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RuthlessBurgher
03-23-2010, 06:47 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5022501


Source: DNA request dropped

By Kelly Naqi
ESPN
Updated: March 23, 2010, 6:18 PM ET

The Georgia Bureau of Investigation has withdrawn its request for a DNA sample from Ben Roethlisberger, according a source familiar with the investigation.

A 20-year-old woman told police Roethlisberger, who had been out barhopping with friends, assaulted her early March 5 in a bar in Milledgeville, Ga. Roethlisberger has not been charged.

No reason was given as to why the GBI has withdrawn its request or when it did so. When asked what this means in terms of the status of the investigation of Roethlisberger, GBI public information officer John Bankhead declined to comment.

When asked how this would affect the timetable on when the GBI and the Milledgeville police department will complete their investigation and submit their case to the district attorney, so the DA's office can decide whether it will seek to press charges against Roethlisberger, Bankhead said, "I don't know. I'd have to have my crystal ball out but I don't have it with me."

When asked what the GBI withdrawing its request for a DNA sample for Ben Roethlisberger meant to the case, Lee Parks, an attorney for the accuser, said, "We're not commenting on the investigation. It's not our place to do that."

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

feltdizz
03-23-2010, 06:56 PM
That is great news.

Dee Dub
03-23-2010, 07:49 PM
The Georgia Bureau of Investigation has withdrawn its request for a DNA sample from Ben Roethlisberger, according a source familiar with the investigation.

Roethlisberger is accused of sexually assaulting a 20-year-old college student in a Georgia nightclub on March 5. Roethlisberger has yet to be interviewed by police in Milledgeville, Ga., and charges have not been filed.

No reason was given as to why the GBI has withdrawn its request or when it did so. When asked what this means in terms of the status of the investigation of Roethlisberger, GBI public information officer John Bankhead declined to comment.

When asked how this would affect the timetable on when the GBI and the Milledgeville police department will complete their investigation and submit their case to the district attorney, so the DA's office can decide whether it will seek to press charges against Roethlisberger, Bankhead said, "I don't know. I'd have to have my crystal ball out but I don't have it with me."

When asked what the GBI withdrawing its request for a DNA sample for Ben Roethlisberger meant to the case, Lee Parks, an attorney for the accuser, said, "We're not commenting on the investigation. It's not our place to do that."


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5022501

hawaiiansteel
03-23-2010, 07:56 PM
The Georgia Bureau of Investigation has withdrawn its request for a DNA sample from Ben Roethlisberger, according a source familiar with the investigation.

Roethlisberger is accused of sexually assaulting a 20-year-old college student in a Georgia nightclub on March 5. Roethlisberger has yet to be interviewed by police in Milledgeville, Ga., and charges have not been filed.

No reason was given as to why the GBI has withdrawn its request or when it did so. When asked what this means in terms of the status of the investigation of Roethlisberger, GBI public information officer John Bankhead declined to comment.

When asked how this would affect the timetable on when the GBI and the Milledgeville police department will complete their investigation and submit their case to the district attorney, so the DA's office can decide whether it will seek to press charges against Roethlisberger, Bankhead said, "I don't know. I'd have to have my crystal ball out but I don't have it with me."

When asked what the GBI withdrawing its request for a DNA sample for Ben Roethlisberger meant to the case, Lee Parks, an attorney for the accuser, said, "We're not commenting on the investigation. It's not our place to do that."


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5022501



doesn't really mean anything at this point, there could be a variety of reasons why the GBI is withdrawing its request...they can always re-request later.

Lebsteel
03-23-2010, 07:57 PM
Sounds like good news, I guess?? If they had a case and were definitely going to press charges, wouldn't they want to get all the evidence they could get? So, maybe they realize they don't have a criminal case? Maybe another civil case against Ben?

Dee Dub
03-23-2010, 07:57 PM
Again.....they have no case.

They needed DNA that was their only shot and now they are saying they are no longer requesting it so that tells me they have no leg to stand on.

Enough of this garbage.

birtikidis
03-23-2010, 08:05 PM
NFL network reported that there was no DNA to compare it to (as it pertains to the case). that means that he didn't leave any with her when he walked out of the bathroom.

Dee Dub
03-23-2010, 08:09 PM
NFL network reported that there was no DNA to compare it to (as it pertains to the case). that means that he didn't leave any with her when he walked out of the bathroom.

Allegedly when he left the bathroom.....and I am willing to bet there is no video tape that shows Ben leaving the woman's bathroom. And had there been...they would have made an arrest and filed charges against him.

Folks...they dont have a leg to stand on. And I want to start hearing the apologies. Start with the commissioner.

hawaiiansteel
03-23-2010, 08:20 PM
NFL network reported that there was no DNA to compare it to (as it pertains to the case). that means that he didn't leave any with her when he walked out of the bathroom.

Allegedly when he left the bathroom.....and I am willing to bet there is no video tape that shows Ben leaving the woman's bathroom. And had there been...they would have made an arrest and filed charges against him.

Folks...they dont have a leg to stand on. And I want to start hearing the apologies. Start with the commissioner.



if there are no witnesses, semen or spit...then you must acquit.

feltdizz
03-23-2010, 08:22 PM
NFL network reported that there was no DNA to compare it to (as it pertains to the case). that means that he didn't leave any with her when he walked out of the bathroom.

Allegedly when he left the bathroom.....and I am willing to bet there is no video tape that shows Ben leaving the woman's bathroom. And had there been...they would have made an arrest and filed charges against him.

Folks...they dont have a leg to stand on. And I want to start hearing the apologies. Start with the commissioner.

no one is apologizing.. what is there to apologize for? What does the commissioner have to apologize for? The headlines went out and the machine moved like they always do when a well known figure is accused of doing something like this.

If false, the girl needs to apologize and we go back to business as usual. Ben is still guilty of bringing drama to the team whether innocent or not. It's the price you pay for fame. Young girls and old skanks will always try to get Ben's money... he has to change his ways or it will happen again. Hell, he needs to operate like it will happen again.

birtikidis
03-23-2010, 08:23 PM
NFL network reported that there was no DNA to compare it to (as it pertains to the case). that means that he didn't leave any with her when he walked out of the bathroom.

Allegedly when he left the bathroom.....and I am willing to bet there is no video tape that shows Ben leaving the woman's bathroom. And had there been...they would have made an arrest and filed charges against him.

Folks...they dont have a leg to stand on. And I want to start hearing the apologies. Start with the commissioner.



if there are no witnesses, semen or spit...then you must acquit.
hahaha damn that was funny.

NJ-STEELER
03-23-2010, 08:23 PM
it wasn't the "women's bathroom"

allegedly, it was a locked private staff bathroom

birtikidis
03-23-2010, 08:24 PM
Again.....they have no case.

