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Chadman
03-30-2010, 01:25 AM
No, not some awesome porn video...Chadman's attempt at as possible 1st round..

1. St Louis- QB Sam Bradford
2. Detroit- DT Ndamukong Suh
3. Tampa Bay- DT Gerald McCoy
4. Washington- OT Russell Okung
5. Kansas City- LB Rolando McClain
6. Seattle- OT Brian Bulaga
7. Cleveland- CB Joe Haden
8. Oakland- OT Bruce Campbell
9. Buffalo- QB Jimmy Clausen
10. Jacksonville- FS Eric Berry
11. Denver- NT Dan Williams
12. Miami- WR Dez Bryant
13. San Fransisco- OLB Sergio Kindle
14. Seattle- RB CJ Spiller
15. NY Giants- FS Earl Thomas
16. Tennessee- DE Jason Pierre-Paul
17. San Fransisco- OT Trent Williams
18. Pittsburgh- OG Mike Iupati
19. Atlanta- OLB/DE Brandon Graham
20. Houston- CB Kyle Wilson
21. Cincinnati- FS Taylor Mays
22. New England- RB Ryan Matthews
23. Green Bay- OT Anthony Davis
24. Philadelphia- LB Sean Weatherspoon
25. Baltimore- CB Devin McCourty
26. Arizona- DE Derrick Morgan
27. Dallas- OT Roger Saffold
28. San Diego- DE Jared Odrick
29. NY Jets- NT Terrence Cody
30. Minnesota- DT Brian Price
31. Indianapolis- OT Charles Brown
32. New Orleans- OLB/DE Jerry Hughes

StarSpangledSteeler
03-30-2010, 05:48 AM
I think that is a fairly accurate representation of the players and values.

I am curious though as to your opinion/reasoning in choosing Iupati over Wilson. Not so much iupati's ability or merit, but our need (as the steelers).

I view our two biggest needs as: 1) CB 2) OL (in that order)

I'm with you on OL need. We do not have one pro-bowler on our entire OL. We MUST upgrade it. We must start opening holes in the run game. And we must do a better job of protecting big ben, especially the interior OL. I believe Iupati projects to be best used at left guard. On our roster we currently have Kemo in that spot. Maybe he could move to right guard? Or maybe Iupati plays right guard at first? I am all for upgrading our OL but we just invested a high pick in Urbik who plays right guard and we have Foster who is possibly even better at right guard. What exactly are you suggesting our plans are concerning them? I just don't see 'guard' as our top priority based on our current roster. Center is/should be our top priority. I could see taking Pouncey even though that might be too high, but a guard doesn't seem like the greatest need/value at 18.

On the other hand look at our current CB's: Ike and Gay. I mean really honestly look at that for a moment... Ike and Gay... Now the real kicker... What if one of them gets hurt?... I just see too much of a need there to not go with Wilson. He's an immediate upgrade over Gay and he (potentially) compliments Ike very well.

Also, take a look at some past drafts. I might be wrong but it seems to me 18 is very high for a guard. If i'm taking a guard at 18 he better be a Hutchinson or Faneca. If he is... So be it. But he better not be Kemoeatu II.

Just my thoughts.

pfelix73
03-30-2010, 12:14 PM
Ah, get a FB in there on more plays that'll help too. Our biggest need is on Defense. CB, LB. DL. IMO

RuthlessBurgher
03-30-2010, 04:20 PM
Here's my scenario to make my sig come true:

St. Louis (1-15) Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
Detroit (2-14) Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
Tampa Bay (3-13) Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
Washington (4-12) Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
Kansas City (4-12) Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa
Seattle (5-11) Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
Cleveland (5-11) Joe Haden, CB, Florida
Oakland (5-11) Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
Buffalo (6-10) Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame
Pittsburgh (9-7) *Trades 1.18 and 2.52 to JAX for 1.10* Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
Denver - from Chicago (7-9) Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State
Miami (7-9) Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
San Francisco (8-8) C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson
Seattle - from Denver (8-8) Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech
New York Giants (8-8) Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama
Tennessee (8-8) Jason Pierre-Paul, DE, South Florida
San Francisco - from Carolina (8-8) Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
Jacksonville (7-9) *Trades 1.10 to PIT for 1.18 and 2.52* Tim Tebow, QB Florida
Atlanta (9-7) Sean Weatherspoon, OLB, Missouri
Houston (9-7) Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
Cincinnati (10-6) Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma
New England (10-6) Brandon Graham, DE/OLB, Michigan
Green Bay (11-5) Charles Brown, OT, USC
Philadelphia (11-5) Everson Griffen, DE, USC
Baltimore (9-7) Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise State
Arizona (10-6) Sergio Kindle, DE/OLB, Texas
Dallas (11-5) Mike Iupati, G, Idaho
San Diego (13-3) Ryan Matthews, RB, Fresno St.
New York Jets (9-7) Taylor Mays, S, USC
Minnesota (12-4) Devin McCourty, CB, Rutgers
Indianapolis (14-2) Jared Odrick, DE/DT, Penn State
New Orleans (13-3) Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida

