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fordfixer
03-25-2010, 01:49 AM
Attorney: 'Just no way to prosecute' Ben Roethlisberger's case
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football ... case_N.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/steelers/2010-03-24-ben-roethlisberger-case_N.htm)

By Gary Mihoces, USA TODAY
The attorney for Ben Roethlisberger says the Georgia Bureau of Investigation (GBI) has withdrawn its request for a DNA sample from the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback. The bureau is not confirming that, and opinions differ on what such a decision could suggest.

Roethlisberger is under investigation in Milledgeville, Ga., where a 20-year-old college student filed a sexual assault complaint against him March 5. No criminal charges have been filed.

"The GBI is not requesting at this point any DNA testing. They originally requested it, and then they withdrew their request," Roethlisberger's Atlanta-based attorney Ed Garland said Wednesday.

GBI spokesman John Bankhead said: "That came from Garland. We haven't said one way or the other."

Garland declined to speculate on the implications of what he said was the decision to withdraw the DNA testing request.

"My position has been uniform throughout that I'm not going to comment on the evidence or the investigation by the prosecution or the investigation that I'm doing," said Garland.

"I will say that it's my opinion that a thoughtful and thorough investigation is being done by law enforcement."

However, an attorney who represents one of two off-duty western Pennsylvania police officers who were in a group with Roethlisberger in Georgia did see significance in the report from Garland.

"That tells me what I've thought all along. There's just no way to prosecute this case. There's no crime," said Pittsburgh area attorney Michael Santicola, who represents Coraopolis, Pa., police officer Anthony Barravecchio.

"As a lawyer, that's what it tells me. At the very beginning when I heard the whole story, I kind of shook my head at what they were doing down there. I can't imagine how in the world they could charge him with any crime."

Page Pate, an Atlanta trial lawyer not involved with the case, took a counter view.

"DNA only becomes important if the person that's been accused said, 'Look I was no where near the girl, we never had any physical contact and she's making all this up,' " said Pate.

"If he's saying, 'Yeah, I was there, I was in the restroom with her, I was in the club with her,' the only issue is whether he assaulted her or whether there was consent involved. Then DNA is not that important. If the allegation is basically that he grabbed me without my consent, made sexual moves towards me but didn't actually have intercourse, then providing a DNA sample is not going to really help them determine whether or not he did those things."

Police have not revealed the specifics of the allegation.

Under Georgia law, sexual assault includes a broad range of crimes, from rape (with 25 years mandatory imprisonment) to misdemeanor sexual battery, defined as intentionally making "physical contact with the intimate parts of the body of another person" without consent.

Pate on misdemeanor sexual battery convictions in general: "It's only going to be a probation only sentence or a very short jail time, one to two months, with the remainder on probation. I've never seen a misdemeanor sexual battery case result in more time than a couple of months in jail."

Garland said Thursday that he stands by his original statement that "no sexual assault occurred" and that Roethlisberger is "completely innocent."

Garland: "I haven't changed that statement in any respect."

He again declined comment on whether he might allow Roethlisberger to be interviewed by police.

Jooser
03-25-2010, 07:09 AM
"As a lawyer, that's what it tells me. At the very beginning when I heard the whole story, I kind of shook my head at what they were doing down there. I can't imagine how in the world they could charge him with any crime."


nuff said, let's move on to the draft....

SteelBucks
03-25-2010, 11:49 AM
"As a lawyer, that's what it tells me. At the very beginning when I heard the whole story, I kind of shook my head at what they were doing down there. I can't imagine how in the world they could charge him with any crime."


nuff said, let's move on to the draft....

I'll feel better once he's officially cleared.

Goodell will still meet with Ben but, if he's not charged, I can't see him getting suspended. He might be put on double secret probation or go through some sort of counseling but that's about it.

NWNewell
03-30-2010, 09:14 AM
"As a lawyer, that's what it tells me. At the very beginning when I heard the whole story, I kind of shook my head at what they were doing down there. I can't imagine how in the world they could charge him with any crime."


nuff said, let's move on to the draft....

I'll feel better once he's officially cleared.

Goodell will still meet with Ben but, if he's not charged, I can't see him getting suspended. He might be put on double secret probation or go through some sort of counseling but that's about it.

If you ask me, guilty or not.... He should be suspended.

He is fully guilty of being any idiot. Twice in less than a year, even if he has not done what they say he's done and taken things as far as they say he has. He has gone far enough to put himself in a position to be compromised.

If Goodell doesn't, I hope the Rooneys do.