They needed DNA that was their only shot and now they are saying they are no longer requesting it so that tells me they have no leg to stand on.

Enough of this garbage.
agree. that crap that the comish was spouting today on the NFL network p!ssed me off!

hawaiiansteel
03-23-2010, 08:27 PM
Police: Roethlisberger's DNA not needed — no evidence to compare

By Carl Prine and Scott Brown,
PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Tuesday, March 23, 2010


MILLEDGEVILLE, Ga. — Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger does not need to provide a DNA sample to Georgia authorities investigating allegations that he sexually assaulted a college student.

There's no DNA to compare.

Officials at the Georgia Bureau of Investigation on Tuesday confirmed that attorney Edward T.M. Garland of Atlanta offered to provide a sample of Roethlisberger's DNA in connection with the alleged sexual assault of a 20-year-old student in a nightclub restroom early March 5. But police told the lawyer they didn't need it.

"Based on everything that I know and our own investigation, I believe that no charges should be filed in this case," said Garland, a highly regarded attorney.

"I have made it a policy not to comment on the facts of this case. I will adhere to that until this investigation runs its course or the authorities bring charges. We are continuing to inform the Georgia Bureau of Investigation and to cooperate with them in their investigation."

A team of GBI investigators is concentrating full-time on proving or refuting the George College & State University sophomore's allegations. She told Milledgeville police around 2:30 a.m. March 5 that Roethlisberger, 28, assaulted her in a small staff restroom near a "VIP" room in the Capital City dance club.

For three weeks, investigators have followed up leads that tied the woman to Roethlisberger at several bars and the nightclub from about 10 p.m. March 4. Roethlisberger owns a home about 30 miles away in Lake Oconee.

The Tribune-Review does not name alleged victims of sexual abuse. Shortly after Milledgeville police officers took her statement claiming that Roethlisberger sexually assaulted her, the accuser was treated at Oconee Regional Medical Center and released.

Attorney Lee Parks of Atlanta, who represents the woman, did not return messages seeking comment.

The allegations emerged as Roethlisberger fights a rape allegation filed in Nevada civil court by a female hotel worker in Lake Tahoe. Roethlisberger, who was not charged with a crime, publicly denied any wrongdoing in that case.

Georgia Bureau of Investigation officials decline to discuss details of the Milledgeville case, until District Attorney Fred Bright decides whether to prosecute or punt.

GBI Inspector Sherry Lang said the Roethlisberger investigation is an "active case" and they're not trying to convict Roethlisberger or exonerate him.

"We're fact finders," she said. "The truth is that facts lead us to some things and other facts lead us to another thing. But we're in the business of fact finding."

A lack of DNA evidence doesn't necessarily mean a sexual assault didn't occur, but it removes potentially key pieces of evidence for a prosecution.

"We can infer, with some certainty, that they have nothing at all that would be male ejaculate, semen, that would be a stain on clothing or any swabs taken from the lady," said famed Squirrel Hill forensic pathologist Dr Cyril Wecht. "Remember Monica Lewinsky's dress? We don't have that kind of thing now.

"Now, medically and legally, this doesn't mean that rape or another form of assault didn't take place. But in the absence of DNA, if they did the proper workup, it markedly could weaken what was a case."

A lack of scientific evidence could hurt later at a trial, said Loyola Marymount law professor Laurie Levenson, a former federal prosecutor.

"We're living in the generation that watches 'CSI' on television," Levenson said. "They've grown to expect that there will be physical evidence."

In the wake of false sexual assault accusations against the Duke lacrosse team and other high-profile cases, Levenson said prosecutors are prudent to take their time and "answer all the key questions that remain."

"Look, these cases often come down to 'he said' and 'she said.' It's often difficult for jurors in those kinds of cases to know what to believe," said Levenson, who teaches legal ethics. "That doesn't mean that a crime didn't take place. It just means that sorting through the evidence can be difficult for people, and this is complicated when there's the presence of a celebrity."

Roethlisberger's attorney Garland predicts his client will be cleared.

"Pittsburgh's citizens should know that I fully intend to watch Ben continue to play football this season, hopefully with him in the Super Bowl," he said.

The Steelers aren't quite as sure.

"We're in a wait-and-see mode like everyone else," coach Mike Tomlin said Tuesday at the National Football League owners' meetings in Orlando.

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has said he plans to meet with Roethlisberger. He said the NFL is concerned "that Ben keeps putting himself in this position."

The NFL's personal conduct policy allows Goodell to suspend players, order them to seek treatment, or both — even if they have not committed a crime.

Tomlin said Roethlisberger's predicament is particularly disappointing for the Steelers.

"I think it's well known that we're very, very conscious about how we do business, that we're very highly concerned about our image, perception, how we conduct ourselves, our standards of conduct," Tomlin said. "I think it's above and beyond that of our peers, and we embrace that."

Tomlin said he stays in daily contact with Roethlisberger, who is keeping a low-profile in Pittsburgh.

Tomlin declined to discuss the nature of their conversations.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 73061.html (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_673061.html)

Dee Dub
03-23-2010, 08:30 PM
no one is apologizing.. what is there to apologize for? What does the commissioner have to apologize for? The headlines went out and the machine moved like they always do when a well known figure is accused of doing something like this.

If false, the girl needs to apologize and we go back to business as usual. Ben is still guilty of bringing drama to the team whether innocent or not. It's the price you pay for fame. Young girls and old skanks will always try to get Ben's money... he has to change his ways or it will happen again. Hell, he needs to operate like it will happen again.


Well if this turns out to be B.S. and Ben didnt do anything wrong how can the commissioner say that he is concerned why Ben keeps putting himself in these positions? In fact he did every thing right. He had body guards who were off duty policemen. Is he not allowed to enjoy his life? And the second case...civil suit he was at a hotel for a charity function. And that woman is trying to gain financially over it...and never went to the police to file criminal charges.

Sugar
03-23-2010, 09:12 PM
no one is apologizing.. what is there to apologize for? What does the commissioner have to apologize for? The headlines went out and the machine moved like they always do when a well known figure is accused of doing something like this.

If false, the girl needs to apologize and we go back to business as usual. Ben is still guilty of bringing drama to the team whether innocent or not. It's the price you pay for fame. Young girls and old skanks will always try to get Ben's money... he has to change his ways or it will happen again. Hell, he needs to operate like it will happen again.


Well if this turns out to be B.S. and Ben didnt do anything wrong how can the commissioner say that he is concerned why Ben keeps putting himself in these positions? In fact he did every thing right. He had body guards who were off duty policemen. Is he not allowed to enjoy his life? And the second case...civil suit he was at a hotel for a charity function. And that woman is trying to gain financially over it...and never went to the police to file criminal charges.

