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Dee Dub
03-24-2010, 01:16 PM
Ben has never committed a crime. Ben has not been charged with a crime. Ben has never admitted to sexual contact with this 20 year old accuser. The GBI has no case. They have dropped their request for DNA samples from Ben because they have no physical evidence to match it with. They have no video evidence of Ben entering or leaving a women’s bathroom at any club. Nor do they have video evidence of Ben and this accuser entering or leaving a bathroom together. And they have no witnesses that can testify that Ben did anything wrong. In the case of the civil suit against Ben, there was never a crime committed. There was never any arrest. There was never any criminal charges filed against Ben and there was never even a police report filed by the accuser of the alleged assault. In that case the alleged victim (Andrea McNulty), bragged repeatedly through emails about being with Ben. And she also lied about her current psychiatric help, claiming it was needed because of depression brought on by what she alleges Ben did to her. This is not so. In fact it was unrelated to any alleged interaction with Ben. It was from…get this…a bizarre relationship she had with a married man. This man’s wife created a phony e-mail account, posing as a soldier in Iraq, apparently in the hopes of gaining information about McNulty's relationship with the married man. A former coworker of McNulty's claims that McNulty "fell in love" with the fictitious soldier, and that McNulty began telling people they were engaged. The wife of the married man stopped the correspondence, and McNulty then began telling people the fictitious soldier was killed in action. This women…Andrea McNulty…is a habitual liar, cheat and a thief. And for the GBI to even consider talking to her as part of their current investigation tells me again….they have no case and they are grasping at straws.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4984207

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... tric-care/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/07/21/questions-arise-regarding-mcnultys-psychiatric-care/)

feltdizz
03-24-2010, 01:48 PM
McNulty is a nut... but this is what happens when you sleep with a nut who you know nothing about. I'm not saying Ben can't sleep around... but most chicks who shag out of the blue on the first night are pyscho and prone to lie or change the facts.

Dee Dub
03-24-2010, 01:52 PM
McNulty is a nut... but this is what happens when you sleep with a nut who you know nothing about. I'm not saying Ben can't sleep around... but most chicks who shag out of the blue on the first night are pyscho and prone to lie or change the facts.

..and as a result of that...Ben deserves this? :roll: Anyone here who has never regretted sleeping with someone??

Stand up and throw that first stone.

Oviedo
03-24-2010, 02:10 PM
May all be true, but the reality is that Ben's reputation is toast forever.

If nothing ever come out of either of these cases, there will be a very large group that will always view this as a case where "rich boy" Ben bought his way out of trouble.

Who is to blame? Partially it is Ben himself for pursuing a lifestyle that has taken so many other celebtrities down the road to ruin. Ben has made terrible choices and needs to get smart that even though he has all the money in the world he cannot go out and have casual relationships with random, unfamiliar women. Just the fact whether fair or not.

My greatest concern is however that even after these two incidents and if Ben walks away with nothing, he will put himself in this situation again because of naivete and arrogance.

Dee Dub
03-24-2010, 02:20 PM
May all be true, but the reality is that Ben's reputation is toast forever.

If nothing ever come out of either of these cases, there will be a very large group that will always view this as a case where "rich boy" Ben bought his way out of trouble.

Who is to blame? Partially it is Ben himself for pursuing a lifestyle that has taken so many other celebtrities down the road to ruin. Ben has made terrible choices and needs to get smart that even though he has all the money in the world he cannot go out and have casual relationships with random, unfamiliar women. Just the fact whether fair or not.

My greatest concern is however that even after these two incidents and if Ben walks away with nothing, he will put himself in this situation again because of naivete and arrogance.


What bad choices did Ben make? Going out to a club with his buddies? He’s single and young. It seems that he actually made some good choices that night. One, he had bodies guards with him (off duty police offers), and two, immediately called his coach (Tomlin), to advise him of what happened.

As far as his reputation is concerned I don’t care about what others perceive of him. He hasn’t committed a crime nor has he done anything wrong. And haters will always hate. Especially if he continues to win championships.

Oviedo
03-24-2010, 02:28 PM
May all be true, but the reality is that Ben's reputation is toast forever.

If nothing ever come out of either of these cases, there will be a very large group that will always view this as a case where "rich boy" Ben bought his way out of trouble.

Who is to blame? Partially it is Ben himself for pursuing a lifestyle that has taken so many other celebtrities down the road to ruin. Ben has made terrible choices and needs to get smart that even though he has all the money in the world he cannot go out and have casual relationships with random, unfamiliar women. Just the fact whether fair or not.

My greatest concern is however that even after these two incidents and if Ben walks away with nothing, he will put himself in this situation again because of naivete and arrogance.


What bad choices did Ben make? Going out to a club with his buddies? He’s single and young. It seems that he actually made some good choices that night. One, he had bodies guards with him (off duty police offers), and two, immediately called his coach (Tomlin), to advise him of what happened.

As far as his reputation is concerned I don’t care about what others perceive of him. He hasn’t committed a crime nor has he done anything wrong. And haters will always hate. Especially if he continues to win championships.

OK. Sure Ben did nothing wrong. Ben showed great judgement being alone with a 20 year old coed in light of the Nevada accusations.

If you really think Ben has handled this smart then OK. I think given the fact that the people he works for and pay him are furious would indicate otherwise.

eniparadoxgma
03-24-2010, 02:41 PM
Ben has never committed a crime.

We don't know that. All we know is that he hasn't been charged with or convicted of any crimes. You would have to be Ben or the girl to know if he committed a crime, wouldn't you?


Ben has never admitted to sexual contact with this 20 year old accuser.

I'm pretty sure he's admitted to "contact that was not consummated". My guess here is that there was sexual contact that didn't involve intercourse. However, it could have been as little as a kiss I guess... I'd have to go back and look at his statement but I was under the impression that he admitted some type of sexual contact.


The GBI has no case.

You don't know that. There are other types of evidence other than DNA.


They have dropped their request for DNA samples from Ben because they have no physical evidence to match it with.

This appears to be true.


They have no video evidence of Ben entering or leaving a women’s bathroom at any club. Nor do they have video evidence of Ben and this accuser entering or leaving a bathroom together.

Have they come out and said this? I don't recall seeing this anywhere.


And they have no witnesses that can testify that Ben did anything wrong.

