so are the Steelers for that matter.

Reasoning: If more of these stories come out- not only does this indicate "pattern of behavior", and thus Ben is a lot more likely to be handed a lengthy suspension- but this greatly increases the chance of him losing the Civil suit pending in NV.

Second- If these further stories are real, Ben's trade value goes waaaaay down. In fact, if you have a ticking time bomb, sex predator, public scandal, league suspension - on your hands... I'd say his trade value becomes almost non existent.

Lets hope these stories turn out to be nothing more than crazy internet rumors.

papillon
04-13-2010, 12:01 PM
I think you got it right JOM. I had faith in you the whole time. :P Still questioning your sanity though, since, even after spending time here with the Steeler faithful you insist on being a Bengals fan.

Pappy

For once that's looking like a smart move...

Nice!

Pappy

Steelgal
04-13-2010, 12:03 PM
Yep- there's another story getting ready to hit the airwaves-- Ed Buchette is just reporting they are mulling their options and that there is some talk now inside the organization that Dixon could lead the team- oh brother!

Hope this is not true.....

:tt1

where are you hearing this???

not doubting you- just want to hear it for myself-

If this is true- boy oh boy - Ben is effed. And so are the Steelers for that matter.

Reasoning: If more of these stories come out- not only does this indicate "pattern of behavior", and thus Ben is a lot more likely to be handed a lengthy suspension- but this greatly increases the chance of him losing the Civil suit pending in NV.

Second- If these further stories are real, Ben's trade value goes waaaaay down. In fact, if you have a ticking time bomb, sex predator, public scandal, league suspension - on your hands... I'd say his trade value becomes almost non existent.

Lets hope these stories turn out to be nothing more than crazy internet rumors.

Got this off another Steeler message board


Written by Ed Bouchette
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:20 AM

We interupt this Mock Draft to bring you more bad news, at least the potential for some more bad news. An attorney spoke on well-known Boston sports talk radio station WEEI today and said he looked into similar allegations against Ben Roethlisberger in Las Vegas. The lawyer's name is Harry Manion.

"Six months ago I was retained by a client of mine and a close friend to investigate allegations against Ben Roethlisberger in a Las Vegas nightclub that were absolutely identical to this Georgia girl's story," said Manion, a partner at the firm of Cooley Manion Jones, LLP and a frequent guest of WEEI. "The outcome was that the young woman did not want to proceed, and we did not take any action. There is a history here -- and I can't say any further because we never proceeded with it -- but there is a history here that is just super troubling."

pfelix73
04-13-2010, 12:04 PM
Ed Buchette was just reporting it from the south side- he must have been in the offices yesterday during the PC in Ga. He was saying that Rooney was FURIOUS.

This younger Rooney I'm not so sure about. Hope he doesn't do something he'll regret later.

:tt1

ANPSTEEL
04-13-2010, 12:06 PM
Yep- there's another story getting ready to hit the airwaves-- Ed Buchette is just reporting they are mulling their options and that there is some talk now inside the organization that Dixon could lead the team- oh brother!

Hope this is not true.....

:tt1

where are you hearing this???

not doubting you- just want to hear it for myself-

If this is true- boy oh boy - Ben is effed. And so are the Steelers for that matter.

Reasoning: If more of these stories come out- not only does this indicate "pattern of behavior", and thus Ben is a lot more likely to be handed a lengthy suspension- but this greatly increases the chance of him losing the Civil suit pending in NV.

Second- If these further stories are real, Ben's trade value goes waaaaay down. In fact, if you have a ticking time bomb, sex predator, public scandal, league suspension - on your hands... I'd say his trade value becomes almost non existent.

Lets hope these stories turn out to be nothing more than crazy internet rumors.

Got this off another Steeler message board


Written by Ed Bouchette
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:20 AM

We interupt this Mock Draft to bring you more bad news, at least the potential for some more bad news. An attorney spoke on well-known Boston sports talk radio station WEEI today and said he looked into similar allegations against Ben Roethlisberger in Las Vegas. The lawyer's name is Harry Manion.

"Six months ago I was retained by a client of mine and a close friend to investigate allegations against Ben Roethlisberger in a Las Vegas nightclub that were absolutely identical to this Georgia girl's story," said Manion, a partner at the firm of Cooley Manion Jones, LLP and a frequent guest of WEEI. "The outcome was that the young woman did not want to proceed, and we did not take any action. There is a history here -- and I can't say any further because we never proceeded with it -- but there is a history here that is just super troubling."

Yeah, that came from the PG+.

Apparently it is hitting the airwaves all over now.

Also, apparently Stan & Guy are suggesting the Rams are offering 2 #1s for Ben.

If it is one this year and one next year- that is a good deal. No way do they want 3 # 1s in one draft. How would you ever sign them all????

Mister Pittsburgh
04-13-2010, 12:08 PM
maybe if they did go with dixon then we would get the running game going like we did in baltimore and the team would rally around dixon like they did for Ben when he took over for tommy gunn....

NW Steeler
04-13-2010, 12:14 PM
I think I need the "PUKE" emoticon right now....

NW Steeler
04-13-2010, 12:16 PM
If the Rams are offering 2 #1 's for Ben and this latest pile on allegation is true, I say we take them.

JAR
04-13-2010, 12:16 PM
If you rape someone, DNA is left behind. Where is all of the DNA to prove Ben a rapist? Why are these girls not pursuing these cases, except McNulty, but she is a proven whack job.

How many woman came out the the woodwork claiming they did Tiger too?

SteelAbility
04-13-2010, 12:18 PM
Hmmm ... this part is very troubling to me. The part in blue is very true.

“Unless he’s totally brain dead — and we don’t know — he would be scared,” Manion said. “Because he has really walked a perilous line here. There’s a whole litany here, not only my experience, I have connected with several other people that have experience. And you know, there’s only so far that he said/she said will get you. There’s only so far that paying hush money will get you, if hush money is paid. And there’s only so far that, ‘Gee, we’re celebrities, we have a target on our back,’ will get you. When you see this much smoke, month after month and continuously …”

Waiting to see if more comes out or if this is just some "tough guy" who only hits when the other guy is down.

phillyesq
04-13-2010, 12:20 PM
First story was easy to write-off as a crazy gold digger.

Second story was easy to write-off because of conflicting statements from a very drunk girl and a whole host of other factors.

Third story is getting harder to write-off. From quickly glancing at his resume, the lawyer from Boston looks very legit.

Hopefully more stories and accusations don't start popping up. This is just getting old.

ANPSTEEL
04-13-2010, 12:22 PM
If you rape someone, DNA is left behind. Where is all of the DNA to prove Ben a rapist? Why are these girls not pursuing these cases, except McNulty, but she is a proven whack job.

How many woman came out the the woodwork claiming they did Tiger too?


You are a loon-

Whatever happened between Tiger and the various series of skanks- it was quite obviously all consensual. That (his affairs) went on for years with NO allegations of criminal conduct.