:Agree

It seems to me that BB has taken certain precautions against this kind of thing. That doesn't mean that it still can't happen. So is the guy no longer allowed to go to a bar? No longer allowed to party? Does he need to hire a 3rd bodyguard? Perhaps he should get a waiver signed every time he meets a chick?

Whatever.

papillon
03-23-2010, 09:37 PM
That is great news.

Yes, it is, he's still a meat head though. I hope the Rooneys fine his @$$ and suspend him for a few games. Hew needs to have some consequence from this if this latest piece of information means that there is nothing to pursue.

Pappy

Iron Shiek
03-23-2010, 09:42 PM
NFL network reported that there was no DNA to compare it to (as it pertains to the case). that means that he didn't leave any with her when he walked out of the bathroom.

Allegedly when he left the bathroom.....and I am willing to bet there is no video tape that shows Ben leaving the woman's bathroom. And had there been...they would have made an arrest and filed charges against him.

Folks...they dont have a leg to stand on. And I want to start hearing the apologies. Start with the commissioner.

no one is apologizing.. what is there to apologize for? What does the commissioner have to apologize for? The headlines went out and the machine moved like they always do when a well known figure is accused of doing something like this.

If false, the girl needs to apologize and we go back to business as usual. Ben is still guilty of bringing drama to the team whether innocent or not. It's the price you pay for fame. Young girls and old skanks will always try to get Ben's money... he has to change his ways or it will happen again. Hell, he needs to operate like it will happen again.

Exactly. The commissioner answered one question about Big Ben and didn't even say anything of much substance other than "I'll talk to him when the proper time comes" and all of sudden its a lead story and every analyst is dissecting what he meant by that. Proposterous. Waste of air (H20 and television)...might as well put WNBA on instead of that garbage.

BURGH86STEEL
03-23-2010, 09:44 PM
no one is apologizing.. what is there to apologize for? What does the commissioner have to apologize for? The headlines went out and the machine moved like they always do when a well known figure is accused of doing something like this.

If false, the girl needs to apologize and we go back to business as usual. Ben is still guilty of bringing drama to the team whether innocent or not. It's the price you pay for fame. Young girls and old skanks will always try to get Ben's money... he has to change his ways or it will happen again. Hell, he needs to operate like it will happen again.


Well if this turns out to be B.S. and Ben didnt do anything wrong how can the commissioner say that he is concerned why Ben keeps putting himself in these positions? In fact he did every thing right. He had body guards who were off duty policemen. Is he not allowed to enjoy his life? And the second case...civil suit he was at a hotel for a charity function. And that woman is trying to gain financially over it...and never went to the police to file criminal charges.

He invited people he did not know into his private party. That's only one way to look at the situation. Ben is not the average Joe any longer. There are better and smarter ways to enjoy life without putting a career on the line. Ben better be more careful regardless of how this shakes out. One more mistake of this magnitude and I believe the Steelers will look to release or trade him.

TallyStiller
03-23-2010, 09:52 PM
Ben has a $100 million contract. Hire a freaking hooker, pay a porn star, whatever, and party all you want behind the gate of your lakefront compound... but stop calling 20 year old sorority girls "bitches" and telling them to "take your shots" and locking them in bathrooms with your body guards outside and such. Probably a decent start to getting back out of the commish's doghouse.

stlrz d
03-23-2010, 10:07 PM
Sad day for the haters.

:lol:

Vindrow
03-23-2010, 10:31 PM
Now, if she hadn't swallowed the evidence....

Shawn
03-23-2010, 10:31 PM
Sad day for the haters.

:lol:

Isn't that the truth. :lol:

Chadman
03-23-2010, 10:36 PM
I feel....a great disturbance in the Force....it's as if millions of Ravens fans cried out in pain at once..then nothing..


Honestly- if Ben doesn't get charged, this is the grandest case of Character Assassination done by the media in a long time.

Ben will forever be viewed as 'guilty', regardless of his guilt or innocence. It's not fair- and there should be some recourse he could take as way of compensation. If the media could be sued for character slander, propaganda circulation or some such, Chadman would love Ben to take them to town. Maybe if the media was held accountable, they might think twice before plastering Ben's name, or anyone's name, everywhere with no actual evidence of a crime being committed.

Time to take the Media to court. No more convictions in the court of Public Perception should ever be allowed.

Shawn
03-23-2010, 10:38 PM
I would certainly send him a message...and the rest of the team a message. He needs a few games to think about going into bathrooms with strangers. There is no doubt about that.

SteelerNation1
03-23-2010, 10:51 PM
I feel....a great disturbance in the Force....it's as if millions of Ravens fans cried out in pain at once..then nothing..


Honestly- if Ben doesn't get charged, this is the grandest case of Character Assassination done by the media in a long time.

Ben will forever be viewed as 'guilty', regardless of his guilt or innocence. It's not fair- and there should be some recourse he could take as way of compensation. If the media could be sued for character slander, propaganda circulation or some such, Chadman would love Ben to take them to town. Maybe if the media was held accountable, they might think twice before plastering Ben's name, or anyone's name, everywhere with no actual evidence of a crime being committed.

Time to take the Media to court. No more convictions in the court of Public Perception should ever be allowed.
Well said Mr. Chadman! :Clap

BURGH86STEEL
03-23-2010, 10:53 PM
I feel....a great disturbance in the Force....it's as if millions of Ravens fans cried out in pain at once..then nothing..


Honestly- if Ben doesn't get charged, this is the grandest case of Character Assassination done by the media in a long time.

Ben will forever be viewed as 'guilty', regardless of his guilt or innocence. It's not fair- and there should be some recourse he could take as way of compensation. If the media could be sued for character slander, propaganda circulation or some such, Chadman would love Ben to take them to town. Maybe if the media was held accountable, they might think twice before plastering Ben's name, or anyone's name, everywhere with no actual evidence of a crime being committed.

Time to take the Media to court. No more convictions in the court of Public Perception should ever be allowed.

The media will be the media, that is a given. There would be nothing to report if players did not put themselves in bad situations. People will have opinions that Ben is a womanizer that tries to have sexual relations with unknown women in clubs. IMO, that is no way for a 28 year old multi millionaire to conduct himself.

Right or wrong, this type of press only enhances Ben reputation in a negative light. This is the core of the problem that the Steelers and the NFL have to make Ben understand.

birtikidis
03-23-2010, 11:02 PM
I feel....a great disturbance in the Force....it's as if millions of Ravens fans cried out in pain at once..then nothing..


Honestly- if Ben doesn't get charged, this is the grandest case of Character Assassination done by the media in a long time.

