No remorse by Holmes

[aggiebones]

This is why he's gone.
He continued down the slippery slope thumbing his nose at the organization, the league and fighting with fans. He showed no remorse for his actions and has been combative, even taunting on his twitter account about waken and baken.
Reed and Ben, equally ignorant, have shown remorse and embarrassment in their actions.

You can blame who you want and take shots at the Rooneys, but they really were left with no choice.
He's also got no future value with a suspension this season and no chance of resigning. We got something for him now. Another suspension and he's gone a year. He may be close to that already.

[Dee Dub]

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Good riddance. A WR in the NFL can easily be replaced...especially when you have a franchise QB.

[Djfan]

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Good riddance. A WR in the NFL can easily be replaced...especially when you have a franchise QB.

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[papillon]

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Good riddance. A WR in the NFL can easily be replaced...especially when you have a franchise QB.

A WR the caliber of SH is not a dime a dozen talent in the NFL. You're an astute football guy and know that it isn't easy to replace a WR of the caliber SH was on the field. If that were the case every team would have one elite WR and that simply isn't the case.

I'd love to see Brandon Marshall make it the B and G somehow.

Pappy

[SteelAbility]

Get rid of him? Yes. But please not to a potential SB contender in your own conference. Let the "IF" of Santonio behavior management loom in the kingdom of Far Far Away. I think a bit of poker face and a show of "we think we can work with this guy to overcome these problems" would have netted more.

[Captain Lemming]

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Good riddance. A WR in the NFL can easily be replaced...especially when you have a franchise QB.

A WR the caliber of SH is not a dime a dozen talent in the NFL. You're an astute football guy and know that it isn't easy to replace a WR of the caliber SH was on the field. If that were the case every team would have one elite WR and that simply isn't the case.

Pappy

Is that why we only got a 5th?

Fact is, receivers are overrated, and secondly Santonio aint elite among receivers.

[MaxAMillion]

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Good riddance. A WR in the NFL can easily be replaced...especially when you have a franchise QB.

A WR the caliber of SH is not a dime a dozen talent in the NFL. You're an astute football guy and know that it isn't easy to replace a WR of the caliber SH was on the field. If that were the case every team would have one elite WR and that simply isn't the case.

I'd love to see Brandon Marshall make it the B and G somehow.

Pappy

Agreed, 1200 yard receivers are not available at the drop of a hat. If they were, every team would have one on their roster.

[aggiebones]

The Steelers were handcuffed on this one.
He is missing a quarter of his last contract season. That is a big hurt. Not just for this season, but for the potential of missing a whole season if he steps out of line again. That and him twittering about smoking pot recently.
I too thought we could get more. But when you put it all down on paper, he is a disaster to trade.
Whoever gets him is immediately going to have to invest big money in him or risk losing him after this season. The Jets are intermediately in a quandary. For one, they haven't given Edwards his money yet. I expect a huge meltdown between those two soon. :)

[Ghost]

The jets coach certainly thinks he is elite. He's been quoted as saying that when he was coaching with the Ratbirds, Holmes was the BEST WR they faced all season.

I agree with aggie - he handcuffed the Steelers and his insanely stupid tweeting could not be ignored on top of everything else. But the Steelers are losing a talent. To act as if this isn't so is naive.

[steelblood]

The Steelers were handcuffed on this one.
He is missing a quarter of his last contract season. That is a big hurt. Not just for this season, but for the potential of missing a whole season if he steps out of line again. That and him twittering about smoking pot recently.
I too thought we could get more. But when you put it all down on paper, he is a disaster to trade.
Whoever gets him is immediately going to have to invest big money in him or risk losing him after this season. The Jets are intermediately in a quandary. For one, they haven't given Edwards his money yet. I expect a huge meltdown between those two soon. :)

Fine. Then add a conditional pick to the equation.

We trade him for a 5th rounder this season and a conditional 4th rounder in 2012. IF he resigns with the team and performs, we get more.

[BURGH86STEEL]

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Good riddance. A WR in the NFL can easily be replaced...especially when you have a franchise QB.

A WR the caliber of SH is not a dime a dozen talent in the NFL. You're an astute football guy and know that it isn't easy to replace a WR of the caliber SH was on the field. If that were the case every team would have one elite WR and that simply isn't the case.

I'd love to see Brandon Marshall make it the B and G somehow.

