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JAR
04-10-2010, 02:15 AM
Don't care if I get banned, don't care if I get flamed. But EFF all you Ben haters, you thrower under the bussers, you whateverthe reason you hatehim'ers.

Like I've said from day one, Ben did nothing wrong and is getting a very bad rap. he's owed an apology!

Shawn
04-10-2010, 04:04 AM
Don't care if I get banned, don't care if I get flamed. But EFF all you Ben haters, you thrower under the bussers, you whateverthe reason you hatehim'ers.

Like I've said from day one, Ben did nothing wrong and is getting a very bad rap. he's owed an apology!

If he indeed isn't charged. The line for apologies needs to start here. If you would have asked me before this season if Steeler fans would turn on Ben I would have said no...not a chance. I was very wrong. :?

rpmpit
04-10-2010, 08:50 AM
I had my doubts. I think we all did. But there have been too many good stories, reports, etc. about Ben to just dismiss him as an arrogant doosh bag - and worse, a criminal. The absolute lowest was thinking it might not be a good idea to let armpit jr. wear his Ben jersey. But I never did that. Never gave up hope that Ben was innocent.

So anyway, hopefully we can put this behind us. Ben needs to grow up a little, marry a nice bitch, uh, I mean girl :) and have a few Little Bens.

Let's make it right, boys. And the best way to make it right, is by getting #7 with #7.

:tt2 :tt2 :tt2 :tt2 :tt2 :tt2 :tt2 :tt2 :tt2 :tt2 :tt2

frankthetank1
04-10-2010, 10:30 AM
relax, who ever said ben was guilty? i never did. all i said is i wish he had better judgement and didnt put himself in bad situations which i still believe. its not about turning your back on ben or anything like that. i never thought ben was a bad guy just not all that bright

feltdizz
04-10-2010, 10:46 AM
Who do I apologize to for commenting on a situation I didn't create?

It's a comment board and the next high profile Steeler who gets accused of rape, murder, pimping, puffin, snorting or sending pornmail will get similar treatment.

It's just a message board... It's not a jumbotron screen in times square used by judge and jury.

SteelAbility
04-10-2010, 11:05 AM
The fact that Ben isn't going to be charged doesn't mean he didn't do anything wrong. He didn't do anything CRIMINALLY wrong. He did exercise very poor judgment and that is wrong. He put himself at risk and the Steeler organization at risk (of false accusations sticking or at the very least hanging/pending, leaving the organization in a position of uncertainty). Weren't we all talking about drafing Tebow? Not even a sizeable discussion without this incident. He put the Steelers in a position of having to alter their draft strategy, a burden they would not otherwise have had. He owes the Steelers better than this.

stlrz d
04-10-2010, 11:23 AM
The fact that Ben isn't going to be charged doesn't mean he didn't do anything wrong. He didn't do anything CRIMINALLY wrong. He did exercise very poor judgment and that is wrong. He put himself at risk and the Steeler organization at risk (of false accusations sticking or at the very least hanging/pending, leaving the organization in a position of uncertainty). Weren't we all talking about drafing Tebow? Not even a sizeable discussion without this incident. He put the Steelers in a position of having to alter their draft strategy, a burden they would not otherwise have had. He owes the Steelers better than this.

It's not up to you or anyone else to decide how he lives his life.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
04-10-2010, 11:24 AM
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guys!

People had different opinions as to whether Ben was acting really stupid or not, that's all. Nobody was saying the Steelers suck, or Ben sucks, and I'm not even sure anyone was saying he was criminally guilty.

Now that this nightmare is over, let's get back to topics like
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:tt1 :tt2 !

frankthetank1
04-10-2010, 11:27 AM
The fact that Ben isn't going to be charged doesn't mean he didn't do anything wrong. He didn't do anything CRIMINALLY wrong. He did exercise very poor judgment and that is wrong. He put himself at risk and the Steeler organization at risk (of false accusations sticking or at the very least hanging/pending, leaving the organization in a position of uncertainty). Weren't we all talking about drafing Tebow? Not even a sizeable discussion without this incident. He put the Steelers in a position of having to alter their draft strategy, a burden they would not otherwise have had. He owes the Steelers better than this.

It's not up to you or anyone else to decide how he lives his life.

no its up to ben but we are all just tired of the sexual assault accusations. its pretty fair to say he should make some changes to his lifestyle. im sure ben doesnt enjoy spending millions on sexual assault cases. two accusations in one year is pretty bad. he can definetly make some better decisions. i could care less what ben does in his free time if he isnt getting himself in any trouble.

stlrz d
04-10-2010, 11:31 AM
The fact that Ben isn't going to be charged doesn't mean he didn't do anything wrong. He didn't do anything CRIMINALLY wrong. He did exercise very poor judgment and that is wrong. He put himself at risk and the Steeler organization at risk (of false accusations sticking or at the very least hanging/pending, leaving the organization in a position of uncertainty). Weren't we all talking about drafing Tebow? Not even a sizeable discussion without this incident. He put the Steelers in a position of having to alter their draft strategy, a burden they would not otherwise have had. He owes the Steelers better than this.

