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hawaiiansteel
04-03-2010, 06:28 PM
Head-to-head mock: Bradford firm at No. 1
By Nolan Nawrocki and Doug Farrar, Special to Yahoo! Sports
Mar 31, 1:21 pm EDT


With the 75th NFL draft now three weeks away, here’s our latest head-to-head mock draft. This week, we pit Pro Football Weekly vs. Shutdown Corner:


1. St. Louis

Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
The premium on the QB position makes Bradford the most valuable player in the draft from a trade standpoint. With so many holes on the roster, the Rams could benefit from trading down and acquiring more picks, but the greatest chance of executing a trade will come by selecting Bradford, who, if no trade is made, fills the Rams’ greatest need.

Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
Bradford looked completely comfortable throwing in his private workout on Monday. There’s still the issue of how he’ll hold up under pressure in the NFL, but barring a real surprise (or a team like the Redskins trading up to get him), Bradford had best start packing his bags for St. Louis. The Rams desperately need a franchise quarterback, and Bradford has the arm and accuracy to be that guy over time.

2. Detroit

Russell Okung, OT, Okla. State
Jeff Backus(notes) is 32 years old with 32½-inch arms, the shortest of any left tackle in the league, and he struggled to keep prized QB Matthew Stafford(notes) healthy in his first season at the helm. Lions’ brass has made an effort to draft more securely and, although Okung is not the most athletic offensive tackle, he is a very safe pick.

Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
Bradford may go with the first overall pick, but Suh is the best player in this draft. Head coach Jim Schwartz, formerly Tennessee’s defensive coordinator, knows all about what a dominant defensive tackle can do for a team. With his pursuit speed, ridiculous upper-body strength, ability to disrupt, and elite work ethic, Suh could exceed the greatness of Albert Haynesworth(notes) at his peak.

3. Tampa Bay

Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
The Buccaneers could be sitting in an enviable position with a huge need at defensive tackle and their choice of the draft’s best defender. The ability to consistently rush the passer should play into McCoy’s favor.

Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
One of the many challenges the Bucs face in returning their franchise to prominence is to rebuild a defensive line that allowed almost five yards per carry in 2009. McCoy is the perfect first solution, as he’s an outstanding run-stopper in several different ways.

4. Washington

Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
The key position in a “30” front is nose tackle, and the Redskins are counting on 31-year-old Ma’ake Kemoeatu, who is coming off an injury, to hold down the middle. Greater needs exist at the QB and OLT positions, but Mike Shanahan has shown he can make his quick-hitting offense function with average quarterbacks (Jake Plummer(notes), Brian Griese(notes)) and free- agent left tackles (Matt Lepsis(notes)). Daniel Snyder aggressively tried to acquire Jay Cutler(notes) and trade into position for Mark Sanchez(notes) last year and would like nothing more than to acquire a franchise quarterback. However, if the Redskins cannot move into position to land Bradford, they could find Suh too talented to pass up and welcome a centerpiece to their defense.

Russell Okung, OT, Okla. State
Shanahan may want his own quarterback down the road, but there’s wisdom in sticking with Jason Campbell(notes) in the here and now. Reason No. 1 is the necessity of finding Chris Samuels’(notes) replacement at left tackle. Campbell was under siege last year, and no other quarterback would fare better behind Washington’s current offensive line. Okung is the most developed tackle in this class, and the best pass protector. He doesn’t have elite drive-blocking power, and he’s a little stiff at the second level, but he’s a persistent blind side blocker with excellent in-line technique.

5. Kansas City

Eric Berry, FS, Tennessee
It’s difficult to justify spending top-five money on the safety position, but with more teams airing out the ball and picking apart secondaries, a new premium has been placed on defending the back half, where the Chiefs are sorely undermanned.

Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa
GM Scott Pioli has a longtime friendship with Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz, and he knows that teaching offensive linemen the basics and getting them fundamentally sound is Ferentz’s specialty. While not a top-level pass-blocker, Bulaga comes prepared for the pros more than most at his position. Where he excels is in creating rushing lanes, and extending plays with downfield blocks.

6. Seattle

Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
After relying on Walter Jones(notes) for so many years, the Seahawks need to find a replacement, and no one is better-suited for Alex Gibbs’ zone-blocking scheme than Williams.

Eric Berry, FS, Tennessee
Everybody knows that the Seahawks have desperate needs along their offensive line, but it’s quite possible that their secondary is even weaker. Berry could fill a void – he’s fast, smart, and tough, and he might just be the best defensive player in this draft not named Ndamukong Suh.

7. Cleveland

Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State
After shipping off Braylon Edwards(notes) and Kellen Winslow(notes), Derek Anderson(notes) struggled to function. If Mike Holmgren expects to get a return on the investment he made in Jake Delhomme, he will need at least one playmaker on offense. Bryant has the hands, body control and leaping ability to make an average quarterback look good.

Joe Haden, CB, Florida
Haden can play press man and is comfortable in zones; his read recognition is exceptional and he has the recovery speed to make up for any mistakes. The Browns have already put Haden through a private workout on the Florida campus and will bring him to Berea for a visit in early April.

8. Oakland

Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
There is no tape to support Campbell being drafted anywhere near this early, but Al Davis has not relied on football-playing evaluations for a long time. Instead, he drafts on numbers and perceived upside, and a physical marvel like Campbell could be too much for Davis to pass up.

Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
Williams moved from right to left tackle in 2009, and impressed more and more as the season went along with his ability to get the hang of the more complicated position. Williams has great feet, short-area-speed, and drive power. He’s not a finished product, but the evolutionary version could be a perennial Pro Bowler.

9. Buffalo

C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson
The Bills are legitimate contenders in the market for Donovan McNabb(notes), and he could provide a missing piece of the puzzle. But whether the Bills are able to upgrade the QB position, they could still sorely use a catalyst in the mold of Brian Westbrook(notes) to take over games, and Spiller has the ability to electrify.

Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee
The Bills need a nose tackle that can man the point and soak up double teams, while disrupting the middle as well. Williams is quick for his size, plays with great strength, and sets up in a wide base that makes him very difficult to move. If Williams doesn’t go here, he won’t make it past the Broncos and Dolphins at 11 and 12 – both 3-4 teams also need a nose tackle of his caliber.

10. Jacksonville

Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame
The Tim Tebow show is expected to come to Jacksonville, and it still may be a possibility – only if he is available in the second round and the Jaguars cannot address the position sooner. David Garrard(notes) has not been able to get the Jaguars over the hump, and a new offensive leader is needed.

Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
Slightly underrated as a corner/safety hybrid projection, Thomas is one of the best defensive playmakers in this draft class at any position. He led the nation with 24 passes defensed, and finished second with eight interceptions. Jacksonville has long been a home for physically talented DBs who couldn’t read a quarterback’s intentions if their lives depended on it. That changes with the selection of Thomas.

11. Denver
(from Chicago)

Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa
The Broncos are as sound on the edges as any team could be, with Ryan Clady(notes) and Ryan Harris(notes) very capably manning the corners. However, if they want to pound the ball, they need a more physical temperament on the inside, and Bulaga could add it to the ground game from Day 1.

Rolando McClain, MLB, Alabama
What the Broncos need is the kind of young franchise player on the defensive side who will establish a culture of accountability just as much as he brings it on the field. McClain is as tough as they come, both mentally and physically – he practically lives in the film room and he never missed a game for the Crimson Tide.

12. Miami

Taylor Mays, S, USC
Earl Thomas is a more instinctive, ballhawking defender and more worthy of being the second safety off the board. However, Bill Parcells is too enticed by size and will be thinking he can mold Mays, an immature physical specimen, into a player.

Brandon Graham, DE, Michigan
Graham’s utterly dominant performance at the Senior Bowl showcased a player who recorded 10½ sacks and 26 tackles for loss in the 2009 season. Graham and former CFL star Cameron Wake will give new defensive coordinator Mike Nolan the kind of quarterback pressure he needs to turn that defense around.

13. San Francisco

Rolando McClain, MLB, Alabama
Pairing McClain with Patrick Willis(notes) at inside ‘backer could give the Niners a dominant duo to defend the middle. Quintessential pro Takeo Spikes(notes) is entering his 13th season and soon will need to be replaced.

Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
Davis has some question marks regarding his technique and work ethic, but he’s a very good pass-blocker with a good punch when opening lanes for running backs. Perhaps a supreme motivator like Mike Singletary could keep Davis’ head straight, allowing him to live up to his potential.

14. Seattle
(from Denver)

Derrick Morgan, DE, Ga. Tech
Dealing Darryl Tapp(notes) to the Eagles only increases the Seahawks’ need for an end, even if they received Chris Clemons in exchange. Patrick Kerney(notes) is 33, has lost a step and has not been able to stay healthy, and Morgan can ably step in to replace him.

C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson
Spiller may be the ultimate weapon for an offense like Seattle’s, in which production has lagged at most every position. Not only can he bounce outside from the backfield and speed past defenders, he can also line up in the slot and wide as a receiver – in fact, he’d be a second-day pick as a receiver alone.

15. N.Y. Giants

Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma
Kevin Boss(notes) has limitations, and Travis Beckum(notes) was a disappointment as a rookie. The Giants could open up their offense considerably if they were able to stretch the seam more consistently, as Gresham is very capable of doing.

Ryan Mathews, RB, Fresno State
Jacobs frequently ran as if there was a stop sign at the line of scrimmage, and though Ahmad Bradshaw(notes) was more efficient, he’s recovering from surgeries to both feet and his ankle. Mathews, who led the nation in rushing last season, has a rare combination of size, speed, and versatility that could help the Giants transition out of the “Earth, Wind, and Fire” era.

16. Tennessee

Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas
Owner Bud Adams still makes his residence in Houston and has an affinity for Texas-grown talent, with these four starters (Vince Young(notes), Michael Griffin(notes), Bo Scaife(notes), Ahmard Hall(notes)) all hailing from Longhorn country. Kindle is best with his hand on the ground and could bring the edge burst the Titans are seeking to ramp up their pass rush.

Derrick Morgan, DE, Ga. Tech
Tennessee’s formerly dominant defensive line has dropped off in recent years; losing Kyle Vanden Bosch(notes) to the Lions was just the latest hit. In replacing Vanden Bosch, the Titans need an end that can do double-duty as an edge rusher and run-stopper. At 6-3 and 266 pounds, Morgan has the do-it-all skill set needed – it’s the upside to the occasional concerns that his pass rush alone isn’t elite.