Ben will forever be viewed as 'guilty', regardless of his guilt or innocence. It's not fair- and there should be some recourse he could take as way of compensation. If the media could be sued for character slander, propaganda circulation or some such, Chadman would love Ben to take them to town. Maybe if the media was held accountable, they might think twice before plastering Ben's name, or anyone's name, everywhere with no actual evidence of a crime being committed.

Time to take the Media to court. No more convictions in the court of Public Perception should ever be allowed.

The media will be the media, that is a given. There would be nothing to report if players did not put themselves in bad situations. People will have opinions that Ben is a womanizer that tries to have sexual relations with unknown women in clubs. IMO, that is no way for a 28 year old multi millionaire to conduct himself.

Right or wrong, this type of press only enhances Ben reputation in a negative light. This is the core of the problem that the Steelers and the NFL have to make Ben understand.
Winston Churchill was a womanizing drunk nearly his entire life.
FDR was known as a womanizer
JFK was known as a womanizer
Bill Clinton popped one off on some intern
28 years old and being a millionaire, plus being an athlete on top of that puts him in a unique situation. I was out partying when I was 28. and I'm broke.

stlrz d
03-23-2010, 11:03 PM
Yeah...hopefully from this point forward he only comes out to play football...and only with at least 4 witnesses around him at all times.

:roll:

BURGH86STEEL
03-23-2010, 11:09 PM
I feel....a great disturbance in the Force....it's as if millions of Ravens fans cried out in pain at once..then nothing..


Honestly- if Ben doesn't get charged, this is the grandest case of Character Assassination done by the media in a long time.

Ben will forever be viewed as 'guilty', regardless of his guilt or innocence. It's not fair- and there should be some recourse he could take as way of compensation. If the media could be sued for character slander, propaganda circulation or some such, Chadman would love Ben to take them to town. Maybe if the media was held accountable, they might think twice before plastering Ben's name, or anyone's name, everywhere with no actual evidence of a crime being committed.

Time to take the Media to court. No more convictions in the court of Public Perception should ever be allowed.

The media will be the media, that is a given. There would be nothing to report if players did not put themselves in bad situations. People will have opinions that Ben is a womanizer that tries to have sexual relations with unknown women in clubs. IMO, that is no way for a 28 year old multi millionaire to conduct himself.

Right or wrong, this type of press only enhances Ben reputation in a negative light. This is the core of the problem that the Steelers and the NFL have to make Ben understand.
Winston Churchill was a womanizing drunk nearly his entire life.
FDR was known as a womanizer
JFK was known as a womanizer
Bill Clinton popped one off on some intern
28 years old and being a millionaire, plus being an athlete on top of that puts him in a unique situation. I was out partying when I was 28. and I'm broke.

I am certain the Steelers and the NFL don't like the negative press. They also don't like the negative ideas that float around regarding their players.

Chadman
03-23-2010, 11:12 PM
The media will be the media, that is a given. There would be nothing to report if players did not put themselves in bad situations. People will have opinions that Ben is a womanizer that tries to have sexual relations with unknown women in clubs. IMO, that is no way for a 28 year old multi millionaire to conduct himself.

Right or wrong, this type of press only enhances Ben reputation in a negative light. This is the core of the problem that the Steelers and the NFL have to make Ben understand.

This is where you & I will differ.

Are you saying it's perfectly acceptable for the media to name Ben as the accused in a sexual assault case, with no charges laid, knowing that the outcome could not only be damaging to his reputation, but the result of the case could mean jail time?

This is a case that will forever hang over the accused, unless the 'victim' is found to be a raving looney.

In my opinion, the results of naming an 'accused' in a case that could lead to jail time or worse, when no charges have been laid, is irresponsible, hurtful, spiteful & should be illegal. As I pointed out (and if you go to ANY chat room that has various NFL fans you'll see I'm right) regardless of Ben's guilt, he is guilty to the eye of the general public. As far as I can see, if he isn't charged, with his reputation in tatters as a result of being named, with most probably a hit to his financial well being in the way of endorsements- this SHOULD be a case of slander. Basically, the media, through their irresponsible blathering of 'facts', has directly effected the public perception of Ben Roethlisberger's character in a negative manner. Ben, for all intents & purposes, can never lead the same life he had, before being named. If he's not guilty, hell, if he isn't even CHARGED, how is that even remotely 'acceptable' as 'the media being the media'?

No- for the good of your country, there MUST be some kind of provision put in place where 'accused' people are not named in the media until charged.

As for the media having nothing else to write about- they are sports hacks- write about...wait for it....sport.

birtikidis
03-23-2010, 11:13 PM
this is true. but I don't see why Ben and others can be crucified by the media with out any checks and balances.

BURGH86STEEL
03-23-2010, 11:15 PM
Yeah...hopefully from this point forward he only comes out to play football...and only with at least 4 witnesses around him at all times.

:roll:

Ben may be innocent but it still does not change the fact that he put himself in a BAD SITUATION. I don't believe anyone said he should only come out to play football. However, it is obvious that something must change in the way he conducts his business off the field. We will only have to look forward to more negative press if things don't change.

Chadman
03-23-2010, 11:23 PM
Yeah...hopefully from this point forward he only comes out to play football...and only with at least 4 witnesses around him at all times.

:roll:

Ben may be innocent but it still does not change the fact that he put himself in a BAD SITUATION. I don't believe anyone said he should only come out to play football. However, it is obvious that something must change in the way he conducts his business off the field. We will only have to look forward to more negative press if things don't change.

Without trying to sound like an a$$- who the Hell are we to tell Ben how to act?

So long as it's not illegal, so long as he isn't out there deliberatly giving the Steelers a bad reputation- it's Ben's life to live.

Sometimes, we might expect too much from the guys we cheer on Sundays. Once that jersey comes off, they are actually allowed to do as they like. They are just people, like all of us here, and have every right to expect to live a somewhat normal life.

Imagine if I told you that you can't access the internet because you might give the impression of enjoying porn, you can't order home delivery in case the home deliverer happens to be a woman & you might, just possibly, be alone together, you can't go out, ever, without written permission from your employer & under no circumstances should you find yourself alone with anyone, ever.

It can't be done. Unless Ben actually does THE WRONG THING, he's free to live, as far as I can see.

Djfan
03-23-2010, 11:24 PM
Chadman - the media in the US is the cespool of all cespools. I would rather get rid of them than the lamos in the white house and congress anyday.

Chadman
03-23-2010, 11:27 PM
Chadman - the media in the US is the cespool of all cespools. I would rather get rid of them than the lamos in the white house and congress anyday.

Well, the 'lamos in the white house' might just be the people you need to get in contact with in order to reign in your ever flowing cesspool.

