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RuthlessBurgher
03-22-2010, 03:56 PM
Every year, there are about 50 guys that are proclaimed by draftniks to be sure-fire first round draft picks. Problem is that, mathematically, only 32 guys can be selected in the first round. Every year, some big name guys surprisingly fall into round 2. Last year, it was guys like James Laurinaitis and Rey Maualuga. The year before that, every WR fell out of round 1 (Donnie Avery, Devin Thomas, Jordy Nelson, James Hardy, Eddie Royal, Jerome Simpson, Desean Jackson, Malcolm Kelly, Limas Sweed, and Dexter Jackson were all taken in round 2). The year before that, guys like Alan Branch, Paul Posluszny, Dwayne Jarrett, and LaMarr Woodley fell out of the top round.

Our second round pick (#52) is worth 380 points on the trade value chart. Our third round pick (#82) is worth 180 points. That adds up to 560 points, which is exactly what Detroit's second pick of the second round is worth. St. Louis' first pick of the second round is worth 580...we could get there by throwing in our pick in the middle of 6th round as well.

I expect there to be much more action than usual to trade up to the early second round. Normally, as soon as the first round ends, the second round begins, and there team with the first pick of the second round only has 7 minutes to work out a trade or else make their pick. This year, though, with the first round on Thursday night and the second round not starting until Friday, teams have time to sleep on it and offer trades on Friday morning if they want to.

Last year, the Jets took advantage of this extra time to sleep on it and make a deal the next morning, when they realized that Shonn Greene was still available after the first two rounds were completed on Saturday and before round 3 started on Sunday. There was plenty of time to trade up for the guy they wanted, and the Lions obliged.

Although giving up our 3rd round pick would be a steep price to pay in a draft deemed quite deep, consider that the 3rd round picks in the Colbert era are as follows: Kendrick Clancy, Hank Poteat, Chris Hope, Max Starks, Trai Essex, Anthony Smith, Willie Reid, Matt Spaeth, Bruce Davis, Kraig Urbik, Mike Wallace, and Keenan Lewis. Our bust to success ratio in this round is not particularly good to say the least.

Such a trade could be like getting two guys with first round value (one at #18 and another at #33 or #34 by trading away our 3rd round pick). I won't speculate on who might be the guys who fall this year in this space...this is not a prediction thread. I just want to know if any of these guys with grades currently in the latter portion of round 1 did fall into round 2 (for whatever reason), who would you be willing to trade up for?

A cornerback such as Kyle Wilson or Devin McCourty?
A safety such as Taylor Mays?
A defensive end such as Jared Odrick?
A nose tackle such as Terrence Cody?
A outside linebacker such as Brandon Graham, Sergio Kindle, or Jerry Hughes?
A guard such as Mike Iupati?
A center such as Maurkice Pouncey?

Again, I'm not saying that I expect any of these guys to necessarily fall out of the first round (in fact, I'd say that 8 out of 10 of those guys would likely be gone in round one, and it is difficult to speculate which 1 or 2 guys might fall). But if any of them did slip, who would you be willing to trade for at the top of the second round? Who has enough perceived first round value to be worth our second and third round picks?

steelblood
03-22-2010, 04:18 PM
I think the 3rd round will be flush with talent as well. This is a fantastic draft and I would rather acquire more picks in rounds 1-4 than fewer. I'd love to see the team trade back in the first to pick up another day two (rounds 2-3) pick.

But, if for some reason, Earl Thomas, Kyle Wilson, Jared Odrick, or Sean Weatherspoon was still there at the beginning of the 2nd round, I think it would be a great idea to trade up.

NW Steeler
03-22-2010, 04:32 PM
:Agree

There could be a great shot to get a highly rated player at the top of round 2. I would give up our third for Odrick or a top CB. I doubt Odrick makes it out of the first, along with Spoon and Thomas.

papillon
03-22-2010, 04:32 PM
I think the 3rd round will be flush with talent as well. This is a fantastic draft and I would rather acquire more picks in rounds 1-4 than fewer. I'd love to see the team trade back in the first to pick up another day two (rounds 2-3) pick.