17. San Francisco
(from Carolina)

Joe Haden, CB, Florida
With Nate Clements(notes) struggling last season and the Niners lacking a true No. 1 corner, Haden would fill a strong area of need and give coordinator Greg Manusky the chance to be more creative with pressure packages.

Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame
Clausen was productive in the right kind of system at Notre Dame, but a good dose of film review should have a lot of teams balking in the end. He’s got a very limited palette when it comes to deep throws, and he telegraphs his reads far too frequently. That doesn’t make him a bust, but it also doesn’t make him a top-five quarterback.

18. Pittsburgh

Mike Iupati, G, Idaho
Chris Kemoeatu(notes) turned out to be a very solid find for the Steelers in the sixth round, possessing the power desired to clear holes in the running game. Iupati could be paired with Kemoeatu to establish the physical running game Mike Tomlin is seeking to re-establish after taking to the air much more often last season, and Iupati’s versatility is a big plus on a line with a number of holes.

Maurkice Pouncey, C, Florida
When it’s time to turn away from the police blotter and head back to the draft board, they’ll see what’s been staring them in the face for at least two seasons – their offensive line is a problem from left to right. Pouncey brings experience with the shotgun snap favored by offensive coordinator Bruce Arians (in 2009, Pittsburgh ran shotgun plays 40.1 percent of the time, fifth in the league) as well as the size and drive-blocking ability needed in a line that’s become less powerful in the middle.

19. Atlanta

Brandon Graham, DE, Michigan
The Falcons did not get enough from their pass rush last season, with rookie DT Peria Jerry(notes) being shelved because of injury and DE Jamaal Anderson(notes) struggling to produce a sack per season in his three years as a starter since Rich McKay and Bobby Petrino made him the eighth overall selection. Graham has enough strength to stack the run and much better foot energy to rush the passer and would upgrade the Falcons’ rush.

Jason-Pierre Paul, DE, S. Florida
Two things kept the Falcons out of the playoffs in 2009 – a below-average pass rush, and a secondary that allowed too many big plays. GM Thomas Dimitroff took care of the latter need with the signing of cornerback Dunta Robinson(notes). Pierre-Paul could solve the first issue in a way that the disappointing Anderson never could.

20. Houston

Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
Bernard Pollard(notes) turned out to be a bargain pickup for the Texans, but Eugene Wilson’s(notes) inability to stay healthy remains an issue, and he may have more value at cornerback, where the Texans are now short after letting Dunta Robinson enter free agency. Thomas is also instinctive and athletic enough to help at corner or safety and could contribute immediately.

Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise State
In losing Robinson, the Texans turn to Wilson to fill the gap. Though Houston plays more zone than man defense, and Wilson has the chops to step right into that scheme, his best ability may be the way he turns his hips and trails deep receivers out of initial press coverage. When you’re facing Peyton Manning(notes) twice a year, that’s a very valuable asset.

21. Cincinnati

Everson Griffen, DE, USC
The Bengals have a Trojan look, with Keith Rivers(notes) and Rey Maualuga(notes) manning the middle and Frostee Rucker(notes) coming off the bench. Antwan Odom(notes) is coming off a serious season-ending Achilles injury and may need to be upgraded. Griffen also gives the Bengals more flexibility to transition to “30” looks – something Mike Zimmer dabbled with a year ago.

Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State
The Bengals have long believed that they can find value in the draft by taking players whose stock has dropped due to ancillary issues, and Bryant certainly fits the mold. On the football side, Bryant does have the toughness over the middle and ability to get downfield after the catch that would make him a fine target for quarterback Carson Palmer(notes).

22. New England

Jared Odrick, DL, Penn State
Trading Richard Seymour(notes) to Oakland and letting Jarvis Green(notes) go to Denver in free agency created a void at right defensive end, where Odrick would ideally fit in the Patriots’ “30” look. His versatility would be attractive to a defensive mastermind.

Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas
As an award-level defender at end and outside linebacker, Kindle would be a great fit in coach Bill Belichick’s hybrid defenses that often switch between 3-4 and 4-3 fronts. Kindle’s not just an edge rusher, though – he can get downhill against the run and chase down the best offensive weapon.

23. Green Bay

Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
Mike McCarthy was able to adapt the offense last season and allow Aaron Rodgers(notes) to get rid of the ball more quickly, but a strong need still remains for edge help, with Chad Clifton(notes) and Mark Tauscher(notes) both on the wrong side of 30 and showing signs of wearing down. GM Ted Thompson has shown he will take some chances on players with character flaws.

Devin McCourty, CB, Rutgers
The 35-year-old Al Harris(notes) may miss pat of the season recovering from a knee injury, and Tramon Williams(notes) racked up over 100 yards in pass interference penalties in Harris’ stead. McCourty could make an impact right away with his speed and surprising toughness in tackling. He’s also an outstanding return man, something the Packers, with the moribund special teams, could certainly use.

24. Philadelphia

Sean Weatherspoon, LB, Mizzou
The Eagles were plagued by injuries at the LB position and are in need of more depth at the position, as they wore down defensively late in 2009. Weatherspoon brings the versatility to play multiple positions and the range highly desired in Sean McDermott’s defense.