Pappy

Agreed, 1200 yard receivers are not available at the drop of a hat. If they were, every team would have one on their roster.

There are other variables to consider about this topic. Like who is throwing the WR's the football or how good is the team? Jerry Rice would not be as prolific as he was if he did not play with 2 HOF QB's.


Holmes is a good WR. He is not in the Fitz or Johnson class of WR's. I would put him in the next tier. The Steelers can over come Holmes' loss. They still have plenty of talented players on offense.

[BURGH86STEEL]

The jets coach certainly thinks he is elite. He's been quoted as saying that when he was coaching with the Ratbirds, Holmes was the BEST WR they faced all season.

I agree with aggie - he handcuffed the Steelers and his insanely stupid tweeting could not be ignored on top of everything else. But the Steelers are losing a talent. To act as if this isn't so is naive.

They lose talent and always find a way to eventually replace most guys. It is better that this happened now as opposed to in the middle of the season.

[Shawn]

Get rid of him? Yes. But please not to a potential SB contender in your own conference. Let the "IF" of Santonio behavior management loom in the kingdom of Far Far Away. I think a bit of poker face and a show of "we think we can work with this guy to overcome these problems" would have netted more.

You sir are a genius. The Rooneys should hire you and consult you before they make any decisions. And no I'm not being sarcastic.

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[frankthetank1]

The jets coach certainly thinks he is elite. He's been quoted as saying that when he was coaching with the Ratbirds, Holmes was the BEST WR they faced all season.

I agree with aggie - he handcuffed the Steelers and his insanely stupid tweeting could not be ignored on top of everything else. But the Steelers are losing a talent. To act as if this isn't so is naive.

he is a talent but not a talent too hard to replace. solid wr's in the nfl are very common. holmes isnt elite and never will be. the jets also think braylon edwards is an elite wr so that says how much they know about evaluating wr talent. it sucks we only got a 5th considering his talent but if you look at his rap sheet he is a disaster. he really screwed the steelers big time

[papillon]

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Good riddance. A WR in the NFL can easily be replaced...especially when you have a franchise QB.

A WR the caliber of SH is not a dime a dozen talent in the NFL. You're an astute football guy and know that it isn't easy to replace a WR of the caliber SH was on the field. If that were the case every team would have one elite WR and that simply isn't the case.

Pappy

Is that why we only got a 5th?

Fact is, receivers are overrated, and secondly Santonio aint elite among receivers.[/quote:t3vtb8sv]

We got a 5th round pick because he's a dumb@ss and it has nothing to do with his talent. If you believe that finding a 1200 yard per season receiver with a rather high YPC and YAC is easy then why doesn't every team have one?

Holmes can make plays against press man, zone, and any other defense that has been devised. He reads defenses well and seems to be on the same page more often than not with Ben. Believing that it will be easy to replace him is a bit naive. I'd rather have him for 12 games next year and then let him hit free agency. He would have been playing for his big payday.

Pappy

[Dee Dub]

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Good riddance. A WR in the NFL can easily be replaced...especially when you have a franchise QB.

A WR the caliber of SH is not a dime a dozen talent in the NFL. You're an astute football guy and know that it isn't easy to replace a WR of the caliber SH was on the field. If that were the case every team would have one elite WR and that simply isn't the case.

I'd love to see Brandon Marshall make it the B and G somehow.

Pappy

He's already been replaced buy what I believe will be a better receiver....Mike Wallace. And I bet Wallace finds the end zone more than 5 times a year too. :wink:

[papillon]

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Good riddance. A WR in the NFL can easily be replaced...especially when you have a franchise QB.

A WR the caliber of SH is not a dime a dozen talent in the NFL. You're an astute football guy and know that it isn't easy to replace a WR of the caliber SH was on the field. If that were the case every team would have one elite WR and that simply isn't the case.

I'd love to see Brandon Marshall make it the B and G somehow.

Pappy

He's already been replaced buy what I believe will be a better receiver....Mike Wallace. And I bet Wallace finds the end zone more than 5 times a year too. :wink:[/quote:180k30nt]

That remains to be seen. Wallace won't have anyone protecting him this year by demanding extra coverage. I hope you're right, but my statement about 1200 yard per year receivers not being easy to replace still stands. They're not low hanging fruit in the draft and they aren't low hanging fruit currently on rosters.

Pappy