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WoodleyofTroy
03-29-2010, 05:51 PM
Top 5 at #18:

1) Joe Haden, Cornerback, Florida.
2) Rolando McClain, Inside Linebacker, Alabama.
3) Earl Thomas, Defensive back, Texas.
4) Trent Williams, Offensive Tackle, Oklahoma.
5) C.J. Spiller, Running Back, Clemson.

Trade back:
1) Mike Iupati, Guard, Idaho.
2) Brandon Graham, Outside Linebacker, Michigan.
3) Maurkice Pouncey, Center/Guard, Florida.


-From everything that I've been reading, I get the feeling that the Steelers will be trading up in the 2nd round, ala 2004 for Colclough. Steelers are making moves to win now (the return of Randle El and Foote, retaining Hampton, Clark, and Reed). ..impact ready players (Special teams, quality backups) oppose to quantity here. Trading up in the first round is also very possible. I just don't see the Steelers sitting idle in this draft. Gonna be lots of maneuvering (due to not making the playoffs, combined with Ben's offseason distraction).

-What about drafting Colt McCoy and reuniting him with Sweed? Kills two birds with one stone. A backup QB. And a talented WR with his head back in the game. Just a thought.

-Donovan Warren will be the steal of the draft if he goes around the middle of the 3rd and later.

Current Mock
Trades:
Washington trades #4 to Cleveland for #7, #87, #92.
San Francisco trades #13 to New England for #22, #53.

1. St. Louis – Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
2. Detroit – Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma
3. Tampa Bay – Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
4. Cleveland f/was. – Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
5. Kansas City – Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
6. Seattle – Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa
7. Washington f/clev. – Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame
8. Oakland – Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
9. Buffalo – Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
10. Jacksonville – Joe Haden, CB, Florida
11. Denver – Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State
12. Miami – Jason Pierre Paul, DE, USF
13. New England f/SF. – Rolando McClain, LB, Alabama
14. Seattle – Taylor Mays, S, USC
15. New York Giants – Sean Weatherspoon, LB, Missouri
16. Tennessee – Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech
17. San Francisco – CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
18. Pittsburgh – Earl Thomas, DB, Texas
19. Atlanta – Brandon Graham, DE, Michigan
20. Houston – Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise State
21. Cincinnati – Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma
22. San Francisco f/NE. – Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
23. Green Bay – Mike Iupati, OG, Idaho
24. Philadelphia – Jared Odrick, DT, Penn State
25. Baltimore – Jerry Hughes, OLB, TCU
26. Arizona – Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas
27. Dallas – Charles Brown, OT, USC
28. San Diego – Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
29. New York Jets – Brian Price, DT, UCLA
30. Minnesota – Maurkice Pouncey, OC/G, Florida
31. Indianapolis – Rodger Staffold, OL, Indiana
32. New Orleans – Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida

hawaiiansteel
03-29-2010, 06:01 PM
a very well-thought out post - :Clap


i would be delighted to hear the Steelers call out Earl Thomas' name on draft day.

Shawn
03-29-2010, 06:24 PM
I think every Steeler fan except czar will be jumping up and down if we land Thomas.

hawaiiansteel
03-29-2010, 06:31 PM
I think every Steeler fan except czar will be jumping up and down if we land Thomas.


hey Shawn,

you were one of the very first to jump on the Earl Thomas bandwagon, how come you replaced him in your mock with Odrick? don't think Thomas lasts until #18 or did the re-signing of Ryan Clark change your mind?

WoodleyofTroy
03-29-2010, 06:45 PM
I think every Steeler fan except czar will be jumping up and down if we land Thomas.

Does he still want Taylor Mays?


I figured he gave up on the Steelers after they passed on Maualuga last year.

ANPSTEEL
03-29-2010, 10:00 PM
Top 5 at #18:

1) Joe Haden, Cornerback, Florida.
2) Rolando McClain, Inside Linebacker, Alabama.
3) Earl Thomas, Defensive back, Texas.
4) Trent Williams, Offensive Tackle, Oklahoma.
5) C.J. Spiller, Running Back, Clemson.

Trade back:
1) Mike Iupati, Guard, Idaho.
2) Brandon Graham, Outside Linebacker, Michigan.
3) Maurkice Pouncey, Center/Guard, Florida.


-From everything that I've been reading, I get the feeling that the Steelers will be trading up in the 2nd round, ala 2004 for Colclough. Steelers are making moves to win now (the return of Randle El and Foote, retaining Hampton, Clark, and Reed). ..impact ready players (Special teams, quality backups) oppose to quantity here. Trading up in the first round is also very possible. I just don't see the Steelers sitting idle in this draft. Gonna be lots of maneuvering (due to not making the playoffs, combined with Ben's offseason distraction).

-What about drafting Colt McCoy and reuniting him with Sweed? Kills two birds with one stone. A backup QB. And a talented WR with his head back in the game. Just a thought.

-Donovan Warren will be the steal of the draft if he goes around the middle of the 3rd and later.

Current Mock
Trades:
Washington trades #4 to Cleveland for #7, #87, #92.
San Francisco trades #13 to New England for #22, #53.

1. St. Louis – Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
2. Detroit – Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma
3. Tampa Bay – Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
4. Cleveland f/was. – Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
5. Kansas City – Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
6. Seattle – Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa
7. Washington f/clev. – Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame
8. Oakland – Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
9. Buffalo – Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
10. Jacksonville – Joe Haden, CB, Florida
11. Denver – Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State
12. Miami – Jason Pierre Paul, DE, USF
13. New England f/SF. – Rolando McClain, LB, Alabama
14. Seattle – Taylor Mays, S, USC
15. New York Giants – Sean Weatherspoon, LB, Missouri
16. Tennessee – Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech
17. San Francisco – CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
18. Pittsburgh – Earl Thomas, DB, Texas
19. Atlanta – Brandon Graham, DE, Michigan
20. Houston – Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise State
21. Cincinnati – Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma
22. San Francisco f/NE. – Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
23. Green Bay – Mike Iupati, OG, Idaho
24. Philadelphia – Jared Odrick, DT, Penn State
25. Baltimore – Jerry Hughes, OLB, TCU
26. Arizona – Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas
27. Dallas – Charles Brown, OT, USC
28. San Diego – Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
29. New York Jets – Brian Price, DT, UCLA
30. Minnesota – Maurkice Pouncey, OC/G, Florida
31. Indianapolis – Rodger Staffold, OL, Indiana
32. New Orleans – Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida


I like what you have done here-

but mostly- I'm in agreement- I believe they are intending to move up in the 2nd, as well.