Taylor Mays, S, USC
The Eagles have a need at free safety, and Mays has the kind of athleticism rarely seen at any position. The question is whether he can take his measurables to the field in a way that allows him to make a difference. An absolute terror in run support, Mays is still figuring out the complexities of pass coverage. Still, he can make an impact as a rover on a Eagles team that also has weaknesses at outside linebacker.

25. Baltimore

Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee
With Kelly Gregg(notes) aging and the Ravens losing Justin Bannan(notes) to the Broncos in free agency, Greg Mattison could use more help in his defensive line rotation. Williams is ideally suited for the Ravens’ movement front and could be too difficult to pass up despite more pressing concerns at cornerback.

Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma
With Todd Heap(notes) getting up in age and Joe Flacco(notes) needing as many reliable targets as possible, Gresham would be a great fit here. People will look at Gresham’s size and debit him for not being as physical at the line as other big tight ends, but Gresham projects better as a downfield threat – think more Antonio Gates(notes) than Brandon Pettigrew(notes).

26. Arizona

Demaryius Thomas, WR, Ga. Tech
After shipping off Anquan Boldin(notes) to Baltimore and losing Kurt Warner(notes) to retirement, the Cardinals could use another physical, run-after-the-catch receiver to alleviate pressure on Matt Leinart(notes) or Derek Anderson.

Jared Odrick, DL, Penn State
In Bill Davis’ gap control defense, it’s crucial that the front three and four are able to hold the point and prevent big plays up the middle. Odrick doesn’t have the sheer weight the Cards will need at some point in the draft, but he has the kind of end-tackle versatility that could be a perfect fit for Arizona’s front seven.

27. Dallas

Patrick Robinson, CB, Fla. State
With one of the deepest rosters in football, Jerry Jones can afford to draft the best available player as opposed to filling a need and could go any number of ways. However, Robinson has the size and man-cover skills Wade Phillips desires.

Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
At 6-foot-7 and 315 pounds, Campbell has the size required on Dallas’ line, plus elite raw athleticism. He doesn’t project as well on game tape, but Jerry Jones has never shied away from project players.

28. San Diego

Devin McCourty, CB, Rutgers
Despite a glaring need for a bell-cow back, where Fresno State’s Ryan Mathews could look appealing, the Chargers have a considerable need to fill at cornerback after dealing Antonio Cromartie(notes) to the Jets, and McCourty’s toughness and special-teams ability should be attractive to A.J. Smith.

Terrence Cody, DT, Alabama
Cody didn’t live on many first-round draft boards until he dropped to about 350 pounds and showed improved short-area speed and agility at Alabama’s pro day. Maintaining a better fitness level will be his key to transcending the two-down basher label, and being worthy of a first-round grade.

29. N.Y. Jets

Vladimir Ducasse, OT, Mass.
The Jets have one of the best offensive lines in football, but ORT Damien Woody(notes) and OLG Alan Faneca(notes) are not getting any younger, and Ducasse could greatly benefit from being groomed in their presence.

Mike Iupati, G, Idaho
Adding Iupati to the left side of that line might make it the best in the NFL. Considered by some to have the agility to kick out to left tackle someday, Iupati has an outstanding group of attributes – he’s great in pass pro, a nasty run blocker, and can move on pulls and slides.

30. Minnesota

Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise State
Cedric Griffin(notes) and Antoine Winfield(notes) are both coming off injury-riddled seasons, and Wilson fits a similar mold as a feisty, physical competitor and could help in nickel situations.

Patrick Robinson, CB, Fla. State
Robinson might balk out of coverage assignments in Minnesota’s frequent zone schemes, but he’s also got the recovery speed to make up for any mistakes. A potential shutdown corner over time.

31. Indianapolis

Maurkice Pouncey, C, Florida
Jeff Saturday(notes) is not getting any younger, and the Colts need to get bigger in the trenches if they want to run the ball with more success. Pouncey has the girth to match big-on-big and handle the space eaters who are becoming more common in AFC fronts.

Brian Price, DT, UCLA
The Colts moved from a series of vanilla Cover/Tampa-2 schemes under Tony Dungy to a more aggressive set of defensive looks under new coordinator Larry Coyer in 2009. Adding Price to that mix would be a wise move, as he has rare ability to blast through blocks and make plays in the backfield.

32. New Orleans

Jason-Pierre Paul, DE, S. Florida
The Saints need to replace the pass rush they lost after cutting Charles Grant(notes) and could be very tempted by the raw physical tools of Pierre-Paul if he happens to slide to the Super Bowl champs, as he potentially could.

Jerry Hughes, DE, TCU
While Scott Fujita’s(notes) departure to Cleveland leaves a hole at outside linebacker, the Saints also require more pass rush with Gregg Williams’s hyper-aggressive defenses. Hughes mirrors that versatility –- while he may be a bit undersized to survive as a 4-3 end, Williams would no doubt find many different uses for his edge speed and run-stopping ability.

frankthetank1
04-03-2010, 06:41 PM
i would hate either iupati or pouncey at #18. i wouldnt even want pouncey in the second round

Discipline of Steel
04-03-2010, 07:00 PM
i would hate either iupati or pouncey at #18. i wouldnt even want pouncey in the second round

:Agree

D-fense :tt1

Sugar
04-03-2010, 10:46 PM
It's funny because on the Official Steelers board, the fans there seem to think that Pouncey is the knees of the bee. Some there have even said that the Steelers would be almost irresponsible with any other pick.