I'm fairly certain that the accuser would disagree with you...


Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying he's guilty of anything. I'm just saying that you're taking this too far. There were and are people persecuting him without cause in my opinion, but now the pendulum is swinging too far the other way. We don't know if he committed a crime. We don't know if the GBI has a case.

How about we let this thing run its course before we jump to conclusions?

SteelAbility
03-24-2010, 02:51 PM
Can we at least agree that whether it's football season or not, Ben has a hard time staying out of the sack? :wink:

plainnasty
03-24-2010, 03:08 PM
Ben has never committed a crime. Ben has not been charged with a crime. Ben has never admitted to sexual contact with this 20 year old accuser. The GBI has no case. They have dropped their request for DNA samples from Ben because they have no physical evidence to match it with. They have no video evidence of Ben entering or leaving a women’s bathroom at any club. Nor do they have video evidence of Ben and this accuser entering or leaving a bathroom together. And they have no witnesses that can testify that Ben did anything wrong. In the case of the civil suit against Ben, there was never a crime committed. There was never any arrest. There was never any criminal charges filed against Ben and there was never even a police report filed by the accuser of the alleged assault. In that case the alleged victim (Andrea McNulty), bragged repeatedly through emails about being with Ben. And she also lied about her current psychiatric help, claiming it was needed because of depression brought on by what she alleges Ben did to her. This is not so. In fact it was unrelated to any alleged interaction with Ben. It was from…get this…a bizarre relationship she had with a married man. This man’s wife created a phony e-mail account, posing as a soldier in Iraq, apparently in the hopes of gaining information about McNulty's relationship with the married man. A former coworker of McNulty's claims that McNulty "fell in love" with the fictitious soldier, and that McNulty began telling people they were engaged. The wife of the married man stopped the correspondence, and McNulty then began telling people the fictitious soldier was killed in action. This women…Andrea McNulty…is a habitual liar, cheat and a thief. And for the GBI to even consider talking to her as part of their current investigation tells me again….they have no case and they are grasping at straws.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4984207

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... tric-care/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/07/21/questions-arise-regarding-mcnultys-psychiatric-care/)

Apparently Ben did admit to sexual contact to the investigating officer the night of the incident. And you don't have any idea what people witnessed and what they didn't.

Dee Dub
03-24-2010, 03:14 PM
May all be true, but the reality is that Ben's reputation is toast forever.

If nothing ever come out of either of these cases, there will be a very large group that will always view this as a case where "rich boy" Ben bought his way out of trouble.

Who is to blame? Partially it is Ben himself for pursuing a lifestyle that has taken so many other celebtrities down the road to ruin. Ben has made terrible choices and needs to get smart that even though he has all the money in the world he cannot go out and have casual relationships with random, unfamiliar women. Just the fact whether fair or not.

My greatest concern is however that even after these two incidents and if Ben walks away with nothing, he will put himself in this situation again because of naivete and arrogance.


What bad choices did Ben make? Going out to a club with his buddies? He’s single and young. It seems that he actually made some good choices that night. One, he had bodies guards with him (off duty police offers), and two, immediately called his coach (Tomlin), to advise him of what happened.

As far as his reputation is concerned I don’t care about what others perceive of him. He hasn’t committed a crime nor has he done anything wrong. And haters will always hate. Especially if he continues to win championships.

OK. Sure Ben did nothing wrong. Ben showed great judgement being alone with a 20 year old coed in light of the Nevada accusations.

If you really think Ben has handled this smart then OK. I think given the fact that the people he works for and pay him are furious would indicate otherwise.

This isnt about whether Ben handled this smart. It's about whether or not Ben did anything wrong.

And can I see proof that Ben was alone with this woman??

Dee Dub
03-24-2010, 03:18 PM
Folks...witnesses and or confirmed video evidence is an automatic arrest and charges filed. Nearly three weeks gone by and no arrest. Think about it. They have none of this.

RuthlessBurgher
03-24-2010, 03:23 PM
We have no idea what the authorities have or do not have right now.

Jumping to a conclusion that he is guilty of anything at this point is foolhardy.

Jumping to a conclusion that he has done absolutely nothing wrong at this point is just as foolhardy.

I'm still waiting for more of "The facts!!" to come out before jumping to either conclusion.

Dee Dub
03-24-2010, 03:30 PM
We have no idea what the authorities have or do not have right now.

Jumping to a conclusion that he is guilty of anything at this point is foolhardy.

Jumping to a conclusion that he has done absolutely nothing wrong at this point is just as foolhardy.

I'm still waiting for more of "The facts!!" to come out before jumping to either conclusion.

Again...physical evidence (DNA), a witness (or witnesses), and or video evidence is an automatic arrest and charges filed against. This is a fact.

RuthlessBurgher
03-24-2010, 04:16 PM
We have no idea what the authorities have or do not have right now.

Jumping to a conclusion that he is guilty of anything at this point is foolhardy.

Jumping to a conclusion that he has done absolutely nothing wrong at this point is just as foolhardy.

I'm still waiting for more of "The facts!!" to come out before jumping to either conclusion.

Again...physical evidence (DNA), a witness (or witnesses), and or video evidence is an automatic arrest and charges filed against. This is a fact.

But does the lack of those things mean that Ben has never committed a crime? We don't know that. It merely means that no criminal charges have been filed at this point. We don't know for sure what evidence they may have or not have.

Based on what the media reports have told them, many people assume that Ben Roethlisberger is some sort of sexual deviant and possibly even a rapist scumbag. Raven fans may feel that way, but you do not.

Based on what the media reports have told you, you assume that Andrea McNulty is a habitual liar, cheat and a thief. You may feel that way, but McNulty's family likely does not.

Both are assumptions based solely on media reports right now.

Dee Dub
03-24-2010, 04:32 PM
We have no idea what the authorities have or do not have right now.

Jumping to a conclusion that he is guilty of anything at this point is foolhardy.

Jumping to a conclusion that he has done absolutely nothing wrong at this point is just as foolhardy.

I'm still waiting for more of "The facts!!" to come out before jumping to either conclusion.

Again...physical evidence (DNA), a witness (or witnesses), and or video evidence is an automatic arrest and charges filed against. This is a fact.