I think there is a lot of talent remaining at the top of Rd 2. In particular- I think they make that move if they go DL or OL in RD 1, because they be targeting a CB in 2.

Chadman
03-29-2010, 10:36 PM
A few other thoughts to keep in mind-

Conference- ALL 1st round picks by the Steelers since Kevin Colbert was signed have come from Division 1-A. 3 1st round picks have been from BIG-10 teams, 2 ACC, 2 BIG-12, 1 MAC, 1 PAC-10 & 1 SEC.

Traded Picks- The Steelers have TRADED UP twice in the 1st round under Colbert, TRADED DOWN once. 70% of his drafts- the Steelers have stood pat.

Positions- The Steelers have drafted 2 DL, 2 WR, 1 LB, 1 TE, 1 RB, 1 QB, 1 Safety & 1 OL in the 1st round under Colbert. That is 3 Non-Skill players to 7 Skill players. And 4 DEFENSIVE players to 6 OFFENSIVE players. And 0 CB's.

Success- All 1st round picks (giving Hood a pass so far) have been successful in transitioning to starting calibre players, and most exceeding & becoming integral players for the Steelres. In other words- no busts.

Drafting For Need- A look back shows that the Steelers do, in fact, draft for need in the 1st round. In 2000, after the failure of Troy Edwards, the Steelers drafted Plaxico Burress. In 2001, Casey Hampton was drafted after the lack of success of Kimo Von Oelhoffen at NT. 2002 Kendall Simmons was drafted & started at RG. 2003- Troy Polamalu was drafted after Lee Flowers showed he was not up to the SS job. 2004, possibly the one year where the Steelers got the BPA first, position 2nd, Ben Roethlisberger was drafted to eventually succeed Tommy Maddox. 2005 saw Heath Miller brought in to replace the aging, declining Mark Breuner. 2006 saw Santonio Holmes come in to replace the departed Plaxico Burress. 2007 saw Lawrence Timmons brought in to compete for the OLB job that James Harrison won. After Harrison exceeded expectations, Timmons was moved to ILB. 2008 saw Mendenhall brought in to back-up/replace the broken Willie Parker. 2009 was the 2nd time the Steelers drafted without 'need' first & foremost by selecting future starter Ziggy Hood.

Chadman
03-29-2010, 10:54 PM
So, what does that mean for #18?

The possibilities for #18 as far as this board & selected draft sites have indicated are-

CB Joe Haden- Florida- SEC- Trade Up Required
FS Earl Thomas- Texas- BIG 12
OG Mike Iupati- Idaho- WAC
DE Jared Odrick- Penn State- BIG 10
NT Dan Williams- Tennessee- SEC
OT Trent Williams- Oklahoma- BIG 12
RB CJ Spiller- Clemson- ACC
ILB Rolando McLain- Alabama- SEC- Trade Up Required
ILB Sean Weatherspoon- Missouri- BIG 12
OLB Brandon Graham- Michigan- BIG 10
FS Taylor Mays- USC- PAC 10
CB Kyle Wilson- Boise State- WAC

Of this group- 2 players are from the Steelers preferred BIG 10 program- DE Jared Odrick & OLB Brandon Graham.

3 players are from the BIG 12- FS Earl Thomas, OT Trent Williams & ILB Sean Weatherspoon.

1 players is from the ACC- CJ Spiller.

That rounds out the favoured divisions. The WAC has 2 prospects in Mike Iupati & Kyle Wilson- but the Steelers have not drafted a WAC player in Round 1 under Colbert. 3 prospects are from the SEC- McLain, Haden & Dan Williams- a division the Steelers have chosen once from. Interestingly, if the Steelers want 2 of these guys, they will likely need to trade up- something they rarely do. Lastly, there is 1 PAC 10 player- Taylor Mays. The last PAC 10 player selected in Round 1 by the Steelers was, funnily enough, Safety Troy Polamalu, who played for USC as well.

Chadman
03-29-2010, 11:03 PM
If the Steelers draft for NEED, the following players will likely get scored higher- IUPATI, DAN WILLIAMS, CJ SPILLER, JOE HADEN & KYLE WILSON. FS EARL THOMAS might get graded higher if the Steelers see him as a possible CB.

If the Steelers look for FUTURE STARTERS, the other players get a higher grading.

LB is a wildcard as the decline of James Farrior & the age of James Harrison could make the position a higher priority. Same could be said for DE & FS.

OT appears to be a position the Steelers are set at for the next few years.

Chadman
03-29-2010, 11:14 PM
Given these stats to work with, Chadman believes that the following players ARE MORE LIKELY to be the Steelers targets in Round 1-

RB- CJ SPILLER- Fits the Division catagory by playing in the ACC, is also a position of need. Also, plays a skill position, which gets a higher weighting under Colbert in Round 1.

LB- SEAN WEATHERSPOON- From the same school as #1 pick Ziggy Hood last year. With Farrior aging, fits the position of need, Conference is a good indicator, being the BIG 12.

LB- BRANDON GRAHAM- Same situation as Weatherspoon- could be a replacement for the aging Harrison. BIG 10 sits well.

DE- JARED ODRICK- From the Steelers favoured BIG 10, and with Aaron Smith & Brett Keisel over 30, this is a position of need. Non-Skill player though, might be against him after selecting DE last season.

FS/CB- EARL THOMAS- Another BIG 12 player, fits the position of need clause IF the Steelers decide he can play CB. Signing Ryan Clark goes against him if they see him as a FS.

OG- MIKE IUPATI- From a conference they have not picked a 1st Rounder from, and being a non-skill player, might go against him. Does play a position of need however.

Oviedo
03-30-2010, 07:56 AM
Given these stats to work with, Chadman believes that the following players ARE MORE LIKELY to be the Steelers targets in Round 1-

RB- CJ SPILLER- Fits the Division catagory by playing in the ACC, is also a position of need. Also, plays a skill position, which gets a higher weighting under Colbert in Round 1.