Having run for local government here in Australia, I can tell you that all your Politicians will listen if you get enough people saying they are not happy with something. Start with Steeler Nation & get together a list of people not happy about the liberties the media take- I bet if you get significant numbers, your 'lamos' will take note..

BURGH86STEEL
03-23-2010, 11:43 PM
The media will be the media, that is a given. There would be nothing to report if players did not put themselves in bad situations. People will have opinions that Ben is a womanizer that tries to have sexual relations with unknown women in clubs. IMO, that is no way for a 28 year old multi millionaire to conduct himself.

Right or wrong, this type of press only enhances Ben reputation in a negative light. This is the core of the problem that the Steelers and the NFL have to make Ben understand.

This is where you & I will differ.

Are you saying it's perfectly acceptable for the media to name Ben as the accused in a sexual assault case, with no charges laid, knowing that the outcome could not only be damaging to his reputation, but the result of the case could mean jail time?

This is a case that will forever hang over the accused, unless the 'victim' is found to be a raving looney.

In my opinion, the results of naming an 'accused' in a case that could lead to jail time or worse, when no charges have been laid, is irresponsible, hurtful, spiteful & should be illegal. As I pointed out (and if you go to ANY chat room that has various NFL fans you'll see I'm right) regardless of Ben's guilt, he is guilty to the eye of the general public. As far as I can see, if he isn't charged, with his reputation in tatters as a result of being named, with most probably a hit to his financial well being in the way of endorsements- this SHOULD be a case of slander. Basically, the media, through their irresponsible blathering of 'facts', has directly effected the public perception of Ben Roethlisberger's character in a negative manner. Ben, for all intents & purposes, can never lead the same life he had, before being named. If he's not guilty, hell, if he isn't even CHARGED, how is that even remotely 'acceptable' as 'the media being the media'?

No- for the good of your country, there MUST be some kind of provision put in place where 'accused' people are not named in the media until charged.

As for the media having nothing else to write about- they are sports hacks- write about...wait for it....sport.

Let me first say that I don't always agree with everything that is reported in the news. I rarely watch the news because of the negativity associated with that programming. I also agree with a lot of what you wrote.

First off, the media did not name him. The woman named him. He is still being accused by the women and not the media of sexual assault. The media reported that fact. I am not sure anyone in the media said he was or implied he was guilty. Guilt or innocence will run its course. People will have opinions regardless because of the situation. That's why it was a bad situation that could had been avoided with better judgement. Maybe by not inviting unknown women into his private party? Maybe not going into the bathroom to have sexual contact with the young lady? Is Ben that cheap he could not invite her to his home or a hotel room? Maybe have her sign a waiver (they are advised to do this in the NBA)?

Should we censor the media in this country? That would be one way to discontinue stories of that nature. Another would be for the accused not to in a situation to be reported on in the first place.

Like I said, the media will be the media. It is not going to change. The best way to avoid the news is to not put ones self in a position to be reported.

Chadman
03-23-2010, 11:49 PM
The media will be the media, that is a given. There would be nothing to report if players did not put themselves in bad situations. People will have opinions that Ben is a womanizer that tries to have sexual relations with unknown women in clubs. IMO, that is no way for a 28 year old multi millionaire to conduct himself.

Right or wrong, this type of press only enhances Ben reputation in a negative light. This is the core of the problem that the Steelers and the NFL have to make Ben understand.

This is where you & I will differ.

Are you saying it's perfectly acceptable for the media to name Ben as the accused in a sexual assault case, with no charges laid, knowing that the outcome could not only be damaging to his reputation, but the result of the case could mean jail time?

This is a case that will forever hang over the accused, unless the 'victim' is found to be a raving looney.

In my opinion, the results of naming an 'accused' in a case that could lead to jail time or worse, when no charges have been laid, is irresponsible, hurtful, spiteful & should be illegal. As I pointed out (and if you go to ANY chat room that has various NFL fans you'll see I'm right) regardless of Ben's guilt, he is guilty to the eye of the general public. As far as I can see, if he isn't charged, with his reputation in tatters as a result of being named, with most probably a hit to his financial well being in the way of endorsements- this SHOULD be a case of slander. Basically, the media, through their irresponsible blathering of 'facts', has directly effected the public perception of Ben Roethlisberger's character in a negative manner. Ben, for all intents & purposes, can never lead the same life he had, before being named. If he's not guilty, hell, if he isn't even CHARGED, how is that even remotely 'acceptable' as 'the media being the media'?

No- for the good of your country, there MUST be some kind of provision put in place where 'accused' people are not named in the media until charged.

As for the media having nothing else to write about- they are sports hacks- write about...wait for it....sport.

Let me first say that I don't always agree with everything that is reported in the news. I rarely watch the news because of the negativity associated with that programming. I also agree with a lot of what you wrote.

First off, the media did not name him. The woman named him. He is still being accused by the women and not the media of sexual assault. The media reported that fact. I am not sure anyone in the media said he was or implied he was guilty. Guilt or innocence will run its course. People will have opinions regardless because of the situation. That's why it was a bad situation that could had been avoided with better judgement. Maybe by not inviting unknown women into his private party? Maybe not going into the bathroom to have sexual contact with the young lady? Is Ben that cheap he could not invite her to his home or a hotel room? Maybe have her sign a waiver (they are advised to do this in the NBA)?

Should we censor the media in this country? That would be one way to discontinue stories of that nature. Another would be for the accused not to in a situation to be reported on in the first place.

Like I said, the media will be the media. It is not going to change. The best way to avoid the news is to not put ones self in a position to be reported.

But if the media don't name him, and he's proven innocent, his reputation is left unscathed.

My point is- the media should not name anyone until they are CHARGED, not accused.

Hope I'm not being to direct at you- got nothing against you, just the situation.

BURGH86STEEL
03-23-2010, 11:58 PM
Yeah...hopefully from this point forward he only comes out to play football...and only with at least 4 witnesses around him at all times.

:roll:

Ben may be innocent but it still does not change the fact that he put himself in a BAD SITUATION. I don't believe anyone said he should only come out to play football. However, it is obvious that something must change in the way he conducts his business off the field. We will only have to look forward to more negative press if things don't change.

Without trying to sound like an a$$- who the Hell are we to tell Ben how to act?

So long as it's not illegal, so long as he isn't out there deliberatly giving the Steelers a bad reputation- it's Ben's life to live.

Sometimes, we might expect too much from the guys we cheer on Sundays. Once that jersey comes off, they are actually allowed to do as they like. They are just people, like all of us here, and have every right to expect to live a somewhat normal life.

