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D Rock
03-23-2010, 04:43 PM
Let's put all the individual player pimping aside for a minute and try to take a position by position look at exactly how crucial the need for top talent infusion is at each position.

The Overall Need is on a 10 point scale and represents how essential I feel it is to pick a player at this position in one of the first 2 rounds this year.


DE (Under contract through) Age
Aaron Smith (2011) 33
Ziggy Hood (2013) 23
Brett Keisel (2013) 31
Rashon Harris (2010) 23

Hood should be a future starter, Harris likely wont be expected to be anything more than a rotational player. It would be foolish to expect Aaron Smith to be a starter anymore after the potential lockout season in 2011. At that point, Keisel very well could be on his last legs too being 33 years old then. A future starter is needed to pair with Hood, but it can wait until next year if the value isn't there. If the value is right, then the pick should be made because it has been said DE in this 3-4 defense is one of the harder positions to adjust to and I don't want to see the team stuck using a player who isn't ready to play. Groom someone now if you have to, but have them ready to step in because the DE is that important.

Overall Need - 5



NT
Casey Hampton (2013?) 32
Chris Hoke (2010) 33

Steve McClendon? He could be the next Chris Hoke if he takes the needed steps forward. The coaches seemed to really like him last year as an UDFA. I haven't seen any word on him being on the roster this year though. Even if he is, he will never be the go-to NT for this team. Casey Hampton can be the needed run clogger until at least 2012. Much the same as DE, a top NT is needed soon but is not absolutely essential to pick this year. It's less necessary than DE in that only one is needed and two capable guys should be around for 2 or 3 more years.

Overall Need - 3




How would you all rate the need at these positions as far as picking them in the first two rounds this year?


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Oviedo
03-23-2010, 04:49 PM
I think you got it about right. Don't really need to add to the DL in Round 1 or 2 however from Round 3 on I would OK adding a NT and another DE.

steelblood
03-23-2010, 05:08 PM
DE-5
NT-5

But, I think you have to consider that this draft has great depth at a lot of positions that won't necessarily be there next year (including 3-4 D linemen). So, if you get a shot at a future starter, you may have to pull the trigger even if you have a more pressing need that could be addressed. Also, a player like Cam Thomas or maybe Dan Williams who can play both NT and DE would give Tomlin one of those flexibility guys he likes and may end up saving a roster spot.

Discipline of Steel
03-23-2010, 05:15 PM
I would touch DE up one or two notches just to increase our options for a rotation. Aaron Smith may be best scaled back a little at this point. Team Concept: The DLine takes a beating and having good depth allows us to throw more quality players in to help absorb that beating.

Lebsteel
03-23-2010, 05:43 PM
If our entire draft was Thomas/Wilson, Odrick and a 4th to 5th round C/RB, I would consider it a success. How do we trade to do that, I don't know and probably can't happen, but still just filling those two most vital areas would be great for me.

Chadman
03-23-2010, 05:48 PM
The Steelers said they were committed to getting younger on the DL last season, and added Hood & Harris. Job half done. They need at least another DE & certainly a NT from this draft to ensure that moving forward, the Steelers DL doesn't face enormous change in the space of 1 off season through retirements to older players.

Depth & value for the DE position might be best found from Round 3 onwards, and NT- if you miss the first 3 or 4 'elite' options- has depth through Rounds 4-6 looking at the draft board.

Need at least 2 more DL from this draft to continue the revamp of the DL.

hawaiiansteel
03-23-2010, 06:11 PM
DE-5
NT-4

But, I think you have to consider that this draft has great depth at a lot of positions that won't necessarily be there next year (including 3-4 D linemen). So, if you get a shot at a future starter, you may have to pull the trigger even if you have a more pressing need that could be addressed. Also, a player like Cam Thomas or maybe Dan Williams who can play both NT and DE would give Tomlin one of those flexibility guys he likes and may end up saving a roster spot.



:Agree

i like your idea of drafting a young DT that has the position flexibility to play both NT and DE and thus save a roster spot.

Dan Williams and Cam Thomas would have to be selected in the first two rounds, can anybody suggest a few more such players that can be drafted in Rounds 3 or later?

Chadman
03-23-2010, 06:16 PM
DE-5
NT-4

But, I think you have to consider that this draft has great depth at a lot of positions that won't necessarily be there next year (including 3-4 D linemen). So, if you get a shot at a future starter, you may have to pull the trigger even if you have a more pressing need that could be addressed. Also, a player like Cam Thomas or maybe Dan Williams who can play both NT and DE would give Tomlin one of those flexibility guys he likes and may end up saving a roster spot.