But, if for some reason, Earl Thomas, Kyle Wilson, Jared Odrick, or Sean Weatherspoon was still there at the beginning of the 2nd round, I think it would be a great idea to trade up.

The "Earl" of Pittsburgh coming your way in April, 2010! :Cheers

Pappy

RuthlessBurgher
03-22-2010, 04:40 PM
Imagine being able to draft, say, Earl Thomas at #18, then trade up for, say, Jared Odrick, and still have 7 more picks on day 3 (a 4th, three 5ths, a 6th, and two 7ths). Would anyone be upset with that?

hawaiiansteel
03-22-2010, 04:51 PM
i would definitely trade up in Round 2 to get Jared Odrick or Kyle Wilson, but realistically i think they will both be long gone. here are 4 players that i also would consider, especially Brandon Graham who will probable not make it to Round 2 either (but if he does...)


Brandon Graham—Michigan (DE / 6-2 / 268)

Round: Mid-1st

Graham was a terror in the Big Ten and gave a sneak peek to other conferences after his MVP-showing at the Senior Bowl. He would instantly upgrade a teams’ ability, or lack thereof, to generate a consistent pass-rush.

Graham might be a bit undersized by NFL standards, but he’s the epitome of explosiveness. With his gym-rat, high-motor characteristics, any NFL defensive coordinator will be thrilled to add a player of Graham’s caliber.




Corey Wootton — Northwestern (DE / 6-7 / 270)

Round: Late-1st

At 6'7", Wootton is a run-stopper first with the physical skill-set to be a dynamo pass-rusher. With the right coaching, he could be one of the better value picks in the 2010 draft.

His size and skills are attractive to both 4-3 and 3-4 defenses. Wootton has no character issues and will become one of the top players from this draft once he’s able to spend some time under an NFL-caliber defensive line coach.



Jerry Hughes — TCU (DE / 6-2 / 255)

Round: Early 2nd

Coaches are enamored with the playmaking potential of this former high school running back. Scouts think he projects to linebacker after lining up as a defensive end for the Horned Frogs because of his exceptional speed.

Hughes can line up as a 3-4 linebacker or a pass-rushing specialist in a traditional 4-3 base. He’s anchored one of the nation’s best defenses the last two seasons and he’s an explosive tackler who will add instant disruption to offensive coordinators game plans on blitz packages. But he’s also fast enough to drop back in coverage when need be.


Vladimir Ducasse — Massachusetts (OT / 6-5 / 335)

Round: 2nd

Besides having one of the more intriguing side stories in this crop of prospects, the Haiti native might be one of the most versatile, too.

Size and strength of his magnitude are rare and the fact Ducasse didn’t begin playing football until his junior year of high school makes him an interesting risk-reward selection in late April.

Ducasse can play multiple positions on the line immediately and he could provide depth at tackle, or start at guard while he gains another year of coaching..

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3671 ... two-rounds (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/367136-2010-nfl-draft-20-players-worth-reaching-for-in-first-two-rounds)

birtikidis
03-22-2010, 04:59 PM
If Oderick (sp?) or Wilson somehow fell I could see us going up to get them. Or if we miss out on Thomas and end up with Spoon, I could see a trade up to get Nate Allen (though not all the way to the top of the 2nd, I think we'd only have to move up a couple spots)

flippy
03-22-2010, 05:10 PM
I think we should look at trading down in the first and then using those extra picks to move up in the second.

And we keep our 3rd that way and possibly could use some later picks to move up in the 3rd.

The big question is where is the value?

After Suh and Berry, the talent gets closer imho. By pick 18 for sure. I think pick 18 and pick 30 seem more equivalent then they ever have.

I think there's going to be a lot of talent between mid round 1 to mid round 3 and we should try to maximize our picks in that range.

Heck I'd look at trading down 2 times or more to get more picks in the 1-3 range.

steelblood
03-22-2010, 05:19 PM
i would definitely trade up in Round 2 to get Jared Odrick or Kyle Wilson, but realistically i think they will both be long gone. here are 4 players that i also would consider, especially Brandon Graham who will probable not make it to Round 2 either (but if he does...)


