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Flasteel
04-12-2010, 09:00 PM
On ESPN News, Terry Bradshaw revealed a very strained relationship with Ben. He stated Ben was pissed at him for offering the advice to park his motorcycle before the accident. He went on to say that ever since then Ben has disliked him and he's learning to dislike Ben.

Wow.

It was obvious that Bradshaw thinks very little of Roethlisberger. He did mention something about Ben wanting to break his records and blew it off like he didn't care, but I don't think Bradshaw was motivated by jealousy. He genuinely dislikes the guy.

Personally, I think it will ultimately cost him and taint whatever he does accomplish in this league if he doesn't change. The growing-up and getting smart part is obvious - another black-eye and he's likely getting the Santonio treatment. But Ben also needs to stop being such a huge douchebag (allegedly) if he wants to be fully embraced by the fans and be defined by his on-field accomplishments.

That said, as long as he wins games I really don't care if he has the personality of Eric Cartman. Sure, it would be nice if Ben could become that guy we all love to root for and kids can look up to, but at the end of the day, I'll take the wins regardless.

hawaiiansteel
04-12-2010, 09:07 PM
Bradshaw: Steelers QB needs to watch himself

By Staff and Associated Press reports


Posted: Apr 12, 2010 6:05 PM
Updated: Apr 12, 2010 6:43 PM


The six-time Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh Steelers don't like losing -- or being embarrassed. The family owned team is protective of its image.

So when the Steelers were humiliated by two of their stars, they reacted with an uncommon display of anger.

Among them is Shreveport native Terry Bradshaw, the Steelers' Hall of Fame quarterback who guided them to four Super Bowl championships. He took quarterback Ben Roethlisberger to task today for his conduct that led to a complaint that he had sexually assaulted a college student in Georgia. Prosecutors in Georgia announced today there is not enough evidence to prosecute Roethlisberger.

Bradshaw said the star quarterback needs to be more careful.

"He has got to realize who he is: He is an elite athlete in the National Football League. He is under a magnificent spotlight. He has got to be careful of what he does in the offseason," Bradshaw said. "The best advice my dad game me, Buddy, "You're a Bradshaw. Don't you dare embarrass the family name.' Because he knew the temptations would be out there. I hardly ever went to a club in 14 years in Pittsburgh. Count 'em on one hand. And I was petrified of the problems you could get into.

"If you're single and walking into a bar with beautiful women and have them just fill your ego up -- and you ask yourself, would they pay any attention to you if you weren't who you are? Of course not. I'm not that attractive, and neither is Ben. So it's nice that you can do that."

Bradshaw's comments came when he was at Squire Creek Country Club in Choudrant for the annual Terry Bradshaw/Kix Brooks Golf Tournament.

He acknowledged there is no love lost between him and Roethlisberger.

"When I told him to park the motorcycle, he got pissed. Then he had the accident (and injured himself)," Bradshaw said. "Since then, he doesn't like me -- and I'm learning not to like him.

"He wants to break all my records. I say, 'Break 'em; I don't care. I've done my job. My job is over and now you have your shot.'"

Roethlisberger's troubles aren't over. He must meet with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and could be fined or suspended under the league's conduct policy. He also is being sued by a woman who claims he raped her in 2008 at a hotel and casino in Lake Tahoe, an allegation he strongly denies.

Another Steeler, Santonio Holmes, was traded Sunday to the New York Jets for a fifth-round draft pick after the Steelers learned he would suspended four games for violating the NFL's substance abuse
policy.


Holmes already had angered the club. After being accused in a lawsuit of throwing a drink on a woman at an Orlando nightclub, the receiver answered with a long string of Twitter comments in which he suggested a fan should try to kill himself and others detailing his love of partying.

In Roethlisberger's case, the 20-year-old college student told police he sexually assaulted her last month at a nightclub in the central Georgia college town of Milledgeville.

Prosecutors said there is not enough evidence to prosecute Roethlisberger, 28, who owns a home north of Milledgeville.

The young woman's attorney said she asked prosecutors not to pursue the case. Attorney David Walbert said in a letter to Ocmulgee Judicial Circuit District Attorney Fred Bright that his client was not recanting her accusation. But the letter said she felt a trial would be too intrusive because of all the media attention.