Whatever it is that Ben is doing- clearly is not the same. Whether it be his actual physical conduct toward the women at the time of the incident, or his ****ty attitude towards them after the fact (buyers remorse) Ben has exhibited a very different behavioral pattern than Tiger Woods. Even if this new claim is BS.

SteelAbility
04-13-2010, 12:24 PM
If you rape someone, DNA is left behind. Where is all of the DNA to prove Ben a rapist? Why are these girls not pursuing these cases, except McNulty, but she is a proven whack job.

How many woman came out the the woodwork claiming they did Tiger too?

To play the devil's advocate, here are possible reasons they wouldn't pursue ...

1. Might not win. Burden of proof is too heavy and the Defense could easily make their life a living hell by digging up every little mistake they've made but that are totally unrelated to the case. They're out the money and the reputation with no result.

2. Hush money.

3. Inditimidation. They know that they'll start getting death threats from a certain segment of the fan base.

There's more. But that's a start.

RussBII
04-13-2010, 12:25 PM
So, when can we start with the sky is falling stuff?

Two #1s for Ben R? If this "new" accusation is even a smidgen true, and those #1s are really offered? You gotta pull the trigger and hope for the best...

snarky
04-13-2010, 12:26 PM
If you rape someone, DNA is left behind. Where is all of the DNA to prove Ben a rapist? Why are these girls not pursuing these cases, except McNulty, but she is a proven whack job.

Because women who claim rape by celebrities are often branded gold-diggers, whores and whack-jobs -- thus being humiliated a second time by the public at large.

phillyesq
04-13-2010, 12:26 PM
Yep- there's another story getting ready to hit the airwaves-- Ed Buchette is just reporting they are mulling their options and that there is some talk now inside the organization that Dixon could lead the team- oh brother!

Hope this is not true.....

:tt1

where are you hearing this???

not doubting you- just want to hear it for myself-

If this is true- boy oh boy - Ben is effed. And so are the Steelers for that matter.

Reasoning: If more of these stories come out- not only does this indicate "pattern of behavior", and thus Ben is a lot more likely to be handed a lengthy suspension- but this greatly increases the chance of him losing the Civil suit pending in NV.

Second- If these further stories are real, Ben's trade value goes waaaaay down. In fact, if you have a ticking time bomb, sex predator, public scandal, league suspension - on your hands... I'd say his trade value becomes almost non existent.

Lets hope these stories turn out to be nothing more than crazy internet rumors.

Got this off another Steeler message board


Written by Ed Bouchette
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:20 AM

We interupt this Mock Draft to bring you more bad news, at least the potential for some more bad news. An attorney spoke on well-known Boston sports talk radio station WEEI today and said he looked into similar allegations against Ben Roethlisberger in Las Vegas. The lawyer's name is Harry Manion.

"Six months ago I was retained by a client of mine and a close friend to investigate allegations against Ben Roethlisberger in a Las Vegas nightclub that were absolutely identical to this Georgia girl's story," said Manion, a partner at the firm of Cooley Manion Jones, LLP and a frequent guest of WEEI. "The outcome was that the young woman did not want to proceed, and we did not take any action. There is a history here -- and I can't say any further because we never proceeded with it -- but there is a history here that is just super troubling."

Yeah, that came from the PG+.

Apparently it is hitting the airwaves all over now.

Also, apparently Stan & Guy are suggesting the Rams are offering 2 #1s for Ben.

If it is one this year and one next year- that is a good deal. No way do they want 3 # 1s in one draft. How would you ever sign them all????

Stan & Guy? I thought they stopped doing their show together years ago?

If you asked me in February if I'd consider two #1s from the Rams, it would have been a no brainer -- I would have dismissed the idea without hesitation. Now, there is at least hesitation.

JAR
04-13-2010, 12:26 PM
Hmmm ... this part is very troubling to me. The part in blue is very true.

“Unless he’s totally brain dead — and we don’t know — he would be scared,” Manion said. “Because he has really walked a perilous line here. There’s a whole litany here, not only my experience, I have connected with several other people that have experience. And you know, there’s only so far that he said/she said will get you. There’s only so far that paying hush money will get you, if hush money is paid. And there’s only so far that, ‘Gee, we’re celebrities, we have a target on our back,’ will get you. When you see this much smoke, month after month and continuously …”

Waiting to see if more comes out or if this is just some "tough guy" who only hits when the other guy is down.

How many women out there don't want to have their rapist prosecuted? Why have two women who have accused Ben of assault/rape not wanted him to pay for scarring them for life? Why did Ben hire his own PI? Look at the statement from the Georgia girls letter. Really makes you go, hmmm.

"our client has had sound professional advice since this incident that participating in a public trial would not at all be in her best interest as she goes forward with her life."

JAR
04-13-2010, 12:28 PM
If you rape someone, DNA is left behind. Where is all of the DNA to prove Ben a rapist? Why are these girls not pursuing these cases, except McNulty, but she is a proven whack job.

How many woman came out the the woodwork claiming they did Tiger too?

To play the devil's advocate, here are possible reasons they wouldn't pursue ...

1. Might not win. Burden of proof is too heavy and the Defense could easily make their life a living hell by digging up every little mistake they've made but that are totally unrelated to the case. They're out the money and the reputation with no result.

2. Hush money.

3. Inditimidation. They know that they'll start getting death threats from a certain segment of the fan base.

There's more. But that's a start.

I can see once, but not three times. Please, rape is traumatic and most women want the rapist behind bars.

SteelAbility
04-13-2010, 12:30 PM
If you rape someone, DNA is left behind. Where is all of the DNA to prove Ben a rapist? Why are these girls not pursuing these cases, except McNulty, but she is a proven whack job.

How many woman came out the the woodwork claiming they did Tiger too?


You are a loon-

Whatever happened between Tiger and the various series of skanks- it was quite obviously all consensual. That (his affairs) went on for years with NO allegations of criminal conduct.

Whatever it is that Ben is doing- clearly is not the same. Whether it be his actual physical conduct toward the women at the time of the incident, or his ****ty attitude towards them after the fact (buyers remorse) Ben has exhibited a very different behavioral pattern than Tiger Woods. Even if this new claim is BS.

Very well stated.

Mister Pittsburgh
04-13-2010, 12:31 PM
If you rape someone, DNA is left behind. Where is all of the DNA to prove Ben a rapist? Why are these girls not pursuing these cases, except McNulty, but she is a proven whack job.

How many woman came out the the woodwork claiming they did Tiger too?

You ever hear of pulling out? DNA might be left behind on the floor....not on the girls.

SteelBucks
04-13-2010, 12:32 PM
Yep- there's another story getting ready to hit the airwaves-- Ed Buchette is just reporting they are mulling their options and that there is some talk now inside the organization that Dixon could lead the team- oh brother!