Brandon Graham—Michigan (DE / 6-2 / 268)

Round: Mid-1st

Graham was a terror in the Big Ten and gave a sneak peek to other conferences after his MVP-showing at the Senior Bowl. He would instantly upgrade a teams’ ability, or lack thereof, to generate a consistent pass-rush.

Graham might be a bit undersized by NFL standards, but he’s the epitome of explosiveness. With his gym-rat, high-motor characteristics, any NFL defensive coordinator will be thrilled to add a player of Graham’s caliber.




Corey Wootton — Northwestern (DE / 6-7 / 270)

Round: Late-1st

At 6'7", Wootton is a run-stopper first with the physical skill-set to be a dynamo pass-rusher. With the right coaching, he could be one of the better value picks in the 2010 draft.

His size and skills are attractive to both 4-3 and 3-4 defenses. Wootton has no character issues and will become one of the top players from this draft once he’s able to spend some time under an NFL-caliber defensive line coach.



Jerry Hughes — TCU (DE / 6-2 / 255)

Round: Early 2nd

Coaches are enamored with the playmaking potential of this former high school running back. Scouts think he projects to linebacker after lining up as a defensive end for the Horned Frogs because of his exceptional speed.

Hughes can line up as a 3-4 linebacker or a pass-rushing specialist in a traditional 4-3 base. He’s anchored one of the nation’s best defenses the last two seasons and he’s an explosive tackler who will add instant disruption to offensive coordinators game plans on blitz packages. But he’s also fast enough to drop back in coverage when need be.


Vladimir Ducasse — Massachusetts (OT / 6-5 / 335)

Round: 2nd

Besides having one of the more intriguing side stories in this crop of prospects, the Haiti native might be one of the most versatile, too.

Size and strength of his magnitude are rare and the fact Ducasse didn’t begin playing football until his junior year of high school makes him an interesting risk-reward selection in late April.

Ducasse can play multiple positions on the line immediately and he could provide depth at tackle, or start at guard while he gains another year of coaching..

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3671 ... two-rounds (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/367136-2010-nfl-draft-20-players-worth-reaching-for-in-first-two-rounds)

Graham and Hughes are great players. IF we could find a way to get them on the field and improve our pass rush, they'd be great additions.

Wooten may be worth an early second round grade, but right now we already have our starters and a 1st round pick to back them up. It would be difficult to then spend our 2nd and 3rd round picks in this draft on a DE who is still recovering from a bad knee injury.

Ducasse, I'd definitely say no. He's a project and probably won't make it as a tackle in this league. If he interested us, I'd wait and hope he falls closer to our actual 2nd round pick (which I think he may).

Chadman
03-22-2010, 05:41 PM
Trading down a couple of spots in Round 1 sounds good- maybe a move down with the Packers? It'll really depend on how the run of selections go- if a bunch of the guys the steelers are interested in are still on the board- trade down. If only 1 or 2 remain- might need to stay put.

As for trading up in Round 2- only a couple of players seem worthy- Terrence Cody or Devin McCourty might still be on the board around there & both are interesting enough to make a trade up viable.

steelerkeylargo
03-22-2010, 05:49 PM
I would be fine with it but would rather trade our 4/5 & 6 for another 3rd!

hawaiiansteel
03-22-2010, 06:02 PM
Trading down a couple of spots in Round 1 sounds good- maybe a move down with the Packers? It'll really depend on how the run of selections go- if a bunch of the guys the steelers are interested in are still on the board- trade down. If only 1 or 2 remain- might need to stay put.

As for trading up in Round 2- only a couple of players seem worthy- Terrence Cody or Devin McCourty might still be on the board around there & both are interesting enough to make a trade up viable.



how about we trade down with Philadelphia, we move down from our current position at #18 (worth 900 points) to Philly's #24 spot (740 points), a difference of 160 points. Philly gives us their 3rd round pick (#87 worth 155 points) to make up the difference.