Chadman
04-05-2010, 07:49 PM
Hmm....with the McNabb trade, Chadman will re-do the Top 10 picks...

1. St Louis Rams- QB Sam Bradford

2. Detroit Lions- DT Ndamukong Suh

3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers- DT Gerald McCoy

4. Washington Redskins- FS Eric Berry

5. Kansas City Chiefs- NT Dan Williams

6. Seattle Seahawks- OT Russell Okung

7. Cleveland Browns- CB Joe Haden

8. Oakland Raiders- WR Dez Bryant

9. Buffalo Bills- QB Jimmy Clausen

10. Jacksonville Jaguars- DE Derrick Morgan

papillon
04-05-2010, 09:53 PM
Mays, Wilson and Graham on the board and the Steelers take an OG at 1.18? :wft

:HeadBanger :HeadBanger

But, other than that it looks good. :P

Pappy

Oviedo
04-06-2010, 10:40 AM
Mays, Wilson and Graham on the board and the Steelers take an OG at 1.18? :wft

:HeadBanger :HeadBanger

But, other than that it looks good. :P

Pappy

Steelers aren'y looking for a safety in Round 1 according to today's PG


Forget the safety from Southern California, Taylor Mays. Mike Tomlin does not like him, not high in the draft anyway. He put up good numbers at the combine, but not good performances during last season. Remember what Deion Sanders said about Mays? He's right on as far as the Steelers are concerned. Here is a safety Tomlin does like: Kam Chancellor of Virginia Tech, a big man at 6-3, 231. He's not a first-rounder, but then the Steelers no longer have an interest in drafting a safety on the first round.



Brandon Graham is the right choice in Round 1. Everyone needs to be concerend that Harrison only managed 2 sacks in the last 8 games of last season. His ability to get to the QB is as much a key to LeBeau's defense as Troy's play. His ability the last half od the season explains some of the losses that should never have happened.

Iupati wouldn't be as good as Graham but it would be understandable because Essex was hardley a top quality player last season. If he can develop into a solid OT it would be even better.

Lebsteel
04-06-2010, 11:02 AM
Mays, Wilson and Graham on the board and the Steelers take an OG at 1.18? :wft

:HeadBanger :HeadBanger

But, other than that it looks good. :P

Pappy

Steelers aren'y looking for a safety in Round 1 according to today's PG


Forget the safety from Southern California, Taylor Mays. Mike Tomlin does not like him, not high in the draft anyway. He put up good numbers at the combine, but not good performances during last season. Remember what Deion Sanders said about Mays? He's right on as far as the Steelers are concerned. Here is a safety Tomlin does like: Kam Chancellor of Virginia Tech, a big man at 6-3, 231. He's not a first-rounder, but then the Steelers no longer have an interest in drafting a safety on the first round.



Brandon Graham is the right choice in Round 1. Everyone needs to be concerend that Harrison only managed 2 sacks in the last 8 games of last season. His ability to get to the QB is as much a key to LeBeau's defense as Troy's play. His ability the last half od the season explains some of the losses that should never have happened.

Iupati wouldn't be as good as Graham but it would be understandable because Essex was hardley a top quality player last season. If he can develop into a solid OT it would be even better.
Even playing part-time, I think Graham would have 10 sacks his first year as a Steeler. He is that good.

ikestops85
04-06-2010, 11:21 AM
Hmm....with the McNabb trade, Chadman will re-do the Top 10 picks...