Hope this is not true.....

:tt1

where are you hearing this???

not doubting you- just want to hear it for myself-

If this is true- boy oh boy - Ben is effed. And so are the Steelers for that matter.

Reasoning: If more of these stories come out- not only does this indicate "pattern of behavior", and thus Ben is a lot more likely to be handed a lengthy suspension- but this greatly increases the chance of him losing the Civil suit pending in NV.

Second- If these further stories are real, Ben's trade value goes waaaaay down. In fact, if you have a ticking time bomb, sex predator, public scandal, league suspension - on your hands... I'd say his trade value becomes almost non existent.

Lets hope these stories turn out to be nothing more than crazy internet rumors.

Got this off another Steeler message board


Written by Ed Bouchette
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:20 AM

We interupt this Mock Draft to bring you more bad news, at least the potential for some more bad news. An attorney spoke on well-known Boston sports talk radio station WEEI today and said he looked into similar allegations against Ben Roethlisberger in Las Vegas. The lawyer's name is Harry Manion.

"Six months ago I was retained by a client of mine and a close friend to investigate allegations against Ben Roethlisberger in a Las Vegas nightclub that were absolutely identical to this Georgia girl's story," said Manion, a partner at the firm of Cooley Manion Jones, LLP and a frequent guest of WEEI. "The outcome was that the young woman did not want to proceed, and we did not take any action. There is a history here -- and I can't say any further because we never proceeded with it -- but there is a history here that is just super troubling."

Yeah, that came from the PG+.

Apparently it is hitting the airwaves all over now.

Also, apparently Stan & Guy are suggesting the Rams are offering 2 #1s for Ben.

If it is one this year and one next year- that is a good deal. No way do they want 3 # 1s in one draft. How would you ever sign them all????

Stan & Guy? I thought they stopped doing their show together years ago?



They do a show together on 1250 ESPN from 10-2. I listen on the internet when I can.

JAR
04-13-2010, 12:32 PM
If you rape someone, DNA is left behind. Where is all of the DNA to prove Ben a rapist? Why are these girls not pursuing these cases, except McNulty, but she is a proven whack job.

How many woman came out the the woodwork claiming they did Tiger too?


You are a loon-

Whatever happened between Tiger and the various series of skanks- it was quite obviously all consensual. That (his affairs) went on for years with NO allegations of criminal conduct.

Whatever it is that Ben is doing- clearly is not the same. Whether it be his actual physical conduct toward the women at the time of the incident, or his ****ty attitude towards them after the fact (buyers remorse) Ben has exhibited a very different behavioral pattern than Tiger Woods. Even if this new claim is BS.

Very well stated.

And the concrete evidence of this different behavioral pattern? Exactly, what has he done? What is the proof?

SteelAbility
04-13-2010, 12:34 PM
If you rape someone, DNA is left behind. Where is all of the DNA to prove Ben a rapist? Why are these girls not pursuing these cases, except McNulty, but she is a proven whack job.

How many woman came out the the woodwork claiming they did Tiger too?

To play the devil's advocate, here are possible reasons they wouldn't pursue ...

1. Might not win. Burden of proof is too heavy and the Defense could easily make their life a living hell by digging up every little mistake they've made but that are totally unrelated to the case. They're out the money and the reputation with no result.

2. Hush money.

3. Inditimidation. They know that they'll start getting death threats from a certain segment of the fan base.

There's more. But that's a start.

I can see once, but not three times. Please, rape is traumatic and most women want the rapist behind bars.

Two things

- BURDEN OF PROOF (this is the biggest deterrent)
- Different women and a sample set of 3. Same woman 3 times. You can rest assured it would be pursued.

If each woman has a 3/4 chance of not pursuing, then the odds of all three not pursuing is right around 43%, well within reason. If each has a 1/2 chance of not pursuing, then the odds of all three is right around 12.5%. Still within reason.

JAR
04-13-2010, 12:34 PM
If you rape someone, DNA is left behind. Where is all of the DNA to prove Ben a rapist? Why are these girls not pursuing these cases, except McNulty, but she is a proven whack job.

How many woman came out the the woodwork claiming they did Tiger too?

You ever hear of pulling out? DNA might be left behind on the floor....not on the girls.

That is not the only DNA left behind with rape. Skin cells, hair, blood,

_SteeL_CurtaiN_
04-13-2010, 12:35 PM
http://community.post-gazette.com/blogs/bobsmizik/archive/2010/04/13/possibly-more-trouble-for-big-ben.aspx#comments

This is UNREAL!!


By Bob Smizik | Tuesday 12:10 p.m

There could be more trouble ahead for Ben Roethlisberger.

Here's what a Boston attorney said on a Boston radio station this morning:

``Six months ago I was retained by a client of mine and a close friend to investigate allegations against Ben Roethlisberger in a Las Vegas nightclub that were absolutely identical to this Georgia girl’s story,” attorney Harry Manion, a partner at the firm of Cooley Manion Jones, LLP, said on radio station WEEI. ``The outcome was that the young woman did not want to proceed, and we did not take any action. There is a history here — and I can’t say any further because we never proceeded with it — but there is a history here that is just super troubling.”



There is a comment from a reader that claims Ed Bouchette says the Rams are willing to give up the #1 overall this year plus their first round pick next year. If true then thats a pretty tempting carrot, Ndamakong Suh anyone?

NW Steeler
04-13-2010, 12:37 PM
Well, he may have escaped the Georgia incident, but if these keep piling up, it makes it look really bad. Regardless of his perceived innocence, where there is smoke there is fire.

If the 2 #1's from the Rams is true, take them. Too bad we didn't know about this a couple of weeks ago, we could have traded for McNabb.

SteelAbility
04-13-2010, 12:38 PM
If you rape someone, DNA is left behind. Where is all of the DNA to prove Ben a rapist? Why are these girls not pursuing these cases, except McNulty, but she is a proven whack job.

How many woman came out the the woodwork claiming they did Tiger too?


You are a loon-

Whatever happened between Tiger and the various series of skanks- it was quite obviously all consensual. That (his affairs) went on for years with NO allegations of criminal conduct.

Whatever it is that Ben is doing- clearly is not the same. Whether it be his actual physical conduct toward the women at the time of the incident, or his ****ty attitude towards them after the fact (buyers remorse) Ben has exhibited a very different behavioral pattern than Tiger Woods. Even if this new claim is BS.

Very well stated.

And the concrete evidence of this different behavioral pattern? Exactly, what has he done? What is the proof?

You answered the question as to why pursuing the case has such difficulties.

The point is that Tiger has had MORE encounters and yet no claims of sexual misconduct. Yes. Your'e right there is no proof. But ... and I say, IF what this guy says is true and he's not just a coward beating on Ben when he's down ... there is room to give serious consideration and opening up the mind to the idea that there is a pattern of behavior.

PSU_dropout43
04-13-2010, 12:42 PM
do it.

and pick bradford.