He should be suspended not just to set an example that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated in the NFL or by the Rooney's, but also to for Ben's benefit as well. If he is not held accountable by the league, or at least his peers, for his poor judgment and inappropriate behavior, then he will not learn from this experience and he and the team could be right back here 6 months later.

There has to be some sort of accountability for being a dumb ass.

feltdizz
03-30-2010, 11:54 AM
"As a lawyer, that's what it tells me. At the very beginning when I heard the whole story, I kind of shook my head at what they were doing down there. I can't imagine how in the world they could charge him with any crime."


nuff said, let's move on to the draft....

I wish it was that easy but there is also this in the story...


"DNA only becomes important if the person that's been accused said, 'Look I was no where near the girl, we never had any physical contact and she's making all this up,' " said Pate.

"If he's saying, 'Yeah, I was there, I was in the restroom with her, I was in the club with her,' the only issue is whether he assaulted her or whether there was consent involved. Then DNA is not that important. If the allegation is basically that he grabbed me without my consent, made sexual moves towards me but didn't actually have intercourse, then providing a DNA sample is not going to really help them determine whether or not he did those things."
until it's closed shut I can't see how we "move on"

cruzer8
03-30-2010, 01:52 PM
"As a lawyer, that's what it tells me. At the very beginning when I heard the whole story, I kind of shook my head at what they were doing down there. I can't imagine how in the world they could charge him with any crime."


nuff said, let's move on to the draft....

I'll feel better once he's officially cleared.

Goodell will still meet with Ben but, if he's not charged, I can't see him getting suspended. He might be put on double secret probation or go through some sort of counseling but that's about it.

If you ask me, guilty or not.... He should be suspended.

He is fully guilty of being any idiot. Twice in less than a year, even if he has not done what they say he's done and taken things as far as they say he has. He has gone far enough to put himself in a position to be compromised.

If Goodell doesn't, I hope the Rooneys do.

He should be suspended not just to set an example that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated in the NFL or by the Rooney's, but also to for Ben's benefit as well. If he is not held accountable by the league, or at least his peers, for his poor judgment and inappropriate behavior, then he will not learn from this experience and he and the team could be right back here 6 months later.

There has to be some sort of accountability for being a dumb bad word.

Because suspending him will only punish the fans and his teammates. So it makes perfect sense, right?

Just because you're catching flak for being a Steelers fan and it hurts your feelings doesn't mean our franchise QB should be suspended if he's completely innocent.

Shawn
03-30-2010, 05:00 PM
"As a lawyer, that's what it tells me. At the very beginning when I heard the whole story, I kind of shook my head at what they were doing down there. I can't imagine how in the world they could charge him with any crime."


nuff said, let's move on to the draft....

I'll feel better once he's officially cleared.

Goodell will still meet with Ben but, if he's not charged, I can't see him getting suspended. He might be put on double secret probation or go through some sort of counseling but that's about it.

If you ask me, guilty or not.... He should be suspended.

He is fully guilty of being any idiot. Twice in less than a year, even if he has not done what they say he's done and taken things as far as they say he has. He has gone far enough to put himself in a position to be compromised.

If Goodell doesn't, I hope the Rooneys do.

He should be suspended not just to set an example that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated in the NFL or by the Rooney's, but also to for Ben's benefit as well. If he is not held accountable by the league, or at least his peers, for his poor judgment and inappropriate behavior, then he will not learn from this experience and he and the team could be right back here 6 months later.

There has to be some sort of accountability for being a dumb bad word.

Yeah well no one is asking ya. :)

feltdizz
03-30-2010, 08:55 PM
Because suspending him will only punish the fans and his teammates. So it makes perfect sense, right?




I think that is the point of punishing Ben... hopefully he see's what giving bitches shots can do to a team and a city...

frankthetank1
03-30-2010, 09:06 PM
Because suspending him will only punish the fans and his teammates. So it makes perfect sense, right?




I think that is the point of punishing Ben... hopefully he see's what giving bitches shots can do to a team and a city...

if you suspend ben you have suspend holmes. both cases are very similar and both skanks are just as credible in both cases. i think they should punish both some how but i dont want to see the first few games with dixon at qb and ward, wallace, and ARE as our top 3 wr's. why cant they just not pay them for half of a season? fines are always insignificant amounts to nfl players. can a team not pay a player for a season in a situation like this? that would send a BIG message!!

feltdizz
03-31-2010, 12:23 PM
Because suspending him will only punish the fans and his teammates. So it makes perfect sense, right?