Imagine if I told you that you can't access the internet because you might give the impression of enjoying porn, you can't order home delivery in case the home deliverer happens to be a woman & you might, just possibly, be alone together, you can't go out, ever, without written permission from your employer & under no circumstances should you find yourself alone with anyone, ever.

It can't be done. Unless Ben actually does THE WRONG THING, he's free to live, as far as I can see.

We can't tell Ben how to act. You are right, it is Ben's life to live. Ben can live a free life style all he wants. Remember that whatever he does affects himself, the Steelers, the NFL, his family, the fans, his teammates, and friends. Like it or not, he is a public figure. He gave up his right to live a "normal life" the moment he became a public figure. I don't think it is to much to ask to expect decency out of Ben or any other public figure.

I guess you don't see anything wrong with the way Ben conducted his business. Unfortunately, the Steelers and the NFL don't see it that way.

BURGH86STEEL
03-24-2010, 12:01 AM
The media will be the media, that is a given. There would be nothing to report if players did not put themselves in bad situations. People will have opinions that Ben is a womanizer that tries to have sexual relations with unknown women in clubs. IMO, that is no way for a 28 year old multi millionaire to conduct himself.

Right or wrong, this type of press only enhances Ben reputation in a negative light. This is the core of the problem that the Steelers and the NFL have to make Ben understand.

This is where you & I will differ.

Are you saying it's perfectly acceptable for the media to name Ben as the accused in a sexual assault case, with no charges laid, knowing that the outcome could not only be damaging to his reputation, but the result of the case could mean jail time?

This is a case that will forever hang over the accused, unless the 'victim' is found to be a raving looney.

In my opinion, the results of naming an 'accused' in a case that could lead to jail time or worse, when no charges have been laid, is irresponsible, hurtful, spiteful & should be illegal. As I pointed out (and if you go to ANY chat room that has various NFL fans you'll see I'm right) regardless of Ben's guilt, he is guilty to the eye of the general public. As far as I can see, if he isn't charged, with his reputation in tatters as a result of being named, with most probably a hit to his financial well being in the way of endorsements- this SHOULD be a case of slander. Basically, the media, through their irresponsible blathering of 'facts', has directly effected the public perception of Ben Roethlisberger's character in a negative manner. Ben, for all intents & purposes, can never lead the same life he had, before being named. If he's not guilty, hell, if he isn't even CHARGED, how is that even remotely 'acceptable' as 'the media being the media'?

No- for the good of your country, there MUST be some kind of provision put in place where 'accused' people are not named in the media until charged.

As for the media having nothing else to write about- they are sports hacks- write about...wait for it....sport.

Let me first say that I don't always agree with everything that is reported in the news. I rarely watch the news because of the negativity associated with that programming. I also agree with a lot of what you wrote.

First off, the media did not name him. The woman named him. He is still being accused by the women and not the media of sexual assault. The media reported that fact. I am not sure anyone in the media said he was or implied he was guilty. Guilt or innocence will run its course. People will have opinions regardless because of the situation. That's why it was a bad situation that could had been avoided with better judgement. Maybe by not inviting unknown women into his private party? Maybe not going into the bathroom to have sexual contact with the young lady? Is Ben that cheap he could not invite her to his home or a hotel room? Maybe have her sign a waiver (they are advised to do this in the NBA)?

Should we censor the media in this country? That would be one way to discontinue stories of that nature. Another would be for the accused not to in a situation to be reported on in the first place.

Like I said, the media will be the media. It is not going to change. The best way to avoid the news is to not put ones self in a position to be reported.

But if the media don't name him, and he's proven innocent, his reputation is left unscathed.

My point is- the media should not name anyone until they are CHARGED, not accused.

Hope I'm not being to direct at you- got nothing against you, just the situation.

No offense taken. I understand what you are saying. Unfortunately, this is not the country in which we live. I don't think it will ever change(unless you move to North Korea).

Northern_Blitz
03-24-2010, 12:17 AM
But if the media don't name him, and he's proven innocent, his reputation is left unscathed.

My point is- the media should not name anyone until they are CHARGED, not accused.

Hope I'm not being to direct at you- got nothing against you, just the situation.

Chadman has basically been saying this throughout the whole process. The accused (not charged) should get the same respect as the alleged victim until charges have been laid.

Responsible news outlets already shelter the accuser, why not do the same for the accused until the law decides that there is at least enought evidence to lay charges? We all know why, of course. News like this sells papers.

LordVile
03-24-2010, 01:05 AM
I would certainly send him a message...and the rest of the team a message. He needs a few games to think about going into bathrooms with strangers. There is no doubt about that.

YUP, bench ben for 3-4 games so he learns his lesson and how it is not to always be on top.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
03-24-2010, 01:17 AM
I believe there is a very long tradition in this country of posting for public view the police activity of the previous day. It's sort of like a civic function. Just about every small town newspaper has it's "Police Blotter" section. So, I think it's pretty much not going to happen that the media will not report out this story.

I guess where there is sexual assault or rape, society somewhere along the way has agreed that the victim's name should be shielded, maybe to encourage reporting that might otherwise not be done for feelings of shame, or something.

Maybe it would also be fair for the accuser's name to also be shielded. Is that the thin edge of some wedge, though?

P.S. Are Big Ben topics ok back on the front page again?

hawaiiansteel
03-24-2010, 02:56 AM
Forensic expert Dr. Cyril Wecht said the fact that police have declined to take a DNA sample from Ben means that it's likely there is no forensic evidence to back up the woman's claims.

"When you don't have any biological evidence, you have to decide whether you want to proceed with what the purported victim has stated," he said.



things are starting to look up for our $100 million franchise QB... :Cheers

stlrz d
03-24-2010, 07:20 AM
Yeah...hopefully from this point forward he only comes out to play football...and only with at least 4 witnesses around him at all times.

:roll:

Ben may be innocent but it still does not change the fact that he put himself in a BAD SITUATION. I don't believe anyone said he should only come out to play football. However, it is obvious that something must change in the way he conducts his business off the field. We will only have to look forward to more negative press if things don't change.

Without trying to sound like an a$$- who the Hell are we to tell Ben how to act?

So long as it's not illegal, so long as he isn't out there deliberatly giving the Steelers a bad reputation- it's Ben's life to live.

Sometimes, we might expect too much from the guys we cheer on Sundays. Once that jersey comes off, they are actually allowed to do as they like. They are just people, like all of us here, and have every right to expect to live a somewhat normal life.

Imagine if I told you that you can't access the internet because you might give the impression of enjoying porn, you can't order home delivery in case the home deliverer happens to be a woman & you might, just possibly, be alone together, you can't go out, ever, without written permission from your employer & under no circumstances should you find yourself alone with anyone, ever.

It can't be done. Unless Ben actually does THE WRONG THING, he's free to live, as far as I can see.