LB- SEAN WEATHERSPOON- From the same school as #1 pick Ziggy Hood last year. With Farrior aging, fits the position of need, Conference is a good indicator, being the BIG 12.

LB- BRANDON GRAHAM- Same situation as Weatherspoon- could be a replacement for the aging Harrison. BIG 10 sits well.

DE- JARED ODRICK- From the Steelers favoured BIG 10, and with Aaron Smith & Brett Keisel over 30, this is a position of need. Non-Skill player though, might be against him after selecting DE last season.

FS/CB- EARL THOMAS- Another BIG 12 player, fits the position of need clause IF the Steelers decide he can play CB. Signing Ryan Clark goes against him if they see him as a FS.

OG- MIKE IUPATI- From a conference they have not picked a 1st Rounder from, and being a non-skill player, might go against him. Does play a position of need however.

Great analysis and exactly the things I have looked at. I think your top 3 are right in the "sweet spot." One additional factor that I also would weigh in is the relative depth of a specific position in a draft. If a draft is deep at a specific position, I do not think Colbert goes after that position early. This draft is very deep at Safety and CB so IMO that drops down the possibility of Thomas quite a bit.

steeler_george
03-31-2010, 08:05 AM
Given these stats to work with, Chadman believes that the following players ARE MORE LIKELY to be the Steelers targets in Round 1-

RB- CJ SPILLER- Fits the Division catagory by playing in the ACC, is also a position of need. Also, plays a skill position, which gets a higher weighting under Colbert in Round 1.

LB- SEAN WEATHERSPOON- From the same school as #1 pick Ziggy Hood last year. With Farrior aging, fits the position of need, Conference is a good indicator, being the BIG 12.

LB- BRANDON GRAHAM- Same situation as Weatherspoon- could be a replacement for the aging Harrison. BIG 10 sits well.

DE- JARED ODRICK- From the Steelers favoured BIG 10, and with Aaron Smith & Brett Keisel over 30, this is a position of need. Non-Skill player though, might be against him after selecting DE last season.

FS/CB- EARL THOMAS- Another BIG 12 player, fits the position of need clause IF the Steelers decide he can play CB. Signing Ryan Clark goes against him if they see him as a FS.

OG- MIKE IUPATI- From a conference they have not picked a 1st Rounder from, and being a non-skill player, might go against him. Does play a position of need however.

Great analysis and exactly the things I have looked at. I think your top 3 are right in the "sweet spot." One additional factor that I also would weigh in is the relative depth of a specific position in a draft. If a draft is deep at a specific position, I do not think Colbert goes after that position early. This draft is very deep at Safety and CB so IMO that drops down the possibility of Thomas quite a bit.

I agree. As bad as we need another DB play maker, I think we will get one in round 2, where there is still stand out DBs to be selected. However, that can not be said for OL.

It all depends on who drops and who goes before we select. There is a possibility that all 6 of the players listed and including pauncy, k. wilson being there at 18. If so do we stay or drop back and hopefully trade back up in early 2nd.

Who might be available in round 2 for us to trade up or around our selection?

Oviedo
03-31-2010, 09:36 AM
Given these stats to work with, Chadman believes that the following players ARE MORE LIKELY to be the Steelers targets in Round 1-

RB- CJ SPILLER- Fits the Division catagory by playing in the ACC, is also a position of need. Also, plays a skill position, which gets a higher weighting under Colbert in Round 1.

LB- SEAN WEATHERSPOON- From the same school as #1 pick Ziggy Hood last year. With Farrior aging, fits the position of need, Conference is a good indicator, being the BIG 12.

LB- BRANDON GRAHAM- Same situation as Weatherspoon- could be a replacement for the aging Harrison. BIG 10 sits well.

DE- JARED ODRICK- From the Steelers favoured BIG 10, and with Aaron Smith & Brett Keisel over 30, this is a position of need. Non-Skill player though, might be against him after selecting DE last season.

FS/CB- EARL THOMAS- Another BIG 12 player, fits the position of need clause IF the Steelers decide he can play CB. Signing Ryan Clark goes against him if they see him as a FS.

OG- MIKE IUPATI- From a conference they have not picked a 1st Rounder from, and being a non-skill player, might go against him. Does play a position of need however.

Great analysis and exactly the things I have looked at. I think your top 3 are right in the "sweet spot." One additional factor that I also would weigh in is the relative depth of a specific position in a draft. If a draft is deep at a specific position, I do not think Colbert goes after that position early. This draft is very deep at Safety and CB so IMO that drops down the possibility of Thomas quite a bit.

I agree. As bad as we need another DB play maker, I think we will get one in round 2, where there is still stand out DBs to be selected. However, that can not be said for OL.

It all depends on who drops and who goes before we select. There is a possibility that all 6 of the players listed and including pauncy, k. wilson being there at 18. If so do we stay or drop back and hopefully trade back up in early 2nd.

Who might be available in round 2 for us to trade up or around our selection?

How is "playmaker" defined. Joe Burnett had 16 INTs in college and he dropped one as a Pro and many feel he has no future in our secondary and another rookie will be the savior.

"Playmaker" is a nice sounding word but as I have said before it was pretty easy for haden and Thomas to be "playmakers" when the teams they were on ran up double digit leads early in games and forced the opponents to throw and play catch up. I think it is easier to be a "playmaker" when you and everyone in the stadium knows the next play is a pass play.

WoodleyofTroy
03-31-2010, 01:52 PM
Good work as always Chadman.


Side note: I think Brandon Graham would be my #1 if not for Harrison and Woodley. But I just can't get past the fact that he would have less playing time than Ziggy Hood did his rookie season. Which isn't too big of a problem, I don't mind rookies sitting, but OLB is our biggest strength as far as starters go. People keep mentioning Harrison's age, but I see him around for awhile.

I'd still take Graham, just not over the players ranked above him.

WoodleyofTroy
03-31-2010, 03:38 PM
If we were picking in the 30's like we should be, we'd all be hoping for Iupati or Pouncey to fall to us. Which would be very unlikely.

Just something to think about in case we do have to "settle".