NW Steeler
04-13-2010, 12:42 PM
Chicken Little here. I have a really bad feeling about this. I think Ben may be done in Pittsburgh. This is a freakin' nightmare.

NWNewell
04-13-2010, 12:42 PM
If you rape someone, DNA is left behind. Where is all of the DNA to prove Ben a rapist? Why are these girls not pursuing these cases, except McNulty, but she is a proven whack job.

How many woman came out the the woodwork claiming they did Tiger too?

To play the devil's advocate, here are possible reasons they wouldn't pursue ...

1. Might not win. Burden of proof is too heavy and the Defense could easily make their life a living hell by digging up every little mistake they've made but that are totally unrelated to the case. They're out the money and the reputation with no result.

2. Hush money.

3. Inditimidation. They know that they'll start getting death threats from a certain segment of the fan base.

There's more. But that's a start.

I can see once, but not three times. Please, rape is traumatic and most women want the rapist behind bars.

Two things

- BURDEN OF PROOF (this is the biggest deterrent)
- Different women and a sample set of 3. Same woman 3 times. You can rest assured it would be pursued.

If each woman has a 3/4 chance of not pursuing, then the odds of all three not pursuing is right around 43%, well within reason. If each has a 1/2 chance of not pursuing, then the odds of all three is right around 12.5%. Still within reason.

I too am a slow learner that bringing logic to an emotional discussion is a loosing battle.

I appalled the effort though! :Cheers

SteelAbility
04-13-2010, 12:45 PM
If you rape someone, DNA is left behind. Where is all of the DNA to prove Ben a rapist? Why are these girls not pursuing these cases, except McNulty, but she is a proven whack job.

How many woman came out the the woodwork claiming they did Tiger too?

To play the devil's advocate, here are possible reasons they wouldn't pursue ...

1. Might not win. Burden of proof is too heavy and the Defense could easily make their life a living hell by digging up every little mistake they've made but that are totally unrelated to the case. They're out the money and the reputation with no result.

2. Hush money.

3. Inditimidation. They know that they'll start getting death threats from a certain segment of the fan base.

There's more. But that's a start.

I can see once, but not three times. Please, rape is traumatic and most women want the rapist behind bars.

Two things

- BURDEN OF PROOF (this is the biggest deterrent)
- Different women and a sample set of 3. Same woman 3 times. You can rest assured it would be pursued.

If each woman has a 3/4 chance of not pursuing, then the odds of all three not pursuing is right around 43%, well within reason. If each has a 1/2 chance of not pursuing, then the odds of all three is right around 12.5%. Still within reason.

I too am a slow learner that bringing logic to an emotional discussion is a loosing battle.

I appalled the effort though! :Cheers


I am applaud by your comment. ;) :Cheers

JTP53609
04-13-2010, 12:46 PM
please do it....thanks for the super bowls, but enough is enough...

papillon
04-13-2010, 12:48 PM
Well, he may have escaped the Georgia incident, but if these keep piling up, it makes it look really bad. Regardless of his perceived innocence, where there is smoke there is fire.

If the 2 #1's from the Rams is true, take them. Too bad we didn't know about this a couple of weeks ago, we could have traded for McNabb.

My guess is that they did know about this when it happened, but want to give Ben the benefit of the doubt, because, they've signed up to pay him 100 million dollars (The money does have an effect on how you handle these situations.).

I'll wait and let this play out and see what happens. The incident (if there was one) that the Boston attorney is exposing was probably reported to the Steelers even if it didn't make the headlines.

Pappy

NW Steeler
04-13-2010, 12:49 PM
do it.

and pick bradford.

If it is true, I think it may happen. Not sure I want Bradford though.

birtikidis
04-13-2010, 12:49 PM
that's ridiculous.
are lawyers even allowed to disclose information like that?

papillon
04-13-2010, 12:52 PM
If you rape someone, DNA is left behind. Where is all of the DNA to prove Ben a rapist? Why are these girls not pursuing these cases, except McNulty, but she is a proven whack job.

How many woman came out the the woodwork claiming they did Tiger too?

To play the devil's advocate, here are possible reasons they wouldn't pursue ...

1. Might not win. Burden of proof is too heavy and the Defense could easily make their life a living hell by digging up every little mistake they've made but that are totally unrelated to the case. They're out the money and the reputation with no result.

2. Hush money.

3. Inditimidation. They know that they'll start getting death threats from a certain segment of the fan base.

There's more. But that's a start.

I can see once, but not three times. Please, rape is traumatic and most women want the rapist behind bars.

Two things

- BURDEN OF PROOF (this is the biggest deterrent)
- Different women and a sample set of 3. Same woman 3 times. You can rest assured it would be pursued.

If each woman has a 3/4 chance of not pursuing, then the odds of all three not pursuing is right around 43%, well within reason. If each has a 1/2 chance of not pursuing, then the odds of all three is right around 12.5%. Still within reason.

I too am a slow learner that bringing logic to an emotional discussion is a loosing battle.

I appalled the effort though! :Cheers

http://www.pittsburghsportstavern.com/forum/images/smilies/roflmao.gif

Pappy

papillon
04-13-2010, 12:53 PM
that's ridiculous.
are lawyers even allowed to disclose information like that?

That's seems to be a breach of confidentiality in my mind. Calling Phillyesq, calling Phillesq...

Pappy

JAR
04-13-2010, 12:54 PM
Waiting a month for this story to pan out, and then coming out and saying "we had a case exactly like this too, but didn't pursue it." is just piling on.

NWNewell
04-13-2010, 12:56 PM
I can see once, but not three times. Please, rape is traumatic and most women want the rapist behind bars.

Two things

- BURDEN OF PROOF (this is the biggest deterrent)
- Different women and a sample set of 3. Same woman 3 times. You can rest assured it would be pursued.

If each woman has a 3/4 chance of not pursuing, then the odds of all three not pursuing is right around 43%, well within reason. If each has a 1/2 chance of not pursuing, then the odds of all three is right around 12.5%. Still within reason.

I too am a slow learner that bringing logic to an emotional discussion is a loosing battle.

I appalled the effort though! :Cheers

http://www.pittsburghsportstavern.com/forum/images/smilies/roflmao.gif

Pappy

:moon

I almost highlighted it myself, but wasn't sure how many would get it.

:tt2

snarky
04-13-2010, 12:57 PM
Well, it certainly isn't a breach if she gave him permission to discuss it. But still, it would be nice to hear from phiily esq

JAR
04-13-2010, 12:58 PM
From another board, but just think about it with an open mind. Since they can't seem to prosecute Ben as being a rapist and accusers are dropping cases, could it be? McNulty's lawyer is rumored to be a slimeball.

Here's the post....

The conspiracy theorist in me desperately wants to believe that McNutty's lawyer is behind this... setting up Roeth for a series of reports and charges that essentially destroy him in the public eye and get McNutty a HUGE payday in court.