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Steel Life
04-12-2010, 09:21 PM
Like Bradshaw made great decisions while here...wasn't he the guy who dissed the city & stayed away for so many years - even skipping the Chief's funeral because of his attitude? How many failed marriages & a strained relationship with his daughters & he's giving advice?....

SanAntonioSteelerFan
04-12-2010, 09:25 PM
I think he's a Steeler at heart now (Bradshaw), and besides, I agree with most of what he wrote.

My :2c

BlackJackGold
04-12-2010, 09:27 PM
Terry is da man.

ben is just a wanna be.

sd steel
04-12-2010, 09:30 PM
Like Bradshaw made great decisions while here...wasn't he the guy who dissed the city & stayed away for so many years - even skipping the Chief's funeral because of his attitude? How many failed marriages & a strained relationship with his daughters & he's giving advice?....

That was done after he retired, and he felt that the fans were too rough on him, but he never got in trouble with the law, and he had nothing against Art Sr.

JAR
04-12-2010, 09:31 PM
LOL, imagine what Terry would have been accused of in the day of Twitter and Texts.

costanza2k1
04-12-2010, 09:32 PM
Sound advice from someone who has been in multiple divorces and cried like a wuss about his relationship with the fans, the city, coaches and owners...if he really wanted to give him sound advice, pick up the phone and call him and then don't talk about it.

sd steel
04-12-2010, 10:08 PM
Bradshaw 4 Super Bowls, 2MVP's > Ben 2 Super Bowls, 2 rape accusations

Bradshaw is right on the mark.

Shawn
04-12-2010, 10:18 PM
Sound advice from someone who has been in multiple divorces and cried like a wuss about his relationship with the fans, the city, coaches and owners...if he really wanted to give him sound advice, pick up the phone and call him and then don't talk about it.

$$$

Honestly, I don't think Terry or Ben get it.

stlrz d
04-12-2010, 10:45 PM
LOL, imagine what Terry would have been accused of in the day of Twitter and Texts.

I read a story once that stated Bradshaw was accused of doing things he never did and it got so bad that he just stopped doing anything altogether because the fans were crucifying him based on accusations and rumors.

Meanwhile, a guy like Joe Namath carouses like a champ and it actually ADDED to his "legend" and status.

Key word in all of that...accusations. That word is important. Very important.

PS - I'm not the least bit surprised that the folks who are the most critical of Ben on the field are all over him off it as well. And I'm not referring to Bradshaw with that statement either.

fezziwig
04-12-2010, 11:00 PM
Terry was dead on with his comments.

Starlifter
04-13-2010, 12:15 AM
truth is truth. just because it comes from bradshaw doesn't change that fact. besides, how can you not agree with him calling ben ugly - especially after his hairstyle today? Let's hope our QB has finally learned a lesson. He may be a prick at heart but for the next ten years he needs to stay at home, win football games and collect his millions.

personally, i give that a 30% chance of success.....

SanAntonioSteelerFan
04-13-2010, 12:23 AM
truth is truth. just because it comes from bradshaw doesn't change that fact. besides, how can you not agree with him calling ben ugly - especially after his hairstyle today? Let's hope our QB has finally learned a lesson. He may be a prick at heart but for the next ten years he needs to stay at home, win football games and collect his millions.

personally, i give that a 30% chance of success.....

I don't think of him as that, more like someone who can't accept life isn't the same as when he was 20 years old. I hope I'm right, that's easier to fix than the pri*k at heart thing!

kindlecatsb'ng
04-13-2010, 05:32 AM
Terry's opinion is more a result of a maturation process--growing older and seeing how things transpired in one's life such as relationships, one own's behavior (and its consequences) and what you learn and take away from those life lessons. This eventually leads to wisdom. It's akin to "learning from other's mistakes". Some are able to take this and internalize it better than others. For those who cannot, they must experience for themselves the consequences of their actions.