I think that is the point of punishing Ben... hopefully he see's what giving bitches shots can do to a team and a city...

if you suspend ben you have suspend holmes. both cases are very similar and both skanks are just as credible in both cases. i think they should punish both some how but i dont want to see the first few games with dixon at qb and ward, wallace, and ARE as our top 3 wr's. why cant they just not pay them for half of a season? fines are always insignificant amounts to nfl players. can a team not pay a player for a season in a situation like this? that would send a BIG message!!

I'm not sure holmes will get suspended based on the chicks actions and the police report.

Not sure about Ben either but with 2 SA accusations and a much higher profile he could get a Goodell 4 gamer. Not because of guilt but because he has 2 huge media knocks against him in such a small window.

papillon
03-31-2010, 09:59 PM
"As a lawyer, that's what it tells me. At the very beginning when I heard the whole story, I kind of shook my head at what they were doing down there. I can't imagine how in the world they could charge him with any crime."


nuff said, let's move on to the draft....

I'll feel better once he's officially cleared.

Goodell will still meet with Ben but, if he's not charged, I can't see him getting suspended. He might be put on double secret probation or go through some sort of counseling but that's about it.

If you ask me, guilty or not.... He should be suspended.

He is fully guilty of being any idiot. Twice in less than a year, even if he has not done what they say he's done and taken things as far as they say he has. He has gone far enough to put himself in a position to be compromised.

If Goodell doesn't, I hope the Rooneys do.

He should be suspended not just to set an example that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated in the NFL or by the Rooney's, but also to for Ben's benefit as well. If he is not held accountable by the league, or at least his peers, for his poor judgment and inappropriate behavior, then he will not learn from this experience and he and the team could be right back here 6 months later.

There has to be some sort of accountability for being a dumb bad word.

Because suspending him will only punish the fans and his teammates. So it makes perfect sense, right?

Just because you're catching flak for being a Steelers fan and it hurts your feelings doesn't mean our franchise QB should be suspended if he's completely innocent.

He absolutely should have some consequences for his actions that have cast bad light on the Steeler organization. Ben should have to see what the results of his actions are and how they effect the team, his teammates and city.

Many don't believe this (probably the youngers on the board) and you may not want to hear this, but with great wealth and high standing comes great responsibility. I know ownership and responsibility are pesky little things that we are trying to get rid of, but they will always be there, thankfully.

Pappy

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
03-31-2010, 10:23 PM
Not sure about Ben either but with 2 SA accusations and a much higher profile he could get a Goodell 4 gamer. Not because of guilt but because he has 2 huge media knocks against him in such a small window.

There is no way that Ben gets suspended simply for 2 accusations. If he is found innocent then Goodell has no basis to suspend him. Personal conduct suspensions are not for going to a bar and being accused of something. They are not for using the word b*tch (which was alleged).

I could see the organization with a stern warning about his lack of judgement if he is found innocent, but that is about it.

NWNewell
04-01-2010, 07:57 AM
"As a lawyer, that's what it tells me. At the very beginning when I heard the whole story, I kind of shook my head at what they were doing down there. I can't imagine how in the world they could charge him with any crime."


nuff said, let's move on to the draft....

I'll feel better once he's officially cleared.

Goodell will still meet with Ben but, if he's not charged, I can't see him getting suspended. He might be put on double secret probation or go through some sort of counseling but that's about it.

If you ask me, guilty or not.... He should be suspended.

He is fully guilty of being any idiot. Twice in less than a year, even if he has not done what they say he's done and taken things as far as they say he has. He has gone far enough to put himself in a position to be compromised.

If Goodell doesn't, I hope the Rooneys do.

He should be suspended not just to set an example that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated in the NFL or by the Rooney's, but also to for Ben's benefit as well. If he is not held accountable by the league, or at least his peers, for his poor judgment and inappropriate behavior, then he will not learn from this experience and he and the team could be right back here 6 months later.

There has to be some sort of accountability for being a dumb bad word.

Because suspending him will only punish the fans and his teammates. So it makes perfect sense, right?

Just because you're catching flak for being a Steelers fan and it hurts your feelings doesn't mean our franchise QB should be suspended if he's completely innocent.

Nope, sorry. I'm not catching much flak at all, because I support the Steelers team, franchise, and the Rooneys above any single individual player. And I have thick enough skin and am psychologically mature enough to understand that a players actions from a team I support does not reflect on me as a person. My feelings are not hurt at all. But thanks for playing.