But does the lack of those things mean that Ben has never committed a crime? We don't know that. It merely means that no criminal charges have been filed at this point. We don't know for sure what evidence they may have or not have.

Based on what the media reports have told them, many people assume that Ben Roethlisberger is some sort of sexual deviant and possibly even a rapist scumbag. Raven fans may feel that way, but you do not.

Based on what the media reports have told you, you assume that Andrea McNulty is a habitual liar, cheat and a thief. You may feel that way, but McNulty's family likely does not.

Both are assumptions based solely on media reports right now.

No!! I have supplied evidence to the contrary. Look at the links provided in the original post. The information on Andrea McNulty are proven facts.

My friend I know this is hard for you to understand....but there isnt much evidence beyond physical, eye witness, or video evidence. Any of these would warrant an immediate arrest with charges being filed.

And when this all comes out shortly...you and everyone else are going to see something similar in the two cases. There were emails and posts on web-sites that were pulled. Remember when Ben's lawyer said he had proof that Ben had committed no crime?? :wink:

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
03-24-2010, 04:44 PM
Ben did admit to having sexual contact with the girl. That is not a crime...Yes. But to be correct, there choice of "where" could actually be charged as a misdemeanour. That is not the point.

However, any way it turns out...Ben is guilty of something.
1. A criminal act....Which I believe didn't take place.

OR

2. Act of poor judgement in his position.....TWICE!



So, if these allegations are totally false...Does it make Ben a bad person? No. What it does show is his lack of maturity, responsibilty, and his inability to make smart decisions off the field. Is that a concern...Yes.

Even if Ben is cleared in both cases, He "should", and more than likely "will", see some type of punishement from the league and/or the Steelers organization. His conduct needs to be addressed.

And by the way....He is my favorite Steeler....And it hurts to say all of that!

Dee Dub
03-24-2010, 04:51 PM
I'm pretty sure he's admitted to "contact that was not consummated". My guess here is that there was sexual contact that didn't involve intercourse. However, it could have been as little as a kiss I guess... I'd have to go back and look at his statement but I was under the impression that he admitted some type of sexual contact.

What would you consider a hug for a picture? Contact that was not consummated??

Look at these two different reports on what Ben allegedly said.


http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/ben-roethl ... d=10077171 (http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/ben-roethlisberger-accused-quarterback-admits-sexual-contact-intercourse/story?id=10077171)

and now from the actual source where the information came from....

http://kdka.com/steelers/Ben.Roethlisbe ... 52133.html (http://kdka.com/steelers/Ben.Roethlisberger.allegations.2.1552133.html)

Do you see the difference? Ben never said anything about any kind of sexual contact. None. Period. That came from irresponsible journalism.

Dee Dub
03-24-2010, 04:53 PM
Ben did admit to having sexual contact with the girl. That is not a crime...Yes. But to be correct, there choice of "where" could actually be charged as a misdemeanour. That is not the point.

You are wrong. Please read this and stop saying stuff that inst true. :roll:

http://kdka.com/steelers/Ben.Roethlisbe ... 52133.html (http://kdka.com/steelers/Ben.Roethlisberger.allegations.2.1552133.html)

aggiebones
03-24-2010, 05:05 PM
In all fairness to Ben, alot of guys chase skirt all day long well into their 30s. That said, he needs to start curtailing his loose activities now.
If nothing comes of these, then in 3-5 years his rep will be fine. Humans have a short memory for things that don't stick. Alas, hope they aren't true and if it was, I hope it was just a butt grab or something less heinous.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
03-24-2010, 05:38 PM
[quote="JUST-PLAIN-NASTY":1m5gx574]Ben did admit to having sexual contact with the girl. That is not a crime...Yes. But to be correct, there choice of "where" could actually be charged as a misdemeanour. That is not the point.

You are wrong. Please read this and stop saying stuff that inst true. :roll:

http://kdka.com/steelers/Ben.Roethlisbe ... 52133.html (http://kdka.com/steelers/Ben.Roethlisberger.allegations.2.1552133.html)[/quote:1m5gx574]

The Facts!
Ben admitted to having sexual contact with her. Roll your eyes at someone else.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/1303 ... er/cbsnews (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/13039574/report-roethlisberger-acknowledged-sexual-contact-with-accuser/cbsnews)

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ed-victim/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/10/report-roethlisberger-admitted-to-having-sexual-contact-with-alleged-victim/)

http://kdka.com/video/?id=70082@kdka.dayport.com

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/footb ... ith_a.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/2010/03/11/2010-03-11_pittsburgh_steelers_quarterback_ben_roethlisber ger_says_he_didnt_have_sex_with_a.html)

And even more important...The alleged victim has not shown up for another interview...And the case is falling apart.

http://kdka.com/video/?id=70082@kdka.dayport.com






http://kdka.com/steelers/Ben.Roethlisbe ... 87357.html (http://kdka.com/steelers/Ben.Roethlisberger.investigation.2.1587357.html)
Sources: Student Declines Interview With Police Reporting
Andy Sheehan PITTSBURGH (KDKA) ?

There are signs the potential sexual assault case against Steelers Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger could be falling apart.

First – the revelation that investigators apparently don't have key physical evidence of a crime.

Now the KDKA Investigators have learned that they could be running into an even bigger roadblock.

Just yesterday, KDKA learned that investigators were no longer requesting DNA from Roethlisberger.

Tonight, KDKA's Andy Sheehan reports that the alleged victim in the case has declined to be re-interviewed by police.

The fact that Georgia authorities no longer want Roethlisberger's DNA is significant to criminal justice experts who say there is now no physical evidence linking Roethlisberger to any potential crime.

"This statement from the authorities in Milledgeville, Georgia, markedly weakens the case, the potential case and significantly diminishes the likelihood of formal charges being filed against Roethlisberger," Dr. Cyril Wecht, a forensic pathologist, said.

Not only do prosecutors apparently not have any physical evidence of a crime, they may also be lacking a cooperating victim at this point.

Sources close to the investigation say that investigators have had trouble re-interviewing the woman since the night of the incident.

Sources say the 20-year-old co-ed did not show up for a scheduled interview a week ago yesterday and that as of Friday she still had not come in to be questioned.

And the same source says the investigation seems to have it a brick wall.

"Well they would have hit a brick wall," Robert Del Greco, a Pittsburgh area defense attorney, said.