I do not dislike Ben as a person because I don't know him personally. I dislike the behavior that has been exposed as a result of his conscious choices. Hopefully, he will grow through this tumultuous time in his life and mature. IMHO

SteelAbility
04-13-2010, 06:59 AM
I saw the Bradshaw interview. Actually he came across very candid. His remark of "learning to dislike Ben" had the flavor of a guy who has given Ben every "opportunity" to be liked and it just ain't happening. He's just being honest about his feelings. What should he do, pretend to like Ben when he doesn't? I'd rather have the guy who is honest about his feelings than the one faking it and saying the politically correct thing.

He also gave Ben props for being a great athlete. It seemed to me he had high praise for Ben as a football player.

So, Terry has had some divorces. It doesn't mean he isn't a changed man or doesn't have some mellowness/maturity to him. And it doesn't mean his advice is wrong (like the advice about parking the bike). When you think about it, the "park the bike" advice actually says that Terry is rooting FOR Ben not against him. If you see a great QB who has potential to break all your records and supplant you as the greatest QB in team history and break your SB winning record and you're just jealous and immature, you would sooner see the guy hang himself than give him advice that increases his chances of doing that.

Ghost
04-13-2010, 08:11 AM
"If you're single and walking into a bar with beautiful women and have them just fill your ego up -- and you ask yourself, would they pay any attention to you if you weren't who you are? Of course not. I'm not that attractive, and neither is Ben. So it's nice that you can do that."

This is great. Way to get to the point!

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
04-13-2010, 08:52 AM
Bradshaw's fued with the Steelers was laid to rest. He is back in the hearts of the Steelers organization and most of the fans. He reached out to Ben several times and Ben just ignored his advice. The trouble Ben has been getting into just shows his immaturity and his arrogance. That being said, Bradshaw was there too at one time. You could say the same for him about his attitude...Not the legal trouble. However, being there and learning the hard way tends to generate some good advice for someone who wants to listen. Ben didn't. I love Ben but I feel equally for Bradshaw. I don't fault Bradshaw for reaching out to Ben...But I fault Ben for not listening. Bradshaw isn't the only one trying to help Ben...His immaturity & arrogance is making him deaf to people just trying to help. So when Ben is done committing career suicide...He can't say nobody didn't warn him.

Ben has been walking down a road leading out of town for a while now. He just got to the part where the street lights end and the road is dark ahead of him. There are people shouting from behind for him to turn around. Right now, he is just standing there looking forward & back trying to make a decision. It isn't courage, pride, and strength needed to continue to walk down that road into the dark...That's what you need to turn around!

Oviedo
04-13-2010, 08:59 AM
The words that Bradshaw said are right on. The source however should be from Ben's own father, mother and college age sister. They should clearly let him know they are tired of reading about his crap and quit embarassing them. Ben needs some tough love from someone.

SteelAbility
04-13-2010, 09:07 AM
Bradshaw's fued with the Steelers was laid to rest. He is back in the hearts of the Steelers organization and most of the fans. He reached out to Ben several times and Ben just ignored his advice. The trouble Ben has been getting into just shows his immaturity and his arrogance. That being said, Bradshaw was there too at one time. You could say the same for him about his attitude...Not the legal trouble. However, being there and learning the hard way tends to generate some good advice for someone who wants to listen. Ben didn't. I love Ben but I feel equally for Bradshaw. I don't fault Bradshaw for reaching out to Ben...But I fault Ben for not listening. Bradshaw isn't the only one trying to help Ben...His immaturity & arrogance is making him deaf to people just trying to help. So when Ben is done committing career suicide...He can't say nobody didn't warn him.

Ben has been walking down a road leading out of town for a while now. He just got to the part where the street lights end and the road is dark ahead of him. There are people shouting from behind for him to turn around. Right now, he is just standing there looking forward & back trying to make a decision. It isn't courage, pride, and strength needed to continue to walk down that road into the dark...That's what you need to turn around!

:Clap

That's JUST-PLAIN-TRUE. ;)

BURGH86STEEL
04-13-2010, 09:09 AM
The words that Bradshaw said are right on. The source however should be from Ben's own father, mother and college age sister. They should clearly let him know they are tired of reading about his crap and quit embarassing them. Ben needs some tough love from someone.

