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Dee Dub
04-01-2010, 12:08 PM
Sean Weatherspoon over Brandon Graham
Taylor Mays over Earl Thomas
Kyle Wilson over Joe Haden
Ryan Matthews over C.J. Spillar
Dominique Franks over Patrick Robinson
Kareem Jackson over Patrick Robinson
Jared Odrick over Gerald McCoy
Golden Tate over Dez Bryant
Tyson Alualu over Everson Griffin
J.D. Walton over Matt Tennant

RuthlessBurgher
04-01-2010, 12:17 PM
Sean Weatherspoon over Brandon Graham

One would be an ILB in our system while the other would be an OLB, so it is not an apples to apples comparison. I like both players and have them rated similarly.

Taylor Mays over Earl Thomas

Not me.

Kyle Wilson over Joe Haden

Nope.

Ryan Matthews over C.J. Spillar

Matthews is more of an every-down back, yes. But Spillar has more raw talent, and could be tremendous as a complementary back (but not as a bell-cow)

Dominique Franks over Patrick Robinson

Not a big Patrick Robinson fan here. They are close, but I think I'd rather Franks for us.

Kareem Jackson over Patrick Robinson

Yup.

Jared Odrick over Gerald McCoy

No way.

Golden Tate over Dez Bryant

No.

Tyson Alualu over Everson Griffin

Again, two different positions, so not an obvious comparison. In a 4-3, Alualu would be a DT and Griffin would be a DE. In a 3-4, Alualu would be a DE and Griffin would be a OLB. I think there is more value taking Alualu in the second than Griffin in the first, though.

J.D. Walton over Matt Tennant

Agreed.

NW Steeler
04-01-2010, 12:23 PM
I don't think that there is any way that the Steelers will take Mays over Thomas. Nor will any other team if both are on the board. Just my opinion though.

RuthlessBurgher
04-01-2010, 12:29 PM
I don't think that there is any way that the Steelers will take Mays over Thomas. Nor will any other team if both are on the board. Just my opinion though.

No other team, eh? Did you forget about me?

http://myteamrivals.typepad.com/.a/6a00e5513d181b88340120a53d615f970c-800wi

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NW Steeler
04-01-2010, 12:33 PM
Ha! Good point, but Crazy Al doesn't even count in any logical discussion!

Dee Dub
04-01-2010, 12:34 PM
I don't think that there is any way that the Steelers will take Mays over Thomas. Nor will any other team if both are on the board. Just my opinion though.

I disagree. Troy and Mays would be a better fit for how the Steelers play their 3-4 than Troy and Earl...in my opinion.

What is it that the Steelers ask Ryan Clark to do next to Troy? Is that what Earl Thomas' game is or more like Taylor Mays?

NW Steeler
04-01-2010, 12:43 PM
My thinking is that Thomas will not replace Clark for at least a couple of years. He plays nickel back until he takes over for Clark. He also adds insurance in case of injury. If he is as instinctive as people say he is, i just think that he will be a much better all around player than Mays. Mays will be an intimidating hammer, for sure. But we need a playmaker in our secondary, regardless of Troy's presence, or lack thereof.

Chadman
04-01-2010, 01:41 PM
My thinking is that Thomas will not replace Clark for at least a couple of years. He plays nickel back until he takes over for Clark. He also adds insurance in case of injury. If he is as instinctive as people say he is, i just think that he will be a much better all around player than Mays. Mays will be an intimidating hammer, for sure. But we need a playmaker in our secondary, regardless of Troy's presence, or lack thereof.

Is Bob Sanders a playmaker?

Not many INT's for Bob, more of a physical presence. Mays is like that. Still a playmaker, just not an INT machine.

NW Steeler
04-01-2010, 02:25 PM
Good point Chadman, but in this instance playmaking = INT's!

Shawn
04-01-2010, 04:02 PM
Sean Weatherspoon over Brandon Graham-Agreed but only based on need. We have two quality OLB starters. But Graham will be the better pro.

Taylor Mays over Earl Thomas-You have to be kidding me. Thomas is superior in nearly every way.

Kyle Wilson over Joe Haden-I think both these guys will be good pros. Cant go wrong with either pick but I give the edge to Haden.