1. St Louis Rams- QB Sam Bradford

2. Detroit Lions- DT Ndamukong Suh

3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers- DT Gerald McCoy

4. Washington Redskins- FS Eric Berry

5. Kansas City Chiefs- NT Dan Williams

6. Seattle Seahawks- OT Russell Okung

7. Cleveland Browns- CB Joe Haden

8. Oakland Raiders- WR Dez Bryant

9. Buffalo Bills- QB Jimmy Clausen

10. Jacksonville Jaguars- DE Derrick Morgan

Hmmm ... just curious why before the McNabb trade you had the deadskins taking Okung but afterwards you have them taking Berry? If Washington doesn't improve their line McNabb will spend all of his time running for his life. I think the trade guarantees that Washington takes Okung. JMHO

ANPSTEEL
04-06-2010, 11:35 AM
Hmm....with the McNabb trade, Chadman will re-do the Top 10 picks...

1. St Louis Rams- QB Sam Bradford

2. Detroit Lions- DT Ndamukong Suh

3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers- DT Gerald McCoy

4. Washington Redskins- FS Eric Berry

5. Kansas City Chiefs- NT Dan Williams

6. Seattle Seahawks- OT Russell Okung

7. Cleveland Browns- CB Joe Haden

8. Oakland Raiders- WR Dez Bryant

9. Buffalo Bills- QB Jimmy Clausen

10. Jacksonville Jaguars- DE Derrick Morgan

Hmmm ... just curious why before the McNabb trade you had the deadskins taking Okung but afterwards you have them taking Berry? If Washington doesn't improve their line McNabb will spend all of his time running for his life. I think the trade guarantees that Washington takes Okung. JMHO

I was just about to post this same point-

Skins guaranteed to go OL. If it were me, I'd have the skins trading down 5 to 10 spots- they need a lot of help on the OL & WR.

aggiebones
04-06-2010, 12:47 PM
No chance we take a G at that spot.
Big pimp tackle if one falls or we trade up a bit to get one. Or we sit and wait for best D player. Wilson or whoever they think is best remaining. They like to draft guards after a deep playoff run and pick 28-32.
You can get decent guards for modest coin in FA. You cannot find decent T in FA without alot of coin.
With a more top pick than normal, we'll try to find a player traditionally expensive on the FA market.

NW Steeler
04-06-2010, 01:11 PM
It sounds like they are not interested in drafting a S in round one now, but that could be a smokescreen. I'd like to see them upgrade the line, but I don't want to see us draft a G or C at #18. So maybe it will be Graham or Wilson.

StarSpangledSteeler
04-06-2010, 03:52 PM
No chance we take a G at that spot.
Big pimp tackle if one falls or we trade up a bit to get one. Or we sit and wait for best D player. Wilson or whoever they think is best remaining. They like to draft guards after a deep playoff run and pick 28-32.
You can get decent guards for modest coin in FA. You cannot find decent T in FA without alot of coin.
With a more top pick than normal, we'll try to find a player traditionally expensive on the FA market.

Finally! Thank you!

Look at the nfl draft history guys. How many guards and centers go at 1.18? Seriously?

Oviedo
04-06-2010, 04:27 PM
No chance we take a G at that spot.
Big pimp tackle if one falls or we trade up a bit to get one. Or we sit and wait for best D player. Wilson or whoever they think is best remaining. They like to draft guards after a deep playoff run and pick 28-32.
You can get decent guards for modest coin in FA. You cannot find decent T in FA without alot of coin.
With a more top pick than normal, we'll try to find a player traditionally expensive on the FA market.

Finally! Thank you!

Look at the nfl draft history guys. How many guards and centers go at 1.18? Seriously?

If they really like Iupati or Pouncey (Lord forbid) then they had better look to trade down into the mid 20s. Taking either at #18 would be a reach. I could almost accept Iupati there if they really thing they can develop him into an OT. No way with Pouncey. We have NEVER drafted a Center in Round 1...please, please don't start now!!!!!!!!

Discipline of Steel
04-06-2010, 05:08 PM
No chance we take a G at that spot.
Big pimp tackle if one falls or we trade up a bit to get one. Or we sit and wait for best D player. Wilson or whoever they think is best remaining. They like to draft guards after a deep playoff run and pick 28-32.
You can get decent guards for modest coin in FA. You cannot find decent T in FA without alot of coin.
With a more top pick than normal, we'll try to find a player traditionally expensive on the FA market.

