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Dee Dub
03-26-2010, 11:51 AM
Adam Shein of foxsports.com

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl

The media has really gotten out of hand. This is ridiculous.

NW Steeler
03-26-2010, 11:54 AM
Bullsh!t.

flippy
03-26-2010, 11:54 AM
Ben needs to win the SuperBowl this year. That will quiet everyone.

NW Steeler
03-26-2010, 12:00 PM
I swear to God if I hear one more person lump the motorcycle incident with these other allegations I'm going to punch them in the face!

Lebsteel
03-26-2010, 12:07 PM
I swear to God if I hear one more person lump the motorcycle incident with these other allegations I'm going to punch them in the face!
OK, punch this dude...
http://msn.foxsports.com/video/NFL?vid=564de30a-296f-495d-8321-13b7705cc83c&from=foxsports/nfl/moresports

SteelAbility
03-26-2010, 12:11 PM
I swear to God if I hear one more person lump the motorcycle incident with these other allegations I'm going to punch them in the face!
OK, punch this dude...
http://msn.foxsports.com/video/NFL?vid=564de30a-296f-495d-8321-13b7705cc83c&from=foxsports/nfl/moresports

Ironically enough, when I went to the link, an AT&T commercial came up with the text "When you compare there just is no comparison." :lol:

RuthlessBurgher
03-26-2010, 12:22 PM
I swear to God if I hear one more person lump the motorcycle incident with these other allegations I'm going to punch them in the face!

Byron Hout was overheard saying to LeGarrette Blount: "Roethlisberger's had THREE bouts of poor judgement off the field! Georgia, Tahoe, and riding his Hayabusa helmetless!" :P

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SteelBucks
03-26-2010, 12:36 PM
Adam Shein of foxsports.com

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl

The media has really gotten out of hand. This is ridiculous.

I usually like Shein's writing but this one is "out there".

flippy
03-26-2010, 12:38 PM
I swear to God if I hear one more person lump the motorcycle incident with these other allegations I'm going to punch them in the face!

I better duck. :oops:

Seriously, I think of these incidents together. They're things Ben does that jeopardize our chances of winning #7. I just want another SuperBowl. And I need #7 to make that happen.

NW Steeler
03-26-2010, 12:42 PM
I swear to God if I hear one more person lump the motorcycle incident with these other allegations I'm going to punch them in the face!

I better duck. :oops:

Seriously, I think of these incidents together. They're things Ben does that jeopardize our chances of winning #7. I just want another SuperBowl. And I need #7 to make that happen.

No worries, I like to bark a lot but don't "bite" very often! You are right, we won't get #7 without #7.....all of these incidents show poor judgement, so in that manner they could all be lumped together. It's time for Ben to grow up and live up to his responsibilty of being the face of the franchise and his $100 million contract.

Oviedo
03-26-2010, 12:46 PM
I think we may be underestimating how "pissed" the Rooney's are. Question is do they put morals above winning? I don't think they want the annual Big Ben off season distraction.

I think Ben leaving is very, very unlikely however if it happened I could understand why. I truly think the Rooney's see themselves as different than the many of the other owners in this league. Less about ego and power and more about doing what is right and the greater good.

flippy
03-26-2010, 12:51 PM
[quote="NW Steeler":272w74e7]I swear to God if I hear one more person lump the motorcycle incident with these other allegations I'm going to punch them in the face!

I better duck. :oops:

Seriously, I think of these incidents together. They're things Ben does that jeopardize our chances of winning #7. I just want another SuperBowl. And I need #7 to make that happen.

No worries, I like to bark a lot but don't "bite" very often! You are right, we won't get #7 without #7.....all of these incidents show poor judgement, so in that manner they could all be lumped together. It's time for Ben to grow up and live up to his responsibilty of being the face of the franchise and his $100 million contract.[/quote:272w74e7]

As an aside, I've never really understood wanting to punch someone until I saw that long blond haired guy perform on American idol. First time I saw him I got it. He's got such a dumb(goofy) look on his face.

It reminds me of the guy in StepBrothers that wanted to punch Will Ferrel in the face for looking so goofy.

We should have a nation punch someone in the face holiday. Preferably it would be March 29 so we could have Monday off work. :D

flippy
03-26-2010, 12:52 PM
I think we may be underestimating how "pissed" the Rooney's are. Question is do they put morals above winning? I don't think they want the annual Big Ben off season distraction.