Del Greco says if the victim does not cooperate, the case falls apart.

"Bottom line is no cooperative victim under these circumstances, probably no crime," he said.

In an interview, lead investigator Tom Davis of the Georgia Bureau of Investigation openly discussed the fact that Roethlisberger has not been re-interviewed, but declined to comment on whether the victim had been re-interviewed.

And in an email, the victim's attorney, Lee Parks, of Atlanta, also told KDKA's Andy Sheehan, "No comment."

But Del Greco says if she doesn't come forward, prosecutors may have to suspend the investigation.

"Unless you're willing to cooperate with us in the prosecution of a crime, we are not going to call this a crime," he said.

Dee Dub...There is a difference between getting the facts and running off at the mouth. You shouldn't swing your arms around without knowing the facts yourself.

Dee Dub
03-24-2010, 06:02 PM
[quote="Dee Dub":23589c2e][quote="JUST-PLAIN-NASTY":23589c2e]Ben did admit to having sexual contact with the girl. That is not a crime...Yes. But to be correct, there choice of "where" could actually be charged as a misdemeanour. That is not the point.

You are wrong. Please read this and stop saying stuff that inst true. :roll:

http://kdka.com/steelers/Ben.Roethlisbe ... 52133.html (http://kdka.com/steelers/Ben.Roethlisberger.allegations.2.1552133.html)[/quote:23589c2e]

The Facts!
Ben admitted to having sexual contact with her. Roll your eyes at someone else.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/1303 ... er/cbsnews (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/13039574/report-roethlisberger-acknowledged-sexual-contact-with-accuser/cbsnews)

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ed-victim/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/10/report-roethlisberger-admitted-to-having-sexual-contact-with-alleged-victim/)

http://kdka.com/video/?id=70082@kdka.dayport.com

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/footb ... ith_a.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/2010/03/11/2010-03-11_pittsburgh_steelers_quarterback_ben_roethlisber ger_says_he_didnt_have_sex_with_a.html)

And even more important...The alleged victim has not shown up for another interview...And the case is falling apart.

http://kdka.com/video/?id=70082@kdka.dayport.com






http://kdka.com/steelers/Ben.Roethlisbe ... 87357.html (http://kdka.com/steelers/Ben.Roethlisberger.investigation.2.1587357.html)
Sources: Student Declines Interview With Police Reporting
Andy Sheehan PITTSBURGH (KDKA) ?

There are signs the potential sexual assault case against Steelers Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger could be falling apart.

First – the revelation that investigators apparently don't have key physical evidence of a crime.

Now the KDKA Investigators have learned that they could be running into an even bigger roadblock.

Just yesterday, KDKA learned that investigators were no longer requesting DNA from Roethlisberger.

Tonight, KDKA's Andy Sheehan reports that the alleged victim in the case has declined to be re-interviewed by police.

The fact that Georgia authorities no longer want Roethlisberger's DNA is significant to criminal justice experts who say there is now no physical evidence linking Roethlisberger to any potential crime.

"This statement from the authorities in Milledgeville, Georgia, markedly weakens the case, the potential case and significantly diminishes the likelihood of formal charges being filed against Roethlisberger," Dr. Cyril Wecht, a forensic pathologist, said.

Not only do prosecutors apparently not have any physical evidence of a crime, they may also be lacking a cooperating victim at this point.

Sources close to the investigation say that investigators have had trouble re-interviewing the woman since the night of the incident.

Sources say the 20-year-old co-ed did not show up for a scheduled interview a week ago yesterday and that as of Friday she still had not come in to be questioned.

And the same source says the investigation seems to have it a brick wall.

"Well they would have hit a brick wall," Robert Del Greco, a Pittsburgh area defense attorney, said.

Del Greco says if the victim does not cooperate, the case falls apart.

"Bottom line is no cooperative victim under these circumstances, probably no crime," he said.

In an interview, lead investigator Tom Davis of the Georgia Bureau of Investigation openly discussed the fact that Roethlisberger has not been re-interviewed, but declined to comment on whether the victim had been re-interviewed.

And in an email, the victim's attorney, Lee Parks, of Atlanta, also told KDKA's Andy Sheehan, "No comment."

But Del Greco says if she doesn't come forward, prosecutors may have to suspend the investigation.

"Unless you're willing to cooperate with us in the prosecution of a crime, we are not going to call this a crime," he said.

Dee Dub...There is a difference between getting the facts and running off at the mouth. You shouldn't swing your arms around without knowing the facts yourself.[/quote:23589c2e]

Did you even read those reports by CBS and profootballtalk.com?? They reference the KDKA story and misquote what was actually written. Wow!

Read this...

http://kdka.com/steelers/Ben.Roethlisbe ... 52133.html (http://kdka.com/steelers/Ben.Roethlisberger.allegations.2.1552133.html)

This is what those sites are referencing in there stories and are misquoting what KDKA reported.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
03-24-2010, 06:50 PM
[quote="JUST-PLAIN-NASTY":32thkkpl][quote="Dee Dub":32thkkpl][quote="JUST-PLAIN-NASTY":32thkkpl]Ben did admit to having sexual contact with the girl. That is not a crime...Yes. But to be correct, there choice of "where" could actually be charged as a misdemeanour. That is not the point.

You are wrong. Please read this and stop saying stuff that inst true. :roll:

http://kdka.com/steelers/Ben.Roethlisbe ... 52133.html (http://kdka.com/steelers/Ben.Roethlisberger.allegations.2.1552133.html)[/quote:32thkkpl]

The Facts!
Ben admitted to having sexual contact with her. Roll your eyes at someone else.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/1303 ... er/cbsnews (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/13039574/report-roethlisberger-acknowledged-sexual-contact-with-accuser/cbsnews)

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ed-victim/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/10/report-roethlisberger-admitted-to-having-sexual-contact-with-alleged-victim/)

http://kdka.com/video/?id=70082@kdka.dayport.com

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/footb ... ith_a.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/2010/03/11/2010-03-11_pittsburgh_steelers_quarterback_ben_roethlisber ger_says_he_didnt_have_sex_with_a.html)

And even more important...The alleged victim has not shown up for another interview...And the case is falling apart.

http://kdka.com/video/?id=70082@kdka.dayport.com






http://kdka.com/steelers/Ben.Roethlisbe ... 87357.html (http://kdka.com/steelers/Ben.Roethlisberger.investigation.2.1587357.html)
Sources: Student Declines Interview With Police Reporting
Andy Sheehan PITTSBURGH (KDKA) ?