Ryan Matthews over C.J. Spillar...lol now I know you are trollin'
Dominique Franks over Patrick Robinson
Kareem Jackson over Patrick Robinson
Jared Odrick over Gerald McCoy: Agreed
Golden Tate over Dez Bryant: Agreed
Tyson Alualu over Everson Griffin
J.D. Walton over Matt Tennant

hawaiiansteel
04-01-2010, 04:28 PM
Sean Weatherspoon over Brandon Graham - depends on what you're looking for, Weatherspoon is an ILB with great pass coverage and leadership abilities whereas Graham is a relentless pass rusher who would line up at OLB in our scheme.

Taylor Mays over Earl Thomas - i like Earl Thomas better because he can also play CB and somebody needs to replace Willie Gay ASAP.

Kyle Wilson over Joe Haden - i like Wilson better because we wouldn't have to trade up for him whereas trading up for Haden would cost us our 2nd rounder.

Ryan Matthews over C.J. Spiller - C J Spiller provides more value because of his return abilities, could save us Stefan Logan's roster spot while threatening to hit a home run everytime he touches the ball.

Dominique Franks over Patrick Robinson - either one is better than Willie, let's call it a tie.

Kareem Jackson over Patrick Robinson - definitely, i would love to see the Steelers draft Jackson. Haden, Wilson and Jackson were the three best shut-down corners i watched play last season.

Jared Odrick over Gerald McCoy - Odrick is very good but Gerald is the real McCoy.

Golden Tate over Dez Bryant - Dez is more talented but i would rather have Golden Tate on my team. Bryant is too much of a diva for my taste.

Tyson Alualu over Everson Griffin - Alualu played his high school football here in Hawaii, so obviously Alualu is the much better player.

J.D. Walton over Matt Tennant they are both good, but i like Pouncey the best.

Dee Dub
04-01-2010, 05:09 PM
Sean Weatherspoon over Brandon Graham-Agreed but only based on need. We have two quality OLB starters. But Graham will be the better pro.

Taylor Mays over Earl Thomas-You have to be kidding me. Thomas is superior in nearly every way.

Kyle Wilson over Joe Haden-I think both these guys will be good pros. Cant go wrong with either pick but I give the edge to Haden.

Ryan Matthews over C.J. Spillar...lol now I know you are trollin'
Dominique Franks over Patrick Robinson
Kareem Jackson over Patrick Robinson
Jared Odrick over Gerald McCoy: Agreed
Golden Tate over Dez Bryant: Agreed
Tyson Alualu over Everson Griffin
J.D. Walton over Matt Tennant

No way. Earl Thomas is not better at the strong safety spot than what Mays would be…and if he were drafted by the Steelers that is more of the role he will play ala Ryan Clark. And a team who draft Mays who doesnt play him at his natural position is foolish.

Wilson’s recovery speed and the lack of for Haden is what will separate these two in the NFL.

And as far as Matthews versus Spillar I think at the next level at the pro game Matthews game is a better fit and you can do more with him. He is probably going to have the longer career of the two as well.

Shawn
04-01-2010, 05:51 PM
Sean Weatherspoon over Brandon Graham-Agreed but only based on need. We have two quality OLB starters. But Graham will be the better pro.

Taylor Mays over Earl Thomas-You have to be kidding me. Thomas is superior in nearly every way.

Kyle Wilson over Joe Haden-I think both these guys will be good pros. Cant go wrong with either pick but I give the edge to Haden.

Ryan Matthews over C.J. Spillar...lol now I know you are trollin'
Dominique Franks over Patrick Robinson
Kareem Jackson over Patrick Robinson
Jared Odrick over Gerald McCoy: Agreed
Golden Tate over Dez Bryant: Agreed
Tyson Alualu over Everson Griffin
J.D. Walton over Matt Tennant

No way. Earl Thomas is not better at the strong safety spot than what Mays would be…and if he were drafted by the Steelers that is more of the role he will play ala Ryan Clark. And a team who draft Mays who doesnt play him at his natural position is foolish.

Wilson’s recovery speed and the lack of for Haden is what will separate these two in the NFL.