RuthlessBurgher
03-31-2010, 03:48 PM
If we were picking in the 30's like we should be, we'd all be hoping for Iupati or Pouncey to fall to us. Which would be very unlikely.

Just something to think about in case we do have to "settle".

Oh absolutely...if we were in the 30's, I would be all over the likes of Iupati, Pouncey, Odrick, Wilson, etc., hoping they would fall to us. But since we are in the teens, I'm thinking about other higher ranked players that may fall to us (or at least fall within reasonable range for a trade-up).

SteelCzar76
03-31-2010, 10:18 PM
I think every Steeler fan except czar will be jumping up and down if we land Thomas.

Does he still want Taylor Mays?


I figured he gave up on the Steelers after they passed on Maualuga last year.

No more than you pumpkin. :lol: The Steelers are just as great a part of my heritage and background as the Trojans.

steeler_george
04-01-2010, 09:45 AM
This is by far one of my favorite draft posts...great work WoodleyofTroy!!!


1) Joe Haden, Cornerback, Florida.
2) Rolando McClain, Inside Linebacker, Alabama.
3) Earl Thomas, Defensive back, Texas.
4) Trent Williams, Offensive Tackle, Oklahoma.
5) C.J. Spiller, Running Back, Clemson.

Trade back:
1) Mike Iupati, Guard, Idaho.
2) Brandon Graham, Outside Linebacker, Michigan.
3) Maurkice Pouncey, Center/Guard, Florida.


WHAT IF: We all agree that we will need to trade up to get Haden/Mcclain even some are saying Thomas won't last till 18. If that is the case, who would you try to trade for if all 3 lasted till the 15 selection, one will far short of us? Make the scenario more difficult all these players are still on the board at 15

Would you make the trade up for the best CB or LB, a versatile DB, a potential LT ?
Stay put?
Trade back?

Haden- potential #1 CB, guarantee if loss to IKE, lots of competition in DB
McClain- future replacement for Farrior or if Timmons switches out to OLB
Thomas- same for Haden, but can play S
Williams- start at T, move Colon at G, insurance if Colon doesn't sign

Iupati/ Pouncey trade back scenario, strengthen OL and get best CB or BPA in 2nd round.

WoodleyofTroy
04-01-2010, 01:13 PM
This is by far one of my favorite draft posts...great work WoodleyofTroy!!!


1) Joe Haden, Cornerback, Florida.
2) Rolando McClain, Inside Linebacker, Alabama.
3) Earl Thomas, Defensive back, Texas.
4) Trent Williams, Offensive Tackle, Oklahoma.
5) C.J. Spiller, Running Back, Clemson.

Trade back:
1) Mike Iupati, Guard, Idaho.
2) Brandon Graham, Outside Linebacker, Michigan.
3) Maurkice Pouncey, Center/Guard, Florida.


WHAT IF: We all agree that we will need to trade up to get Haden/Mcclain even some are saying Thomas won't last till 18. If that is the case, who would you try to trade for if all 3 lasted till the 15 selection, one will far short of us? Make the scenario more difficult all these players are still on the board at 15

Would you make the trade up for the best CB or LB, a versatile DB, a potential LT ?
Stay put?
Trade back?

Haden- potential #1 CB, guarantee if loss to IKE, lots of competition in DB
McClain- future replacement for Farrior or if Timmons switches out to OLB
Thomas- same for Haden, but can play S
Williams- start at T, move Colon at G, insurance if Colon doesn't sign

Iupati/ Pouncey trade back scenario, strengthen OL and get best CB or BPA in 2nd round.


Trade up: Individually, probably Joe Haden. But the more I think of Earl Thomas paired with Polamalu, the more excited I get. Not only is he a Pro Bowl talent in his own right, but his playing style would also extend Troy's career. Vice versa. An instant "that's not fair" impression from other teams fans.

I wouldn't mind trading up slightly for Thomas. Yes it would be better if he was there at #18, but I don't think I'm willing to take that chance (see Revis).

Tough question though. You could make a case for all four of them (I think Trent Williams will end up being the best Tackle in the draft).

WoodleyofTroy
04-03-2010, 03:12 PM
Does Defense win championships?

Steelers trade Ben Roethlisberger to the Seattle Seahawks for #6 and #14 overall.
Steelers trade Santonio Holmes to the Arizona Cardinals for #26 overall.


#6 - Eric Berry FS Tennessee
#14 - Rolando McClain ILB Alabama
#18 - Brandom Graham OLB Michigan
#26 - Kyle Wilson CB Boise State


We could put Gary Coleman at Quarterback and still go undefeated. Who would score on us?


Okay I'm done.

SteelCzar76
04-03-2010, 03:36 PM
Does Defense win championships?

Steelers trade Ben Roethlisberger to the Seattle Seahawks for #6 and #14 overall.
Steelers trade Santonio Holmes to the Arizona Cardinals for #26 overall.


#6 - Eric Berry FS Tennessee
#14 - Rolando McClain ILB Alabama
#18 - Brandom Graham OLB Michigan
#26 - Kyle Wilson CB Boise State


We could put Gary Coleman at Quarterback and still go undefeated. Who would score on us?


Okay I'm done.


:lol: Dude your are probably very right here,..as well as being hilarious. (Doesn't mean we're talking any long walks in the park together though) lol

hawaiiansteel
04-03-2010, 03:41 PM
Does Defense win championships?

Steelers trade Ben Roethlisberger to the Seattle Seahawks for #6 and #14 overall.
Steelers trade Santonio Holmes to the Arizona Cardinals for #26 overall.


#6 - Eric Berry FS Tennessee
#14 - Rolando McClain ILB Alabama
#18 - Brandom Graham OLB Michigan
#26 - Kyle Wilson CB Boise State


We could put Gary Coleman at Quarterback and still go undefeated. Who would score on us?


http://www.vinmag.com/online/media/gbu0/prodlg/TS065.jpg

WoodleyofTroy
04-03-2010, 03:51 PM
lol

NJ-STEELER
04-03-2010, 06:12 PM
This is by far one of my favorite draft posts...great work WoodleyofTroy!!!