There are signs the potential sexual assault case against Steelers Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger could be falling apart.

First – the revelation that investigators apparently don't have key physical evidence of a crime.

Now the KDKA Investigators have learned that they could be running into an even bigger roadblock.

Just yesterday, KDKA learned that investigators were no longer requesting DNA from Roethlisberger.

Tonight, KDKA's Andy Sheehan reports that the alleged victim in the case has declined to be re-interviewed by police.

The fact that Georgia authorities no longer want Roethlisberger's DNA is significant to criminal justice experts who say there is now no physical evidence linking Roethlisberger to any potential crime.

"This statement from the authorities in Milledgeville, Georgia, markedly weakens the case, the potential case and significantly diminishes the likelihood of formal charges being filed against Roethlisberger," Dr. Cyril Wecht, a forensic pathologist, said.

Not only do prosecutors apparently not have any physical evidence of a crime, they may also be lacking a cooperating victim at this point.

Sources close to the investigation say that investigators have had trouble re-interviewing the woman since the night of the incident.

Sources say the 20-year-old co-ed did not show up for a scheduled interview a week ago yesterday and that as of Friday she still had not come in to be questioned.

And the same source says the investigation seems to have it a brick wall.

"Well they would have hit a brick wall," Robert Del Greco, a Pittsburgh area defense attorney, said.

Del Greco says if the victim does not cooperate, the case falls apart.

"Bottom line is no cooperative victim under these circumstances, probably no crime," he said.

In an interview, lead investigator Tom Davis of the Georgia Bureau of Investigation openly discussed the fact that Roethlisberger has not been re-interviewed, but declined to comment on whether the victim had been re-interviewed.

And in an email, the victim's attorney, Lee Parks, of Atlanta, also told KDKA's Andy Sheehan, "No comment."

But Del Greco says if she doesn't come forward, prosecutors may have to suspend the investigation.

"Unless you're willing to cooperate with us in the prosecution of a crime, we are not going to call this a crime," he said.

Dee Dub...There is a difference between getting the facts and running off at the mouth. You shouldn't swing your arms around without knowing the facts yourself.[/quote:32thkkpl]

Did you even read those reports by CBS and profootballtalk.com?? They reference the KDKA story and misquote what was actually written. Wow!

Read this...

http://kdka.com/steelers/Ben.Roethlisbe ... 52133.html (http://kdka.com/steelers/Ben.Roethlisberger.allegations.2.1552133.html)

This is what those sites are referencing in there stories and are misquoting what KDKA reported.[/quote:32thkkpl]
Hey Spanky...Did you see the video from KDKA which is the source that reported Ben admitted to having sexual contact with the acuser but not sexual intercourse. I provided you with the link. Maybe Mommy & Daddy didn't have a the talk about "The Birds & the Bees" with you yet and you are confused. Sexual contact doesn't mean sexual intercourse. I apologize to you if they didn't...How could I have known!!! :P

Dee Dub
03-24-2010, 07:07 PM
Hey Spanky...Did you see the video from KDKA which is the source that reported Ben admitted to having sexual contact with the acuser but not sexual intercourse. I provided you with the link. Maybe Mommy & Daddy didn't have a the talk about "The Birds & the Bees" with you yet and you are confused. Sexual contact doesn't mean sexual intercourse. I apologize to you if they didn't...How could I have known!!! :P

Hey if I offended you by asking that you read the link I provided and then asked that you stop saying things that arent true...then I apologize. I really dont know why you need to get like this though. All I can do is apologize. Sorry dude.

Shawn
03-25-2010, 12:35 AM
I'm about as big of a Ben supporter as they come so Dee I appreciate your efforts. With that said, if he went into the bathroom with that girl he is a moron. If he didn't then I agree with you. I do not see anything inherently wrong with clubbing and hanging with some college girls. I do not see going out for your birthday as wrong.

But, in light of 2 accusations...which we know one came from a girl with serious mental issues...Ben must step back and ask himself some questions. Is it really worth it? I think it's time put away the lil girls and only date women in his league. I think it's time he carry himself like he has some sense and maturity. While there is nothing wrong with clubbing there comes a time to put childish things behind you. Ben needs to realize his time his now. Because, I don't think he can dodge another one without serious ramifications.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
03-25-2010, 08:24 AM
[quote="JUST-PLAIN-NASTY":1rs6eqsi]
Hey Spanky...Did you see the video from KDKA which is the source that reported Ben admitted to having sexual contact with the acuser but not sexual intercourse. I provided you with the link. Maybe Mommy & Daddy didn't have a the talk about "The Birds & the Bees" with you yet and you are confused. Sexual contact doesn't mean sexual intercourse. I apologize to you if they didn't...How could I have known!!! :P

Hey if I offended you by asking that you read the link I provided and then asked that you stop saying things that arent true...then I apologize. I really dont know why you need to get like this though. All I can do is apologize. Sorry dude.[/quote:1rs6eqsi]

Maybe I overreacted. But you persist on saying no sexual contact took place and even the article from KDKA you are saying is the source says it did. It says "Sources say Roethlisberger concedes that he did have contact with the woman that was not consummated and that afterward the woman slipped and fell, injuring her head." Contact...No intercourse.

Secondly, I gave you multiple sources that support the claim and all you can say is that everyone misquoted KDKA...Which is ridiculous. It is right there....In the article that you keep saying is the source...That you keep providing in you posts.

Last, I actually gave you the video, FROM KDKA, that the reporter clearly says Roethlisberger concedes he had sexual contact (@1.23) and you still persist to deny it is true. You can type...So I assume you can read. I took it a step further in case you didn't understand the print.


It is your right to post anything you want. Arguing with members that are informative, open minded, and have credibility after they try to provide insight on a matter while providing you with the correct information is foolish. It was you Topic entitled "The Facts". Eveyone privided you with the facts and you were misinformed. I guess there is nothing else anyone could do for you.