This would give us eleven draft choices, a lot of ammunition that can be used to target specific players and/or trade up in a round if we spot another Ricardo Colclough, I mean Troy Polamalu type of player.

(1) Round 1 choice (#24)
(1) Round 2 " (#52)
(2) Round 3 choices (#82) and (#87)
(1) Round 4 choice
(3) Round 5 choices
(1) Round 6 choice
(2) Round 7 choices

Chadman
03-22-2010, 06:12 PM
Trading down a couple of spots in Round 1 sounds good- maybe a move down with the Packers? It'll really depend on how the run of selections go- if a bunch of the guys the steelers are interested in are still on the board- trade down. If only 1 or 2 remain- might need to stay put.

As for trading up in Round 2- only a couple of players seem worthy- Terrence Cody or Devin McCourty might still be on the board around there & both are interesting enough to make a trade up viable.



how about we trade down with Philadelphia, we move down from our current position at #18 (worth 900 points) to Philly's #24 spot (740 points), a difference of 160 points. Philly gives us their 3rd round pick (#87 worth 155 points) to make up the difference.

This would give us eleven draft choices, a lot of ammunition that can be used to target specific players and/or trade up in a round if we spot another Ricardo Colclough, I mean Troy Polamalu type of player.

(1) Round 1 choice (#24)
(1) Round 2 " (#52)
(2) Round 3 choices (#82) and (#87)
(1) Round 4 choice
(3) Round 5 choices
(1) Round 6 choice
(2) Round 7 choices

Ok, but who would be available at #24? Would the Steelers take themselves out of consideration of a 'special' player by doing that? Is it worth it? Not saying it's a bad idea- just that the Steelers might need to take into account the quality they might pass up.

hawaiiansteel
03-22-2010, 06:26 PM
Trading down a couple of spots in Round 1 sounds good- maybe a move down with the Packers? It'll really depend on how the run of selections go- if a bunch of the guys the steelers are interested in are still on the board- trade down. If only 1 or 2 remain- might need to stay put.

As for trading up in Round 2- only a couple of players seem worthy- Terrence Cody or Devin McCourty might still be on the board around there & both are interesting enough to make a trade up viable.



how about we trade down with Philadelphia, we move down from our current position at #18 (worth 900 points) to Philly's #24 spot (740 points), a difference of 160 points. Philly gives us their 3rd round pick (#87 worth 155 points) to make up the difference.

This would give us eleven draft choices, a lot of ammunition that can be used to target specific players and/or trade up in a round if we spot another Ricardo Colclough, I mean Troy Polamalu type of player.

(1) Round 1 choice (#24)
(1) Round 2 " (#52)
(2) Round 3 choices (#82) and (#87)
(1) Round 4 choice
(3) Round 5 choices
(1) Round 6 choice
(2) Round 7 choices

Ok, but who would be available at #24? Would the Steelers take themselves out of consideration of a 'special' player by doing that? Is it worth it? Not saying it's a bad idea- just that the Steelers might need to take into account the quality they might pass up.



I would look to select CB Kyle Wilson at #24, one spot before the Ravens pick at #25. (they supposedly covet Wilson as they are unsure of the injury status of CB Lardarius Webb)

if Wilson is gone, i would then look to draft DE Jared Odrick, OG Mike Iupati or OLBs Sean Weatherspoon and Brandon Graham.

this is a very deep draft, one of the deepest and best i have seen in many, many years!

Shawn
03-22-2010, 06:56 PM
Every year, there are about 50 guys that are proclaimed by draftniks to be sure-fire first round draft picks. Problem is that, mathematically, only 32 guys can be selected in the first round. Every year, some big name guys surprisingly fall into round 2. Last year, it was guys like James Laurinaitis and Rey Maualuga. The year before that, every WR fell out of round 1 (Donnie Avery, Devin Thomas, Jordy Nelson, James Hardy, Eddie Royal, Jerome Simpson, Desean Jackson, Malcolm Kelly, Limas Sweed, and Dexter Jackson were all taken in round 2). The year before that, guys like Alan Branch, Paul Posluszny, Dwayne Jarrett, and LaMarr Woodley fell out of the top round.