1) Joe Haden, Cornerback, Florida.
2) Rolando McClain, Inside Linebacker, Alabama.
3) Earl Thomas, Defensive back, Texas.
4) Trent Williams, Offensive Tackle, Oklahoma.
5) C.J. Spiller, Running Back, Clemson.

Trade back:
1) Mike Iupati, Guard, Idaho.
2) Brandon Graham, Outside Linebacker, Michigan.
3) Maurkice Pouncey, Center/Guard, Florida.


WHAT IF: We all agree that we will need to trade up to get Haden/Mcclain even some are saying Thomas won't last till 18. If that is the case, who would you try to trade for if all 3 lasted till the 15 selection, one will far short of us? Make the scenario more difficult all these players are still on the board at 15

Would you make the trade up for the best CB or LB, a versatile DB, a potential LT ?
Stay put?
Trade back?

Haden- potential #1 CB, guarantee if loss to IKE, lots of competition in DB
McClain- future replacement for Farrior or if Timmons switches out to OLB
Thomas- same for Haden, but can play S
Williams- start at T, move Colon at G, insurance if Colon doesn't sign

Iupati/ Pouncey trade back scenario, strengthen OL and get best CB or BPA in 2nd round.


Trade up: Individually, probably Joe Haden. But the more I think of Earl Thomas paired with Polamalu, the more excited I get. Not only is he a Pro Bowl talent in his own right, but his playing style would also extend Troy's career. Vice versa. An instant "that's not fair" impression from other teams fans.

I wouldn't mind trading up slightly for Thomas. Yes it would be better if he was there at #18, but I don't think I'm willing to take that chance (see Revis).

Tough question though. You could make a case for all four of them (I think Trent Williams will end up being the best Tackle in the draft).

if mcclain is off the board at #15 i can see the giants and steelers (once again) doing some business if we think we have to move up a few spots to draft someone like thomas or wilson.

NYG can then go to 18 and draft weatherspoon, who fits better in their 4-3 then our 3-4

WoodleyofTroy
04-03-2010, 06:18 PM
[quote="steeler_george":36eb4hqp]This is by far one of my favorite draft posts...great work WoodleyofTroy!!!


1) Joe Haden, Cornerback, Florida.
2) Rolando McClain, Inside Linebacker, Alabama.
3) Earl Thomas, Defensive back, Texas.
4) Trent Williams, Offensive Tackle, Oklahoma.
5) C.J. Spiller, Running Back, Clemson.

Trade back:
1) Mike Iupati, Guard, Idaho.
2) Brandon Graham, Outside Linebacker, Michigan.
3) Maurkice Pouncey, Center/Guard, Florida.


WHAT IF: We all agree that we will need to trade up to get Haden/Mcclain even some are saying Thomas won't last till 18. If that is the case, who would you try to trade for if all 3 lasted till the 15 selection, one will far short of us? Make the scenario more difficult all these players are still on the board at 15

Would you make the trade up for the best CB or LB, a versatile DB, a potential LT ?
Stay put?
Trade back?

Haden- potential #1 CB, guarantee if loss to IKE, lots of competition in DB
McClain- future replacement for Farrior or if Timmons switches out to OLB
Thomas- same for Haden, but can play S
Williams- start at T, move Colon at G, insurance if Colon doesn't sign

Iupati/ Pouncey trade back scenario, strengthen OL and get best CB or BPA in 2nd round.


Trade up: Individually, probably Joe Haden. But the more I think of Earl Thomas paired with Polamalu, the more excited I get. Not only is he a Pro Bowl talent in his own right, but his playing style would also extend Troy's career. Vice versa. An instant "that's not fair" impression from other teams fans.

I wouldn't mind trading up slightly for Thomas. Yes it would be better if he was there at #18, but I don't think I'm willing to take that chance (see Revis).

Tough question though. You could make a case for all four of them (I think Trent Williams will end up being the best Tackle in the draft).

if mcclain is off the board at #15 i can see the giants and steelers (once again) doing some business if we think we have to move up a few spots to draft someone like thomas or wilson.

NYG can then go to 18 and draft weatherspoon, who fits better in their 4-3 then our 3-4[/quote:36eb4hqp]

I can definitely see that as a likely scenario.

RuthlessBurgher
04-05-2010, 12:05 AM
[quote="steeler_george":gsq41si5]This is by far one of my favorite draft posts...great work WoodleyofTroy!!!


1) Joe Haden, Cornerback, Florida.
2) Rolando McClain, Inside Linebacker, Alabama.
3) Earl Thomas, Defensive back, Texas.
4) Trent Williams, Offensive Tackle, Oklahoma.
5) C.J. Spiller, Running Back, Clemson.

Trade back:
1) Mike Iupati, Guard, Idaho.
2) Brandon Graham, Outside Linebacker, Michigan.
3) Maurkice Pouncey, Center/Guard, Florida.


WHAT IF: We all agree that we will need to trade up to get Haden/Mcclain even some are saying Thomas won't last till 18. If that is the case, who would you try to trade for if all 3 lasted till the 15 selection, one will far short of us? Make the scenario more difficult all these players are still on the board at 15

Would you make the trade up for the best CB or LB, a versatile DB, a potential LT ?
Stay put?
Trade back?

Haden- potential #1 CB, guarantee if loss to IKE, lots of competition in DB
McClain- future replacement for Farrior or if Timmons switches out to OLB
Thomas- same for Haden, but can play S
Williams- start at T, move Colon at G, insurance if Colon doesn't sign

Iupati/ Pouncey trade back scenario, strengthen OL and get best CB or BPA in 2nd round.


Trade up: Individually, probably Joe Haden. But the more I think of Earl Thomas paired with Polamalu, the more excited I get. Not only is he a Pro Bowl talent in his own right, but his playing style would also extend Troy's career. Vice versa. An instant "that's not fair" impression from other teams fans.

I wouldn't mind trading up slightly for Thomas. Yes it would be better if he was there at #18, but I don't think I'm willing to take that chance (see Revis).

Tough question though. You could make a case for all four of them (I think Trent Williams will end up being the best Tackle in the draft).

if mcclain is off the board at #15 i can see the giants and steelers (once again) doing some business if we think we have to move up a few spots to draft someone like thomas or wilson.