And as far as Matthews versus Spillar I think at the next level at the pro game Matthews game is a better fit and you can do more with him. He is probably going to have the longer career of the two as well.

Who said anything about the strong safety spot? So, you believe Ryan Clark plays SS? Look, Mays is a much different player than Thomas. If you want a DB/LBr hybrid...torpedo around the LOS then Mays is your man. But, that's all he will ever be able to do. He isn't a coverage guy.

Thomas is the complete DB...I believe he can play DB, FS and SS at a high level. He does it all well but is elite in coverage. Two very different players.

I'm not sure I get why you believe Mays would play Clark's centerfielder position. He is best around the LOS.

Dee Dub
04-01-2010, 06:11 PM
Sean Weatherspoon over Brandon Graham-Agreed but only based on need. We have two quality OLB starters. But Graham will be the better pro.

Taylor Mays over Earl Thomas-You have to be kidding me. Thomas is superior in nearly every way.

Kyle Wilson over Joe Haden-I think both these guys will be good pros. Cant go wrong with either pick but I give the edge to Haden.

Ryan Matthews over C.J. Spillar...lol now I know you are trollin'
Dominique Franks over Patrick Robinson
Kareem Jackson over Patrick Robinson
Jared Odrick over Gerald McCoy: Agreed
Golden Tate over Dez Bryant: Agreed
Tyson Alualu over Everson Griffin
J.D. Walton over Matt Tennant

No way. Earl Thomas is not better at the strong safety spot than what Mays would be…and if he were drafted by the Steelers that is more of the role he will play ala Ryan Clark. And a team who draft Mays who doesnt play him at his natural position is foolish.

Wilson’s recovery speed and the lack of for Haden is what will separate these two in the NFL.

And as far as Matthews versus Spillar I think at the next level at the pro game Matthews game is a better fit and you can do more with him. He is probably going to have the longer career of the two as well.

Who said anything about the strong safety spot? So, you believe Ryan Clark plays SS? Look, Mays is a much different player than Thomas. If you want a DB/LBr hybrid...torpedo around the LOS then Mays is your man. But, that's all he will ever be able to do. He isn't a coverage guy.

Thomas is the complete DB...I believe he can play DB, FS and SS at a high level. He does it all well but is elite in coverage. Two very different players.

I'm not sure I get why you believe Mays would play Clark's centerfielder position. He is best around the LOS.

I don’t think you understand what I am saying Shawn. Read it again. Ryan Clark may be called a free safety but he is the one who actually plays more of the strong safety roll (coverage wise), with the Steelers with Troy be able to free lance.

And again..I personally would rather have Mays for the Steelers over Thomas.

hawaiiansteel
04-01-2010, 06:44 PM
[quote=Shawn]Sean Weatherspoon over Brandon Graham-Agreed but only based on need. We have two quality OLB starters. But Graham will be the better pro.

Taylor Mays over Earl Thomas-You have to be kidding me. Thomas is superior in nearly every way.

Kyle Wilson over Joe Haden-I think both these guys will be good pros. Cant go wrong with either pick but I give the edge to Haden.

Ryan Matthews over C.J. Spillar...lol now I know you are trollin'
Dominique Franks over Patrick Robinson
Kareem Jackson over Patrick Robinson
Jared Odrick over Gerald McCoy: Agreed
Golden Tate over Dez Bryant: Agreed
Tyson Alualu over Everson Griffin
J.D. Walton over Matt Tennant

No way. Earl Thomas is not better at the strong safety spot than what Mays would be…and if he were drafted by the Steelers that is more of the role he will play ala Ryan Clark. And a team who draft Mays who doesnt play him at his natural position is foolish.

Wilson’s recovery speed and the lack of for Haden is what will separate these two in the NFL.

And as far as Matthews versus Spillar I think at the next level at the pro game Matthews game is a better fit and you can do more with him. He is probably going to have the longer career of the two as well.

Who said anything about the strong safety spot? So, you believe Ryan Clark plays SS? Look, Mays is a much different player than Thomas. If you want a DB/LBr hybrid...torpedo around the LOS then Mays is your man. But, that's all he will ever be able to do. He isn't a coverage guy.