Dee Dub
03-25-2010, 12:37 PM
[quote="Dee Dub":1y8g1tqm][quote="JUST-PLAIN-NASTY":1y8g1tqm]
Hey Spanky...Did you see the video from KDKA which is the source that reported Ben admitted to having sexual contact with the acuser but not sexual intercourse. I provided you with the link. Maybe Mommy & Daddy didn't have a the talk about "The Birds & the Bees" with you yet and you are confused. Sexual contact doesn't mean sexual intercourse. I apologize to you if they didn't...How could I have known!!! :P

Hey if I offended you by asking that you read the link I provided and then asked that you stop saying things that arent true...then I apologize. I really dont know why you need to get like this though. All I can do is apologize. Sorry dude.[/quote:1y8g1tqm]

Maybe I overreacted. But you persist on saying no sexual contact took place and even the article from KDKA you are saying is the source says it did. It says "Sources say Roethlisberger concedes that he did have contact with the woman that was not consummated and that afterward the woman slipped and fell, injuring her head." Contact...No intercourse.

Secondly, I gave you multiple sources that support the claim and all you can say is that everyone misquoted KDKA...Which is ridiculous. It is right there....In the article that you keep saying is the source...That you keep providing in you posts.

Last, I actually gave you the video, FROM KDKA, that the reporter clearly says Roethlisberger concedes he had sexual contact (@1.23) and you still persist to deny it is true. You can type...So I assume you can read. I took it a step further in case you didn't understand the print.


It is your right to post anything you want. Arguing with members that are informative, open minded, and have credibility after they try to provide insight on a matter while providing you with the correct information is foolish. It was you Topic entitled "The Facts". Eveyone privided you with the facts and you were misinformed. I guess there is nothing else anyone could do for you.[/quote:1y8g1tqm]

Ok well then I apologize. I'm man enough to do that. And I never attacked you or any other poster in regards to this.

What I see is the KDKA article. It never says Ben admitted to anything other than "contact". Contact that was not consummated. Then what I got from the video was a misquote. The reporter doesnt break anything new other than the stations original report that I alluded too.

I have not seen anything in writing that states Ben made these comments. What I did see in writhing says the following...

http://kdka.com/steelers/Ben.Roethlisbe ... 52133.html (http://kdka.com/steelers/Ben.Roethlisberger.allegations.2.1552133.html)

Quote form link---"Sources say Roethlisberger concedes that he did have contact with the woman that was not consummated and that afterward the woman slipped and fell, injuring her head."

Now if you look at two other links..they say something totally different..yet they both reference this KDKA source.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/ben-roethl ... d=10077171 (http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/ben-roethlisberger-accused-quarterback-admits-sexual-contact-intercourse/story?id=10077171)

In this one the headline reads---"Ben Roethlisberger Admits Sexual Contact But Not Intercourse with Accuser, According to TV Station"


http://content.usatoday.com/communities ... -accuser/1 (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/03/tv-station-ben-roethlisberger-told-cops-he-had-consensual-contact-with-accuser/1)

And in this one the headline..."TV station: Ben Roethlisberger told cops he had consensual contact with accuser"

Both of these links allow you to click on on the original KDKA link that again says nothing about Sexual Contact.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
03-25-2010, 12:48 PM
May all be true, but the reality is that Ben's reputation is toast forever.


I disagree wholeheartedly Ov. In today's gossip media driven society, stories disappear as fast as they appear. If this story (and the Reno one as well) is found to be baseless then the only place that you will find reminders of this will be Ravens, Bengals, and Browns message boards.

As my proof I offer up one Ray Lewis. Ray partied with a bunch of close buddies and a murder was commited. Ray Ray covered it up. The prosecutors had to charge him with the murder to get him to say anything.

Today if you ask fans around the league, or watch coverage from any of the usual sources, Lewis is highly regarded as one of the great leaders and team members in the league. Take away what you see and hear from Baltimore's natural rivals, and he is one of the most respected players around.

Ben has a lot of maturing to do, but if he comes out of this clean and keeps his nose out of similar troubles then this will be no more than a footnote to a great career within a year or two.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
03-25-2010, 02:10 PM
[quote="JUST-PLAIN-NASTY":3vaxitfn][quote="Dee Dub":3vaxitfn][quote="JUST-PLAIN-NASTY":3vaxitfn]
Hey Spanky...Did you see the video from KDKA which is the source that reported Ben admitted to having sexual contact with the acuser but not sexual intercourse. I provided you with the link. Maybe Mommy & Daddy didn't have a the talk about "The Birds & the Bees" with you yet and you are confused. Sexual contact doesn't mean sexual intercourse. I apologize to you if they didn't...How could I have known!!! :P

Hey if I offended you by asking that you read the link I provided and then asked that you stop saying things that arent true...then I apologize. I really dont know why you need to get like this though. All I can do is apologize. Sorry dude.[/quote:3vaxitfn]

Maybe I overreacted. But you persist on saying no sexual contact took place and even the article from KDKA you are saying is the source says it did. It says "Sources say Roethlisberger concedes that he did have contact with the woman that was not consummated and that afterward the woman slipped and fell, injuring her head." Contact...No intercourse.

Secondly, I gave you multiple sources that support the claim and all you can say is that everyone misquoted KDKA...Which is ridiculous. It is right there....In the article that you keep saying is the source...That you keep providing in you posts.

Last, I actually gave you the video, FROM KDKA, that the reporter clearly says Roethlisberger concedes he had sexual contact (@1.23) and you still persist to deny it is true. You can type...So I assume you can read. I took it a step further in case you didn't understand the print.


It is your right to post anything you want. Arguing with members that are informative, open minded, and have credibility after they try to provide insight on a matter while providing you with the correct information is foolish. It was you Topic entitled "The Facts". Eveyone privided you with the facts and you were misinformed. I guess there is nothing else anyone could do for you.[/quote:3vaxitfn]

Ok well then I apologize. I'm man enough to do that. And I never attacked you or any other poster in regards to this.

What I see is the KDKA article. It never says Ben admitted to anything other than "contact". Contact that was not consummated. Then what I got from the video was a misquote. The reporter doesnt break anything new other than the stations original report that I alluded too.

I have not seen anything in writing that states Ben made these comments. What I did see in writhing says the following...

http://kdka.com/steelers/Ben.Roethlisbe ... 52133.html (http://kdka.com/steelers/Ben.Roethlisberger.allegations.2.1552133.html)

Quote form link---"Sources say Roethlisberger concedes that he did have contact with the woman that was not consummated and that afterward the woman slipped and fell, injuring her head."