NYG can then go to 18 and draft weatherspoon, who fits better in their 4-3 then our 3-4[/quote:gsq41si5]

The following is a rambling stream of consciousness of what might happen in the first 15 picks to allow us to possibly get Joe Haden by trading up to #15 with the Giants as suggested (please bear with me...my writing is being influenced by too many Cadbury Creme Eggs in my system today).

We know that OT is big need for both Seattle and San Francisco, both of which have 2 first round picks before we pick. After this McNabb trade went down, Washington isn't going to take Clausen...they are likely to take Okung (I'm assuming that Bradford-Suh-McCoy go 1-2-3 to the Rams, Lions, and Bucs).

After them, Seattle could likely take Bulaga (there are connections between K.C. G.M. Scott Pioli and Iowa H.C. Kirk Ferentz...they were in Cleveland together from 93-95, and moved to Baltimore together in 96).

Seattle then has to decide whether they should draft their OT right away at #6 (is Trent Williams worth the 6th overall pick?) or if they should get the B.P.A. at #6 instead (someone like Eric Berry) and wait until #14 to take their OT. Let's say they take Berry (who I think is a minimum top 3 talent), since they have a need at safety as well (they cut starting safety Deon Grant, who subsequently signed with the Giants).

Cleveland could pass on another N.D. QB (Holmgren seems to prefer McCoy in round 2 to Clausen in round 1) and could instead react to the Shaun Rogers gun incident (possible jail time or suspension) with a Dan Williams pick (Mangini understands the importance of a solid NT to the 3-4 defense when he traded for Kris Jenkins when he was with the Jets).

Oakland takes athletic freak Bruce Campbell as expected.

Clausen falls into Buffalo's lap.

Jacksonville takes the best available pass rusher, such as Derrick Morgan (or else panic sets in and they take Tebow in a desperate effort to sell tickets).

If Denver takes Dez Bryant, then the Dolphins could take Rolando McClain (or if Denver takes McClain, then the Dolphins could take Bryant).

Now comes San Francisco's first of two picks (they pick again at #17). They really like Haden, but they also need an OT. They know Seattle is one pick behind them, and will almost certainly will take Trent Williams at #14 if San Fran picks Haden at #13. The Niners may not like Anthony Davis of Rutgers due to reports of his poor work ethic and maturity issues (not a Singletary type player), so they do not want to get stuck with Davis at #17. They would likely rather take Trent Williams at #13 and settle for the next best CB, Kyle Wilson at #17 than take Haden at #13 and have to settle for Davis at #17.

Then, Seattle, desperate for an OT, has no choice but to take Anthony Davis, since they cannot possibly come out of a draft with two picks in the top 14 and not have an OT to replace Walter Jones (they will get both Hasselbeck and Whitehurst killed).

Now it is the Giants pick, and McClain is off the board. Weatherspoon is their man, but as mentioned earlier, they could trade down a few spots to get him. We give the Giants our first and third in exchange for their first and fifth to move up to #15 for Haden. (That is a much better deal than the first and second that we would have to give Miami in exchange for their first and fourth to move up to #12 for Haden).

If the draft fell like this, I would be happy (getting Haden and keeping our second round pick would suit me quite well).

Whew...I think it is time for another Creme Egg. :wink:

Shawn
04-05-2010, 12:12 AM
If we were picking in the 30's like we should be, we'd all be hoping for Iupati or Pouncey to fall to us. Which would be very unlikely.

Just something to think about in case we do have to "settle".

Oh absolutely...if we were in the 30's, I would be all over the likes of Iupati, Pouncey, Odrick, Wilson, etc., hoping they would fall to us. But since we are in the teens, I'm thinking about other higher ranked players that may fall to us (or at least fall within reasonable range for a trade-up).

If Berry drops to 10 (which he won't because he will go to Cleveland) but if he did...and we didn't make a play to trade up I would be highly disappointed.

NJ-STEELER
04-05-2010, 12:16 AM
nice scenario

ruth

Shawn
04-05-2010, 12:26 AM
Wow...RB what's it like living inside that head? That was genius and psychosis all rolled up in one post. I loved it. :tt2

hawaiiansteel
04-05-2010, 01:49 AM
[quote="steeler_george":1ronh427]This is by far one of my favorite draft posts...great work WoodleyofTroy!!!


1) Joe Haden, Cornerback, Florida.
2) Rolando McClain, Inside Linebacker, Alabama.
3) Earl Thomas, Defensive back, Texas.
4) Trent Williams, Offensive Tackle, Oklahoma.
5) C.J. Spiller, Running Back, Clemson.

Trade back:
1) Mike Iupati, Guard, Idaho.
2) Brandon Graham, Outside Linebacker, Michigan.
3) Maurkice Pouncey, Center/Guard, Florida.


WHAT IF: We all agree that we will need to trade up to get Haden/Mcclain even some are saying Thomas won't last till 18. If that is the case, who would you try to trade for if all 3 lasted till the 15 selection, one will far short of us? Make the scenario more difficult all these players are still on the board at 15

Would you make the trade up for the best CB or LB, a versatile DB, a potential LT ?
Stay put?
Trade back?

Haden- potential #1 CB, guarantee if loss to IKE, lots of competition in DB
McClain- future replacement for Farrior or if Timmons switches out to OLB
Thomas- same for Haden, but can play S
Williams- start at T, move Colon at G, insurance if Colon doesn't sign

Iupati/ Pouncey trade back scenario, strengthen OL and get best CB or BPA in 2nd round.


Trade up: Individually, probably Joe Haden. But the more I think of Earl Thomas paired with Polamalu, the more excited I get. Not only is he a Pro Bowl talent in his own right, but his playing style would also extend Troy's career. Vice versa. An instant "that's not fair" impression from other teams fans.

I wouldn't mind trading up slightly for Thomas. Yes it would be better if he was there at #18, but I don't think I'm willing to take that chance (see Revis).

Tough question though. You could make a case for all four of them (I think Trent Williams will end up being the best Tackle in the draft).

if mcclain is off the board at #15 i can see the giants and steelers (once again) doing some business if we think we have to move up a few spots to draft someone like thomas or wilson.