It's about personal accountability. And the law is not the end-all, be-all for governing personal accountability. When you are paid to represent and provide a service to an organization, you are expected to do so reliably and without hindering the team. His actions (guilty of a crime or not) have lead to uncertainty and distractions for the front office and the coaching staff about who their quarterback is going to be or, at the very least, how well he'll be able to perform this season and be focused on preparation during to offseason. The team shouldn't have to be worrying about that kind of stuff when they provided a 7yr/100mil contact to solidify the QB position. They need to be worrying about how they are going to improve from finishing 18th last year. Ben is not living up to his end of the agreement and I would love to see the Rooneys hold him accountable. Sorry, but as a professional athlete these days, your contract and paycheck is not purely for what you do on gameday, it's also about your commitment to preparation helping your franchise achieve it's goals off the field as well.

I'm not pro athlete, but even at my work, the company policy dictates that even if I were to get a DUI when not at work, I must report it to my company and meet with HR, even if I'm not convicted. (and even if the consequences of my DUI have no direct impact on my ability to perform my work). And the company can elect to deal with it as they see fit... and let me go if they choose.

papillon
04-01-2010, 08:24 AM
Nope, sorry. I'm not catching much flak at all, because I support the Steelers team, franchise, and the Rooneys above any single individual player. And I have thick enough skin and am psychologically mature enough to understand that a players actions from a team I support does not reflect on me as a person. My feelings are not hurt at all. But thanks for playing.

It's about personal accountability. And the law is not the end-all, be-all for governing personal accountability. When you are paid to represent and provide a service to an organization, you are expected to do so reliably and without hindering the team. His actions (guilty of a crime or not) have lead to uncertainty and distractions for the front office and the coaching staff about who their quarterback is going to be or, at the very least, how well he'll be able to perform this season and be focused on preparation during to offseason. The team shouldn't have to be worrying about that kind of stuff when they provided a 7yr/100mil contact to solidify the QB position. They need to be worrying about how they are going to improve from finishing 18th last year. Ben is not living up to his end of the agreement and I would love to see the Rooneys hold him accountable. Sorry, but as a professional athlete these days, your contract and paycheck is not purely for what you do on gameday, it's also about your commitment to preparation helping your franchise achieve it's goals off the field as well.

I'm not pro athlete, but even at my work, the company policy dictates that even if I were to get a DUI when not at work, I must report it to my company and meet with HR, even if I'm not convicted. (and even if the consequences of my DUI have no direct impact on my ability to perform my work). And the company can elect to deal with it as they see fit... and let me go if they choose.

All I have to say about this is the following:

:Bow :Bow :Bow :Bow :Bow :Bow

Couldn't have said it any better myself, outstanding.

Pappy

Djfan
04-01-2010, 09:56 AM
All I have to say about this is the following:

:Bow :Bow :Bow :Bow :Bow :Bow

Couldn't have said it any better myself, outstanding.

Pappy[/quote]

Agreed. It seems like everyone wants to live wrong and have it be OK today. Standards, ethics, morals CHARACTER, integrity, are all FAR above the law.

cruzer8
04-01-2010, 10:58 AM
Nope, sorry. I'm not catching much flak at all, because I support the Steelers team, franchise, and the Rooneys above any single individual player. And I have thick enough skin and am psychologically mature enough to understand that a players actions from a team I support does not reflect on me as a person. My feelings are not hurt at all. But thanks for playing.

It's about personal accountability. And the law is not the end-all, be-all for governing personal accountability. When you are paid to represent and provide a service to an organization, you are expected to do so reliably and without hindering the team. His actions (guilty of a crime or not) have lead to uncertainty and distractions for the front office and the coaching staff about who their quarterback is going to be or, at the very least, how well he'll be able to perform this season and be focused on preparation during to offseason. The team shouldn't have to be worrying about that kind of stuff when they provided a 7yr/100mil contact to solidify the QB position. They need to be worrying about how they are going to improve from finishing 18th last year. Ben is not living up to his end of the agreement and I would love to see the Rooneys hold him accountable. Sorry, but as a professional athlete these days, your contract and paycheck is not purely for what you do on gameday, it's also about your commitment to preparation helping your franchise achieve it's goals off the field as well.

I'm not pro athlete, but even at my work, the company policy dictates that even if I were to get a DUI when not at work, I must report it to my company and meet with HR, even if I'm not convicted. (and even if the consequences of my DUI have no direct impact on my ability to perform my work). And the company can elect to deal with it as they see fit... and let me go if they choose.