A part of Georgia girl's letter that stuck out to me was the following Could that be because a full-on investigation and trial would expose that a plan was put in place by the Sorority sisters to extort Roethlisberger, possibly at the encouragement of an unnamed lawyer in Nevada?

NWNewell
04-13-2010, 12:59 PM
that's ridiculous.
are lawyers even allowed to disclose information like that?

That's seems to be a breach of confidentiality in my mind. Calling Phillyesq, calling Phillesq...

Pappy

He didn't appear to name names or disclose specifics.

But lets call it unprofessional.... especially since it's detrimental to my team's qb.

birtikidis
04-13-2010, 12:59 PM
If you rape someone, DNA is left behind. Where is all of the DNA to prove Ben a rapist? Why are these girls not pursuing these cases, except McNulty, but she is a proven whack job.

How many woman came out the the woodwork claiming they did Tiger too?


You are a loon-

Whatever happened between Tiger and the various series of skanks- it was quite obviously all consensual. That (his affairs) went on for years with NO allegations of criminal conduct.

Whatever it is that Ben is doing- clearly is not the same. Whether it be his actual physical conduct toward the women at the time of the incident, or his ****ty attitude towards them after the fact (buyers remorse) Ben has exhibited a very different behavioral pattern than Tiger Woods. Even if this new claim is BS.
clearly the sex ben has had is non-consensual, that's why the whack job in Vegas bragged about having sex with him. and the soroslut in GA had to have all the other sorosluts in her sorority pull their facebook/myspace pages down. In this day and age, everyone thinks they can get rich quick from lawsuits. that's all this is. Ben is just too much of a knucklehead to realize that he puts himself in position for lawsuits.

NW Steeler
04-13-2010, 01:00 PM
Well, if it is a smear campaign it is certainly working.

steelblood
04-13-2010, 01:01 PM
This is absolutely piling on. It is a radio show and he needs to have something to talk about. That said, it still isn't good. Ben's reputation is shot. I think it is unlikely, but I would not be surprised if our FO had some preliminary trade discussions regarding Ben.

snarky
04-13-2010, 01:01 PM
From another board, but just think about it with an open mind. Since they can't seem to prosecute Ben as being a rapist and accusers are dropping cases, could it be? McNulty's lawyer is rumored to be a slimeball.

Here's the post....

The conspiracy theorist in me desperately wants to believe that McNutty's lawyer is behind this... setting up Roeth for a series of reports and charges that essentially destroy him in the public eye and get McNutty a HUGE payday in court.

A part of Georgia girl's letter that stuck out to me was the following Could that be because a full-on investigation and trial would expose that a plan was put in place by the Sorority sisters to extort Roethlisberger, possibly at the encouragement of an unnamed lawyer in Nevada?

How exactly would McNulty's attorney have known Ben would be in Georgia that night? Or does he have some massive network of sexbots around the country just waiting to interact with Ben?

Do you know when most people start looking at conspiracy theories? When the truth that is staring them in the face is too painful to accept.

sd steel
04-13-2010, 01:03 PM
How exactly would McNulty's attorney have known Ben would be in Georgia that night? Or does he have some massive network of sexbots around the country just waiting to interact with Ben?

Do you know when most people start looking at conspiracy theories? When the truth that is staring them in the face is too painful to accept.
:Agree :Clap

birtikidis
04-13-2010, 01:03 PM
If you rape someone, DNA is left behind. Where is all of the DNA to prove Ben a rapist? Why are these girls not pursuing these cases, except McNulty, but she is a proven whack job.

How many woman came out the the woodwork claiming they did Tiger too?


You are a loon-

Whatever happened between Tiger and the various series of skanks- it was quite obviously all consensual. That (his affairs) went on for years with NO allegations of criminal conduct.

Whatever it is that Ben is doing- clearly is not the same. Whether it be his actual physical conduct toward the women at the time of the incident, or his ****ty attitude towards them after the fact (buyers remorse) Ben has exhibited a very different behavioral pattern than Tiger Woods. Even if this new claim is BS.

Very well stated.

And the concrete evidence of this different behavioral pattern? Exactly, what has he done? What is the proof?

You answered the question as to why pursuing the case has such difficulties.

The point is that Tiger has had MORE encounters and yet no claims of sexual misconduct. Yes. Your'e right there is no proof. But ... and I say, IF what this guy says is true and he's not just a coward beating on Ben when he's down ... there is room to give serious consideration and opening up the mind to the idea that there is a pattern of behavior.
but the reports on tiger were that he was also lavishing them with gifts the whole time. it's easy to say that it was consensual when homeboy is throwing money at you like a crazy man. All ben wanted was for the b!tches to take his shots and screw in the bathroom.

NWNewell
04-13-2010, 01:05 PM
How exactly would McNulty's attorney have known Ben would be in Georgia that night? Or does he have some massive network of sexbots around the country just waiting to interact with Ben?

Do you know when most people start looking at conspiracy theories? When the truth that is staring them in the face is too painful to accept.
:Agree :Clap
:owned

birtikidis
04-13-2010, 01:05 PM
I want a massive army of sexbots :(

JAR
04-13-2010, 01:07 PM
From another board, but just think about it with an open mind. Since they can't seem to prosecute Ben as being a rapist and accusers are dropping cases, could it be? McNulty's lawyer is rumored to be a slimeball.

Here's the post....

The conspiracy theorist in me desperately wants to believe that McNutty's lawyer is behind this... setting up Roeth for a series of reports and charges that essentially destroy him in the public eye and get McNutty a HUGE payday in court.

A part of Georgia girl's letter that stuck out to me was the following Could that be because a full-on investigation and trial would expose that a plan was put in place by the Sorority sisters to extort Roethlisberger, possibly at the encouragement of an unnamed lawyer in Nevada?

How exactly would McNulty's attorney have known Ben would be in Georgia that night? Or does he have some massive network of sexbots around the country just waiting to interact with Ben?

Do you know when most people start looking at conspiracy theories? When the truth that is staring them in the face is too painful to accept.

Probably true snarky, (maybe Colon is in on it, just kidding!) But until Ben is convicted of a crime, I have to side with him and not the girls who don't even have enough guts to pursue the allegations that they are charging Ben with.

snarky
04-13-2010, 01:21 PM
Probably true snarky, (maybe Colon is in on it, just kidding!) But until Ben is convicted of a crime, I have to side with him and not the girls who don't even have enough guts to pursue the allegations that they are charging Ben with.

Well, one thing I've noticed is that it has been getting a bit acrimonious around here the last few days and that is unfortunate. I've probably contributed to that as well. But I think we all want what is best for the Steelers. I don't doubt anyone on this board in that regard (except our resident Bengals fan :lol: :lol: ).