:Agree

i like your idea of drafting a young DT that has the position flexibility to play both NT and DE and thus save a roster spot.

Dan Williams and Cam Thomas would have to be selected in the first two rounds, can anybody suggest a few more such players that can be drafted in Rounds 3 or later?

Steelers were kicking the tyres of D'Anthony Smith from Louisiana Tech the other day- 6'2" 304 lbs. Should be available in rounds 4-5. Of course, if the Steelers are smart, they could have been checking Smith out because he competed against Mike Iupati 3 years running...background research into a possible 1st Round target..

RuthlessBurgher
03-23-2010, 06:35 PM
DE-5
NT-4

But, I think you have to consider that this draft has great depth at a lot of positions that won't necessarily be there next year (including 3-4 D linemen). So, if you get a shot at a future starter, you may have to pull the trigger even if you have a more pressing need that could be addressed. Also, a player like Cam Thomas or maybe Dan Williams who can play both NT and DE would give Tomlin one of those flexibility guys he likes and may end up saving a roster spot.



:Agree

i like your idea of drafting a young DT that has the position flexibility to play both NT and DE and thus save a roster spot.

Dan Williams and Cam Thomas would have to be selected in the first two rounds, can anybody suggest a few more such players that can be drafted in Rounds 3 or later?

After Dan and Cam, you have Oviedo's second favorite prospect (after Spiller), Torrell Troup from Central Florida. The following 4 guys will likely be taken on day two of the draft (rounds 2 or 3): Arkansas State's Alex Carrington, Cal's Tyson Alualu, Northwestern's Corey Wootten, and Texas' LaMarr Houston. If any of those guys were available at #82, they would be considered, I'm sure. After that, in the early portions of day three, Syracuse's Arthur Jones is intriguing (would be rated much higher if not for his knee injury) as well as the entire d-line from East Carolina (of all places): C.J. Wilson, Linval Joseph, and Jay Ross.

Steel Life
03-24-2010, 11:10 AM
I'm pimpin' Linval Joseph big time & some other later round guys I think would be interesting guys to bring in are Al Woods (LSU), Aleric Mullins (UNC) & Brandon Deaderic (Alabama).

Oviedo
03-24-2010, 11:30 AM
DE-5
NT-4

But, I think you have to consider that this draft has great depth at a lot of positions that won't necessarily be there next year (including 3-4 D linemen). So, if you get a shot at a future starter, you may have to pull the trigger even if you have a more pressing need that could be addressed. Also, a player like Cam Thomas or maybe Dan Williams who can play both NT and DE would give Tomlin one of those flexibility guys he likes and may end up saving a roster spot.



:Agree

i like your idea of drafting a young DT that has the position flexibility to play both NT and DE and thus save a roster spot.

Dan Williams and Cam Thomas would have to be selected in the first two rounds, can anybody suggest a few more such players that can be drafted in Rounds 3 or later?

After Dan and Cam, you have Oviedo's second favorite prospect (after Spiller), Torrell Troup from Central Florida. The following 4 guys will likely be taken on day two of the draft (rounds 2 or 3): Arkansas State's Alex Carrington, Cal's Tyson Alualu, Northwestern's Corey Wootten, and Texas' LaMarr Houston. If any of those guys were available at #82, they would be considered, I'm sure. After that, in the early portions of day three, Syracuse's Arthur Jones is intriguing (would be rated much higher if not for his knee injury) as well as the entire d-line from East Carolina (of all places): C.J. Wilson, Linval Joseph, and Jay Ross.

Another late pick or UDFA candidate for NT is Martin Tevaseau, NT, 6'3", 320lbs UNLV. I have reported in other threads he is Frank "The Tank" Summers' cousin so maybe we have some insights that others don't.

I would love to see the Steelers get Troup. The guy is tenaciaous and has a high motor, alot like Chris Hoke in terms of style. Really improved himself at UCF dropping 20 lbs since he arrived and committing to fitness and conditioning.

Tomorrow is UCF's Pro Day so I plan to be sniffing around and looking to see if I see anyone familiar.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
03-25-2010, 08:56 AM
I like your analysis D Rock, but I'd move the NT need up a few notches. The success of our 3-4 begins with the NT. Casey was drafted in 2001 with the 19th pick and has anchored our D for a decade.

Before him, Joel Steed was drafted in the third round in 1992 and held down the position until our first rounder stepped in. Looking back, there was not much demand for a 3-4 NT in 1992 so we had the luxury of grabbing later round prospects at positions like NT and undersized outside LBs who were considered too small to play LB in the NFL.