I think Ben leaving is very, very unlikely however if it happened I could understand why. I truly think the Rooney's see themselves as different than the many of the other owners in this league. Less about ego and power and more about doing what is right and the greater good.

I also wonder the effect of the Steelers' new owners.

Does what the Rooneys think carry as much weight as it used to?

Oviedo
03-26-2010, 12:57 PM
I think we may be underestimating how "pissed" the Rooney's are. Question is do they put morals above winning? I don't think they want the annual Big Ben off season distraction.

I think Ben leaving is very, very unlikely however if it happened I could understand why. I truly think the Rooney's see themselves as different than the many of the other owners in this league. Less about ego and power and more about doing what is right and the greater good.

I also wonder the effect of the Steelers' new owners.

Does what the Rooneys think carry as much weight as it used to?

By all appearances, the Rooneys still have complete operational control. The other investors probably have about as much control over the Steelers as you do with your mutual fund. Very little. Your fund manager doesn't ask what you want him to do.

NW Steeler
03-26-2010, 01:08 PM
[quote="NW Steeler":3hg3qeiw]I swear to God if I hear one more person lump the motorcycle incident with these other allegations I'm going to punch them in the face!

I better duck. :oops:

Seriously, I think of these incidents together. They're things Ben does that jeopardize our chances of winning #7. I just want another SuperBowl. And I need #7 to make that happen.

No worries, I like to bark a lot but don't "bite" very often! You are right, we won't get #7 without #7.....all of these incidents show poor judgement, so in that manner they could all be lumped together. It's time for Ben to grow up and live up to his responsibilty of being the face of the franchise and his $100 million contract.

As an aside, I've never really understood wanting to punch someone until I saw that long blond haired guy perform on American idol. First time I saw him I got it. He's got such a dumb(goofy) look on his face.

It reminds me of the guy in StepBrothers that wanted to punch Will Ferrel in the face for looking so goofy.

We should have a nation punch someone in the face holiday. Preferably it would be March 29 so we could have Monday off work. :D[/quote:3hg3qeiw]

I like your thinking Flippy! For me it was that Sanjaya m'fer a couple of years ago. Unfortunately he hails from the same state as me......I hope i never run into him...

SteelBucks
03-26-2010, 01:19 PM
I think we may be underestimating how "pissed" the Rooney's are. Question is do they put morals above winning? I don't think they want the annual Big Ben off season distraction.

I think Ben leaving is very, very unlikely however if it happened I could understand why. I truly think the Rooney's see themselves as different than the many of the other owners in this league. Less about ego and power and more about doing what is right and the greater good.

I can see the Rooney's having a sit down with Ben after this is over. IMO, I don't think Ben will be cut/traded because of this incident (unless charges are filed) but his leash will definitely be shorter.

flippy
03-26-2010, 01:24 PM
I think we may be underestimating how "pissed" the Rooney's are. Question is do they put morals above winning? I don't think they want the annual Big Ben off season distraction.

I think Ben leaving is very, very unlikely however if it happened I could understand why. I truly think the Rooney's see themselves as different than the many of the other owners in this league. Less about ego and power and more about doing what is right and the greater good.

I also wonder the effect of the Steelers' new owners.

Does what the Rooneys think carry as much weight as it used to?

By all appearances, the Rooneys still have complete operational control. The other investors probably have about as much control over the Steelers as you do with your mutual fund. Very little. Your fund manager doesn't ask what you want him to do.

This is a little different because Ben is the franchise.

So there's a lot more at stake.

I wonder if they would be less silent in this scenario.

SteelCrazy
03-26-2010, 01:26 PM
[quote=flippy][quote="NW Steeler":1tdw7fq3]I swear to God if I hear one more person lump the motorcycle incident with these other allegations I'm going to punch them in the face!

I better duck. :oops:

Seriously, I think of these incidents together. They're things Ben does that jeopardize our chances of winning #7. I just want another SuperBowl. And I need #7 to make that happen.

No worries, I like to bark a lot but don't "bite" very often! You are right, we won't get #7 without #7.....all of these incidents show poor judgement, so in that manner they could all be lumped together. It's time for Ben to grow up and live up to his responsibilty of being the face of the franchise and his $100 million contract.