How's the view from on high?

Here's a newsflash for you: comparing your place of employment to the world of professional sports is not a valid comparison.



Agreed. It seems like everyone wants to live wrong and have it be OK today. Standards, ethics, morals CHARACTER, integrity, are all FAR above the law.

Live wrong according to whom?

feltdizz
04-01-2010, 11:00 AM
Nope, sorry. I'm not catching much flak at all, because I support the Steelers team, franchise, and the Rooneys above any single individual player. And I have thick enough skin and am psychologically mature enough to understand that a players actions from a team I support does not reflect on me as a person. My feelings are not hurt at all. But thanks for playing.

It's about personal accountability. And the law is not the end-all, be-all for governing personal accountability. When you are paid to represent and provide a service to an organization, you are expected to do so reliably and without hindering the team. His actions (guilty of a crime or not) have lead to uncertainty and distractions for the front office and the coaching staff about who their quarterback is going to be or, at the very least, how well he'll be able to perform this season and be focused on preparation during to offseason. The team shouldn't have to be worrying about that kind of stuff when they provided a 7yr/100mil contact to solidify the QB position. They need to be worrying about how they are going to improve from finishing 18th last year. Ben is not living up to his end of the agreement and I would love to see the Rooneys hold him accountable. Sorry, but as a professional athlete these days, your contract and paycheck is not purely for what you do on gameday, it's also about your commitment to preparation helping your franchise achieve it's goals off the field as well.

I'm not pro athlete, but even at my work, the company policy dictates that even if I were to get a DUI when not at work, I must report it to my company and meet with HR, even if I'm not convicted. (and even if the consequences of my DUI have no direct impact on my ability to perform my work). And the company can elect to deal with it as they see fit... and let me go if they choose.

All I have to say about this is the following:

:Bow :Bow :Bow :Bow :Bow :Bow

Couldn't have said it any better myself, outstanding.

Pappy
:Agree :Clap :tt2 :Beer :Bow

very well stated NW

papillon
04-01-2010, 12:32 PM
Nope, sorry. I'm not catching much flak at all, because I support the Steelers team, franchise, and the Rooneys above any single individual player. And I have thick enough skin and am psychologically mature enough to understand that a players actions from a team I support does not reflect on me as a person. My feelings are not hurt at all. But thanks for playing.

It's about personal accountability. And the law is not the end-all, be-all for governing personal accountability. When you are paid to represent and provide a service to an organization, you are expected to do so reliably and without hindering the team. His actions (guilty of a crime or not) have lead to uncertainty and distractions for the front office and the coaching staff about who their quarterback is going to be or, at the very least, how well he'll be able to perform this season and be focused on preparation during to offseason. The team shouldn't have to be worrying about that kind of stuff when they provided a 7yr/100mil contact to solidify the QB position. They need to be worrying about how they are going to improve from finishing 18th last year. Ben is not living up to his end of the agreement and I would love to see the Rooneys hold him accountable. Sorry, but as a professional athlete these days, your contract and paycheck is not purely for what you do on gameday, it's also about your commitment to preparation helping your franchise achieve it's goals off the field as well.

I'm not pro athlete, but even at my work, the company policy dictates that even if I were to get a DUI when not at work, I must report it to my company and meet with HR, even if I'm not convicted. (and even if the consequences of my DUI have no direct impact on my ability to perform my work). And the company can elect to deal with it as they see fit... and let me go if they choose.

How's the view from on high?

Here's a newsflash for you: comparing your place of employment to the world of professional sports is not a valid comparison.



Agreed. It seems like everyone wants to live wrong and have it be OK today. Standards, ethics, morals CHARACTER, integrity, are all FAR above the law.

Live wrong according to whom?

Maybe, everyone should raise their standards a bit and things would be different. If the girl in question had a tad higher morals she wouldn't have gone willingly into a bathroom (of all places) for sex. If Ben had a tad higher standard he wouldn't have even suggested it to begin with. If the bodyguards had though about what was transpiring maybe they would have suggested to Ben that it isn't a good idea.

We're not talking living like the Pope, Dali Llama or Mother Teresa, but showing a little class isn't a bad thing. If the chick wants to get laid by a superstar quarterback, suggest that they go back to his place and give him the birthday romp. Why not Ben suggest going back to his place, after all, it was about 1:00AM get your tail and leave.

Nobody's sitting "on high" about this, we're asking for a little civility and class. Evidently, that's too much ask these days.