Here, nobody seems to want him- at least not that badly anyway.

I guess the FO won't be able to please everyone.

winwithd
04-03-2010, 11:06 PM
As I scrolled down the board one pick at a time I was trying to keep track of who was left. After I looked at 17 I thought I might see both of them with Kyle Wilson at #18. I am getting more excited about the possibility of Wilson at 18. While it would be nice to blow open some holes in the middle for a short-yardage run game and help run out the clock in the fourth, Wilson does seem to make plays in the secondary. I think JD Walton from Baylor(?) and the guard from Arkansas sound like good possibilities a little later on. Maybe we could trade up and still get Pouncey late in the first if they really like him that much. The one guy had a point that Arians loves his shotgun formation, and Pouncey is familiar with that.

If Iupati, Pouncey, and Wilson are left on the board at #18 I guess it will come down to what the Steelers see as a bigger need, running game or pass defense. I say the secondary needs more help, at least it did when Troy was out.

I thought we needed to pass to set up the run and I would like to be balanced enough to be able to go either way with that. I think Wallace's deep threat really opened up a lot of things until we got to the red zone and his speed was not as much of a threat anymore. Then the weak run game really showed.

On another note I saw that Aaron Smith was cleared by doctors to got full-tilt with his shoulder. Good to hear.

Shawn
04-03-2010, 11:23 PM
i would hate either iupati or pouncey at #18. i wouldnt even want pouncey in the second round


Is that because of your astute analysis of center talent or because of what you read? I'm not sure I get the hatred for Pouncey. The guy is the real deal.

Now if you are saying you dont want to take any interior lineman at 18...that I get. And that I would agree with. But, I wouldn't cry over really anyone we will take at 18.

We will likely take one of the following guys...and I'm ok with any of them.

Iupati
Pouncey
Graham
Thomas
Haden
Odrick
Spiller
Mays
Williams
Weatherspoon
McClain

A future Steeler is somewhere in that list. And I believe they can all play ball.

RuthlessBurgher
04-03-2010, 11:54 PM
It's funny because on the Official Steelers board, the fans there seem to think that Pouncey is the knees of the bee. Some there have even said that the Steelers would be almost irresponsible with any other pick.

Here, nobody seems to want him- at least not that badly anyway.

I guess the FO won't be able to please everyone.

MaxAMillion has been calling himself Pounceyman on here for a while.

Personally, I would prefer to go elsewhere at #18 (Earl Thomas, if he were available, for example), then possibly package our 2nd and 3rd to get another guy that we really like who is expected to be available in the late-first, early second round area, such as Pouncey or Jared Odrick or Jerry Hughes, etc.

hawaiiansteel
04-04-2010, 12:05 AM
It's funny because on the Official Steelers board, the fans there seem to think that Pouncey is the knees of the bee. Some there have even said that the Steelers would be almost irresponsible with any other pick.

Here, nobody seems to want him- at least not that badly anyway.

I guess the FO won't be able to please everyone.


the Steelers tried very hard to acquire a center in last year's draft, do you think that another year of watching Justin Hartwig get no push whatsoever in the center of our line has changed the Steelers' minds to where they are not going to try to get another center again in this year's draft?



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NJ-STEELER
04-04-2010, 02:46 AM
i would hate either iupati or pouncey at #18. i wouldnt even want pouncey in the second round


Is that because of your astute analysis of center talent or because of what you read? I'm not sure I get the hatred for Pouncey. The guy is the real deal.

Now if you are saying you dont want to take any interior lineman at 18...that I get. And that I would agree with. But, I wouldn't cry over really anyone we will take at 18.

We will likely take one of the following guys...and I'm ok with any of them.

Iupati
Pouncey
Graham
Thomas
Haden
Odrick
Spiller
Mays
Williams
Weatherspoon
McClain

A future Steeler is somewhere in that list. And I believe they can all play ball.

add wilson

and i think you can take out
odrick (not another DE with drafting hood last year)
spiller (gone)
haden (gone)
graham (cant see them drafting an OLB with so many other needs)

1 of those 8 will be our pick at #18

grotonsteel
04-04-2010, 02:57 AM
i would hate either iupati or pouncey at #18. i wouldnt even want pouncey in the second round


Is that because of your astute analysis of center talent or because of what you read? I'm not sure I get the hatred for Pouncey. The guy is the real deal.

Now if you are saying you dont want to take any interior lineman at 18...that I get. And that I would agree with. But, I wouldn't cry over really anyone we will take at 18.

We will likely take one of the following guys...and I'm ok with any of them.

Iupati
Pouncey
Graham
Thomas
Haden
Odrick
Spiller
Mays
Williams
Weatherspoon
McClain

A future Steeler is somewhere in that list. And I believe they can all play ball.

I think one of those players will be selected at 18. I am hoping its Earl Thomas. I would not mind selecting any Defensive player at 18 or trading up for Eric Berry as RB suggested.

I hope it is not Iupati or Pouncey at 18. I think 18 is too high for selecting a Guard/Center.

steeler_george
04-04-2010, 12:02 PM
I think that a strong OL makes a good D great, and the skill players on O special players.