It's not up to you or anyone else to decide how he lives his life.

no its up to ben but we are all just tired of the sexual assault accusations. its pretty fair to say he should make some changes to his lifestyle. im sure ben doesnt enjoy spending millions on sexual assault cases. two accusations in one year is pretty bad. he can definetly make some better decisions. i could care less what ben does in his free time if he isnt getting himself in any trouble.

I've posted this several times...this will be the last.

When the Reno incident happened people went on and on about how he should surround himself with friends, bodyguards, etc....

This time he did that and some chick still accused him. So people moved the goalposts yet again. People who weren't there and who don't know exactly what did or did not happen.

He is young and single. Expecting him to not live the life of a young, rich single man is simply unrealistic.

JAR
04-10-2010, 11:36 AM
relax, who ever said ben was guilty? i never did. all i said is i wish he had better judgement and didnt put himself in bad situations which i still believe. its not about turning your back on ben or anything like that. i never thought ben was a bad guy just not all that bright

Several people including the media have crucified Ben. If Ben wants to go to a bar, he should be able to go to a bar without some gold digger making false accusations. How was Ben making a bad decision being in a bar celebrating his birthday with an entourage of cops?

frankthetank1
04-10-2010, 11:37 AM
[quote=SteelAbility]The fact that Ben isn't going to be charged doesn't mean he didn't do anything wrong. He didn't do anything CRIMINALLY wrong. He did exercise very poor judgment and that is wrong. He put himself at risk and the Steeler organization at risk (of false accusations sticking or at the very least hanging/pending, leaving the organization in a position of uncertainty). Weren't we all talking about drafing Tebow? Not even a sizeable discussion without this incident. He put the Steelers in a position of having to alter their draft strategy, a burden they would not otherwise have had. He owes the Steelers better than this.

It's not up to you or anyone else to decide how he lives his life.

no its up to ben but we are all just tired of the sexual assault accusations. its pretty fair to say he should make some changes to his lifestyle. im sure ben doesnt enjoy spending millions on sexual assault cases. two accusations in one year is pretty bad. he can definetly make some better decisions. i could care less what ben does in his free time if he isnt getting himself in any trouble.

I've posted this several times...this will be the last.

When the Reno incident happened people went on and on about how he should surround himself with friends, bodyguards, etc....

This time he did that and some chick still accused him. So people moved the goalposts yet again. People who weren't there and who don't know exactly what did or did not happen.

He is young and single. Expecting him to not live the life of a young, rich single man is simply unrealistic.[/quote:3vbv7fqw]

there are a ton of celebs and players who enjoy the night life. not many of them get accused of sexual assault on a regular basis. it doesnt really matter. he isnt going to court and thats the important thing. but what if this happens again? it very well could

frankthetank1
04-10-2010, 11:40 AM
relax, who ever said ben was guilty? i never did. all i said is i wish he had better judgement and didnt put himself in bad situations which i still believe. its not about turning your back on ben or anything like that. i never thought ben was a bad guy just not all that bright

Several people including the media have crucified Ben. If Ben wants to go to a bar, he should be able to go to a bar without some gold digger making false accusations. How was Ben making a bad decision being in a bar celebrating his birthday with an entourage of cops?

your right he should be able to go to bars without being accused of sexual assault. this is the real world though and ben is a big celeb with a ton of money. the media is scum, its their job to crucify ben weather guilty or not. ben shouldnt of had any "CONTACT" with some 20 year old girl who was wasted that he did not know. it really sucks but ben cant live a normal life. that is the price any celeb has to pay

JAR
04-10-2010, 11:48 AM
relax, who ever said ben was guilty? i never did. all i said is i wish he had better judgement and didnt put himself in bad situations which i still believe. its not about turning your back on ben or anything like that. i never thought ben was a bad guy just not all that bright

Several people including the media have crucified Ben. If Ben wants to go to a bar, he should be able to go to a bar without some gold digger making false accusations. How was Ben making a bad decision being in a bar celebrating his birthday with an entourage of cops?

your right he should be able to go to bars without being accused of sexual assault. this is the real world though and ben is a big celeb with a ton of money. the media is scum, its their job to crucify ben weather guilty or not. ben shouldnt of had any "CONTACT" with some 20 year old girl who was wasted that he did not know. it really sucks but ben cant live a normal life. that is the price any celeb has to pay

What was the contact and was she wasted at that time? You're assuming, again.