As an aside, I've never really understood wanting to punch someone until I saw that long blond haired guy perform on American idol. First time I saw him I got it. He's got such a dumb(goofy) look on his face.

It reminds me of the guy in StepBrothers that wanted to punch Will Ferrel in the face for looking so goofy.

We should have a nation punch someone in the face holiday. Preferably it would be March 29 so we could have Monday off work. :D[/quote:1tdw7fq3]

I like your thinking Flippy! For me it was that Sanjaya m'fer a couple of years ago. Unfortunately he hails from the same state as me......I hope i never run into him...[/quote:1tdw7fq3]


American Idol is for sissies!

Unless Howard Stern takes over for Simon.....

ramblinjim
03-26-2010, 01:33 PM
Some buddies of mine and I were talking the other day about Ben's incidents and tried to relate to what we would be like if we were 28, a two time Super Bowl winning quarterback, with $100M in my pocket. It's hard, part of me says I wouldn't have made it to 28 because I was an immature idiot at 22 and would have drank and slept my way through Pittsburgh and back again if I had that kind of opportunity.

At 37, I look at him and think "dude, WTF?????"

As a 30+ year Steeler fan, I want Ben to get it together, play football, settle down and get his off season under some semblance of control and win two more Super Bowl's with the Steelers and stay the h3ll out of the 6'oclock news.

From the Rooney's perspective, you know if there's no football in 2011 and they can dump a problematic Ben and his salary with no "cap" hit, and let's say this amounts to something and charges are filed or worse Ben has to plea bargain his way out of something or buy his way out of something.......there has to be some thought given to the fact that even though the Steelers never won a Super Bowl without having a Franchise Quarterback, they were competitive and they got close year after year under Bill Cowher....

I don't want that to happen, at all but I could see how those thoughts would creep into your head....

cruzer8
03-26-2010, 01:58 PM
Reading through this and I can't tell the difference between the sh*t and the Scheinola.

Ghost
03-26-2010, 02:29 PM
Nothing more than a shocking decree that he'll bring back up if it happens (even though I don't belive there is any chance at all) but will be conveniently forgotten and never mentioned again when Ben is behind center come 2011.

While the Rooney's certainly want the Steelers image to be one beyond reproach; they didn't just refinance the team so they could continue ownership becasue they are horrible businessmen. Winning is good business. Ben equals winning, certainly 100 times more than bringing in someone else. Ben's not going anywhere.

aggiebones
03-26-2010, 03:04 PM
The Rooneys won't cut a guy in 2011 worrying about a caphit. Unlike in Washington, they understand that a caphit actually is MONEY.
Ben won't get another contract any time soon, but as long as this doesn't go pearshaped, we are stuck with the situation we are in.
So much so, that it doesn't even need to be discussed.
He didn't rape her or beat her. So he may get a slap on the wrist in the courts and in the NFL and we'll go on from there.

hawaiiansteel
03-26-2010, 04:47 PM
The Rooneys won't cut a guy in 2011 worrying about a caphit. Unlike in Washington, they understand that a caphit actually is MONEY.
Ben won't get another contract any time soon, but as long as this doesn't go pearshaped, we are stuck with the situation we are in.
So much so, that it doesn't even need to be discussed.
He didn't rape her or beat her. So he may get a slap on the wrist in the courts and in the NFL and we'll go on from there.



For the record... Roethlisberger's contract with the Steelers runs through 2015 and still has more than $66 million due in salary to him over the next six seasons, including a salary in 2010 of $8,050,000.

I very much look forward to Ben earning every cent of that wearing the Black & Gold :tt2 :tt1

Steel Life
03-26-2010, 08:04 PM
From Florio to Schein to Kreigel, they're all looking for scoops with varying degrees of "outrage" & public flogging...& the truth of it is that they don't know sh*t. This is the only thing we have given these guys to really sink their teeth into. Every year they get stuff wrong about us because they don't know enough to care. They get things wrong about the team because we aren't a "glamor" franchise, we don't make big signings in FA, our clubhouse doesn't have the drama & intrigue they're looking for, so they project & assume & that's what they're doing now - projecting. The fact is that they don't really know the Rooneys except for the Rooney Rule & "The Chief", & they don't give credence to past second chances the team has given to other players. I'm not saying that the Rooney's will look the other way, but you have to think they will consider all the different factors involved & make a decision that's best for the team without worrying what the rest say.