Finally! Thank you!

Look at the nfl draft history guys. How many guards and centers go at 1.18? Seriously?

If they really like Iupati or Pouncey (Lord forbid) then they had better look to trade down into the mid 20s. Taking either at #18 would be a reach. I could almost accept Iupati there if they really thing they can develop him into an OT. No way with Pouncey. We have NEVER drafted a Center in Round 1...please, please don't start now!!!!!!!!

:Agree Yes...No! Never!

The clamor for OT was great last year and we went out and got ourselves a 3rd round guard. Overall, clamor is less for OL this year (just comparing this board to last year) and has shifted somewhat to DB. The weakest starter on the team last year was Slick Willie Gay (Trai Essex second) and depth at safety was non-existant. DB go higher in the first round than OG/OC. So I hope the plan is to draft DB early, then use a few extra picks to get back into the end of the first round and grab a OG/OC we like.

SteelAbility
04-06-2010, 05:12 PM
Here's my scenario to make my sig come true:

St. Louis (1-15) Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
Detroit (2-14) Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
Tampa Bay (3-13) Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
Washington (4-12) Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
Kansas City (4-12) Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa
Seattle (5-11) Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
Cleveland (5-11) Joe Haden, CB, Florida
Oakland (5-11) Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
Buffalo (6-10) Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame
Pittsburgh (9-7) *Trades 1.18 and 2.52 to JAX for 1.10* Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
Denver - from Chicago (7-9) Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State
Miami (7-9) Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
San Francisco (8-8) C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson
Seattle - from Denver (8-8) Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech
New York Giants (8-8) Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama
Tennessee (8-8) Jason Pierre-Paul, DE, South Florida
San Francisco - from Carolina (8-8) Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
Jacksonville (7-9) *Trades 1.10 to PIT for 1.18 and 2.52* Tim Tebow, QB Florida
Atlanta (9-7) Sean Weatherspoon, OLB, Missouri
Houston (9-7) Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
Cincinnati (10-6) Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma
New England (10-6) Brandon Graham, DE/OLB, Michigan
Green Bay (11-5) Charles Brown, OT, USC
Philadelphia (11-5) Everson Griffen, DE, USC
Baltimore (9-7) Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise State
Arizona (10-6) Sergio Kindle, DE/OLB, Texas
Dallas (11-5) Mike Iupati, G, Idaho
San Diego (13-3) Ryan Matthews, RB, Fresno St.
New York Jets (9-7) Taylor Mays, S, USC
Minnesota (12-4) Devin McCourty, CB, Rutgers
Indianapolis (14-2) Jared Odrick, DE/DT, Penn State
New Orleans (13-3) Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida


Jacksonville takes the hometown boy A La The Browns? Now that would be funny, IMO.

RuthlessBurgher
04-06-2010, 05:45 PM
Jacksonville takes the hometown boy A La The Browns? Now that would be funny, IMO.

Jacksonville needs to sell tickets. Period. Nine out of ten home games last season were blacked out in the local TV market. They cover much of the upper decks with tarps and still cannot sell the remaining seats. Season ticket packages start as low as $300 ($30 per game)...I pay more than double that for 32nd row upper deck end zone bleacher seats at Heinz. Last year, with a playoff berth on the line and facing in-state rival Miami, they still could not sell out the game.

However, 1500 people paid $160 a pop to wait in line in a Jacksonville mall to get Tim Tebow's autograph. Tebow may not have an NFL QB skill set, but he puts butts in seats, particularly in his hometown, where people view him as a demi-god. For most teams, winning is priority #1, but when your business model is failing to the point that you will be forced to become the L.A. Jaguars sooner rather than later, the business of selling tickets can take precedent over, say, generating the pass rush required to defeat Peyton Manning in the AFC South.

Chadman
04-06-2010, 05:51 PM
Tebow gets linked with Jacksonville alot.

Instead of picking Tebow at #10,where he would be a phenomenal reach, would Jacksonville trade down with the Patriots & select Tebow later in Round 1?

Chadman saw today that the Patriots were kicking the tyres of Rolando McClain...if he falls to #10....

pfelix73
04-06-2010, 07:03 PM
Haden, Thomas, Graham. First 2 are gone?, it could be Graham or Wilson the CB..

Think it's one of those 4.
:tt1