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rpmpit
03-09-2010, 10:22 PM
In his HOF induction speech, Mean Joe said The Chief gave our organization the class and dignity that it possesses. So my question is, would he have tolerated all this garbage from Ben, Santonio or even Harrison's assault charges a few years back. Sure we got rid of Ced after he punched his girl a few too many times, but he was on his way out anyway.

So what do you guys think? Would The Chief have put up with this crap or dumped these guys?

Shawn
03-09-2010, 10:34 PM
Even with all the Cheifs ideals he wouldn't have been ignorant enough to drop his franchise QB over some "bad judgement". Unless there is something substantial he would have stayed. Now with Holmes? Ehh...I mean how many chances do you give the guy? I'm torn on the issue. We need him but I'm not sure he will ever get it. With at least a 4 game suspension coming his way...the Steelers might make an example of him. I think the Cheif would have. I know he wouldn't have tolerated Reed's nonsense.

fezziwig
03-09-2010, 10:48 PM
Even with all the Cheifs ideals he wouldn't have been ignorant enough to drop his franchise QB over some "bad judgement". Unless there is something substantial he would have stayed. Now with Holmes? Ehh...I mean how many chances do you give the guy? I'm torn on the issue. We need him but I'm not sure he will ever get it. With at least a 4 game suspension coming his way...the Steelers might make an example of him. I think the Cheif would have. I know he wouldn't have tolerated Reed's nonsense.



perfectly said

snarky
03-09-2010, 10:52 PM
To paraphrase Snickers ad "Who is the Cheif?"

Sorry -- couldn't resist.


EDIT: I had to fix this. lol. I couldn't even tell the joke right.

D Rock
03-09-2010, 11:09 PM
Even with all the Cheifs ideals he wouldn't have been ignorant enough to drop his franchise QB over some "bad judgement". Unless there is something substantial he would have stayed. Now with Holmes? Ehh...I mean how many chances do you give the guy? I'm torn on the issue. We need him but I'm not sure he will ever get it. With at least a 4 game suspension coming his way...the Steelers might make an example of him. I think the Cheif would have. I know he wouldn't have tolerated Reed's nonsense.


Is that Holmes with a suspension coming? Did I miss something significant?

Shawn
03-10-2010, 12:04 AM
Even with all the Cheifs ideals he wouldn't have been ignorant enough to drop his franchise QB over some "bad judgement". Unless there is something substantial he would have stayed. Now with Holmes? Ehh...I mean how many chances do you give the guy? I'm torn on the issue. We need him but I'm not sure he will ever get it. With at least a 4 game suspension coming his way...the Steelers might make an example of him. I think the Cheif would have. I know he wouldn't have tolerated Reed's nonsense.


Is that Holmes with a suspension coming? Did I miss something significant?

Yeah failed another drug test. Minimum 4 game suspension.

Discipline of Steel
03-10-2010, 12:06 AM
Rumor has it from a fourth hand source, that Holmes failed another drug test and has a 4 week suspension coming. The confirmation may be out there in the internet somewhere but i have not run across it yet. Its good to be up to the minute on the newest information but I think we have rushed to judgement on this board in this case.

If Bam Morris is any example, and if it turns out to be true, Holmes will be packing his bags. I think the Chief set a high standard for personal conduct, and Noll Cowher and Tomlin have followed his lead.

hawaiiansteel
03-10-2010, 12:11 AM
Even with all the Cheifs ideals he wouldn't have been ignorant enough to drop his franchise QB over some "bad judgement". Unless there is something substantial he would have stayed. Now with Holmes? Ehh...I mean how many chances do you give the guy? I'm torn on the issue. We need him but I'm not sure he will ever get it. With at least a 4 game suspension coming his way...the Steelers might make an example of him. I think the Cheif would have. I know he wouldn't have tolerated Reed's nonsense.


Is that Holmes with a suspension coming? Did I miss something significant?

Yeah failed another drug test. Minimum 4 game suspension.



allegedly, but i don't believe it. Santonio has come a long way in his life, i think this is just an unfounded rumor.



Santonio Holmes reveals his drug-dealing past

Santonio Holmes arrived in Tampa for the Super Bowl still hiding a secret that he had shared with only a few people. But now the Pittsburgh Steelers' receiver is letting the world know he once was a drug dealer as a teenager.