SteelCzar76
03-26-2010, 08:41 PM
I think we may be underestimating how "pissed" the Rooney's are. Question is do they put morals above winning? I don't think they want the annual Big Ben off season distraction.

I think Ben leaving is very, very unlikely however if it happened I could understand why. I truly think the Rooney's see themselves as different than the many of the other owners in this league. Less about ego and power and more about doing what is right and the greater good.


This post might actually be "Church". And i don't mean that jokingly but in a sense of "In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti" where the Rooney's are concerned. (As well as even myself)

Shawn
03-26-2010, 09:58 PM
Nothing more than a shocking degree that he'll bring back up if it happens (even though I don't belive there is any chance at all) but will be conveniently forgotten and never mentioned again when Ben is behind center come 2011.

While the Rooney's certainly want the Steelers image to be one beyond reproach; they didn't just refinance the team so they could continue ownership becasue they are horrible businessmen. Winning is good business. Ben equals winning, certainly 100 times more than bringing in someone else. Ben's not going anywhere.

$$$...morals and standards are valued in my book. I like to think the Steelers are above. But, lets be honest...it's a business. And when all is said and done it remains a business. Ben puts fannies in the seats and money in the bank. He is the franchise and we are not even close to competitive without him. An old D...a bad OL and Dixon as our starter? Yeah welcome to Cleveland East.

BURGH86STEEL
03-26-2010, 10:04 PM
I don't think he is going anywhere if he is not found guilty. However, I do think he will be suspended for 1 or more games.

I think Ben is as good as gone if he gets himself involved in another negative incident with women.

bostonsteeler
03-26-2010, 11:30 PM
Idiotic.

Lets see.

He drove helmetless and nearly died -- +1

McNulty slung bogus charges at him. She's proven bonafide nutty. -- +0.

20 year old super-drunk chick claims he assaulted her. No evidence is found. She appears interview shy. The entire episode looks suspicious. -- +0.5


I give that 1.5 counts of stupidity against Ben. The Georgia incident may dwindile to a 0.

So what we have is that Ben drove helmetless 5 years ago and likes boffing women of dubious moral fibre. Thats it?

These media types are morons.

skyhawk
03-26-2010, 11:49 PM
Idiotic.

Lets see.

He drove helmetless and nearly died -- +1

McNulty slung bogus charges at him. She's proven bonafide nutty. -- +0.

20 year old super-drunk chick claims he assaulted her. No evidence is found. She appears interview shy. The entire episode looks suspicious. -- +0.5


I give that 1.5 counts of stupidity against Ben. The Georgia incident may dwindile to a 0.

So what we have is that Ben drove helmetless 5 years ago and likes boffing women of dubious moral fibre. Thats it?

These media types are morons.

Yep.

The media has always loved to hate on the Steelers and this is giving them more fuel for the fire!!! :moon

skyhawk
03-26-2010, 11:49 PM
Idiotic.

Lets see.

He drove helmetless and nearly died -- +1

McNulty slung bogus charges at him. She's proven bonafide nutty. -- +0.

20 year old super-drunk chick claims he assaulted her. No evidence is found. She appears interview shy. The entire episode looks suspicious. -- +0.5


I give that 1.5 counts of stupidity against Ben. The Georgia incident may dwindile to a 0.

So what we have is that Ben drove helmetless 5 years ago and likes boffing women of dubious moral fibre. Thats it?

These media types are morons.

Yep.

The media has always loved to hate on the Steelers and this is giving them more fuel for the fire!!! :moon

Sugar
03-27-2010, 08:52 AM
People are holding on to this salacious news for whatever reason. Some other teams fans hate the Steelers. Some Steeters fans are always finding a reason to complain about the Steelers. Some people naturally want to favor the little 20-year old kid against the big, rich jock. Whatever.

I'm sure that the Rooney's don't like the bad press, but the fact remains that Ben has yet to be charged with a crime of any kind. Not drunk driving, not possession of illegal drugs, firearms or kiddie porn. Nothing.