Thomas is the complete DB...I believe he can play DB, FS and SS at a high level. He does it all well but is elite in coverage. Two very different players.

I'm not sure I get why you believe Mays would play Clark's centerfielder position. He is best around the LOS.

I don’t think you understand what I am saying Shawn. Read it again. Ryan Clark may be called a free safety but he is the one who actually plays more of the strong safety roll (coverage wise), with the Steelers with Troy be able to free lance.

And again..I personally would rather have Mays for the Steelers over Thomas.[/quote:3i4n2vf8]



if Taylor Mays goes to the right team and is used correctly, he could end up as a great player. however, i'll take Thomas over Mays as Mays had 2 interceptions in the last 3 years while Thomas had 8 interceptions last season alone.



Updated: April 1, 2010

USC's Mays takes criticism in stride



He has been called a 'freak' athlete but many still question his NFL ability as draft nears


If, somehow, you were able to ignore the visual evidence of USC safety Taylor Mays being 6-foot-3, blazing fast and possibly one of the most impressive physical specimens ever seen on a football field, it might have seemed that Carolina Panthers secondary coach Ron Milus was talking to a scrub.

"Come on -- RUN!" Milus yelled at Mays as he went through defensive back drills for the assembled NFL coaches and scouts Wednesday afternoon at USC's pro day.

"I don't think you're R-U-N-N-I-N-G. ... I want you to run like you run the 40."

Now, before we continue, let's pause for a brief fact check:

-- Mays' 40-yard dash time is off-the-charts fast. At the NFL combine, he was clocked anywhere from a mind-boggling 4.24 seconds to a ridiculously-fast-for-a-230-pound-safety 4.43.

-- There was nothing wrong with the way Mays was doing the defensive back drills Wednesday.

-- Mays is projected as one of the top three safeties in this year's NFL draft class.

So why the harsh tone?

That's where things get tricky, political and silly. While there's rarely a player who enters the NFL draft without at least one or two things listed under the "Negatives" portion of a scouting report, there's also rarely a player with Mays' accomplished résumé (he's a three-time All-American), freakish athleticism and solid character who is projected to be picked so high but becomes a polarizing figure.

"I don't really know," Mays said. "I can't worry about it. But some of the stuff I've heard is just crazy stuff that makes it seem like I've never even played before."

Some people absolutely love Mays and can't wait to get him into camp and mold all that wild athleticism and competitiveness into the next Sean Taylor or Ronnie Lott. Others think he's simply a workout wonder with bad hips who can't make plays.

"He's definitely a freak athlete," one scout in attendance Wednesday said. "But shouldn't a freak have more than two interceptions [in the past three seasons]?"

Mays is doing his best to shrug off the criticism, which always comes to him in whispers.

"It's been tough," he said. "But it comes with the territory. ... I'd rather have people talking about me than not have people talking about me. It's fun to be out here working out and proving people wrong.

"I guess it'll make it that much sweeter if I can be successful with what I do after all the negative stuff people say."

Mays also has found an unlikely friend with whom to commiserate and laugh about the process: Florida quarterback Tim Tebow. They've met at college football awards shows over the past few seasons, then played together at the Senior Bowl and hung out at the NFL combine.

While Mays has been taking his own ribbing fairly well, he gets decidedly more defensive when asked about Tebow.

"I don't understand it. He did everything right. It's not like everybody thought he was going to be the first quarterback taken, so I don't understand why they're killing him like that," Mays said.

"You're looking at one of the most established players in college football, ever. EVER. All these people they're talking about don't have half the credentials he does."

When asked about himself and the inordinate amount of criticism he has received, Mays was more upbeat.

"When I was recruited, they were loving me up, telling me everything in the world," he joked. "Now they're killing me.

"I guess I smile a lot, so they like to mess with me."

Was that what was happening with Milus on Wednesday?

"Yeah, I talked with him a lot at the combine; he's a great coach," Mays said of Milus. "He was just messing with me."

Mays said he has been working on his perceived flaws and trying to show scouts that whatever they think is missing from his game isn't -- namely, his ability to backpedal and change directions, his ability to intercept passes and create turnovers instead of just big hits, and his footwork dropping back in coverage.