Pappy

cruzer8
04-01-2010, 01:47 PM
How do you know who suggested what?

How do you know they were even in the bathroom together?

papillon
04-01-2010, 02:28 PM
How do you know who suggested what?

How do you know they were even in the bathroom together?

I don't; I wasn't there, none of us were. We're extrapolating information from articles, interviews and news clippings. If you choose to believe that Ben was not even in the bathroom at this point, that's fine, the reporting says differently. If you choose to believe that one and or both of them didn't suggest having a little rendezvous in the bathroom, that's fine, the reporting says differently. If you believe that the woman had no contact with Ben, fell on her on accord and hit her head, that's fine, the reporting says differently (although, we don't have any idea how she actually hit her head).

If you want to believe that Ben used outstanding discretion in this matter, that's fine. I happen to believe that he didn't, regardless of the outcome. In the end, I doubt anything comes of this, the bottom line for the Steelers is that Ben is causing a distraction leading up to the draft and the upcoming season.

Pappy

cruzer8
04-01-2010, 04:47 PM
How do you know who suggested what?

How do you know they were even in the bathroom together?

I don't; I wasn't there, none of us were. We're extrapolating information from articles, interviews and news clippings. If you choose to believe that Ben was not even in the bathroom at this point, that's fine, the reporting says differently. If you choose to believe that one and or both of them didn't suggest having a little rendezvous in the bathroom, that's fine, the reporting says differently. If you believe that the woman had no contact with Ben, fell on her on accord and hit her head, that's fine, the reporting says differently (although, we don't have any idea how she actually hit her head).

If you want to believe that Ben used outstanding discretion in this matter, that's fine. I happen to believe that he didn't, regardless of the outcome. In the end, I doubt anything comes of this, the bottom line for the Steelers is that Ben is causing a distraction leading up to the draft and the upcoming season.

Pappy

The only "reporting" that we have on Ben being in that bathroom is one of the girl's friends saying, "I thought she was in the bathroom but the guy guarding the door wouldn't let me in to see."

Can you show me any "reporting" that states that one of them or the other suggested they get together in the bathroom? Because I've read every story that's been posted on this subject and I have yet to see one that contained that info.

So there is no substantial proof that Ben was in there.

NWNewell
04-01-2010, 06:18 PM
How's the view from on high?

Here's a newsflash for you: comparing your place of employment to the world of professional sports is not a valid comparison.



Not a valid comparison? The standards of accountability and commitment to your colleagues are not the same between professional sports and my (and most others) place of employment? I couldn't agree more! :Clap

By they way... thanks for viewing my position as having high moral character. I try. :tt2

papillon
04-01-2010, 11:02 PM
How do you know who suggested what?

How do you know they were even in the bathroom together?

I don't; I wasn't there, none of us were. We're extrapolating information from articles, interviews and news clippings. If you choose to believe that Ben was not even in the bathroom at this point, that's fine, the reporting says differently. If you choose to believe that one and or both of them didn't suggest having a little rendezvous in the bathroom, that's fine, the reporting says differently. If you believe that the woman had no contact with Ben, fell on her on accord and hit her head, that's fine, the reporting says differently (although, we don't have any idea how she actually hit her head).

If you want to believe that Ben used outstanding discretion in this matter, that's fine. I happen to believe that he didn't, regardless of the outcome. In the end, I doubt anything comes of this, the bottom line for the Steelers is that Ben is causing a distraction leading up to the draft and the upcoming season.

Pappy

The only "reporting" that we have on Ben being in that bathroom is one of the girl's friends saying, "I thought she was in the bathroom but the guy guarding the door wouldn't let me in to see."

Can you show me any "reporting" that states that one of them or the other suggested they get together in the bathroom? Because I've read every story that's been posted on this subject and I have yet to see one that contained that info.

So there is no substantial proof that Ben was in there.

The fact that the case hasn't been dismissed tells me that Ben was (as has been written) in the bathroom with the girl. The fact that Willie Colon is silent tells me that Ben was alone with this girl somewhere, maybe a closet, maybe the bathroom, maybe a private room, but somewhere. The fact that paid bodyguards and friends haven't completely refuted anything that has been written up to this point tells me that Ben was alone with the girl.

Feel free to believe that nothing happened and Ben was the target of a gold digging whore if you like, but nothing I've read or heard leads me to that conclusion. I hope the case is dropped soon and Ben can get on with being a Steeler. I won't be surprised if the case isn't dropped.

Pappy