The sad thing is, that it seems more probable that Ben did nothing wrong in this case but he will have no redress to regain his reputation. There will be no monetary damages or probably even public humiliation for the (probably) false accuser.

If the Rooney's cut him loose over stuff like this, it will be the biggest mistake in the history of the franchise. It ain't happenin!

Shoe
03-27-2010, 04:51 PM
I think we may be underestimating how "pissed" the Rooney's are. Question is do they put morals above winning?

Morals? You're jumping the gun a little IMO. The Tahoe incident was bad judgement... but it seems that he didn't "rape" the woman. This incident... again stupidity on Ben's part, but rape? (If it seems I don't know much about the cases, it's because I don't. I try to ignore all this BS).

And with the motorcycle, obvious it's not a moral issue there.

More than anything, it shows how immature acting Ben is... especially when you consider the amount of responsibility he's signed on for (it's like the newly married husband, who still acts like he's single/unattached.)

Your post makes it sound like Ben is OJ Simpson. As far as is known, Ben's an immature, rich horndog with poor motorcycle skills... not Saddam Hussein.

Starlifter
03-28-2010, 06:29 AM
maybe i have a bit of a different perspective. I hate the media as much as anyone else - and in general I think sportswriters should not even be categorized as 'journalists'. The reality is though it's not the media who's responsible for making this a big deal - it's us, the fans. We care. We devour everything we can about the Steelers. We know every player, what they make, what their injuries are. We show up and sellout every game spending a ton of money along the way. We shut down the city on Sundays and take the time to post on message boards in March. It's because we care so much, the NFL is able to generate the revenue it does. It's because we care so much that Ben is able to paid over 100 million dollars. You think anyone really gives a crap if Pete Weber nails a hostess? (go on, look up his name - you know you have to).

In a perfect world our QB would win superbowls, sign autographs, get married, lay low, do funny commercials and love the city and the fans as much as we try to love him. Rarely, does that happen. I'll take the superbowls, hope he keeps his wick dry, try not to be offended when he won't sign a jersey but at the same time realize that everything he does is deservedly under a microscope. That's what he's being paid for.

stlrz d
03-28-2010, 07:29 PM
maybe i have a bit of a different perspective. I hate the media as much as anyone else - and in general I think sportswriters should not even be categorized as 'journalists'. The reality is though it's not the media who's responsible for making this a big deal - it's us, the fans. We care. We devour everything we can about the Steelers. We know every player, what they make, what their injuries are. We show up and sellout every game spending a ton of money along the way. We shut down the city on Sundays and take the time to post on message boards in March. It's because we care so much, the NFL is able to generate the revenue it does. It's because we care so much that Ben is able to paid over 100 million dollars. You think anyone really gives a crap if Pete Weber nails a hostess? (go on, look up his name - you know you have to).

In a perfect world our QB would win superbowls, sign autographs, get married, lay low, do funny commercials and love the city and the fans as much as we try to love him. Rarely, does that happen. I'll take the superbowls, hope he keeps his wick dry, try not to be offended when he won't sign a jersey but at the same time realize that everything he does is deservedly under a microscope. That's what he's being paid for.

What if it was Walter Ray Williams Jr who did it? :D :D :D

hawaiiansteel
03-28-2010, 07:47 PM
maybe i have a bit of a different perspective. I hate the media as much as anyone else - and in general I think sportswriters should not even be categorized as 'journalists'. The reality is though it's not the media who's responsible for making this a big deal - it's us, the fans. We care. We devour everything we can about the Steelers. We know every player, what they make, what their injuries are. We show up and sellout every game spending a ton of money along the way. We shut down the city on Sundays and take the time to post on message boards in March. It's because we care so much, the NFL is able to generate the revenue it does. It's because we care so much that Ben is able to paid over 100 million dollars. You think anyone really gives a crap if Pete Weber nails a hostess? (go on, look up his name - you know you have to).

In a perfect world our QB would win superbowls, sign autographs, get married, lay low, do funny commercials and love the city and the fans as much as we try to love him. Rarely, does that happen. I'll take the superbowls, hope he keeps his wick dry, try not to be offended when he won't sign a jersey but at the same time realize that everything he does is deservedly under a microscope. That's what he's being paid for.

What if it was Walter Ray Williams Jr who did it? :D :D :D



i would still count it as a STRIKE against him... :lol:


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