But I'll tell you something. I've had two women tell me about being raped. The first, I lived with for three years and I became very familiar with the trauma and stress that endured for years afterward. Rape is not like burglary or fraud or even murder. Rape is the only crime where the victim is likely to be blamed for her actions in court.And don't think women don't know this and aren't advised of this before they proceed with criminal charges. Hell, even in this forum, I've seen this girl in Georgia referred to as a slut, a drunk, and a gold-digger (probably other names too). Now maybe those would be fair statements if anyone on this forum actually knew her. But nobody does.

So based on what I know from my own experiences, I don't attach a whole lot of meaning to whether or not these women chose to pursue criminal charges against Ben. I don't think that indicates what actually happened.

Now, it's true that in a criminal sense deserves the presumption of innocence but individuals can and will arrive at different opinions about all this. For me, depending on this third allegation I might be ready to agree (not that agreement from me is needed) to pull the trigger on that Rams trade that is being discussed.

Shawn
04-13-2010, 01:31 PM
I want a massive army of sexbots :(

Now that's funny.

:lol:

Steelgal
04-13-2010, 01:32 PM
News flash

*Watch your mail for flyers stating, if you too had unconsentual sex with Ben Roethlisberger, please call our law offices at 1-800-SueBigBen and an attorney will handle your claim right away*

I KNOW this isn't a joking matter, but seriously what's next :wft

JAR
04-13-2010, 01:32 PM
I want a massive army of sexbots :(


http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/05/fembots.jpg

NW Steeler
04-13-2010, 01:34 PM
Thanks for lightening the mood!

phillyesq
04-13-2010, 01:37 PM
that's ridiculous.
are lawyers even allowed to disclose information like that?

That's seems to be a breach of confidentiality in my mind. Calling Phillyesq, calling Phillesq...

Pappy

The attorney client privilege prevents the lawyer from disclosing any facts that were disclosed to him by his client. He can only disclose that information if the client agrees. The privilege does not prevent him from discussing generalities about a case.

He didn't disclose any privileged information, so technically he didn't do anything wrong. To even mention the accusations was dumb and unprofessional -- he opened himself up to a potential defamation suit, and he perhaps opened his client up to getting dragged into the Nevada suit.

snarky
04-13-2010, 01:38 PM
If this truly is pattern, what's next is possibly a blast from the past. I am not going to be entirely surprised if somebody from his college days steps forward. I hope it doesn't happen, but like I said I won't be surprised.

JAR
04-13-2010, 01:40 PM
Probably true snarky, (maybe Colon is in on it, just kidding!) But until Ben is convicted of a crime, I have to side with him and not the girls who don't even have enough guts to pursue the allegations that they are charging Ben with.

Well, one thing I've noticed is that it has been getting a bit acrimonious around here the last few days and that is unfortunate. I've probably contributed to that as well. But I think we all want what is best for the Steelers. I don't doubt anyone on this board in that regard (except our resident Bengals fan :lol: :lol: ).

But I'll tell you something. I've had two women tell me about being raped. The first, I lived with for three years and I became very familiar with the trauma and stress that endured for years afterward. Rape is not like burglary or fraud or even murder. Rape is the only crime where the victim is likely to be blamed for her actions in court.And don't think women don't know this and aren't advised of this before they proceed with criminal charges. Hell, even in this forum, I've seen this girl in Georgia referred to as a slut, a drunk, and a gold-digger (probably other names too). Now maybe those would be fair statements if anyone on this forum actually knew her. But nobody does.

So based on what I know from my own experiences, I don't attach a whole lot of meaning to whether or not these women chose to pursue criminal charges against Ben. I don't think that indicates what actually happened.

Now, it's true that in a criminal sense deserves the presumption of innocence but individuals can and will arrive at different opinions about all this. For me, depending on this third allegation I might be ready to agree (not that agreement from me is needed) to pull the trigger on that Rams trade that is being discussed.

I agree, a lot of woman just close the door after being raped. But to encounter three women, none of which want to pursue any criminal charges is pretty incredible.

Djfan
04-13-2010, 01:42 PM
IF the Reno thing was PROVEN true (this can be hard to do), and IF the Georgia thing was PROVEN true (still not easy), and IF this third thing were proven true (see a pattern here?), I am for it.

As is stands, some unprofessional attorney, some very drunk underaged girl, and some girl who has virtual affairs with non-existent soldiers and brags about a fling, are blaming Ben.

Where there's smoke there's fire, right? Often, but you have to be sure of the smoke.

Right now any girl can stand up and accuse him because anyone is willing to believe it.

I say to the new attorney "Stand up and give the facts as best you know them, or shut up. You're no different from a middle school girl who got bitter over getting dumped for the cheer leader to me based on the way you handled it."

If you have ever been accused and tried and convicted in the court of public opinion based on "she told me that, he went with them and then they told her that he might have...." IT SUCKS!!!

So, I will NEVER be a part of something that impacts a man's reputation based on rumor and the like (unless it's a Bengal we're talking about!).

That's just me.

papillon
04-13-2010, 01:43 PM
If you rape someone, DNA is left behind. Where is all of the DNA to prove Ben a rapist? Why are these girls not pursuing these cases, except McNulty, but she is a proven whack job.

How many woman came out the the woodwork claiming they did Tiger too?


You are a loon-

Whatever happened between Tiger and the various series of skanks- it was quite obviously all consensual. That (his affairs) went on for years with NO allegations of criminal conduct.

Whatever it is that Ben is doing- clearly is not the same. Whether it be his actual physical conduct toward the women at the time of the incident, or his ****ty attitude towards them after the fact (buyers remorse) Ben has exhibited a very different behavioral pattern than Tiger Woods. Even if this new claim is BS.
clearly the sex ben has had is non-consensual, that's why the whack job in Vegas bragged about having sex with him. and the soroslut in GA had to have all the other sorosluts in her sorority pull their facebook/myspace pages down. In this day and age, everyone thinks they can get rich quick from lawsuits. that's all this is. Ben is just too much of a knucklehead to realize that he puts himself in position for lawsuits.

This may be best case scenario for him right now.

Pappy

NW Steeler
04-13-2010, 01:45 PM
And I hope that is what is really going on here.

papillon
04-13-2010, 01:46 PM
that's ridiculous.
are lawyers even allowed to disclose information like that?

That's seems to be a breach of confidentiality in my mind. Calling Phillyesq, calling Phillesq...

Pappy

The attorney client privilege prevents the lawyer from disclosing any facts that were disclosed to him by his client. He can only disclose that information if the client agrees. The privilege does not prevent him from discussing generalities about a case.

He didn't disclose any privileged information, so technically he didn't do anything wrong. To even mention the accusations was dumb and unprofessional -- he opened himself up to a potential defamation suit, and he perhaps opened his client up to getting dragged into the Nevada suit.

I suspected it wasn't illegal, but it was unsavory at best to even provide the detail that was given about a six month old case where no charges were filed. Evidently, he's a well respected lawyer as well, he did work for the Penguins during their bankruptcy proceedings.