That's what I've been saying since the moment this story broke.

fezziwig
03-24-2010, 08:27 AM
I wonder if this means they are working on some type of settlement or plea bargain ?

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
03-24-2010, 08:30 AM
NFL network reported that there was no DNA to compare it to (as it pertains to the case). that means that he didn't leave any with her when he walked out of the bathroom.

Allegedly when he left the bathroom.....and I am willing to bet there is no video tape that shows Ben leaving the woman's bathroom. And had there been...they would have made an arrest and filed charges against him.

Folks...they dont have a leg to stand on. And I want to start hearing the apologies. Start with the commissioner.



If she didn't spit...then you must acquit!
hahaha damn that was funny.

Fixed that for you.

calmkiller
03-24-2010, 08:38 AM
Don't forget thought that Ben has already admitted to having sexual contact with the woman. So they can still use that.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
03-24-2010, 08:49 AM
Based on the fact Ben conceded to having sexual contact with the girl...

If Ben did go into that room to have some concentual fun...Then he put himself in a bad situation. Even if the "room" story was completely made up but he had concentual sexual contact with a girl he just met...That I could fault him on, especially after the first incident. For you & I, it wouldn't be bad but Ben has to be smarter. In my opinion, if the Commish wants to give him a 3 game....He deserves it. It might be the best thing for him to have the Commish put him in his place. Regardless of the outcome, from a league stand point, he gave them a "black eye". If the league doesn't, I would be behind the Rooney's if they did the same. He gave the Steelers 2 black-eyes & a kick in the nutz!

papillon
03-24-2010, 09:04 AM
I wonder if this means they are working on some type of settlement or plea bargain ?

That would be the best case scenario. Based on information from attorneys that I'm hearing it means very little because, they are not trying to identify the suspect. They know who the suspect is and where to find him, which makes sense to me. It could mean that the DA now has enough information to dismiss the case or file charges based on what I'm hearing.

Pappy

RuthlessBurgher
03-24-2010, 09:12 AM
[quote=birtikidis]NFL network reported that there was no DNA to compare it to (as it pertains to the case). that means that he didn't leave any with her when he walked out of the bathroom.

Allegedly when he left the bathroom.....and I am willing to bet there is no video tape that shows Ben leaving the woman's bathroom. And had there been...they would have made an arrest and filed charges against him.

Folks...they dont have a leg to stand on. And I want to start hearing the apologies. Start with the commissioner.

no one is apologizing.. what is there to apologize for? What does the commissioner have to apologize for? The headlines went out and the machine moved like they always do when a well known figure is accused of doing something like this.

If false, the girl needs to apologize and we go back to business as usual. Ben is still guilty of bringing drama to the team whether innocent or not. It's the price you pay for fame. Young girls and old skanks will always try to get Ben's money... he has to change his ways or it will happen again. Hell, he needs to operate like it will happen again.

Exactly. The commissioner answered one question about Big Ben and didn't even say anything of much substance other than "I'll talk to him when the proper time comes" and all of sudden its a lead story and every analyst is dissecting what he meant by that. Proposterous. Waste of air (H20 and television)...might as well put WNBA on instead of that garbage.[/quote:13ciyt56]

Waste of air and water? Protect our natural resources! :lol:

papillon
03-24-2010, 10:30 AM
Found this at the Gazette...seems there is no DNA to compare Ben's against. Ben may dodge a bullet in this one.

No DNA to compare... (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_673061.html?feed=9)

Pappy

feltdizz
03-24-2010, 11:23 AM
Yeah...hopefully from this point forward he only comes out to play football...and only with at least 4 witnesses around him at all times.

:roll:
Pretty much until these cases blow over that is what he has to do. He also has to spend some of that money he has at more upscale establishments and take girls out on a few dates. Whether you want to admit it or not Ben has terrible taste in women lately.

I'm inclined to believe you don't think Ben should have to change his ways off the field. If he doesn't and he keeps giving bitches shots this will probably happen again. A guy with his fame and money can't keep making moves on chicks 3 hours after meeting them. I see nothing wrong with shortening his leash until he is in the clear.

_SteeL_CurtaiN_
03-24-2010, 11:55 AM
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10083/1045168-66.stm



Forensic expert Dr. Cyril Wecht said the fact that police have declined to take a DNA sample from Mr. Roethlisberger means that it's likely there is no forensic evidence to back up the woman's claims.

"When you don't have any biological evidence, you have to decide whether you want to proceed with what the purported victim has stated," he said.

The woman who made the accusation, a student at Georgia College & State University, was examined at Oconee Regional Medical Center just hours after she told Milledgeville police that Mr. Roethlisberger sexually assaulted her.

Dr. Wecht said it's likely she was examined for signs of sexual assault there. If police have no comparable sample, it's likely that the exam of her and her clothing yielded no foreign biological specimens. such as semen, hair or saliva, he said.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10083/10 ... z0j6seY7G9 (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10083/1045168-66.stm#ixzz0j6seY7G9)


No DNA no guilt, I don't care who you are you don't stick your johnson in a mouth that could bite it off!!! :lol:

Dee Dub
03-24-2010, 12:24 PM
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Exactly. The commissioner answered one question about Big Ben and didn't even say anything of much substance other than "I'll talk to him when the proper time comes" and all of sudden its a lead story and every analyst is dissecting what he meant by that. Proposterous. Waste of air (H20 and television)...might as well put WNBA on instead of that garbage.

For the Commissioner to come out and say he has concerns that Ben continues to get himself into these types of situations is flat out wrong. This is judging Ben without cause. There has been no charges filed, Ben has never committed a crime, and he actually took precautions to guard against something negative happening (body guards-off duty police officers). He has to have a life. He has to be allowed to live his live and that means going out and having some fun. The other incident also has no charges file and it comes from a woman who bragged about being with Ben through emails and is now having to seek psychiatric help because of a made up relationship with a soldier that never existed.

Dee Dub
03-24-2010, 12:26 PM
no one is apologizing.. what is there to apologize for? What does the commissioner have to apologize for? The headlines went out and the machine moved like they always do when a well known figure is accused of doing something like this.

If false, the girl needs to apologize and we go back to business as usual. Ben is still guilty of bringing drama to the team whether innocent or not. It's the price you pay for fame. Young girls and old skanks will always try to get Ben's money... he has to change his ways or it will happen again. Hell, he needs to operate like it will happen again.


Well if this turns out to be B.S. and Ben didnt do anything wrong how can the commissioner say that he is concerned why Ben keeps putting himself in these positions? In fact he did every thing right. He had body guards who were off duty policemen. Is he not allowed to enjoy his life? And the second case...civil suit he was at a hotel for a charity function. And that woman is trying to gain financially over it...and never went to the police to file criminal charges.