frankthetank1
04-10-2010, 12:25 PM
relax, who ever said ben was guilty? i never did. all i said is i wish he had better judgement and didnt put himself in bad situations which i still believe. its not about turning your back on ben or anything like that. i never thought ben was a bad guy just not all that bright

Several people including the media have crucified Ben. If Ben wants to go to a bar, he should be able to go to a bar without some gold digger making false accusations. How was Ben making a bad decision being in a bar celebrating his birthday with an entourage of cops?

your right he should be able to go to bars without being accused of sexual assault. this is the real world though and ben is a big celeb with a ton of money. the media is scum, its their job to crucify ben weather guilty or not. ben shouldnt of had any "CONTACT" with some 20 year old girl who was wasted that he did not know. it really sucks but ben cant live a normal life. that is the price any celeb has to pay

What was the contact and was she wasted at that time? You're assuming, again.

well her blood alchoal level was .20 and im pretty sure i read and heard on espn that ben admitted he had contact with the girl. im not assuming anything im just going with what i hear and read in the news

Shawn
04-10-2010, 12:28 PM
relax, who ever said ben was guilty? i never did. all i said is i wish he had better judgement and didnt put himself in bad situations which i still believe. its not about turning your back on ben or anything like that. i never thought ben was a bad guy just not all that bright

Several people including the media have crucified Ben. If Ben wants to go to a bar, he should be able to go to a bar without some gold digger making false accusations. How was Ben making a bad decision being in a bar celebrating his birthday with an entourage of cops?

I have supported Ben from the beginning and I agree there is nothing wrong with doing what you said. But, going into a public restroom with a drunk girl to have relations is ignorant. That's the part I have issue with. I know he was lit and horned up but dayum Ben you need to be able to control yourself.

Shawn
04-10-2010, 12:32 PM
relax, who ever said ben was guilty? i never did. all i said is i wish he had better judgement and didnt put himself in bad situations which i still believe. its not about turning your back on ben or anything like that. i never thought ben was a bad guy just not all that bright

Several people including the media have crucified Ben. If Ben wants to go to a bar, he should be able to go to a bar without some gold digger making false accusations. How was Ben making a bad decision being in a bar celebrating his birthday with an entourage of cops?

your right he should be able to go to bars without being accused of sexual assault. this is the real world though and ben is a big celeb with a ton of money. the media is scum, its their job to crucify ben weather guilty or not. ben shouldnt of had any "CONTACT" with some 20 year old girl who was wasted that he did not know. it really sucks but ben cant live a normal life. that is the price any celeb has to pay

What was the contact and was she wasted at that time? You're assuming, again.

We know there was sexual contact-per Ben and we know the girl was a .2 hours after her last drink. While those might be assumptions they are educated assumptions based on Ben's own words and the blood alcohol level at the hospital. We know by several eye wintess accounts Ben had body guards posted outside of the bathroom doors as well.

I can't defend doing anything in a public bathroom with a lit chick. But, it is what it is. Hopefully Ben uses this as a very valuable lesson and gains a tighter reign on little Ben.

JAR
04-10-2010, 12:34 PM
relax, who ever said ben was guilty? i never did. all i said is i wish he had better judgement and didnt put himself in bad situations which i still believe. its not about turning your back on ben or anything like that. i never thought ben was a bad guy just not all that bright

Several people including the media have crucified Ben. If Ben wants to go to a bar, he should be able to go to a bar without some gold digger making false accusations. How was Ben making a bad decision being in a bar celebrating his birthday with an entourage of cops?

I have supported Ben from the beginning and I agree there is nothing wrong with doing what you said. But, going into a public restroom with a drunk girl to have relations is ignorant. That's the part I have issue with. I know he was lit and horned up but dayum Ben you need to be able to control yourself.

And where is the proof he did this? This is based on one of her friends saying she thought she was in the bathroom with him?

feltdizz
04-10-2010, 12:51 PM
relax, who ever said ben was guilty? i never did. all i said is i wish he had better judgement and didnt put himself in bad situations which i still believe. its not about turning your back on ben or anything like that. i never thought ben was a bad guy just not all that bright

Several people including the media have crucified Ben. If Ben wants to go to a bar, he should be able to go to a bar without some gold digger making false accusations. How was Ben making a bad decision being in a bar celebrating his birthday with an entourage of cops?

your right he should be able to go to bars without being accused of sexual assault. this is the real world though and ben is a big celeb with a ton of money. the media is scum, its their job to crucify ben weather guilty or not. ben shouldnt of had any "CONTACT" with some 20 year old girl who was wasted that he did not know. it really sucks but ben cant live a normal life. that is the price any celeb has to pay

What was the contact and was she wasted at that time? You're assuming, again.