Our second round pick (#52) is worth 380 points on the trade value chart. Our third round pick (#82) is worth 180 points. That adds up to 560 points, which is exactly what Detroit's second pick of the second round is worth. St. Louis' first pick of the second round is worth 580...we could get there by throwing in our pick in the middle of 6th round as well.

I expect there to be much more action than usual to trade up to the early second round. Normally, as soon as the first round ends, the second round begins, and there team with the first pick of the second round only has 7 minutes to work out a trade or else make their pick. This year, though, with the first round on Thursday night and the second round not starting until Friday, teams have time to sleep on it and offer trades on Friday morning if they want to.

Last year, the Jets took advantage of this extra time to sleep on it and make a deal the next morning, when they realized that Shonn Greene was still available after the first two rounds were completed on Saturday and before round 3 started on Sunday. There was plenty of time to trade up for the guy they wanted, and the Lions obliged.

Although giving up our 3rd round pick would be a steep price to pay in a draft deemed quite deep, consider that the 3rd round picks in the Colbert era are as follows: Kendrick Clancy, Hank Poteat, Chris Hope, Max Starks, Trai Essex, Anthony Smith, Willie Reid, Matt Spaeth, Bruce Davis, Kraig Urbik, Mike Wallace, and Keenan Lewis. Our bust to success ratio in this round is not particularly good to say the least.

Such a trade could be like getting two guys with first round value (one at #18 and another at #33 or #34 by trading away our 3rd round pick). I won't speculate on who might be the guys who fall this year in this space...this is not a prediction thread. I just want to know if any of these guys with grades currently in the latter portion of round 1 did fall into round 2 (for whatever reason), who would you be willing to trade up for?

A cornerback such as Kyle Wilson or Devin McCourty?
A safety such as Taylor Mays?
A defensive end such as Jared Odrick?
A nose tackle such as Terrence Cody?
A outside linebacker such as Brandon Graham, Sergio Kindle, or Jerry Hughes?
A guard such as Mike Iupati?
A center such as Maurkice Pouncey?

Again, I'm not saying that I expect any of these guys to necessarily fall out of the first round (in fact, I'd say that 8 out of 10 of those guys would likely be gone in round one, and it is difficult to speculate which 1 or 2 guys might fall). But if any of them did slip, who would you be willing to trade for at the top of the second round? Who has enough perceived first round value to be worth our second and third round picks?

I would be very ok with moving up to draft any of those guys.

Lebsteel
03-22-2010, 07:10 PM
Imagine being able to draft, say, Earl Thomas at #18, then trade up for, say, Jared Odrick, and still have 7 more picks on day 3 (a 4th, three 5ths, a 6th, and two 7ths). Would anyone be upset with that?
I would probably be jumping around the living room like I did when we drafted Ben if that scenario played out...

hawaiiansteel
03-22-2010, 07:12 PM
Trading down a couple of spots in Round 1 sounds good- maybe a move down with the Packers? It'll really depend on how the run of selections go- if a bunch of the guys the steelers are interested in are still on the board- trade down. If only 1 or 2 remain- might need to stay put.

As for trading up in Round 2- only a couple of players seem worthy- Terrence Cody or Devin McCourty might still be on the board around there & both are interesting enough to make a trade up viable.



how about we trade down with Philadelphia, we move down from our current position at #18 (worth 900 points) to Philly's #24 spot (740 points), a difference of 160 points. Philly gives us their 3rd round pick (#87 worth 155 points) to make up the difference.

This would give us eleven draft choices, a lot of ammunition that can be used to target specific players and/or trade up in a round if we spot another Ricardo Colclough, I mean Troy Polamalu type of player.

(1) Round 1 choice (#24)
(1) Round 2 " (#52)
(2) Round 3 choices (#82) and (#87)
(1) Round 4 choice
(3) Round 5 choices
(1) Round 6 choice
(2) Round 7 choices

Ok, but who would be available at #24? Would the Steelers take themselves out of consideration of a 'special' player by doing that? Is it worth it? Not saying it's a bad idea- just that the Steelers might need to take into account the quality they might pass up.