I believe that people gave Ben advice. Ultimately, the necessary changes of behavior will be up to Ben. I hope that he can move on and become a better person.

BURGH86STEEL
04-13-2010, 09:10 AM
Bradshaw's fued with the Steelers was laid to rest. He is back in the hearts of the Steelers organization and most of the fans. He reached out to Ben several times and Ben just ignored his advice. The trouble Ben has been getting into just shows his immaturity and his arrogance. That being said, Bradshaw was there too at one time. You could say the same for him about his attitude...Not the legal trouble. However, being there and learning the hard way tends to generate some good advice for someone who wants to listen. Ben didn't. I love Ben but I feel equally for Bradshaw. I don't fault Bradshaw for reaching out to Ben...But I fault Ben for not listening. Bradshaw isn't the only one trying to help Ben...His immaturity & arrogance is making him deaf to people just trying to help. So when Ben is done committing career suicide...He can't say nobody didn't warn him.

Ben has been walking down a road leading out of town for a while now. He just got to the part where the street lights end and the road is dark ahead of him. There are people shouting from behind for him to turn around. Right now, he is just standing there looking forward & back trying to make a decision. It isn't courage, pride, and strength needed to continue to walk down that road into the dark...That's what you need to turn around!

:Clap

That's JUST-PLAIN-TRUE. ;)

I agree

fezziwig
04-13-2010, 09:11 AM
"If you're single and walking into a bar with beautiful women and have them just fill your ego up -- and you ask yourself, would they pay any attention to you if you weren't who you are? Of course not. I'm not that attractive, and neither is Ben. So it's nice that you can do that."

This is great. Way to get to the point!



I agree 100 %

Oviedo
04-13-2010, 09:15 AM
The words that Bradshaw said are right on. The source however should be from Ben's own father, mother and college age sister. They should clearly let him know they are tired of reading about his crap and quit embarassing them. Ben needs some tough love from someone.

I believe that people gave Ben advice. Ultimately, the necessary changes of behavior will be up to Ben. I hope that he can move on and become a better person.

I feel sorry for his 21 year old sister who you know hears about this crap.

D Rock
04-13-2010, 09:34 AM
Ben = running around the country at nightclubs and high profile events trying to get chicks

Bradshaw = running around Bradford Woods with Burt Reynolds drinking and carrying on


neither was a saint, and both had their fun. Bradshaw had authorities in Bradford Woods check up on him plenty of times, but at least Bradshaw had fun while keeping out of the national headlines

anger 82&95
04-13-2010, 09:52 AM
On a life cycle continuum Bradshaw has exhibited progression and maturation. Roethlisberger is still young, but the time to start displaying at least a modicum of forethought is now; otherwise he may join Homes on the precipice of obscurity.

fezziwig
04-13-2010, 10:49 AM
I have a feeling when Ben does retire or leave the Steelers, he isn't going to be the warm and fuzzy person that will hold Pittsburgh dear to his heart. You guys thought Bradshaw was dissing the team, fans, city wait, for Bens words someday. I have a feeling after all this Ben is going to place his blame here.

Ben and the Steelers are not out of the woods yet. I wonder if all this has placed his other lawsuit into a different , more aggressive or more negative light for his outcome ?

aggiebones
04-13-2010, 11:00 AM
Terry and Ben are alot alike.
Terry is older and seems content with his accomplishments and though still bitter about his life as an NFL QB, he seems comfortable with Ben breaking his records. For one they are not comparable due to eras.

But Terry had as many problems as Terry and though his advice is sound, he didn't live graciously either. Its a bit hypocritical of Terry to take shots at Ben now that Terry has finally matured in his 50s.
Terry had all sorts of problems and malfunctions. He was embattled with fans and threw us under the bus. But we still love Terry.

Ben has done some self-infliction. But he has the ability to get through this with some time. If he does tone it down a bit. He can easily escape these problems with money to the gold diggers. I say fight through it and then have a bad reputation for a couple years. Then he'll be able to get back on top.