He invited people he did not know into his private party. That's only one way to look at the situation. Ben is not the average Joe any longer. There are better and smarter ways to enjoy life without putting a career on the line. Ben better be more careful regardless of how this shakes out. One more mistake of this magnitude and I believe the Steelers will look to release or trade him.

Will you still feel the same if it comes out that all Ben did was give this girl a hug and take a picture with her? And if we find out that she too is also seeking monetary gain through a lie?

Dee Dub
03-24-2010, 12:31 PM
Yeah...hopefully from this point forward he only comes out to play football...and only with at least 4 witnesses around him at all times.

:roll:

Ben may be innocent but it still does not change the fact that he put himself in a BAD SITUATION. I don't believe anyone said he should only come out to play football. However, it is obvious that something must change in the way he conducts his business off the field. We will only have to look forward to more negative press if things don't change.

What bad situation? What if he actually did everything possible to avoid this? Look at who he had hired to protect him? Is he not allowed to go out in public? Can he not ever go out with his crew and a have a few drinks? Can he not go to a hotel and stay where he is at a golf tournament?

And to the one who said hire a porn star or a hooker….who is to say that they don’t come out and yell rape or sexual assault?

Dee Dub
03-24-2010, 12:37 PM
Don't forget thought that Ben has already admitted to having sexual contact with the woman. So they can still use that.

This is not true...and probably another example of the media reporting garbage. The perception that they give is the problem here. And you have been a victim of it.

Where and when did Ben admit to sexual contact? Here read the actual statement Ben made...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4984207

KDKA, the CBS affiliate in Pittsburgh, reported Roethlisberger told police and others in his party he did not have sexual intercourse with the young woman.

Sources told KDKA Roethlisberger said he had contact with the woman that was not consummated and afterward she slipped and fell, injuring her head.

Dee Dub
03-24-2010, 12:41 PM
Based on the fact Ben conceded to having sexual contact with the girl...

If Ben did go into that room to have some concentual fun...Then he put himself in a bad situation. Even if the "room" story was completely made up but he had concentual sexual contact with a girl he just met...That I could fault him on, especially after the first incident. For you & I, it wouldn't be bad but Ben has to be smarter. In my opinion, if the Commish wants to give him a 3 game....He deserves it. It might be the best thing for him to have the Commish put him in his place. Regardless of the outcome, from a league stand point, he gave them a "black eye". If the league doesn't, I would be behind the Rooney's if they did the same. He gave the Steelers 2 black-eyes & a kick in the nutz!

Oh my Goodness!! I can not believe some of you Steeler fans. Can you at least get the information right? I'd expect this from Bengals fans not fans of the Black and Gold.

Unbelievable!

Read!! Listen!! Learn!! Educate yourself!!

KDKA, the CBS affiliate in Pittsburgh, reported Roethlisberger told police and others in his party he did not have sexual intercourse with the young woman.

Sources told KDKA Roethlisberger said he had contact with the woman that was not consummated and afterward she slipped and fell, injuring her head.

Djfan
03-24-2010, 12:42 PM
Chadman - the media in the US is the cespool of all cespools. I would rather get rid of them than the lamos in the white house and congress anyday.

Well, the 'lamos in the white house' might just be the people you need to get in contact with in order to reign in your ever flowing cesspool.

Having run for local government here in Australia, I can tell you that all your Politicians will listen if you get enough people saying they are not happy with something. Start with Steeler Nation & get together a list of people not happy about the liberties the media take- I bet if you get significant numbers, your 'lamos' will take note..


NO, NO, NO, NO, and NO!!!!


This idea that the fix for all of our ills (real or otherwise) is the Government is foolish. The fix for our problems lies in us, and the free market place.

The fix for media is to have alternative media outlets who do it correctly (reporting on the decline of the dollar instead of a private plane crash in Alabama?!) and support them and their sponsors, while ignoring the Lame Stream Media and it's sponsors. BIG GOVERNMENT IS THE PROBLEM MORE OFTEN THAN NOT!!

Chadman, you are clearly one of the best posters on this board, but I want to PUKE when I hear this reaction. Don't take it personally.

Don't want Big Ben named as the possible perp? Get him to feel the heat of the the fan base and he will be smarter. Contact the Post Gazette and tell them that you will cancel your readership until they have a policy of not naming either the possible perp OR the possible victim in a case until charges are filed. Don't think it will work? Then tell me why the media keep putting lame cop shows on. Because people watch them.

The marketplace!!

RuthlessBurgher
03-24-2010, 01:34 PM
[quote="JUST-PLAIN-NASTY":23htb37f]Based on the fact Ben conceded to having sexual contact with the girl...

If Ben did go into that room to have some concentual fun...Then he put himself in a bad situation. Even if the "room" story was completely made up but he had concentual sexual contact with a girl he just met...That I could fault him on, especially after the first incident. For you & I, it wouldn't be bad but Ben has to be smarter. In my opinion, if the Commish wants to give him a 3 game....He deserves it. It might be the best thing for him to have the Commish put him in his place. Regardless of the outcome, from a league stand point, he gave them a "black eye". If the league doesn't, I would be behind the Rooney's if they did the same. He gave the Steelers 2 black-eyes & a kick in the nutz!

Oh my Goodness!! I can not believe some of you Steeler fans. Can you at least get the information right? I'd expect this from Bengals fans not fans of the Black and Gold.

Unbelievable!

Read!! Listen!! Learn!! Educate yourself!!

KDKA, the CBS affiliate in Pittsburgh, reported Roethlisberger told police and others in his party he did not have sexual intercourse with the young woman.

Sources told KDKA Roethlisberger said he had contact with the woman that was not consummated and afterward she slipped and fell, injuring her head.[/quote:23htb37f]

An allegation of sexual assault does not necessarily imply sexual intercourse. In fact, if she was saying that non-consensual sexual intercourse took place, then the allegation would be rape rather than sexual assault. Sexual assault could simply be unwanted groping between two fully clothesed people (in which case, there would be no DNA evidence on her person to compare, as the initial article in this thread suggests). At this point in the case, there are not enough facts available to the public either way. Not enough to charge him, and not enough to declare his complete innocence either.

feltdizz
03-24-2010, 01:38 PM
Dee Dub I think it goes like this. Goldiggers and ho ho ho's job description is to set Ben up for a money grab. Ben's responsibility is to make sure this doesn't happen.

If Ben never touched this woman or if it was a hug it would be over already. Going into the bathroom and or admitting contact and a bump shows Ben is still falling for the ho ho ho's tricks.

Ben has to live like every chick he meets is out for his money. It sucks for him but we see what happens when you let your guard down and think it's all good.