I would look to select CB Kyle Wilson at #24, one spot before the Ravens pick at #25. (they supposedly covet Wilson as they are unsure of the injury status of CB Lardarius Webb)

if Wilson is gone, i would then look to draft DE Jared Odrick, OG Mike Iupati or OLBs Sean Weatherspoon and Brandon Graham.

this is a very deep draft, one of the deepest and best i have seen in many, many years!



i think Brandon Graham is the best pass rusher in the country. the best way to defend the pass is to pressure the QB, if Graham is there at #24 i think the Steelers would have to seriously consider him.



NFL Draft: Don’t Count on Brandon Graham in the Second Round


It didn’t take long for the rug to be pulled out from underneath Browns fans that were excited about the latest Mock Draft that was put out by Scout.com’s Chris Steuber. Along side Joe Haden at No. 7 overall, Steuber had the Browns selecting Michigan’s Brandon Graham in the second round – something that many were very excited to see. However, with Graham excelling in this year’s Senior bowl, it appears that his stock has risen to a level that could see him selected in the middle of the first round.

“There’s occasionally one player at the Senior Bowl who makes himself look like a man among boys–even though the field is filled with a star-studded cast,” said Scout.com’s Ed Thompson. “On Saturday, that man was Brandon Graham, who won MVP honors.”

On top of the stats that were recorded, Graham was consistently in the backfield forcing the opposing quarterback to throw the ball prior preferred release and at one point, forced Tim Tebow to use his feet on a 3rd-and-11, resulting in a punt. Those that saw Graham against Ohio State know how much of a force he was against the Buckeye offensive line.

Leading in the nation in tackles for a loss (26), Graham looks more and more like a Michigan pass-rusher that left for the NFL not all that long ago in Pittsburgh’s LaMarr Woodley – a comparison which Graham is very comfortable with. On paper, his height (6?1?) and weight (263 lbs.) were thought to be working against him, but his ability to get the quarterback have put a lot of the naysayers to rest. If Graham were to somehow fall to the originally-pegged slot, he could be an outside linebacker in a 3-4 scheme or a defensive end in a 4-3 scheme.

A five-star prospect, Graham currently sits atop Scout.com’s NFL draft rankings for outside linebackers.

http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/?p=24204

phillyesq
03-22-2010, 10:09 PM
If Iupati makes it past the Eagles at 24, I could see him falling to the second. A lot of the teams in the late first have solid lines or other needs.

Lets say the Steelers come away with Earl Thomas and Iupati after the first two days. They could use their fifth to move up towards the top of the 4th and grab somebody else, and still have the 2 fifth round comp picks, their 6th, and 2 7ths.

Shawn
03-22-2010, 10:28 PM
Imagine being able to draft, say, Earl Thomas at #18, then trade up for, say, Jared Odrick, and still have 7 more picks on day 3 (a 4th, three 5ths, a 6th, and two 7ths). Would anyone be upset with that?

Heck no...if everyone else flopped it would be an amazing draft.

Steel Life
03-22-2010, 10:47 PM
No one...in fact, I'd prefer the team to trade down in the 2nd to pick up the extra 3rd (as evidenced in my mock below...). Now if they want to start jumping around in the 3rd or later, then fine, as long as we get quality or stockpile picks for next season.

NJ-STEELER
03-22-2010, 11:43 PM
after the senior bowl, i was hoping to trade up to that area and take kyle wilson. but, i think he's gonna be taken in the 1st round now.


a buddy of mine is a cowboy fan and he says they love Iupati. they also like pouncey and are looking for a safety as well.


i told him our #18 and our 3rd rder for dallas' 1st, 2nd and 4th.

ruthie, how do those numbers work out on the value scale

hawaiiansteel
03-22-2010, 11:59 PM
after the senior bowl, i was hoping to trade up to that area and take kyle wilson. but, i think he's gonna be taken in the 1st round now.


a buddy of mine is a cowboy fan and he says they love Iupati. they also like pouncey and are looking for a safety as well.


i told him our #18 and our 3rd rder for dallas' 1st, 2nd and 4th.

ruthie, how do those numbers work out on the value scale


the numbers work out 1080 points versus just about 1040, Dallas should also throw in their 5th round pick to make it more even for us.

the bigger question is this, "what in the world are you doing with a buddy who is a Cowboys' fan?