We know there was sexual contact-per Ben and we know the girl was a .2 hours after her last drink. While those might be assumptions they are educated assumptions based on Ben's own words and the blood alcohol level at the hospital. We know by several eye wintess accounts Ben had body guards posted outside of the bathroom doors as well.

I can't defend doing anything in a public bathroom with a lit chick. But, it is what it is. Hopefully Ben uses this as a very valuable lesson and gains a tighter reign on little Ben.

But Shawn.. as we see, not being charged means Ben can continue as he pleases.

Ben didn't break any laws riding a bike without a helmet but the old lady DID break the law when she turned left and Ben hit her car. While he wasn't responsible it's still a risk because other people can be reckless as well and 2 wheels and no helmet increases the risk.

Giving young chicks shots in the VIP should be a great time... but when you have a previous accusation you have to be more aware. Maybe the cops and the witnesses were the extra steps and this is why he wasn't charged.

Honestly though.. if a chick cries rape with 2 body guards and some friends at Ben's side I think it's damn clear that Ben can't just do what the hell he chooses. He is a marked man.

steelblood
04-10-2010, 12:56 PM
You'll get no apology from me.

I never said he was guilty of anything more than putting himself in a bad situation when he was currently under intense scrutiny. I think it is pretty clear that Ben is a bit of a risk take on and off the field. I'd like to see him tone it down a bit off the field. Please don't tell me that playing grab-ass with a drunk 20 year old is a good idea given his current legal entanglements. I hope he truly is innocent in both cases.

feltdizz
04-10-2010, 01:01 PM
You'll get no apology from me.

I never said he was guilty of anything more than putting himself in a bad situation when he was currently under intense scrutiny. I think it is pretty clear that Ben is a bit of a risk take on and off the field. I'd like to see him tone it down a bit off the field. Please don't tell me that playing grab-bad word with a drunk 20 year old is a good idea given his current legal entanglements. I hope he truly is innocent in both cases.

Ben is officially the "Catch Me If You Can" man...

All jokes aside I expect an amazing season from Holmes and Ben this year. Was Harrison's off field issues before his record setting year? We do a great job of making off season us against the world...

even in the off season Ben has us on the edge of our seats.

SteelAbility
04-10-2010, 03:45 PM
The fact that Ben isn't going to be charged doesn't mean he didn't do anything wrong. He didn't do anything CRIMINALLY wrong. He did exercise very poor judgment and that is wrong. He put himself at risk and the Steeler organization at risk (of false accusations sticking or at the very least hanging/pending, leaving the organization in a position of uncertainty). Weren't we all talking about drafing Tebow? Not even a sizeable discussion without this incident. He put the Steelers in a position of having to alter their draft strategy, a burden they would not otherwise have had. He owes the Steelers better than this.

It's not up to you or anyone else to decide how he lives his life.

Dude you are so over the line. It's not up to your or anyone else to decide how I should post on a message board. Perhaps you should think about what you are posting next time.

Now, since you are obviously obtuse let me explain it to you. When you go into a contract with someone who extends it to you in good faith and that involves their financial well-being you are bound (by honor, if you have any) to act in such a way that you do not jeapordize their good faith. Get it. Apparently not. You just like to flame people on this board with sorry-ass, stupid-ass "sweep away" type statements. You are also apparently pretty adept at putting words in people's mouths. But I guess, when it's your god-given right to put people in their place you don't question your own obvious stupidity. Way to go toolhead.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Shawn
04-10-2010, 07:55 PM
relax, who ever said ben was guilty? i never did. all i said is i wish he had better judgement and didnt put himself in bad situations which i still believe. its not about turning your back on ben or anything like that. i never thought ben was a bad guy just not all that bright

Several people including the media have crucified Ben. If Ben wants to go to a bar, he should be able to go to a bar without some gold digger making false accusations. How was Ben making a bad decision being in a bar celebrating his birthday with an entourage of cops?

I have supported Ben from the beginning and I agree there is nothing wrong with doing what you said. But, going into a public restroom with a drunk girl to have relations is ignorant. That's the part I have issue with. I know he was lit and horned up but dayum Ben you need to be able to control yourself.

And where is the proof he did this? This is based on one of her friends saying she thought she was in the bathroom with him?

Come on...we can take this blind eye support just a little too far. Obviously there is no iron clad evidence but look at the facts. There was some sort of contact per Ben that was of a sexual nature. He placed body guards in front of the bathroom doors. I highly doubt he did that to take a dump. I would say there is a high liklihood that Ben was in the bathroom with that girl. If so it was boneheaded. If not, then terrific.