"I think it's awareness for the ball instead of going for the hit," Mays said. "In the NFL, turnovers are a big deal. Interceptions are a huge deal, more than a big hit. That's what the best safeties do in the NFL and that's what I've got to do to be a safety in the NFL.

"I just need to add that to my game. I know I can do it; I just wasn't really coached to do that at USC but know I can make that transition."

As many question marks as there seem to be about Mays -- self-identified, and in whispers along the sidelines -- more than a few people at USC on Wednesday gave an alternate explanation.

For instance, everyone who is making an obvious effort to "mess with" Mays is actually enamored with him and trying to disguise their affection.

As one NFL coach told me, "We could have him No. 1 on our draft board right now, but the last thing I'd do is tell anyone."

Another scout, whose team has a top-15 pick, said, "Taylor is a great kid and a great player. I don't believe anything anyone says [this time of year]."

If that's true for even half the naysayers, Mays has little to worry about come draft day.

"It doesn't surprise me," Mays said of the criticism. "They pick you. They're not trying to convince me of anything. It's the NFL. It's serious and it's a business. It's not really fun and games anymore. I know that. My dad played, he knows what's up, so I don't really worry about it."

Matt Barkley, USC's freshman quarterback, said he doesn't know exactly what scouts look for in an NFL safety, but he knows what he saw across the field every day in practice this past season.

"It's weird because it doesn't look like he's moving that fast, but he'll just scream to the ball and either knock the receiver out or pick it off," Barkley said. "It's deceiving how quickly he closes. I always had to know where he was when he was back there."

Why is he being given such a hard time by NFL scouts?

"I think his numbers are just too hard to believe," Barkley said. "How he can be so big and run so fast and be so physical. But I don't see any reasons not to like him.

"Going up against that every day prepared me better than anything I would face in the game."

Ramona Shelburne is a reporter and columnist for ESPNLosAngeles.com.

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/n ... id=5045806 (http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nfl/columns/story?id=5045806)

Shawn
04-01-2010, 07:18 PM
[quote=Shawn]Sean Weatherspoon over Brandon Graham-Agreed but only based on need. We have two quality OLB starters. But Graham will be the better pro.

Taylor Mays over Earl Thomas-You have to be kidding me. Thomas is superior in nearly every way.

Kyle Wilson over Joe Haden-I think both these guys will be good pros. Cant go wrong with either pick but I give the edge to Haden.

Ryan Matthews over C.J. Spillar...lol now I know you are trollin'
Dominique Franks over Patrick Robinson
Kareem Jackson over Patrick Robinson
Jared Odrick over Gerald McCoy: Agreed
Golden Tate over Dez Bryant: Agreed
Tyson Alualu over Everson Griffin
J.D. Walton over Matt Tennant

No way. Earl Thomas is not better at the strong safety spot than what Mays would be…and if he were drafted by the Steelers that is more of the role he will play ala Ryan Clark. And a team who draft Mays who doesnt play him at his natural position is foolish.

Wilson’s recovery speed and the lack of for Haden is what will separate these two in the NFL.

And as far as Matthews versus Spillar I think at the next level at the pro game Matthews game is a better fit and you can do more with him. He is probably going to have the longer career of the two as well.

Who said anything about the strong safety spot? So, you believe Ryan Clark plays SS? Look, Mays is a much different player than Thomas. If you want a DB/LBr hybrid...torpedo around the LOS then Mays is your man. But, that's all he will ever be able to do. He isn't a coverage guy.

Thomas is the complete DB...I believe he can play DB, FS and SS at a high level. He does it all well but is elite in coverage. Two very different players.

I'm not sure I get why you believe Mays would play Clark's centerfielder position. He is best around the LOS.

I don’t think you understand what I am saying Shawn. Read it again. Ryan Clark may be called a free safety but he is the one who actually plays more of the strong safety roll (coverage wise), with the Steelers with Troy be able to free lance.

And again..I personally would rather have Mays for the Steelers over Thomas.[/quote:2cqj1iu9]

I know what Clark does...not matter what you want to name it. He covers Troy's acs...and Troy creates chaos. Mays is better suited to fill Troy's roll not Clarks.