I wonder if he's a Pats fan and saw a chance to pile on? This gets curiouser and curiouser by the hour.

Pappy

birtikidis
04-13-2010, 01:47 PM
I don't see anything coming out of Ohio. christ people were complaining that he had the what would jesus do? plastered all over the place. IMO, ben is a very Naive, overly trusting guy who gets put in these situations because he doesn't believe that it'd ever happen the way it does.

snarky
04-13-2010, 01:47 PM
I agree, a lot of woman just close the door after being raped. But to encounter three women, none of which want to pursue any criminal charges is pretty incredible.

I don't think it's all that crazy.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/ovc/ncvrw/2005/pg5o.html

A recently published eight-year study indicates that when perpetrators of completed rape are current or former husbands or boyfriends, the crimes go unreported to the police 77 percent of the time. When the perpetrators are friends or acquaintances, the rapes go unreported 61 percent of the time. When the perpetrators are strangers, the rapes go unreported 54 percent of the time. (Ibid.)

Even with the low ball 54%, there is a 15.7% chance that all three would go unreported. And given that the alleged incident in Georgia was reported (just not pursued criminally) I don't think it means anything at all.

birtikidis
04-13-2010, 01:51 PM
IF the Reno thing was PROVEN true (this can be hard to do), and IF the Georgia thing was PROVEN true (still not easy), and IF this third thing were proven true (see a pattern here?), I am for it.

As is stands, some unprofessional attorney, some very drunk underaged girl, and some girl who has virtual affairs with non-existent soldiers and brags about a fling, are blaming Ben.

Where there's smoke there's fire, right? Often, but you have to be sure of the smoke.

Right now any girl can stand up and accuse him because anyone is willing to believe it.

I say to the new attorney "Stand up and give the facts as best you know them, or shut up. You're no different from a middle school girl who got bitter over getting dumped for the cheer leader to me based on the way you handled it."

If you have ever been accused and tried and convicted in the court of public opinion based on "she told me that, he went with them and then they told her that he might have...." IT SUCKS!!!

So, I will NEVER be a part of something that impacts a man's reputation based on rumor and the like (unless it's a Bengal we're talking about!).

That's just me.
Well said.
this Boston attorney is a real bag of sh!t

SteelAbility
04-13-2010, 01:55 PM
I don't see anything coming out of Ohio. christ people were complaining that he had the what would jesus do? plastered all over the place. IMO, ben is a very Naive, overly trusting guy who puts himself in these situations because he doesn't believe that it'd ever happen the way it does.

Corrected it for you there.

SteelAbility
04-13-2010, 01:57 PM
This COULD be piling on. This is not CLEARLY piling on. To quote the same arguments made "Where is the PROOF that this is piling on?"

SteelAbility
04-13-2010, 02:02 PM
How exactly would McNulty's attorney have known Ben would be in Georgia that night? Or does he have some massive network of sexbots around the country just waiting to interact with Ben?

Do you know when most people start looking at conspiracy theories? When the truth that is staring them in the face is too painful to accept.
:Agree :Clap

x3

I would have preferred sexbot smear campaign infrastructure myself. ;)

SteelAbility
04-13-2010, 02:05 PM
I agree, a lot of woman just close the door after being raped. But to encounter three women, none of which want to pursue any criminal charges is pretty incredible.

I don't think it's all that crazy.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/ovc/ncvrw/2005/pg5o.html

A recently published eight-year study indicates that when perpetrators of completed rape are current or former husbands or boyfriends, the crimes go unreported to the police 77 percent of the time. When the perpetrators are friends or acquaintances, the rapes go unreported 61 percent of the time. When the perpetrators are strangers, the rapes go unreported 54 percent of the time. (Ibid.)

Even with the low ball 54%, there is a 15.7% chance that all three would go unreported. And given that the alleged incident in Georgia was reported (just not pursued criminally) I don't think it means anything at all.


Let me guess 0.54 to the power 3 is 0.157? Great minds think alike. :Cheers I too tried the "reasonable probability" argument. Alas to no avail. I made a WAG, based on a 50-50 probability of pursual, resulting in 12.5%, which isn't too far off from 15.7%. But we know 10-15% is "off-the-charts low" right?

Jom112
04-13-2010, 02:10 PM
For people wondering about the timing. Maybe the lawyer sat back and waited to hear what the D.A. said in Georgia. After listening to the detail that the D.A. went into, he realized that it was very similar to the case he had in Vegas and decided to speak out about it.

Why speak out? Publicity, maybe? Could be a Patriots fan? Or maybe to let young girls know to avoid the guy? Maybe a mix of those reasons and more.

Who knows...

SteelAbility
04-13-2010, 02:19 PM
For people wondering about the timing. Maybe the lawyer sat back and waited to hear what the D.A. said in Georgia. After listening to the detail that the D.A. went into, he realized that it was very similar to the case he had in Vegas and decided to speak out about it.

Why speak out? Publicity, maybe? Could be a Patriots fan? Or maybe to let young girls know to avoid the guy? Maybe a mix of those reasons and more.

Who knows...

Good post. More reasonable scenarios to consider.

birtikidis
04-13-2010, 02:55 PM
For people wondering about the timing. Maybe the lawyer sat back and waited to hear what the D.A. said in Georgia. After listening to the detail that the D.A. went into, he realized that it was very similar to the case he had in Vegas and decided to speak out about it.

Why speak out? Publicity, maybe? Could be a Patriots fan? Or maybe to let young girls know to avoid the guy? Maybe a mix of those reasons and more.

Who knows...

Good post. More reasonable scenarios to consider.
so the attorney was waiting to hear from a case in GA that hadn't happened yet before he decided how to proceed with his own case?

papillon
04-13-2010, 03:03 PM
For people wondering about the timing. Maybe the lawyer sat back and waited to hear what the D.A. said in Georgia. After listening to the detail that the D.A. went into, he realized that it was very similar to the case he had in Vegas and decided to speak out about it.

Why speak out? Publicity, maybe? Could be a Patriots fan? Or maybe to let young girls know to avoid the guy? Maybe a mix of those reasons and more.

Who knows...

Good post. More reasonable scenarios to consider.
so the attorney was waiting to hear from a case in GA that hadn't happened yet before he decided how to proceed with his own case?

No, I read it as, Ben fed a girl drinks, got her drunk, then tried to take advantage of her, she then decided that she didn't want to go through with the sex part, she reported something and hired an attorney, but it was determined that there wasn't enough evidence to proceed or the girl didn't want to be dragged through the mud and dropped the charges.

According to the attorney it happened 6 months ago.

Pappy

birtikidis
04-13-2010, 03:06 PM
For people wondering about the timing. Maybe the lawyer sat back and waited to hear what the D.A. said in Georgia. After listening to the detail that the D.A. went into, he realized that it was very similar to the case he had in Vegas and decided to speak out about it.