Analyzing the top QBs in the league.
-Brady seems like a douche.
-Manning seems like he lives in a different world and probably because he grew up with a silver football in his hand.
-Brees is a dick. Don't be fooled by his grace in NO. He has PLENTY of enemies in Texas where he grew up. In fact he and his Mom have a bad relationship.

Of all the top 10 remaining QBs, I'd say McNabb is the cleanest:
"Donovan McNabb married his Syracuse sweetheart, Raquel Nurse, a former basketball player for the Orangewomen." They have four children
Or
Maybe Brett oddly. Dude plays football and mows his yard. Can't get much trouble there.
Maybe Ben needs a tractor.

NWNewell
04-13-2010, 11:01 AM
PS - I'm not the least bit surprised that the folks who are the most critical of Ben on the field are all over him off it as well. And I'm not referring to Bradshaw with that statement either.

Happily not one of them...

I'm one that can at times be overly forgiving and give Ben the benefit of the doubt when he makes mistakes on the field because of all the good things he does.

But on this topic, I'll admit I'm a bit more conservative and fall on the critical side. He very well might not have done anything "criminal", but as I've said before, that is not the end-all be-all for personal accountability. I think he is guilty of "conduct unbecoming" and would like to see the Rooney's take some action. The way I look at it, he is becoming the type of person I would not want to be associated with. As a business and privately run organization, they have the right to discipline or cut ties with someone if they feel the same way. Part of the reason I'm such a Steelers fan is because I think they do it right, or at least better than most professional franchises. They not only win, but try to maintain a certain amount of moral character and integrity in the process. I would like to see the Rooney's continue in that tradition.



Ben has been walking down a road leading out of town for a while now. He just got to the part where the street lights end and the road is dark ahead of him. There are people shouting from behind for him to turn around. Right now, he is just standing there looking forward & back trying to make a decision. It isn't courage, pride, and strength needed to continue to walk down that road into the dark...That's what you need to turn around!

Well said. Things have come to a head.

I'll be interested to see if the Rooney's hedge their bets and start to position themselves with this draft and through next off-season to replace Ben if he doesn't turn it around.

papillon
04-13-2010, 11:37 AM
It's Terry's experience that make his statements even more viable. What he did as a youth has no bearing on how he believes Ben should behave. His words ring true and Ben would do well to heed them along with Bill Cowher's and maybe revisiting some of the lessons his deceased football coach taught him would help put things in perspective.

Pappy

_SteeL_CurtaiN_
04-13-2010, 11:55 AM
Like Bradshaw made great decisions while here...wasn't he the guy who dissed the city & stayed away for so many years - even skipping the Chief's funeral because of his attitude? How many failed marriages & a strained relationship with his daughters & he's giving advice?....

Who better to give the advise than someone who has lived the mistakes he has.

fezziwig
04-13-2010, 02:34 PM
It's not apples to oranges when you compare Bradshaw and Big Ben. Bradshaw was treated poorly by the fans and coach and it did affect him and that was his persoanl problem that had taken a long time to resolve or get over. Bradshaw was a young guy and I doubt I could have taken the pressure and insults that Bradshaw was taking at a young age. At any age it would be tough to get that kind of treatment.

Terry couldn't help in my opinion that he didn't or couldn't come of age fast enough for the coach, team and fans.

Ben on the other hand has it all with fast success, big money, people falling over him. Bens problems are problems he could control or at least learn quickly on what is expected of him in the proffesional spotlight and in private life. Ben brought this all on to himself and to the team, fans and city.

How many other stories have you heard on a constant level of other Steeler players acting as poorly as Ben ?

Terry does have room to talk especially it seemd to me that Terry tried giving Ben good advice from his own wisdom and experiences of being in the spotlight.

Steel Life
04-13-2010, 03:40 PM
Bradshaw comes off like the cranky Grandpa & his own issues aren't that far behind - all I'm saying is that people that live in glass houses....

Another thing, people have got to drop the motorcycle thing...IT'S OVER, THE ACCIDENT WASN'T HIS FAULT - piling this into the current situation is apples & oranges.

feltdizz
04-13-2010, 06:57 PM
It's not about fault with the bike accident or even the false rape charge... It's about risk management. Ben seems to take risk that he doesn't need to and it puts him in sh!tty water.