Hopefully we do get a stronger more physical offensive line this year via draft... but how we go about it i don't know. Is Iupati and Pouncey the solution? I like both these players, but where do we select them ? Are they worth losing the pick of a playmaker in the DB or a future LB stud?

Take note according to this mock, look where they are both next selected Iupati (jets 29) and Pouncey ( indy 31). hmmm... 18 to 29 & 31 overdrafting?

I have been on the Thomas, Haden, Wilson, Weahterspoon, McClain, Oderick, Iupati, and Pouncey first round band wagon. Any of these picks I will be more than cool with. Even cooler with a game plan of selecting a (BPA) OL/DB or vice versa in the first 2 rounds please.

Is possible to pick Wilson at 18 and still trading up and get Iupati or Pauncey? What would it require us to move up into the end of round 1?

ANPSTEEL
04-04-2010, 12:19 PM
It's funny because on the Official Steelers board, the fans there seem to think that Pouncey is the knees of the bee. Some there have even said that the Steelers would be almost irresponsible with any other pick.

Here, nobody seems to want him- at least not that badly anyway.

I guess the FO won't be able to please everyone.


the Steelers tried very hard to acquire a center in last year's draft, do you think that another year of watching Justin Hartwig get no push whatsoever in the center of our line has changed the Steelers' minds to where they are not going to try to get another center again in this year's draft?



http://www.sptimes.com/2007/11/07/images/tb_gators_pouncey450.jpg http://godlysheep.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/bees-knees.jpg

I think you are absolutely correct. I think they draft Pouncey as well. For the reasons you indicate. Plus- they could probably put him in at RG while he learns the line calls.

But I do think he'd have the best chance of any player they might draft- to start right away.

Shawn
04-04-2010, 12:40 PM
I think that a strong OL makes a good D great, and the skill players on O special players.

Hopefully we do get a stronger more physical offensive line this year via draft... but how we go about it i don't know. Is Iupati and Pouncey the solution? I like both these players, but where do we select them ? Are they worth losing the pick of a playmaker in the DB or a future LB stud?

Take note according to this mock, look where they are both next selected Iupati (jets 29) and Pouncey ( indy 31). hmmm... 18 to 29 & 31 overdrafting?

I have been on the Thomas, Haden, Wilson, Weahterspoon, McClain, Oderick, Iupati, and Pouncey first round band wagon. Any of these picks I will be more than cool with. Even cooler with a game plan of selecting a (BPA) OL/DB or vice versa in the first 2 rounds please.

Is possible to pick Wilson at 18 and still trading up and get Iupati or Pauncey? What would it require us to move up into the end of round 1?

Iupati and Pouncey are reaches at 18 IMO. Not because they can't play but because of position. If both are there...I would love to trade down to grab one. I would prefer Pouncey as he is the more polished of the two. Iupati is alot of raw talent...higher upside but also more room to bust out.

IMO Graham is a top 10 talent. If there even though we might not have a huge need...he might be too much to pass up.

Thomas is a no brainer if he is there at 18.

hawaiiansteel
04-04-2010, 01:38 PM
It's funny because on the Official Steelers board, the fans there seem to think that Pouncey is the knees of the bee. Some there have even said that the Steelers would be almost irresponsible with any other pick.

Here, nobody seems to want him- at least not that badly anyway.

I guess the FO won't be able to please everyone.

MaxAMillion has been calling himself Pounceyman on here for a while.

Personally, I would prefer to go elsewhere at #18 (Earl Thomas, if he were available, for example), then possibly package our 2nd and 3rd to get another guy that we really like who is expected to be available in the late-first, early second round area, such as Pouncey or Jared Odrick or Jerry Hughes, etc.




Hey RB, you might be able to watch Eric Berry every year when the Browns come to Pittsburgh...


Trade could clear way for Eric Berry to land with Browns

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on April 4, 2010


The Browns have spackled their hole at cornerback by acquiring Sheldon Brown, thus freeing the team up to draft Tennessee safety Eric Berry with the No. 7 overall pick.

That's the theory anyway.

The Akron Beacon-Journal and the Cleveland Plain-Dealer both think the Browns latest trade could have a ripple effect. There is growing chatter about Berry in Cleveland, and Terry Pluto writes the Browns should no longer feel pressure to take Florida cornerback Joe Haden that high.

We're not sure Haden ever had a real chance to be taken No. 7 overall, and it seems counterproductive to change any draft plans based on a 31-year-old cornerback like Brown.

Cleveland might just be the toughest team to project in the top ten because they have so many needs to fill. They just need impact players.

Berry, who is the highest touted safety to come out since Sean Taylor, fits that mold.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... th-browns/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/04/trade-could-clear-way-for-eric-berry-to-land-with-browns/)

hawaiiansteel
04-04-2010, 02:02 PM
i would hate either iupati or pouncey at #18. i wouldnt even want pouncey in the second round


Is that because of your astute analysis of center talent or because of what you read? I'm not sure I get the hatred for Pouncey. The guy is the real deal.

Now if you are saying you dont want to take any interior lineman at 18...that I get. And that I would agree with. But, I wouldn't cry over really anyone we will take at 18.

We will likely take one of the following guys...and I'm ok with any of them.