NYG can then go to 18 and draft weatherspoon, who fits better in their 4-3 then our 3-4

The following is a rambling stream of consciousness of what might happen in the first 15 picks to allow us to possibly get Joe Haden by trading up to #15 with the Giants as suggested (please bear with me...my writing is being influenced by too many Cadbury Creme Eggs in my system today).

We know that OT is big need for both Seattle and San Francisco, both of which have 2 first round picks before we pick. After this McNabb trade went down, Washington isn't going to take Clausen...they are likely to take Okung (I'm assuming that Bradford-Suh-McCoy go 1-2-3 to the Rams, Lions, and Bucs).

After them, Seattle could likely take Bulaga (there are connections between K.C. G.M. Scott Pioli and Iowa H.C. Kirk Ferentz...they were in Cleveland together from 93-95, and moved to Baltimore together in 96).

Seattle then has to decide whether they should draft their OT right away at #6 (is Trent Williams worth the 6th overall pick?) or if they should get the B.P.A. at #6 instead (someone like Eric Berry) and wait until #14 to take their OT. Let's say they take Berry (who I think is a minimum top 3 talent), since they have a need at safety as well (they cut starting safety Deon Grant, who subsequently signed with the Giants).

Cleveland could pass on another N.D. QB (Holmgren seems to prefer McCoy in round 2 to Clausen in round 1) and could instead react to the Shaun Rogers gun incident (possible jail time or suspension) with a Dan Williams pick (Mangini understands the importance of a solid NT to the 3-4 defense when he traded for Kris Jenkins when he was with the Jets).

Oakland takes athletic freak Bruce Campbell as expected.

Clausen falls into Buffalo's lap.

Jacksonville takes the best available pass rusher, such as Derrick Morgan (or else panic sets in and they take Tebow in a desperate effort to sell tickets).

If Denver takes Dez Bryant, then the Dolphins could take Rolando McClain (or if Denver takes McClain, then the Dolphins could take Bryant).

Now comes San Francisco's first of two picks (they pick again at #17). They really like Haden, but they also need an OT. They know Seattle is one pick behind them, and will almost certainly will take Trent Williams at #14 if San Fran picks Haden at #13. The Niners may not like Anthony Davis of Rutgers due to reports of his poor work ethic and maturity issues (not a Singletary type player), so they do not want to get stuck with Davis at #17. They would likely rather take Trent Williams at #13 and settle for the next best CB, Kyle Wilson at #17 than take Haden at #13 and have to settle for Davis at #17.

Then, Seattle, desperate for an OT, has no choice but to take Anthony Davis, since they cannot possibly come out of a draft with two picks in the top 14 and not have an OT to replace Walter Jones (they will get both Hasselbeck and Whitehurst killed).

Now it is the Giants pick, and McClain is off the board. Weatherspoon is their man, but as mentioned earlier, they could trade down a few spots to get him. We give the Giants our first and third in exchange for their first and fifth to move up to #15 for Haden. (That is a much better deal than the first and second that we would have to give Miami in exchange for their first and fourth to move up to #12 for Haden).

If the draft fell like this, I would be happy (getting Haden and keeping our second round pick would suit me quite well).

Whew...I think it is time for another Creme Egg. :wink:[/quote:1ronh427]


i would not trade up with the NY Giants and give up our 3rd rounder under your scenario and here's why -

let's say the NY Giants select their man Sean Weatherspoon at #15 so now with two more picks to go before our turn at #18, the following players are all still available:

Joe Haden, Earl Thomas, Kyle Wilson, C J Spiller, Brandon Graham, Jared Odrick, Mike Iupati, and Maurkice Pouncey.

we would be guaranteed to get Haden, Thomas or Wilson without having to give up our 3rd rounder...in a draft this deep that 3rd round selection could be a very good player, is Haden that much better than Thomas or Wilson to pay such a steep price?



Taking another look at the Gators’ NFL Draft prospects with 17 days to go


Only 17 days to go until the 2010 NFL Draft (April 22-24 in New York City) and over the last couple of months, we have spent WAY too much time discussing just one Florida Gator — some guy named Tim Tebow (though we’re probably not the only ones).

With the draft process coming down to crunch time, now is the perfect time to take a look at all of the Gators, not just Tebow, and see how their stock has risen or fallen in the three months since the 2009 season ended.

All season long it was a foregone conclusion that the Gators would have two top-10 picks — Carlos Dunlap and Joe Haden. Well Haden is probably a long-shot at this point, especially since the team most likely to pick him early, the Browns, just traded for CB Shelden Brown. And Dunlap, once considered by Mel Kiper to be the No. 3 overall prospect, isn’t even listed in Kiper’s top five DEFENSIVE ENDS because of inconsistent play on his game film.

Here is what I believe to be the current draft stock of the top 12 draft-eligible Gators, in alphabetical order:


WR Riley Cooper (Stock: Neutral) — His big showing came at the Senior Bowl. Ran a 4.55 in the 40 at the Combine and opted not to run at Pro Day. Scouts love his size, blocking skills and ability to make circus catches, but he needs to stop dropping the easy ones. Prediction: 4th Round

DE Jermaine Cunningham (Stock: Neutral) — Cunningham is one of the Gators’ most intriguing prospects because he hasn’t worked out much since the season due to injury. At 6-foot-4, 266, Cunningham is versatile enough to play LDE in a 4-3 or, more likely, the pass-rushing OLB in a 3-4. The NFL is a “pass rusher’s league,” as scouts like to say, so expect Cunningham to come off the board early if he has a good showing this week. Prediction: Early 2nd round

DE Carlos Dunlap (Stock: Dropping) — Dunlap has always had motor problems, and now scouts are starting to catch on. He actually has performed well in Combine drills — a 4.69 in Indianapolis and a 4.59 at Pro Day — but NFL.com analyst Mike Mayock sees him slipping to the second round because of his consistency issues (and not his DUI). But like I said before, the NFL is a pass-rusher’s league, and Dunlap has freakish skills when he wants to use them. Prediction: Late first round

CB Joe Haden (Stock: Neutral) — Haden took a beating at the Combine when he ran a 4.57 in the 40, but said he was competing with a back injury and made amends with a 4.44 at Pro Day. He’s still considered the top cornerback in the draft, but may not be as “elite” as originally thought. And Cleveland’s acquisition of Brown doesn’t bode well for the Browns taking a cornerback seventh overall. Prediction: Middle first round