Now if you look at two other links..they say something totally different..yet they both reference this KDKA source.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/ben-roethl ... d=10077171 (http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/ben-roethlisberger-accused-quarterback-admits-sexual-contact-intercourse/story?id=10077171)

In this one the headline reads---"Ben Roethlisberger Admits Sexual Contact But Not Intercourse with Accuser, According to TV Station"


http://content.usatoday.com/communities ... -accuser/1 (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/03/tv-station-ben-roethlisberger-told-cops-he-had-consensual-contact-with-accuser/1)

And in this one the headline..."TV station: Ben Roethlisberger told cops he had consensual contact with accuser"

Both of these links allow you to click on on the original KDKA link that again says nothing about Sexual Contact.[/quote:3vaxitfn]
How do you get a "misquote" from a video????
Watch the KDKA news report & at 1.23 they say "Sexual Contact".

In the KDKA article...What do you think contact means...A high five???

Dee Dub
03-25-2010, 02:16 PM
In the KDKA article...What do you think contact means...A high five???

Well I've read and heard from a very reliable source that Ben actually posed with the girl for a picture(s). In this picture Ben had his arm around the girl. That is contact that isnt sexual.

So is a hand shake.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
03-25-2010, 02:29 PM
[quote="JUST-PLAIN-NASTY":3c08sl0s]

In the KDKA article...What do you think contact means...A high five???

Well I've read and heard from a very reliable source that Ben actually posed with the girl for a picture(s). In this picture Ben had his arm around the girl. That is contact that isnt sexual.

So is a hand shake.[/quote:3c08sl0s]

That isn't the sexual contact that he conceded to. That news was all reported. Some of those pictures were up on the sorority's website that was taken down. You are spitting stuff out but everything is in black & white right in front of you. You said the video from KDKA (I linked you to), was a follow-up of the article you posted.

Well...

The video report that stated Ben conceded to sexual contact was on 3/10 @ 5:28 PM. This was the source to the article you keep refering to that also says he had contact but no intercourse. The article was posted 3/10 @ 7:27 PM.

Uh oh....I here crickets!


What more do you want. It is obvious the only way you will believe he said it happened would be if Ben stood in front of you and told you himself. Then you would probably say Ben's lips misquoted what his mind was thinking. We are done.

feltdizz
03-25-2010, 04:10 PM
I'm about as big of a Ben supporter as they come so Dee I appreciate your efforts. With that said, if he went into the bathroom with that girl he is a moron. If he didn't then I agree with you. I do not see anything inherently wrong with clubbing and hanging with some college girls. I do not see going out for your birthday as wrong.

But, in light of 2 accusations...which we know one came from a girl with serious mental issues...Ben must step back and ask himself some questions. Is it really worth it? I think it's time put away the lil girls and only date women in his league. I think it's time he carry himself like he has some sense and maturity. While there is nothing wrong with clubbing there comes a time to put childish things behind you. Ben needs to realize his time his now. Because, I don't think he can dodge another one without serious ramifications.

I agree 100%.

Dee Dub
03-25-2010, 05:12 PM
I'm about as big of a Ben supporter as they come so Dee I appreciate your efforts. With that said, if he went into the bathroom with that girl he is a moron. If he didn't then I agree with you. I do not see anything inherently wrong with clubbing and hanging with some college girls. I do not see going out for your birthday as wrong.

But, in light of 2 accusations...which we know one came from a girl with serious mental issues...Ben must step back and ask himself some questions. Is it really worth it? I think it's time put away the lil girls and only date women in his league. I think it's time he carry himself like he has some sense and maturity. While there is nothing wrong with clubbing there comes a time to put childish things behind you. Ben needs to realize his time his now. Because, I don't think he can dodge another one without serious ramifications.

It looks like this is already starting to happen Shawn. Ben pulled out of a celebrity golf tournament in California last week.

http://kdka.com/steelers/Ben.Roethlisbe ... 73996.html (http://kdka.com/steelers/Ben.Roethlisberger.golf.2.1573996.html)

It's kind of sad though when he cant go out with his buddies (even having body guards), to celebrate his 28th Birthday.

BradshawsHairdresser
03-25-2010, 10:31 PM
I'm about as big of a Ben supporter as they come so Dee I appreciate your efforts. With that said, if he went into the bathroom with that girl he is a moron. If he didn't then I agree with you. I do not see anything inherently wrong with clubbing and hanging with some college girls. I do not see going out for your birthday as wrong.

But, in light of 2 accusations...which we know one came from a girl with serious mental issues...Ben must step back and ask himself some questions. Is it really worth it? I think it's time put away the lil girls and only date women in his league. I think it's time he carry himself like he has some sense and maturity. While there is nothing wrong with clubbing there comes a time to put childish things behind you. Ben needs to realize his time his now. Because, I don't think he can dodge another one without serious ramifications.

It looks like this is already starting to happen Shawn. Ben pulled out of a celebrity golf tournament in California last week.

http://kdka.com/steelers/Ben.Roethlisbe ... 73996.html (http://kdka.com/steelers/Ben.Roethlisberger.golf.2.1573996.html)

It's kind of sad though when he cant go out with his buddies (even having body guards), to celebrate his 28th Birthday.

I don't think the problem was going out with his buddies to celebrate his 28th birthday...the problem was when he took a drunk 20-year old co-ed that he didn't know into the club's VIP bathroom.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5028720

frankthetank1
03-26-2010, 12:24 AM
I'm about as big of a Ben supporter as they come so Dee I appreciate your efforts. With that said, if he went into the bathroom with that girl he is a moron. If he didn't then I agree with you. I do not see anything inherently wrong with clubbing and hanging with some college girls. I do not see going out for your birthday as wrong.

But, in light of 2 accusations...which we know one came from a girl with serious mental issues...Ben must step back and ask himself some questions. Is it really worth it? I think it's time put away the lil girls and only date women in his league. I think it's time he carry himself like he has some sense and maturity. While there is nothing wrong with clubbing there comes a time to put childish things behind you. Ben needs to realize his time his now. Because, I don't think he can dodge another one without serious ramifications.