Iupati
Pouncey
Graham
Thomas
Haden
Odrick
Spiller
Mays
Williams
Weatherspoon
McClain

A future Steeler is somewhere in that list. And I believe they can all play ball.



you can go ahead and take Taylor Mays off your list -



Some items gleaned from my PG Plus slog (Steelers log):

• Casey Hampton is busy working out at the Steelers' facility. Normally, Hampton prefers to remain at home in Texas in the offseason. That is where he spent most of his time last year.

Not this year. He has been working out at the team facility and likely will participate in much of the OTAs this year. Maybe he is trying to show that he won't get fat just because he signed a new contract that averages more than $7 million annually.

• Forget the safety from Southern California, Taylor Mays. Mike Tomlin does not like him, not high in the draft anyway. He put up good numbers at the combine, but not good performances during last season. Remember what Deion Sanders said about Mays? He's right on as far as the Steelers are concerned. Here is a safety Tomlin does like: Kam Chancellor of Virginia Tech, a big man at 6-3, 231. He's not a first-rounder, but then the Steelers no longer have an interest in drafting a safety on the first round.

• Frank Summers, who had back surgery during his rookie season, has been working out daily with his teammates and looks good. He will be a bonus in their backfield if his back is strong and maybe be what they call in hockey a mucker and grinder in their backfield, particularly in short yardage. He could be a hammer back there to complement Rashard Mendenhall. However, you must put him in the "if" category now because he has not shown it in Pittsburgh yet.

• There really are not one or two positions the Steelers need to fill over others in the draft. There are more than that, which is why you cannot say they will take this, that or the other thing. Would it surprise anyone, for instance, if they drafted a linebacker on the first round? A guard? Tackle? Defensive lineman? Cornerback? And, depending on what happens over the next three weeks, a quarterback?



Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10094/10 ... z0k7CGZMTc

flippy
04-04-2010, 02:35 PM
No way this draft happens this way.

Thomas or Wilson are available 2 picks later in each draft and would be way better picks.

hawaiiansteel
04-04-2010, 06:50 PM
I think that a strong OL makes a good D great, and the skill players on O special players.

Hopefully we do get a stronger more physical offensive line this year via draft... but how we go about it i don't know. Is Iupati and Pouncey the solution? I like both these players, but where do we select them ? Are they worth losing the pick of a playmaker in the DB or a future LB stud?

Take note according to this mock, look where they are both next selected Iupati (jets 29) and Pouncey ( indy 31). hmmm... 18 to 29 & 31 overdrafting?

I have been on the Thomas, Haden, Wilson, Weahterspoon, McClain, Oderick, Iupati, and Pouncey first round band wagon. Any of these picks I will be more than cool with. Even cooler with a game plan of selecting a (BPA) OL/DB or vice versa in the first 2 rounds please.

Is possible to pick Wilson at 18 and still trading up and get Iupati or Pauncey? What would it require us to move up into the end of round 1?


let's say we traded back into the end of the first round with the Saints who hold the #32 spot.

we would have to give up our 2nd (#52), 3rd (#82) and 5th (#151) round picks.

pretty steep, but might be worth it if a player we really love is still available.

RuthlessBurgher
04-05-2010, 10:39 AM
It's funny because on the Official Steelers board, the fans there seem to think that Pouncey is the knees of the bee. Some there have even said that the Steelers would be almost irresponsible with any other pick.

Here, nobody seems to want him- at least not that badly anyway.

I guess the FO won't be able to please everyone.

MaxAMillion has been calling himself Pounceyman on here for a while.

Personally, I would prefer to go elsewhere at #18 (Earl Thomas, if he were available, for example), then possibly package our 2nd and 3rd to get another guy that we really like who is expected to be available in the late-first, early second round area, such as Pouncey or Jared Odrick or Jerry Hughes, etc.




Hey RB, you might be able to watch Eric Berry every year when the Browns come to Pittsburgh...


Trade could clear way for Eric Berry to land with Browns

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on April 4, 2010


The Browns have spackled their hole at cornerback by acquiring Sheldon Brown, thus freeing the team up to draft Tennessee safety Eric Berry with the No. 7 overall pick.

That's the theory anyway.

The Akron Beacon-Journal and the Cleveland Plain-Dealer both think the Browns latest trade could have a ripple effect. There is growing chatter about Berry in Cleveland, and Terry Pluto writes the Browns should no longer feel pressure to take Florida cornerback Joe Haden that high.

We're not sure Haden ever had a real chance to be taken No. 7 overall, and it seems counterproductive to change any draft plans based on a 31-year-old cornerback like Brown.

Cleveland might just be the toughest team to project in the top ten because they have so many needs to fill. They just need impact players.

Berry, who is the highest touted safety to come out since Sean Taylor, fits that mold.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... th-browns/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/04/trade-could-clear-way-for-eric-berry-to-land-with-browns/)

That sure would suck. The guy I wanted us to draft last year (Alex Mack) ended up in Cleveland after they traded down time-after-time-after-time in the first round, so I would be royally ticked if "my guy" ends up as a Brown two years in a row.

There is a possibility that Cleveland could respond to the Shaun Rogers loaded-gun-in-the-airport situation (might face up to 18 months of prison time...and after the Plaxico sentencing, anything is possible) by taking Dan Williams (Mangini values a strong NT for his 3-4 defense...when he was with the Jets, he traded for Kris Jenkins).