RuthlessBurgher
03-23-2010, 12:26 AM
Here is one that most won't like...but still.

What if we took Iupati at #18, then traded up into the early 2nd to get Pouncey as well? If you then signed Colon to an extension, you'd have your o-line set for the foreseeable future. Hartwig and Essex would likely still start this season (we aren't likely to throw the kids to the wolves). Then we could cut Hartwig after this season and possibly keep Legursky as a backup center, Urbik as a backup guard, Scott or Hills as a backup tackle, Essex and Foster as versatile guard/tackles, with Starks-Iupati-Pouncey-Kemoeatu-Colon as your starting lineup in 2011 (and likely stay that way until the middle of the decade or so, unless injuries strike, of course).

I realize that everyone was looking forward to a defense-heavy draft (and I still think that is the way it likely goes down), but after the free agent signings, there aren't huge holes on defense. On the d-line, we have 4 vets and 2 youngsters: Smith/Hampton/Woodley/Hoke and Hood/Harris. We could supplement that with a day 3 prospect like Jay Ross from East Carolina. On the d-line, we have 6 guys with experience: Harrison/Farrior/Timmons/Woodley/Foote/Fox. We could use some depth and special teams play from a day 3 prosepect like Adrian Tracy. At safety, we have 3 vets and a youngster: Polamalu/Clark/Allen and Mundy. We could use some depth and special teams play for a day 3 prospect like Myron Rolle. At corner, we have Ike and Gay, plus Lewis and Burnett with a year under their belt, and unknown quantities like Trae Williams and David Pittman. After using the 1/2/3 picks to get Iupati and Pouncey, I think you'd have to use your 4th round pick on the best available CB (perhaps someone like Donovan Warren, Myron Lewis, or Alterraun Verner).

NJ-STEELER
03-23-2010, 02:38 AM
after the senior bowl, i was hoping to trade up to that area and take kyle wilson. but, i think he's gonna be taken in the 1st round now.


a buddy of mine is a cowboy fan and he says they love Iupati. they also like pouncey and are looking for a safety as well.


i told him our #18 and our 3rd rder for dallas' 1st, 2nd and 4th.

ruthie, how do those numbers work out on the value scale


the numbers work out 1080 points versus just about 1040, Dallas should also throw in their 5th round pick to make it more even for us.

the bigger question is this, "what in the world are you doing with a buddy who is a Cowboys' fan?

unfortunately, there are many more as well.


its kind of crazy, living about 15 minutes from the Giants stadium i have more close friends/family that are cowboy fans then Giant or jet fans

DHSF
03-23-2010, 01:34 PM
With the two extra 5th round and 7th round picks, I would prefer trading our our 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th to get a late 2nd/early 3rd rounder. (not sure how the points would pan out)

RuthlessBurgher
03-23-2010, 01:44 PM
With the two extra 5th round and 7th round picks, I would prefer trading our our 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th to get a late 2nd/early 3rd rounder. (not sure how the points would pan out)

That wouldn't get you a late 2nd/early 3rd. It would get you a late 3rd/early 4th.

Our 4th is worth 62 points, our tradeable 5th is worth 31 points, our 6th is worth 17 points, and our tradable 7th is worth 3 points. That's 113 points.

According to the trade value chart, the 97th overall pick is worth 112 points. However, the 97th pick is an untradeable comp pick owned by the Titans. The 96th pick (Bengals) and 98th pick (Falcons) are also untradeable comp picks. New Orleans has the last regular pick of the 3rd round (#95) and St. Louis has the first regular pick of the 4th round (#99). Those picks are worth 120 and 104 points, respectively. Not worth giving up a mid 4th, mid 5th, mid 6th, and mid 7th for a late 3rd or early 4th.