Why speak out? Publicity, maybe? Could be a Patriots fan? Or maybe to let young girls know to avoid the guy? Maybe a mix of those reasons and more.

Who knows...

Good post. More reasonable scenarios to consider.
so the attorney was waiting to hear from a case in GA that hadn't happened yet before he decided how to proceed with his own case?

No, I read it as, Ben fed a girl drinks, got her drunk, then tried to take advantage of her, she then decided that she didn't want to go through with the sex part, she reported something and hired an attorney, but it was determined that there wasn't enough evidence to proceed or the girl didn't want to be dragged through the mud and dropped the charges.

According to the attorney it happened 6 months ago.

Pappy
yea, he said that the boston attorney was going to wait to see what happened in GA. even though the case in Boston was from 6 months ago and the case in GA isn't even 2 months old yet. so, the poster was saying that the attorney in Boston was waiting to see what happened in a case that hadn't actually happened yet.

papillon
04-13-2010, 03:08 PM
For people wondering about the timing. Maybe the lawyer sat back and waited to hear what the D.A. said in Georgia. After listening to the detail that the D.A. went into, he realized that it was very similar to the case he had in Vegas and decided to speak out about it.

Why speak out? Publicity, maybe? Could be a Patriots fan? Or maybe to let young girls know to avoid the guy? Maybe a mix of those reasons and more.

Who knows...

Good post. More reasonable scenarios to consider.
so the attorney was waiting to hear from a case in GA that hadn't happened yet before he decided how to proceed with his own case?

No, I read it as, Ben fed a girl drinks, got her drunk, then tried to take advantage of her, she then decided that she didn't want to go through with the sex part, she reported something and hired an attorney, but it was determined that there wasn't enough evidence to proceed or the girl didn't want to be dragged through the mud and dropped the charges.

According to the attorney it happened 6 months ago.

Pappy
yea, he said that the boston attorney was going to wait to see what happened in GA. even though the case in Boston was from 6 months ago and the case in GA isn't even 2 months old yet. so, the poster was saying that the attorney in Boston was waiting to see what happened in a case that hadn't actually happened yet.

I can only assume (I know, I know) that they meant once the events of March 4th or 5th unfolded he was waiting to see what happened and not actually prior to the incident.

Pappy

birtikidis
04-13-2010, 03:10 PM
yea, I'm just fockering with you. I'm sure the poster just worded it wrong... sorry, my sense of humor has a very difficult transition to message boards. oh well, I thought it was funny. and that's good enough for me!

skyhawk
04-13-2010, 03:11 PM
OMG, does any else out there just feel downright sick to their stomachs?

skyhawk
04-13-2010, 03:15 PM
and geez guys, are ANY of you guys working today? :Cheers

Tomlinator
04-13-2010, 03:25 PM
Really unprofessional move on the part of this lawyer. Onthe other hand, Ben set himself up for any yahoo to crawl out from a rock and sling mud - which in the court of public opinion - is going to stick, proof or no proof.

If this was 6 months ago it was in the middle of the season. I know these guys sometimes jet around for a quick day trip, but this seems unusual to be across the country in the middle of the season. I wonder if this was the bye week.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
04-13-2010, 03:29 PM
From another thread I posted:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=11418&start=15 (http://www.planetsteelers.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=11418&start=15)

Is Manion covering his a$$ now?

http://audio.weei.com/m/30281933/harry- ... -jones.htm


Tue, 13 Apr 2010

Manion joins D&C to break some news on the Ben Roethlisberger case. Mr. Manion has no comments to add to those he made on the Dennis & Callahan radio show this morning regarding his brief involvement in a matter concerning Mr. Roethlisberger, which he disclosed prior to providing his legal analysis of the Georgia investigation as a legal commentator for WEEI, except to clarify by saying that the only similarities between the two situations of which Mr. Manion is aware is that they both involve a young woman and a nightclub. Mr. Manion did not mean to express or imply that he has any information that Mr. Roethlisberger engaged in any illegal behavior. All other information, apart from Mr. Manion being retained, is confidential.

SteelAbility
04-13-2010, 03:45 PM
I'd be interested to know what things were "almost identical." If that "almost identical" involves the alleged victims getting drunk on alcohol purchased by Ben, it really does not look good. It leaves the possibility of Ben getting the girls too drunk to give a coherent witness or testimony as a strong one.

JAR
04-13-2010, 03:46 PM
From another thread I posted:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=11418&start=15 (http://www.planetsteelers.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=11418&start=15)

Is Manion covering his a$$ now?

http://audio.weei.com/m/30281933/harry- ... -jones.htm


Tue, 13 Apr 2010

Manion joins D&C to break some news on the Ben Roethlisberger case. Mr. Manion has no comments to add to those he made on the Dennis & Callahan radio show this morning regarding his brief involvement in a matter concerning Mr. Roethlisberger, which he disclosed prior to providing his legal analysis of the Georgia investigation as a legal commentator for WEEI, except to clarify by saying that the only similarities between the two situations of which Mr. Manion is aware is that they both involve a young woman and a nightclub. Mr. Manion did not mean to express or imply that he has any information that Mr. Roethlisberger engaged in any illegal behavior. All other information, apart from Mr. Manion being retained, is confidential.

Like i said earlier, more crap and piling on. It looks like Manion is now trying to avoid a defamation suit.

BradshawsHairdresser
04-13-2010, 03:52 PM
:HeadBanger :HeadBanger :HeadBanger
Is Ben auditioning for the lead role in the new "Predator" movie?

:HeadBanger :HeadBanger :HeadBanger
I'm with the OP...if the Rams are offering two #1's, TAKE the deal!

JAR
04-13-2010, 05:24 PM
Piling on, like I said.

Boston Lawyer Harry Manion Clarifies Statements About Ben Roethlisberger

Ben Roethlisberger avoided charges in Georgia on Monday, but a Boston lawyer opened up a whole new can of worms Tuesday.

The lawyer, Harry Manion, called into WEEI's Dennis and Callahan Show and said that he was hired to investigate allegations that the quarterback was involved in a situation "in a Las Vegas nightclub that [was] absolutely identical to this Georgia girl's story."

"There is a history here -- and I can't say any further because we never proceeded with it -- but there is a history here that is just super troubling," Manion, a partner at Cooley Manion Jones LLP, told WEEI.

Later in the day, however, Manion clarified his statements, saying that "the only similarities between the two situations ... is that they both involve a young woman and a nightclub."

"Mr. Manion did not mean to express or imply that he has any information that Mr. Roethlisberger engaged in any illegal behavior," the statement said. "All other information, apart from Mr. Manion being retained, is confidential."

The added allegations come just one day after the district attorney in Milledgeville, Ga., determined that there would be no charges filed against Roethlisberger for sexual assault.


http://www.nesn.com/2010/04/boston-l...ntroversy.html