Shawn
04-10-2010, 08:01 PM
The fact that Ben isn't going to be charged doesn't mean he didn't do anything wrong. He didn't do anything CRIMINALLY wrong. He did exercise very poor judgment and that is wrong. He put himself at risk and the Steeler organization at risk (of false accusations sticking or at the very least hanging/pending, leaving the organization in a position of uncertainty). Weren't we all talking about drafing Tebow? Not even a sizeable discussion without this incident. He put the Steelers in a position of having to alter their draft strategy, a burden they would not otherwise have had. He owes the Steelers better than this.

It's not up to you or anyone else to decide how he lives his life.

Dude you are so over the line. It's not up to your or anyone else to decide how I should post on a message board. Perhaps you should think about what you are posting next time.

Now, since you are obviously obtuse let me explain it to you. When you go into a contract with someone who extends it to you in good faith and that involves their financial well-being you are bound (by honor, if you have any) to act in such a way that you do not jeapordize their good faith. Get it. Apparently not. You just like to flame people on this board with sorry-bad word, stupid-bad word "sweep away" type statements. You are also apparently pretty adept at putting words in people's mouths. But I guess, when it's your god-given right to put people in their place you don't question your own obvious stupidity. Way to go toolhead.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

The state of Kentucky tells me what I can do on and off the job. I can lose my license to practice for acts of non criminal moral turpitude. It can be very subjective. It's a privilage to have a medical license. It's a privilage to play in the NFL. These are not rights. The NFL has every right to tell Ben what he can and can not do on and off the field. If he doesn't like their rules he doesn't have to play. I'm sure this kind of thing goes for many professionals, lawyers, nurses, dentists etc.

feltdizz
04-10-2010, 11:34 PM
The fact that Ben isn't going to be charged doesn't mean he didn't do anything wrong. He didn't do anything CRIMINALLY wrong. He did exercise very poor judgment and that is wrong. He put himself at risk and the Steeler organization at risk (of false accusations sticking or at the very least hanging/pending, leaving the organization in a position of uncertainty). Weren't we all talking about drafing Tebow? Not even a sizeable discussion without this incident. He put the Steelers in a position of having to alter their draft strategy, a burden they would not otherwise have had. He owes the Steelers better than this.

It's not up to you or anyone else to decide how he lives his life.

Dude you are so over the line. It's not up to your or anyone else to decide how I should post on a message board. Perhaps you should think about what you are posting next time.

Now, since you are obviously obtuse let me explain it to you. When you go into a contract with someone who extends it to you in good faith and that involves their financial well-being you are bound (by honor, if you have any) to act in such a way that you do not jeapordize their good faith. Get it. Apparently not. You just like to flame people on this board with sorry-bad word, stupid-bad word "sweep away" type statements. You are also apparently pretty adept at putting words in people's mouths. But I guess, when it's your god-given right to put people in their place you don't question your own obvious stupidity. Way to go toolhead.

:roll: :roll: :roll:


:Clap

stlrz d
04-11-2010, 09:46 AM
Dude you are so over the line. It's not up to your or anyone else to decide how I should post on a message board. Perhaps you should think about what you are posting next time.

Don't get all bent out of shape because you're posting an opinion and then get called out by someone posting fact. Your opinion is that Ben should live his life differently. The fact is that it is up to him to decide how to live his life...not you or anyone else.


Now, since you are obviously obtuse let me explain it to you. When you go into a contract with someone who extends it to you in good faith and that involves their financial well-being you are bound (by honor, if you have any) to act in such a way that you do not jeapordize their good faith. Get it. Apparently not. You just like to flame people on this board with sorry-bad word, stupid-bad word "sweep away" type statements. You are also apparently pretty adept at putting words in people's mouths. But I guess, when it's your god-given right to put people in their place you don't question your own obvious stupidity. Way to go toolhead.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Go in your bathroom, look at yourself in the mirror and repeat 10 times, "Ben is a football player. His responsibility is to know the playbook and to do everything he can on the field to win football games. He is a free American just like me, and as long as he abides by the laws of this country, he is allowed to live his life as he chooses."

If it doesn't stick after 10 times continue with the process until it finally does. It would help if you'd get off your high horse before giving it a shot.

Glad I could help...I've got lots of tools in this bag. :)

stlrz d
04-11-2010, 09:50 AM
The fact that Ben isn't going to be charged doesn't mean he didn't do anything wrong. He didn't do anything CRIMINALLY wrong. He did exercise very poor judgment and that is wrong. He put himself at risk and the Steeler organization at risk (of false accusations sticking or at the very least hanging/pending, leaving the organization in a position of uncertainty). Weren't we all talking about drafing Tebow? Not even a sizeable discussion without this incident. He put the Steelers in a position of having to alter their draft strategy, a burden they would not otherwise have had. He owes the Steelers better than this.

It's not up to you or anyone else to decide how he lives his life.

Dude you are so over the line. It's not up to your or anyone else to decide how I should post on a message board. Perhaps you should think about what you are posting next time.

Now, since you are obviously obtuse let me explain it to you. When you go into a contract with someone who extends it to you in good faith and that involves their financial well-being you are bound (by honor, if you have any) to act in such a way that you do not jeapordize their good faith. Get it. Apparently not. You just like to flame people on this board with sorry-bad word, stupid-bad word "sweep away" type statements. You are also apparently pretty adept at putting words in people's mouths. But I guess, when it's your god-given right to put people in their place you don't question your own obvious stupidity. Way to go toolhead.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

The state of Kentucky tells me what I can do on and off the job. I can lose my license to practice for acts of non criminal moral turpitude. It can be very subjective. It's a privilage to have a medical license. It's a privilage to play in the NFL. These are not rights. The NFL has every right to tell Ben what he can and can not do on and off the field. If he doesn't like their rules he doesn't have to play. I'm sure this kind of thing goes for many professionals, lawyers, nurses, dentists etc.

Find me the morality clause in Ben's contract and I'll gladly eat my words.

Besides, there is still absolutely zero proof that he did anything wrong. He went out with friends and body guards. Someone accused him of sexual assault. That can happen anywhere he goes.

Btw, he's playing football, not saving lives. :)

Shawn
04-11-2010, 11:07 AM
[quote=SteelAbility]The fact that Ben isn't going to be charged doesn't mean he didn't do anything wrong. He didn't do anything CRIMINALLY wrong. He did exercise very poor judgment and that is wrong. He put himself at risk and the Steeler organization at risk (of false accusations sticking or at the very least hanging/pending, leaving the organization in a position of uncertainty). Weren't we all talking about drafing Tebow? Not even a sizeable discussion without this incident. He put the Steelers in a position of having to alter their draft strategy, a burden they would not otherwise have had. He owes the Steelers better than this.

It's not up to you or anyone else to decide how he lives his life.

Dude you are so over the line. It's not up to your or anyone else to decide how I should post on a message board. Perhaps you should think about what you are posting next time.

Now, since you are obviously obtuse let me explain it to you. When you go into a contract with someone who extends it to you in good faith and that involves their financial well-being you are bound (by honor, if you have any) to act in such a way that you do not jeapordize their good faith. Get it. Apparently not. You just like to flame people on this board with sorry-bad word, stupid-bad word "sweep away" type statements. You are also apparently pretty adept at putting words in people's mouths. But I guess, when it's your god-given right to put people in their place you don't question your own obvious stupidity. Way to go toolhead.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

The state of Kentucky tells me what I can do on and off the job. I can lose my license to practice for acts of non criminal moral turpitude. It can be very subjective. It's a privilage to have a medical license. It's a privilage to play in the NFL. These are not rights. The NFL has every right to tell Ben what he can and can not do on and off the field. If he doesn't like their rules he doesn't have to play. I'm sure this kind of thing goes for many professionals, lawyers, nurses, dentists etc.

Find me the morality clause in Ben's contract and I'll gladly eat my words.

Besides, there is still absolutely zero proof that he did anything wrong. He went out with friends and body guards. Someone accused him of sexual assault. That can happen anywhere he goes.

Btw, he's playing football, not saving lives. :)[/quote:3d5wjsj8]

There doesn't have to be a moral clause. By contract every NFL football player has wording in their contract that they need to obey the rules and disciplinary action of the NFL. They can say Ben we expect every player to break dance on the field or you will receive disciplinary action. They are within their rights to do so...and he needs to comply. He has two choices...fight it through the players union or do it. But in their world they run the show...and they most certainly can and will tell players what/what not to do on and off the field.

As for him not doing anything wrong...that's possible. I certainly don't see enough evidence to convict him in the court of law. I have no idea how the commissioner sees it though. Personally, I doubt he gets a suspension from the NFL. I don't think the Steelers will apply one either. Take that for what it's worth.

SteelAbility
04-11-2010, 01:16 PM
[quote=SteelAbility]The fact that Ben isn't going to be charged doesn't mean he didn't do anything wrong. He didn't do anything CRIMINALLY wrong. He did exercise very poor judgment and that is wrong. He put himself at risk and the Steeler organization at risk (of false accusations sticking or at the very least hanging/pending, leaving the organization in a position of uncertainty). Weren't we all talking about drafing Tebow? Not even a sizeable discussion without this incident. He put the Steelers in a position of having to alter their draft strategy, a burden they would not otherwise have had. He owes the Steelers better than this.

It's not up to you or anyone else to decide how he lives his life.

Dude you are so over the line. It's not up to your or anyone else to decide how I should post on a message board. Perhaps you should think about what you are posting next time.

Now, since you are obviously obtuse let me explain it to you. When you go into a contract with someone who extends it to you in good faith and that involves their financial well-being you are bound (by honor, if you have any) to act in such a way that you do not jeapordize their good faith. Get it. Apparently not. You just like to flame people on this board with sorry-bad word, stupid-bad word "sweep away" type statements. You are also apparently pretty adept at putting words in people's mouths. But I guess, when it's your god-given right to put people in their place you don't question your own obvious stupidity. Way to go toolhead.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

The state of Kentucky tells me what I can do on and off the job. I can lose my license to practice for acts of non criminal moral turpitude. It can be very subjective. It's a privilage to have a medical license. It's a privilage to play in the NFL. These are not rights. The NFL has every right to tell Ben what he can and can not do on and off the field. If he doesn't like their rules he doesn't have to play. I'm sure this kind of thing goes for many professionals, lawyers, nurses, dentists etc.

Find me the morality clause in Ben's contract and I'll gladly eat my words.

Besides, there is still absolutely zero proof that he did anything wrong. He went out with friends and body guards. Someone accused him of sexual assault. That can happen anywhere he goes.

Btw, he's playing football, not saving lives. :)[/quote:1cyucavz]

We're not talking about the morality of seeking sex from strangers. We're talking about incurred risk on someone else's account. With a pending civil suit alleging sexual misconduct already in place ... ok, I think you can probably do the risk analysis math there. The fact is that without this announcement, which the DA had no obligation to make at this time, the Steelers draft strategy was strained/compromised.

papillon
04-12-2010, 06:59 AM
[quote=SteelAbility]The fact that Ben isn't going to be charged doesn't mean he didn't do anything wrong. He didn't do anything CRIMINALLY wrong. He did exercise very poor judgment and that is wrong. He put himself at risk and the Steeler organization at risk (of false accusations sticking or at the very least hanging/pending, leaving the organization in a position of uncertainty). Weren't we all talking about drafing Tebow? Not even a sizeable discussion without this incident. He put the Steelers in a position of having to alter their draft strategy, a burden they would not otherwise have had. He owes the Steelers better than this.

It's not up to you or anyone else to decide how he lives his life.

Dude you are so over the line. It's not up to your or anyone else to decide how I should post on a message board. Perhaps you should think about what you are posting next time.

Now, since you are obviously obtuse let me explain it to you. When you go into a contract with someone who extends it to you in good faith and that involves their financial well-being you are bound (by honor, if you have any) to act in such a way that you do not jeapordize their good faith. Get it. Apparently not. You just like to flame people on this board with sorry-bad word, stupid-bad word "sweep away" type statements. You are also apparently pretty adept at putting words in people's mouths. But I guess, when it's your god-given right to put people in their place you don't question your own obvious stupidity. Way to go toolhead.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

The state of Kentucky tells me what I can do on and off the job. I can lose my license to practice for acts of non criminal moral turpitude. It can be very subjective. It's a privilage to have a medical license. It's a privilage to play in the NFL. These are not rights. The NFL has every right to tell Ben what he can and can not do on and off the field. If he doesn't like their rules he doesn't have to play. I'm sure this kind of thing goes for many professionals, lawyers, nurses, dentists etc.

Find me the morality clause in Ben's contract and I'll gladly eat my words.

Besides, there is still absolutely zero proof that he did anything wrong. He went out with friends and body guards. Someone accused him of sexual assault. That can happen anywhere he goes.

Btw, he's playing football, not saving lives. :)[/quote:1pn9jwro]

There isn't a morality clause in his contract but there is an unwritten responsibility clause to the Steeler football organization. If he's not up to the challenge of conducting his affairs appropriately or he believes that he is free to do as he pleases as "one of the guys" and he's unwilling to be responsible to his employer then he really should request a trade or find another vocation.

It's not that difficult to act and behave in a manner appropriate and befitting a player that was given 100 million dollars to be the face of the franchise, it comes with the territory.

He's made two mistakes and it appears that he may be getting off the hook for both, I doubt he has a third chance. If he's not charged today, I hope the Steeler organization suspends him for at least 1 game, maybe 2 would get him to realize that they have invested a lot of money him and expect him to produce on the field and behave off of it.

If you can't see that this isn't about being free or living your life the way you please well, then maybe a visit to the mirror (as you suggested someone else do) is in order and repeat the following:

Life isn't fair, it is what I make of it and when mistakes are made consequences ensue and this includes millionaire athletes.

10 times should do it, but if it doesn't repeat until it makes sense. :P

Pappy

NWNewell
04-12-2010, 10:36 AM
The fact that Ben isn't going to be charged doesn't mean he didn't do anything wrong. He didn't do anything CRIMINALLY wrong. He did exercise very poor judgment and that is wrong. He put himself at risk and the Steeler organization at risk (of false accusations sticking or at the very least hanging/pending, leaving the organization in a position of uncertainty). Weren't we all talking about drafing Tebow? Not even a sizeable discussion without this incident. He put the Steelers in a position of having to alter their draft strategy, a burden they would not otherwise have had. He owes the Steelers better than this.

It's not up to you or anyone else to decide how he lives his life.

To an extent... true enough. But at the same time, it is up to the Rooney's to employee and play those that they feel best help them achieve their organization's goals. And their goals are not purely to win, but also how they win. It's not up to us to decide how they handle the organization.

But myself and the vast majority of the general public expect to see a certain amount of civility, respect, and responsibility from their fellow man. To what extent typically differ's. But part of the reason I am such a Steelers fan is that in myself and the ownership are of similar minds on how a professional organization should go about their business, and I have significant respect for their principles and how they conduct themselves. Like many, I would like to see the Rooney's stick to their principles in a time such as this when they are tested.

In the past, I've Ben a big supporter of Ben. But no one player is above the franchise. I hope that the Rooney's end up agreeing with my perspective that this actions have been irresponsible and unacceptable conduct for a Steeler and take some disciplinary action (Wouldn't mind seeing a 1-game suspension to be honest). Then I'll go back to supporting Ben's play and I hope he learns from this experience and gets back to the point where I am supportive of his character off the field as well.

NWNewell
04-12-2010, 10:44 AM
Go in your bathroom, look at yourself in the mirror and repeat 10 times, "Ben is a football player. His responsibility is to know the playbook and to do everything he can on the field to win football games. He is a free American just like me, and as long as he abides by the laws of this country, he is allowed to live his life as he chooses."


I wish life was this black and white. Unfortunately, it's not. Myself, and the law, disagree with you.

You are accountable to your employer for more than just what you do while one the job. As you said, it is not up to them to tell you how to live your life. But it is up them if you are not the type of person they wish to have working for them.

ANPSTEEL
04-12-2010, 04:03 PM
Don't care if I get banned, don't care if I get flamed. But EFF all you Ben haters, you thrower under the bussers, you whateverthe reason you hatehim'ers.

Like I've said from day one, Ben did nothing wrong and is getting a very bad rap. he's owed an apology!


How do you feel about that now???

:?

Shawn
04-12-2010, 04:20 PM
Don't care if I get banned, don't care if I get flamed. But EFF all you Ben haters, you thrower under the bussers, you whateverthe reason you hatehim'ers.

Like I've said from day one, Ben did nothing wrong and is getting a very bad rap. he's owed an apology!


How do you feel about that now???

:?

I would say he feels exactly the same.

ANPSTEEL
04-12-2010, 04:54 PM
Don't care if I get banned, don't care if I get flamed. But EFF all you Ben haters, you thrower under the bussers, you whateverthe reason you hatehim'ers.

Like I've said from day one, Ben did nothing wrong and is getting a very bad rap. he's owed an apology!


How do you feel about that now???

:?

I would say he feels exactly the same.

I knew you'd jump in here.

:lol: :lol:

JAR
04-12-2010, 05:16 PM
Don't care if I get banned, don't care if I get flamed. But EFF all you Ben haters, you thrower under the bussers, you whateverthe reason you hatehim'ers.

Like I've said from day one, Ben did nothing wrong and is getting a very bad rap. he's owed an apology!


How do you feel about that now???

:?

Yup, still feel the exact same way.

stlrz d
04-12-2010, 06:29 PM
Go in your bathroom, look at yourself in the mirror and repeat 10 times, "Ben is a football player. His responsibility is to know the playbook and to do everything he can on the field to win football games. He is a free American just like me, and as long as he abides by the laws of this country, he is allowed to live his life as he chooses."


I wish life was this black and white. Unfortunately, it's not. Myself, and the law, disagree with you.

You are accountable to your employer for more than just what you do while one the job. As you said, it is not up to them to tell you how to live your life. But it is up them if you are not the type of person they wish to have working for them.

True. But that's all that's true.

Again, it's up to Ben to live his life how he wishes. And that goes in response to the other folks whom I did not quote. It's entirely up to Ben.

Shawn
04-12-2010, 06:31 PM
Don't care if I get banned, don't care if I get flamed. But EFF all you Ben haters, you thrower under the bussers, you whateverthe reason you hatehim'ers.

Like I've said from day one, Ben did nothing wrong and is getting a very bad rap. he's owed an apology!


How do you feel about that now???

:?

I would say he feels exactly the same.

I knew you'd jump in here.

:lol: :lol:

:moon

I remain forever truly yours,

Shawn

BlackJackGold
04-12-2010, 09:24 PM
ben looked like a common junkie in his press statement.

There is definately something really wrong with that guy.

NJ-STEELER
04-13-2010, 02:29 AM
ben looked like a common junkie in his press statement.

There is definately something really wrong with that guy.

shut the phuck up already


phuckin troll