There is also a possibly that K.C. or Seattle could take Berry before Cleveland has a shot at him, but I am still holding out hope that teams don't value safeties as much as other positions in the top 10, and he falls to #10, where we could possibly trade up for him. Stranger things have happened.

http://www.dreamstime.com/ok-and-fingers-crossed-thumb1475437.jpg

flippy
04-05-2010, 12:03 PM
If Berry drops to 5, I think we should see if we could somehow go up and get him.

How great would it be to trade 1 pick ahead of Mangini and take Berry right out from under him like he did to us with Revis?

The other reason I hope he drops is the further down he goes means the further down Earl potentially goes.

RuthlessBurgher
04-05-2010, 12:55 PM
If Berry drops to 5, I think we should see if we could somehow go up and get him.

How great would it be to trade 1 pick ahead of Mangini and take Berry right out from under him like he did to us with Revis?

The other reason I hope he drops is the further down he goes means the further down Earl potentially goes.

The #5 pick is worth 1700 points.

Our tradeable picks are worth 900, 380, 180, 62, 31, 17, and 3 (Total: 1573).

That might be close enough to able to get you to Seattle's pick at #6 worth 1600 points (it's still one spot ahead of Cleveland at #7), but no one since Ditka and the Saints has anyone traded away a pick in all 7 rounds to get one guy. Ain't happening. No way.

The only realistic trade-up scenario into the top 5 or 6 picks would involve our first round picks this year and next year, which even I (with the big-time man-crush on Berry) would not be willing to invest.

I think Berry only comes into play if he somehow drops to #10 because of teams undervaluing the safety position (and Jacksonville should be happy to move down in that case and re-coup the 2nd round pick they traded to New England last year). They want Tebow to sell tickets, and #10 is too early and their next pick in the 3rd round appears like it will be too late.

hawaiiansteel
04-05-2010, 03:06 PM
It's funny because on the Official Steelers board, the fans there seem to think that Pouncey is the knees of the bee. Some there have even said that the Steelers would be almost irresponsible with any other pick.

Here, nobody seems to want him- at least not that badly anyway.

I guess the FO won't be able to please everyone.

MaxAMillion has been calling himself Pounceyman on here for a while.

Personally, I would prefer to go elsewhere at #18 (Earl Thomas, if he were available, for example), then possibly package our 2nd and 3rd to get another guy that we really like who is expected to be available in the late-first, early second round area, such as Pouncey or Jared Odrick or Jerry Hughes, etc.




Hey RB, you might be able to watch Eric Berry every year when the Browns come to Pittsburgh...


Trade could clear way for Eric Berry to land with Browns

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on April 4, 2010


The Browns have spackled their hole at cornerback by acquiring Sheldon Brown, thus freeing the team up to draft Tennessee safety Eric Berry with the No. 7 overall pick.

That's the theory anyway.

The Akron Beacon-Journal and the Cleveland Plain-Dealer both think the Browns latest trade could have a ripple effect. There is growing chatter about Berry in Cleveland, and Terry Pluto writes the Browns should no longer feel pressure to take Florida cornerback Joe Haden that high.

We're not sure Haden ever had a real chance to be taken No. 7 overall, and it seems counterproductive to change any draft plans based on a 31-year-old cornerback like Brown.

Cleveland might just be the toughest team to project in the top ten because they have so many needs to fill. They just need impact players.

Berry, who is the highest touted safety to come out since Sean Taylor, fits that mold.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... th-browns/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/04/trade-could-clear-way-for-eric-berry-to-land-with-browns/)

That sure would suck. The guy I wanted us to draft last year (Alex Mack) ended up in Cleveland after they traded down time-after-time-after-time in the first round, so I would be royally ticked if "my guy" ends up as a Brown two years in a row.

There is a possibility that Cleveland could respond to the Shaun Rogers loaded-gun-in-the-airport situation (might face up to 18 months of prison time...and after the Plaxico sentencing, anything is possible) by taking Dan Williams (Mangini values a strong NT for his 3-4 defense...when he was with the Jets, he traded for Kris Jenkins).

There is also a possibly that K.C. or Seattle could take Berry before Cleveland has a shot at him, but I am still holding out hope that teams don't value safeties as much as other positions in the top 10, and he falls to #10, where we could possibly trade up for him. Stranger things have happened.

http://www.dreamstime.com/ok-and-fingers-crossed-thumb1475437.jpg



a lot of smoke being blown right before the draft, here's a new one regarding the Browns -


Jared Odrick is the latest player connected to Browns

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on April 5, 2010


With most draft boards largely established, we've officially entered the silly season for NFL draft rumors. So keep this one in perspective.

The Cleveland Plain-Dealer cites a league source that the Browns are "right on" Penn State defensive lineman Jared Odrick as a potential pick at No. 7 overall. The intelligent, versatile lineman was originally pegged as a late first-round pick at best by the draftniks, but that always seemed too low.

Odrick is a tailor-made 3-4 defensive end known for his great work ethic. Guys like that don't fall far, even if they aren't flashy. Just ask Tyson Jackson.

Then again, this news may just be floated to counteract the growing Eric Berry chatter in Cleveland.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... to-browns/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/05/jared-odrick-is-the-latest-player-connected-to-browns/)