Bradshaw is like your Dad or Uncle who ran the streets and experienced the temptations and tried to warn you... it's one thing for a poster or ESPN blowhard to speak on Ben but Terry has done it and has first hand experience. It's always wise to listen to the guys who have been there before you.Tthe best mentors for kids in gangs are former gang members who know the game and have been down that dark road before.

I wonder if Elway mentored Ben if he would wise up since he looked up to him as a kid?

Starlifter
04-14-2010, 12:22 AM
Doesn't it seem that Ben could put his troubles behind him and we'd never hear another word if he simply lived his life asking 5 simple words.

What would Heath Miller do?

fezziwig
04-16-2010, 10:44 AM
Ha ! Funny and true. At least I think it would be true because Miller sure seems to me like the good natured, honorable farm boy that wouldn't go across the grain of society, values and church if you drug him with a John Deere.

birtikidis
04-16-2010, 10:56 AM
Hey didn't read the entire thread, so if this has been mentioned sorry.
I was talking to a neighboor down here in tampa (steeler fan of course) and he made a great point. If Ben was resurrect his image, the first place to start is with Terry. Terry is beloved in Pittsburgh and if Ben reaches out to him, I think alot of people in the area would start to change their opinions.

feltdizz
04-16-2010, 08:33 PM
Hey didn't read the entire thread, so if this has been mentioned sorry.
I was talking to a neighboor down here in tampa (steeler fan of course) and he made a great point. If Ben was resurrect his image, the first place to start is with Terry. Terry is beloved in Pittsburgh and if Ben reaches out to him, I think alot of people in the area would start to change their opinions.

True... but it would mean Ben would have to humble himself and I don't think he is that type of guy.

It would be the perfect start... Bradshaw would love it too.. I think part of the reason he is so mad at Ben is because he won't listen or reach out to him .

birtikidis
04-17-2010, 02:11 PM
Hey didn't read the entire thread, so if this has been mentioned sorry.
I was talking to a neighboor down here in tampa (steeler fan of course) and he made a great point. If Ben was resurrect his image, the first place to start is with Terry. Terry is beloved in Pittsburgh and if Ben reaches out to him, I think alot of people in the area would start to change their opinions.

True... but it would mean Ben would have to humble himself and I don't think he is that type of guy.

It would be the perfect start... Bradshaw would love it too.. I think part of the reason he is so mad at Ben is because he won't listen or reach out to him .
I don't know, I think Ben will reach out to Terry. do I think it'll happen soon.. I'm not too sure about that, but I do think it will eventually.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
04-17-2010, 03:20 PM
I think it is so important "in the court of public opinion" (at least regarding Steeler Nation) for Terry Bradshaw to eventually come out as a Ben supporter that it will appear in some kind of "take it or leave it" F.O.-imposed agreement with Ben that he woo Terry and become his best buddy.

Ben can't have his image resurrected in the general public's eyes as long as he is still dog doo in Steeler Nation's.

I think that's a necessary step, but unfortunately not sufficient alone to get the job done. I think for that to occur, Ben's side needs to come out, and what he says has to be reasonably accepted as tolerable, at least coming from someone who now is perceived as seeing the light and changing his spots. We all grow up and out of that stage of life eventually, there's no reason Ben can't (with some "counseling" help, maybe?).

The question is: 1) Will Ben's side ever come out, either from his lawyer, or in relationship to the others in his party (it seems that investigations are slowly starting there, with the off-duty cops being looked at closely now), and 2) If/when it does come out, will the details be tolerable?

IMO, a 28-year old multimillionaire cruising college bars and picking up drunk chicks is bad, but not so bad that it can't be "forgiven" if sincere repentance and good works are noted. This is regardless of whatever "happened" that night in GA. On the other hand, "rape" needs to be punished.

BTW - I'm in a weekend band - we had been thinking of learning the song "Devil Goes Down to Georgia" - I put the kibosh on it. I already tweak a few down here by wearing my Steeler shirts when I play - I don't want to deal with what I'd surely hear if we played that!