It looks like this is already starting to happen Shawn. Ben pulled out of a celebrity golf tournament in California last week.

http://kdka.com/steelers/Ben.Roethlisbe ... 73996.html (http://kdka.com/steelers/Ben.Roethlisberger.golf.2.1573996.html)

It's kind of sad though when he cant go out with his buddies (even having body guards), to celebrate his 28th Birthday.

thats the price you have to pay when your rich and famous. its a small price to pay when you are worth more money than anyone will ever see. isnt it ironic ben's bodyguards couldnt protect him from the most dangerous weapon of all, pu$$y. at least ben isnt gay like kordell stewart was :lol: :lol: talk about a perfect example of the media trying to tear down someones image. im sure ben will get out of this with little problem but his rep will always be ruined. how much did anyone hear about mcnaulty after that was found out to be bogus? ben found innocent isnt as good of head lines as big ben is a rapist.

LordVile
03-26-2010, 12:47 AM
May all be true, but the reality is that Ben's reputation is toast forever.

If nothing ever come out of either of these cases, there will be a very large group that will always view this as a case where "rich boy" Ben bought his way out of trouble.

Who is to blame? Partially it is Ben himself for pursuing a lifestyle that has taken so many other celebtrities down the road to ruin. Ben has made terrible choices and needs to get smart that even though he has all the money in the world he cannot go out and have casual relationships with random, unfamiliar women. Just the fact whether fair or not.

My greatest concern is however that even after these two incidents and if Ben walks away with nothing, he will put himself in this situation again because of naivete and arrogance.


What bad choices did Ben make? Going out to a club with his buddies? He’s single and young. It seems that he actually made some good choices that night. One, he had bodies guards with him (off duty police offers), and two, immediately called his coach (Tomlin), to advise him of what happened.

As far as his reputation is concerned I don’t care about what others perceive of him. He hasn’t committed a crime nor has he done anything wrong. And haters will always hate. Especially if he continues to win championships.

OK. Sure Ben did nothing wrong. Ben showed great judgement being alone with a 20 year old coed in light of the Nevada accusations.

If you really think Ben has handled this smart then OK. I think given the fact that the people he works for and pay him are furious would indicate otherwise.

When your in a bar, it's assumed that security did their job and the girl is at THE VERY LEAST 21 yrs of age. Why do ppl keep saying, he went after a 20yr old girl, as if HE KNEW?? she shouldn't have even been in the bar. you act like this WOMAN was 17 years old. :HeadBanger :nono

SteelAbility
03-26-2010, 09:55 AM
May all be true, but the reality is that Ben's reputation is toast forever.

If nothing ever come out of either of these cases, there will be a very large group that will always view this as a case where "rich boy" Ben bought his way out of trouble.

Who is to blame? Partially it is Ben himself for pursuing a lifestyle that has taken so many other celebtrities down the road to ruin. Ben has made terrible choices and needs to get smart that even though he has all the money in the world he cannot go out and have casual relationships with random, unfamiliar women. Just the fact whether fair or not.

My greatest concern is however that even after these two incidents and if Ben walks away with nothing, he will put himself in this situation again because of naivete and arrogance.


What bad choices did Ben make? Going out to a club with his buddies? He’s single and young. It seems that he actually made some good choices that night. One, he had bodies guards with him (off duty police offers), and two, immediately called his coach (Tomlin), to advise him of what happened.

As far as his reputation is concerned I don’t care about what others perceive of him. He hasn’t committed a crime nor has he done anything wrong. And haters will always hate. Especially if he continues to win championships.

OK. Sure Ben did nothing wrong. Ben showed great judgement being alone with a 20 year old coed in light of the Nevada accusations.

If you really think Ben has handled this smart then OK. I think given the fact that the people he works for and pay him are furious would indicate otherwise.

When your in a bar, it's assumed that security did their job and the girl is at THE VERY LEAST 21 yrs of age. Why do ppl keep saying, he went after a 20yr old girl, as if HE KNEW?? she shouldn't have even been in the bar. you act like this WOMAN was 17 years old. :HeadBanger :nono

I'd say he's acting like she's 20 years old. It was a simple statement of fact. Furthermore everyone knows that security at bars lets things slide. It is difficult to keep track of and enforce. And there is money to be gained. So, do the math.

The point is that risk was in the air and Ben ignored it. There is pending civil suit. That raises the risk even more. Being willing to go to a bathroom in a completely isolated he-said/she-said situation ... ok, again, do the math.

papillon
03-26-2010, 10:12 AM
May all be true, but the reality is that Ben's reputation is toast forever.

If nothing ever come out of either of these cases, there will be a very large group that will always view this as a case where "rich boy" Ben bought his way out of trouble.

Who is to blame? Partially it is Ben himself for pursuing a lifestyle that has taken so many other celebtrities down the road to ruin. Ben has made terrible choices and needs to get smart that even though he has all the money in the world he cannot go out and have casual relationships with random, unfamiliar women. Just the fact whether fair or not.

My greatest concern is however that even after these two incidents and if Ben walks away with nothing, he will put himself in this situation again because of naivete and arrogance.


What bad choices did Ben make? Going out to a club with his buddies? He’s single and young. It seems that he actually made some good choices that night. One, he had bodies guards with him (off duty police offers), and two, immediately called his coach (Tomlin), to advise him of what happened.

As far as his reputation is concerned I don’t care about what others perceive of him. He hasn’t committed a crime nor has he done anything wrong. And haters will always hate. Especially if he continues to win championships.

OK. Sure Ben did nothing wrong. Ben showed great judgement being alone with a 20 year old coed in light of the Nevada accusations.

If you really think Ben has handled this smart then OK. I think given the fact that the people he works for and pay him are furious would indicate otherwise.

When your in a bar, it's assumed that security did their job and the girl is at THE VERY LEAST 21 yrs of age. Why do ppl keep saying, he went after a 20yr old girl, as if HE KNEW?? she shouldn't have even been in the bar. you act like this WOMAN was 17 years old. :HeadBanger :nono

The club allowed underaged patrons inside, they simply aren't allowed to be served alcohol once inside. She was there legally.

Pappy

phillyesq
03-26-2010, 10:15 AM
The club allowed underaged patrons inside, they simply aren't allowed to be served alcohol once inside. She was there legally.

Pappy

Careful, you're letting facts get in the way of good rhetoric. :lol: