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fezziwig
03-09-2010, 11:09 PM
I guess they want to get Bens DNA as far as I understand. If they want to get Bens DNA wouldn't it makes sense to believe, they are trying to match up DNA ?

What are the chances that Ben does have DNA on or in this girl ? Do you think she requested a DNA test at the hospital? With these kind of charges or crimes, do the police check the victim for DNA to see if possibly the victim is telling a lie ?
Maybe the DNA test will clear Ben ?

For the police to say they need to get Bens DNA they must have some that was found on the girl. I wonder if it is Bens DNA, someone elses or even the girls own DNA ? The police won't know until they check Ben.

Say it is Bens DNA, does that automatically make him guilty ? What if it is just slobber ? Ben was a rookie under Cowher, who knows what all Cowher taught him.

What if this chick decided to make out with Ben, his DNA is there and now she is yelling what she is yelling ? Has Ben said anything like, I never touched her, or we did get busy but she was a willing partner.

All freakin reasons if he is innocent on why he should still use some common sense.

Shawn
03-10-2010, 12:16 AM
I would say they are not only looking on her but in the bathroom to make a match. If they find Ben's DNA on her and in the bathroom...this case becomes alot more complicated.

But let's say there is no Ben DNA in the bathroom. None vaginally. No scratches or bruises...no witness seeing the "incident"...well nothing will come of it. I think the next week will be very telling if law enforcement is willing to share evidence.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
03-10-2010, 09:44 AM
Any time DNA is requested...It isn't good. This tells me Ben & her story are far apart. More than likely, Ben is denying physical contact. Just my take...

drprwnap
03-10-2010, 10:45 AM
It's simple: No charges filed, no DNA provided.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
03-10-2010, 10:48 AM
It's simple: No charges filed, no DNA provided.
I don't think charges need to be filed for them to request DNA. I think it is his right to decline without being charged but we know where that will go.

plainnasty
03-10-2010, 11:12 AM
It doesn't matter whether or not Ben is charged. A court order or a subpoena will be needed to get a DNA sample. And there will be no problem getting a court order or subpoena in this case.

If the DNA matches, then it comes down to whether or not the sex was consensual. (Assuming that the allegations involve sex since we don't know exactly what the allegations are). If this is the case it can come down to "he said, she said", which can be enough to charge someone but hard to convict someone. They would need other physical signs that the sex was not consensual or another witness that saw something to back up her story.

Something like that could lead to an out of court settlement, with the charges being dropped.

NW Steeler
03-10-2010, 11:35 AM
I heard the term "sexual manipulation" last night on the radio in an interview with Ben's attorney. I've never heard that before. The lawyer declined to give a definition of that term. This doesn't sound like they had intercourse to me, but why are they asking for DNA? And isn't sexual assault different than rape? If he forced her to have sex, then this would be a rape charge, not sexual assault. Sexual manipulation? Really?

plainnasty
03-10-2010, 11:41 AM
I heard the term "sexual manipulation" last night on the radio in an interview with Ben's attorney. I've never heard that before. The lawyer declined to give a definition of that term. This doesn't sound like they had intercourse to me, but why are they asking for DNA? And isn't sexual assault different than rape? If he forced her to have sex, then this would be a rape charge, not sexual assault. Sexual manipulation? Really?
I have the same questions as you. These are questions that the media should be asking or answering. Every state is different with their laws. I has been disappointed that the media has not answered these questions.

ikestops85
03-10-2010, 11:50 AM
Does anyone here really think Ben didn't "do her"? C'mon, Ben is a red blooded american male and he had this young thing hanging on him the entire night. We know he doesn't have the greatest taste in women (see McNutty) so it's really not a stretch that he scored.

That doesn't have anything to do whether he is guilty of sexual assault but the DNA tests will just confirm what most of us have already concluded. Sex occurred ... the question is whether it was consentual or not. I don't know Ben but I have a hard time believing he would be stupid enough to force himself on someone. He might not be the brightest bulb in the box but he couldn't be that dim ... could he?

NW Steeler
03-10-2010, 12:15 PM
No, I don't believe that he forced her to do anything. That is why I find this whole "sexual manipulation" thing to be interesting.

feltdizz
03-10-2010, 01:32 PM
Does anyone here really think Ben didn't "do her"? C'mon, Ben is a red blooded american male and he had this young thing hanging on him the entire night. We know he doesn't have the greatest taste in women (see McNutty) so it's really not a stretch that he scored.

That doesn't have anything to do whether he is guilty of sexual assault but the DNA tests will just confirm what most of us have already concluded. Sex occurred ... the question is whether it was consentual or not. I don't know Ben but I have a hard time believing he would be stupid enough to force himself on someone. He might not be the brightest bulb in the box but he couldn't be that dim ... could he?

While I don't think Ben forced himself on her...

I have seen guys who change when they are drunk and the smell of goodie goodie is in the air.

Unless Ben has text messages or she slipped him a note it will be hard for him to prove she consented. Even if a person starts having sex if the girl says stop you have to stop.

She could be the town slut.. but with the past accusation this one makes it tough. That's why some are questioning his judgment. If she came to his house at 2 AM he is good or in a better place... but in a podunk bathroom?

fezziwig
03-10-2010, 01:48 PM
Maybe sexual manipulation means he boozed this girl all up that night and then pulled out his Willie and I don't mean Willie Colon.
Never know, maybe she wanted to do it, did do it and then was worried someone seen her so now, she's crying wolf.

I will be real surprised that no other girls do not come forward. They'll probably wait until they see if this chick gets the money. And I don't mean this as if Ben is guilty, I mean this as some girls might try their hand at the scam.

feltdizz
03-10-2010, 02:14 PM
Maybe sexual manipulation means he boozed this girl all up that night and then pulled out his Willie and I don't mean Willie Colon.
Never know, maybe she wanted to do it, did do it and then was worried someone seen her so now, she's crying wolf.

I will be real surprised that no other girls do not come forward. They'll probably wait until they see if this chick gets the money. And I don't mean this as if Ben is guilty, I mean this as some girls might try their hand at the scam.

interesting theory....if she was boozed up then it makes sense.

kindlecatsb'ng
03-10-2010, 05:10 PM
I've wondered all along how much influence this young woman's friends and/or sorority sisters had in this allegation.

Jom112
03-10-2010, 05:19 PM
Maybe sexual manipulation means he boozed this girl all up that night and then pulled out his Willie and I don't mean Willie Colon.
Never know, maybe she wanted to do it, did do it and then was worried someone seen her so now, she's crying wolf.

I will be real surprised that no other girls do not come forward. They'll probably wait until they see if this chick gets the money. And I don't mean this as if Ben is guilty, I mean this as some girls might try their hand at the scam.

interesting theory....if she was boozed up then it makes sense.

Lucky for you guys boozing up an under-aged girl is only a crime if Chris Henry does it...

fezziwig
03-10-2010, 05:29 PM
Don't know how true it is but I heard the girl quit college and I'm sure it was directed by her attorney. Besides the sex stuff you might have her attorney saying Ben forced or allowed an underage girl to drink. Ben has caused not only pain in suffering she had to quit school, ya da ya da ya da. I think they will throw so much for him to defend he will look guilty just from the stand point, " well he must have done some of these things ". ( in the publics eye ) I have a feeling Ben is going to feel the pain of this one for a long time.

Shawn
03-10-2010, 05:35 PM
Does anyone here really think Ben didn't "do her"? C'mon, Ben is a red blooded american male and he had this young thing hanging on him the entire night. We know he doesn't have the greatest taste in women (see McNutty) so it's really not a stretch that he scored.

That doesn't have anything to do whether he is guilty of sexual assault but the DNA tests will just confirm what most of us have already concluded. Sex occurred ... the question is whether it was consentual or not. I don't know Ben but I have a hard time believing he would be stupid enough to force himself on someone. He might not be the brightest bulb in the box but he couldn't be that dim ... could he?

While I don't think Ben forced himself on her...

I have seen guys who change when they are drunk and the smell of goodie goodie is in the air.

Unless Ben has text messages or she slipped him a note it will be hard for him to prove she consented. Even if a person starts having sex if the girl says stop you have to stop.

She could be the town slut.. but with the past accusation this one makes it tough. That's why some are questioning his judgment. If she came to his house at 2 AM he is good or in a better place... but in a podunk bathroom?

In this country...he doesn't have to prove she consented. The prosecutor has to prove she didn't (ie witnesses, scratches, bruises, vaginal/rectal lacerations etc). It's the difference in living in a country where you are innocent until proven guilty rather than the opposite.

kindlecatsb'ng
03-10-2010, 05:38 PM
Ben Roethlisberger's accuser may have dropped out of school, but her sorority

is closing ranks. TMZ has learned the group's leaders issued sorority-wide marching orders ... including a mass Facebook takedown.

Sources at Georgia College & State University -- where the accuser was enrolled before the alleged incident -- tell us the accuser's sorority sisters have been ordered to take down each of their Facebook and Twitter accounts and refrain from wearing any clothing with the sorority letters until further notice.

We're told three members of the sorority's national office visited the campus sorority house to check in on the situation and may return later this week.

We called the sorority for an official comment -- so far, radio silence.



Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/10/ben-roeth ... z0hoPJodWF (http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/10/ben-roethlisberger-sorority-investigation-accuser-georgia-college-facebook/#ixzz0hoPJodWF)

Shawn
03-10-2010, 05:43 PM
No, I don't believe that he forced her to do anything. That is why I find this whole "sexual manipulation" thing to be interesting.

Sexual manipulation is just like it sounds. It's using sexuality, promises of sexual favors or sexual attention to control a person and their actions. For instance...young girl offers to do anything for the prof to change a grade. I don't know too many women who do not use this "tool" to an extent. I know if I'm being "ignorant" with my wife...I'm not getting any. She purposefully controls some of my behavior with sex.

I would also imagine it could mean the opposite...ie prof says to young co-ed I can help your grade if you wanna play.

BATMAN
03-10-2010, 09:00 PM
I've already received two different tex mesages about Ben. One is a number 7 Steeler jersey with the name, Rapistberger.


The other is Bens face, a chick laying on the floor and the song playing from American Idol (Pants on the Ground )


This thing is going to get bigger than we can imagine.

feltdizz
03-10-2010, 09:45 PM
Does anyone here really think Ben didn't "do her"? C'mon, Ben is a red blooded american male and he had this young thing hanging on him the entire night. We know he doesn't have the greatest taste in women (see McNutty) so it's really not a stretch that he scored.

That doesn't have anything to do whether he is guilty of sexual assault but the DNA tests will just confirm what most of us have already concluded. Sex occurred ... the question is whether it was consentual or not. I don't know Ben but I have a hard time believing he would be stupid enough to force himself on someone. He might not be the brightest bulb in the box but he couldn't be that dim ... could he?

While I don't think Ben forced himself on her...

I have seen guys who change when they are drunk and the smell of goodie goodie is in the air.

Unless Ben has text messages or she slipped him a note it will be hard for him to prove she consented. Even if a person starts having sex if the girl says stop you have to stop.

She could be the town slut.. but with the past accusation this one makes it tough. That's why some are questioning his judgment. If she came to his house at 2 AM he is good or in a better place... but in a podunk bathroom?

In this country...he doesn't have to prove she consented. The prosecutor has to prove she didn't (ie witnesses, scratches, bruises, vaginal/rectal lacerations etc). It's the difference in living in a country where you are innocent until proven guilty rather than the opposite.

does falling and hitting her head count?

aggiebones
03-11-2010, 01:47 PM
Ben said no intercourse, so if there's anything of his left up her vagina, then that's a real bad thing.

The question that should be asked is, "Was your pecker out of its pants at all that night with her in the room?"

If the answer is no, then we don't have as much to worry about.

Did she sit on his thumb by accident? What else could be bad? enough to worry about?