TE Aaron Hernandez (Stock: Rising) — Six-foot-two tight ends usually aren’t considered elite prospects, but Hernandez has done everything and more to prove that he can make an instant impact in the NFL — ran a 4.58 and 4.63, put up 30 reps of 225 in the bench press and displayed good hands, crisp route-running and elusive moves during workouts. And then you see this statement from Mayock: “has some off-the-field issues.” Hmmmm. Then again, those “off-the-field issues” didn’t seem to affect Percy Harvin’s performance much in 2009 (and Hernandez is supposed to work out for the Vikings this week). Prediction: Early second round

RB/KR Brandon James (Stock: Neutral) — Going to have trouble sneaking into the back end of the draft, given his size (5-foot-6), lack of production in 2009 (324 total yards of offense, 7.4 yards per punt return) and his inability to work out for teams because of the foot injury. Prediction: Undrafted free agent

WR David Nelson (Stock: Rising) — No one outside of Tebow helped himself more at Pro Day than Nelson, who ran a 4.57 and posted 38 inches in the broad jump at Pro Day. Add in his 6-foot-5 size, solid downfield blocking skills, familiarity with special teams and solid character, and Nelson is suddenly an intriguing draft prospect. Prediction: Sixth round

C Maurkice Pouncey (Stock: Neutral) — Pouncey’s stock is neutral only because he’s always been considered one of the top interior linemen in the draft. Kiper has him as the top-rated center, and Mayock considers him an “immediate starter who won’t be overwhelmed.” Idaho G Mike Iupati will probably be the first interior lineman selected, and Pouncey will likely go soon after. Prediction: Mid-to-late first round

LB Brandon Spikes (Stock: Falling FAST) — Spikes could have left UF after 2008 and been a first or second round pick. Now after a mediocre 2009 season and horrible performances in Combine drills, Spikes will be lucky to get selected in the second round and maybe even the second DAY. Spikes ran a ghastly 5.05 at Pro Day, and followed it up with a 5.07 in his second try. He’s never been fast, but he was slow and out of shape for much of 2009 because of a lingering ankle injury, and it has carried over to his pre-draft workouts. Spikes’ distant cousin, 49ers linebacker Takeo Spikes, even said that Spikes could fall all the way to the fourth round. But Spikes is also a very intelligent and studious linebacker (he kept several binders full of notes and wore No. 51 to honor his favorite linebacker, Dick Butkus), so someone will grab him before long. Prediction: Third round

LB Ryan Stamper (Stock: Neutral) — Stamper was the Gators’ defensive MVP in 2009 and is smart enough to play all of the linebacker positions and excel on special teams. But he’s not very fast or physical. He’ll need a good showing this week to sneak into the end of the draft. He’ll definitely be in an NFL camp this fall, but sticking around will be a longshot. Prediction: Undrafted free agent

QB Tim Tebow (Stock: Up) — Dropped to the third-fourth round with his poor performance during Senior Bowl week, but has impressed a lot of scouts in the weeks since with his physical stature and ability to learn quickly. We’ve covered Tebow ad naseum, so no need to go in-depth now. But I’ll say this — Tebow will go higher than expected, perhaps as high as No. 9 to the Bills, and Todd McShay’s head will explode on live TV. Prediction: Late first round (if Buffalo doesn’t take him at 9. Yes, I know that’s a cop out. Sue me.)

S Major Wright (Stock: Up) — Wright is another player who has done well for himself in workouts since deciding to forgo his final season at Florida. Ran a highly respectable 4.48 at the Combine, has always been known as a big thumper, and at 6-foot, 204 pounds, has the necessary size to play safety at the next level. Leaving school early was probably a smart move, because his stock would probably only drop. He is training in Delray Beach and has a workout scheduled with the Miami Dolphins this week. Prediction: Fourth round

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NJ-STEELER
04-05-2010, 02:24 AM
the only thing is if they truly are looking to CB, then they leave the chance of a team selecting or trading up to 16,17 and drafting them right before we pick.

SF would certainly pick a CB. that would just 1 team looking to trade up

hawaiiansteel
04-05-2010, 02:45 AM
the only thing is if they truly are looking to CB, then they leave the chance of a team selecting or trading up to 16,17 and drafting them right before we pick.

SF would certainly pick a CB. that would just 1 team looking to trade up


once the Giants draft Weatherspoon at #16, only two picks (#16 & #17) are in front of our pick at #18. Joe Haden Earl Thomas and Kyle Wilson all are still available, in this scenario we are guaranteed to at least get one of the 3.

WoodleyofTroy
04-13-2010, 02:28 PM
Does Defense win championships?

Steelers trade Ben Roethlisberger to the Seattle Seahawks for #6 and #14 overall.
Steelers trade Santonio Holmes to the Arizona Cardinals for #26 overall.


#6 - Eric Berry FS Tennessee
#14 - Rolando McClain ILB Alabama
#18 - Brandom Graham OLB Michigan
#26 - Kyle Wilson CB Boise State


We could put Gary Coleman at Quarterback and still go undefeated. Who would score on us?


Okay I'm done.

Patriots could pull something like this off.

Steelers?

Ben traded for a 4th. Holmes traded for a 5th.

4th round - Ryan McBean's twin brother.
5th round - Cameron Stephenson's cousin.

WoodleyofTroy
04-21-2010, 01:33 PM
Since this is no longer a fantasy, let's hope that the Steelers can pull this off, IF it has to happen, in which I don't want it to (just to clear that up).

They already fumbled the Holmes trade.

Without Ben, be prepared for the Offense to suffer regardless. So I don't like Offense in the first round at all this year.

Create a Defense of an unimaginable group of players that it resembles an All star team on Madden. So much talent, that you all need is a QB to snap the ball and kneel to not forfeit the game. Talent, where the Offense takes a safety on every possession to not get in the way of the Defense scoring 7 every time out.

Eric Berry(6), Joe Haden(14), and Rolando McClain(18).

Added to Troy Polamalu, LaMarr Woodley, James Harrison, Ziggy Hood, Lawrence Timmons, Aaron Smith, Ike Taylor, and Casey Hampton.