For almost 20 years we have had solid anchors manning this position. We now face a time when several teams have recently decided to go to the 3-4 and are looking for the next Casey Hampton. IMO it is possible to find a late rounder who will become that, but we need to find him now to figure out if he can become the NT of the future. Even a top round pick will need time for evaluation. As much as Hoke has brought stability and depth to the position, I think that at 33 he is a must sacrifice if we can land an early round NT prospect.

My NT rating: 7

steelblood
03-25-2010, 09:02 AM
I'm pimpin' Linval Joseph big time & some other later round guys I think would be interesting guys to bring in are Al Woods (LSU), Aleric Mullins (UNC) & Brandon Deaderic (Alabama).

Joseph is a good possible 3-4 DE, but he is too tall and has very skinny legs for NT. I think he'd be worth a look.

Al Woods is plain terrible. He played on a very talented defense and got pushed around all year long. He is not stout against the run and his effort is sketchy. My son is an LSU fan and I watched him play plenty. Avoid at all costs. He does have talent, but tapping into to that will be a problem because his work effort is weak.

Deadrick may go in the middle rounds because he was successful playing DE in a 3-4 defense in college (that is rare). He is not a lights out player, but he did his job well.

D Rock
03-25-2010, 10:31 AM
I like your analysis D Rock, but I'd move the NT need up a few notches. The success of our 3-4 begins with the NT. Casey was drafted in 2001 with the 19th pick and has anchored our D for a decade.

Before him, Joel Steed was drafted in the third round in 1992 and held down the position until our first rounder stepped in. Looking back, there was not much demand for a 3-4 NT in 1992 so we had the luxury of grabbing later round prospects at positions like NT and undersized outside LBs who were considered too small to play LB in the NFL.

For almost 20 years we have had solid anchors manning this position. We now face a time when several teams have recently decided to go to the 3-4 and are looking for the next Casey Hampton. IMO it is possible to find a late rounder who will become that, but we need to find him now to figure out if he can become the NT of the future. Even a top round pick will need time for evaluation. As much as Hoke has brought stability and depth to the position, I think that at 33 he is a must sacrifice if we can land an early round NT prospect.

My NT rating: 7


Thanks, and I like you analysis too. If they hadn't resigned Hampton I would have been full throttle for them to draft Dan Williams and have him split time with Hoke to find out if he will be the man or not. That will probably be where I'm at again next year too...the Hampton deal just bought them one extra year of being able to wait before they draft a NT in my opinion.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
03-25-2010, 01:03 PM
[quote="steeler_fan_in_t.o.":3fs43x8k]I like your analysis D Rock, but I'd move the NT need up a few notches. The success of our 3-4 begins with the NT. Casey was drafted in 2001 with the 19th pick and has anchored our D for a decade.

Before him, Joel Steed was drafted in the third round in 1992 and held down the position until our first rounder stepped in. Looking back, there was not much demand for a 3-4 NT in 1992 so we had the luxury of grabbing later round prospects at positions like NT and undersized outside LBs who were considered too small to play LB in the NFL.

For almost 20 years we have had solid anchors manning this position. We now face a time when several teams have recently decided to go to the 3-4 and are looking for the next Casey Hampton. IMO it is possible to find a late rounder who will become that, but we need to find him now to figure out if he can become the NT of the future. Even a top round pick will need time for evaluation. As much as Hoke has brought stability and depth to the position, I think that at 33 he is a must sacrifice if we can land an early round NT prospect.

My NT rating: 7


Thanks, and I like you analysis too. If they hadn't resigned Hampton I would have been full throttle for them to draft Dan Williams and have him split time with Hoke to find out if he will be the man or not. That will probably be where I'm at again next year too...the Hampton deal just bought them one extra year of being able to wait before they draft a NT in my opinion.[/quote:3fs43x8k]

I agree that the Hampton signing buys us time, but not time before drafting one. We now have the time before a NT gets thrown into the fire. It just means that we are not going to have to learn about a guy like Williams while he is battling on the field on Sundays - we will find out about him during the week. It also allows our heir apparent to learn from Casey.

If we don't draft the replacement this year then I'd put the need at a 9 for next year.

hawaiiansteel
03-25-2010, 02:40 PM
Steelers | Scheduled to meet with McClellan

Thu, 25 Mar 2010

Justin VanFulpen, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports the Pittsburgh Steelers are scheduled to meet with Marshall DE Albert McClellan Wednesday, March 31.



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hawaiiansteel
03-25-2010, 03:10 PM
i think we should pick up this free-agent NT to anchor our line for years to come - and yes she is my girlfriend... :lol:


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