"I've only told three or four people maybe throughout my lifetime about that, and at the moment I felt like it was time to share things," Holmes told reporters at the Super Bowl.

Holmes told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review he opened up about his past now, to show how far he has come. "If I continued down that path, I wouldn't be here," Holmes said.

Holmes said he sold drugs in the small, impoverished Florida town of Belle Glade. He wouldn't specify what type of drugs he sold. His admission -- made first to the Miami Herald -- also reopened discussion of his misdemeanor charge last year for possession of marijuana. He was pulled over by police and admitted that marijuana cigarettes found in his vehicle were his.

"I've never failed a drug test in my life, so I wasn't too concerned," said Holmes, was deactivated one game as a result. "Most of the guys were frustrated at the fact I didn't play, but they all understand and respect the decision Coach Tomlin made. I deserved it."

Holmes' admission also led Steelers' receiver Nate Washington to admit he also was tempted to sell drugs while growing up in Toledo, Ohio.

"You see your mom struggle and cry because lights are being turned off and gas isn't working anymore, you've got to do what you've got to do," Washington told the Tribune-Review.

Added Pittsburgh tackle Willie Colon, who grew up in the Bronx: "I don't think it's right to sell drugs at all . . . At the same time, when you look around and your brother's hungry and you've got holes in your shoes and your mother's working four or five jobs? You're going to do something."

SteelerNation1
03-10-2010, 12:13 AM
I hope its not true about Holmes, but I would've never posted it if I didn't trust the source.

hawaiiansteel
03-10-2010, 12:16 AM
I hope its not true about Holmes, but I would've never posted it if I didn't trust the source.



i really like Santonio Holmes a lot, hope your source is wrong.

i have all of Santonio's rookie cards, would hate to see them go down in value... :cry:

SteelerNation1
03-10-2010, 12:17 AM
I hope its not true about Holmes, but I would've never posted it if I didn't trust the source.



i really like Santonio Holmes a lot, hope your source is wrong.

i have all of Santonio's rookie cards, would hate to see them go down in value... :cry:
I have two Holmes jerseys. I'm hoping like hell he's mistaken, but I don't think that's the case.

Shawn
03-10-2010, 12:23 AM
Yeah...I'm hoping for the best.

sd steel
03-10-2010, 12:37 AM
I would like to believe that the Art Rooney Sr. would have kept the franchise clean of players that don't live up to a certain moral standard, but truth be told, Lynn Swann was in trouble in college before they drafted him, Ernie Arrowhead Holmes had run ins with the police, and rumor has it , was put in an asylum during the week, and let out for games, and Lambert was known to be a bad a$$ off the field as well as on. And although steroids were not illegal at the time, many players were using them and probably other drugs as well, most notably Joe Gilliam.

The difference is the media coverage nowadays. Most local sports writers would never write bad publicity articles about the teams they covered, because they would get blackballed, and they were the only people covering the local teams. Now sports have grown into multibillion dollar entertainment machines, and they are covered as entertainment, human interest, financial as well as local sports news.

We would alll like to think that the Ronneys held their players to a higher moral standard, but in reality Art Sr. was a gambler, and he loved his players, and there wasn't alot of media coverage when players broke the law. So I am not sure how these things would have been handled back in the day, but at the same time you probably wouldn't know about them either because they werent made public.

flippy
03-10-2010, 02:50 AM
We've had some of the craziest of crazies back in the day....Ernie Holmes, Gene Lipscombe, Bobby Layne, etc.

Alcohol and drugs have been around the NFL forever, we just hear more stories given the modern media.

We're not making examples out of star players. But every once in a while we'll cut a Cedrick Wilson to create the appearance of ethics.

I think the class has to do with the way the Steelers ownership cares about the integrity of the game and business as highly as they do the players and making money.

We've had problem players and taken chances on guys. We do tend to shy away from problem players in general, but we also show loyalty to our guys once we have them.

SteelAbility
03-10-2010, 12:35 PM
By any chance, was Santonio accused of smoking weed by an under-age girl at a bar? :P

Dee Dub
03-10-2010, 12:45 PM
I hope its not true about Holmes, but I would've never posted it if I didn't trust the source.

Can you at least tell us if this source is a friend of Santonio, from the media, or works within the Steelers organization?