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flippy
03-08-2010, 01:06 PM
NFL players risk their health and well being to play every week for our entertainment.

These guys endure pain that we couldn't fathom. And as a result many become drug addicts and alcoholics to cope.

Drugs and alcohol are dangerous to our health and stability. Addiction is a disease that leads to many bad results.

And in a sense, the young athletes in the NFL could be viewed like children in bad homes. Messing up is their most likely outcome.

The broken system is the real culprit to many of the problems we see with young men like Big Ben.

This whole thing is a shame for Ben and the entire NFL.

I suspect one day people will look back at the NFL like gladiators in the Roman Collesium. It's a barbaric sport.

Why do we as fans expect the players to be more than barbarians?

If a guy is more, then he is the exception.

But the majority of negative outcomes are really to be expected.

Slapstick
03-08-2010, 01:16 PM
Huh.

I'm still waiting to hear that Ben has actually done anything wrong.

Apparently, Ben's lawyer will have to draft some kind of release form that he passes out to fans or groupies who want to hang out with him....

RussBII
03-08-2010, 01:21 PM
Huh.

I'm still waiting to hear that Ben has actually done anything wrong.

Apparently, Ben's lawyer will have to draft some kind of release form that he passes out to fans or groupies who want to hang out with him....

Just don't go out to bars. One of my old bosses used to have a saying "nothing good happens at a bar after midnight." It's scary how true it is sometimes.

The man has a ton of money, host parties. Go to private clubs, etc. Hell, call Tiger get in touch with whoever lined up his skanks.

It's like Santonio and the pot bust. If you want to smoke pot, do it at home, with folks you trust... not in a car out on the streets.

drprwnap
03-08-2010, 01:27 PM
:wft

From all the accounts I've read, Ben was not durnk. One artilce said he was "nursing a beer". Where is this coming from?? I bet Ben's fame has as much to do with this situation as alcohol did.

Slapstick
03-08-2010, 01:27 PM
I guess that I don't understand why any celebrity is held responsible for the things that people do to them in the pursuit of money.

If someone like Ben wants to go out to a club, they should be able to go out to a club like everybody else, without the fear of being a target.

I'm sure that Roethisberger was willing to deal with the consequences, which is why he had bodyguards with him. But, I don't blame him for this.

Blaming him is akin to blaming the victim in a car accident because they were hit by a drunk driver. The victim shouldn't have been out on the road?

RussBII
03-08-2010, 01:34 PM
I guess that I don't understand why any celebrity is held responsible for the things that people do to them in the pursuit of money.

If someone like Ben wants to go out to a club, they should be able to go out to a club like everybody else, without the fear of being a target.

It's called the "price of fame."

I don't agree with it, but it's human nature to be attracted to famous folks. A lot of people can't handle themselves in that situation, add in some booze...

And it's not like Ben shouldn't be aware of the "gold digging" phenomena by now...

Jom112
03-08-2010, 02:22 PM
Maybe instead of going to the bars Ben should just use Match.com from now on:

Me: Big, talented, multi-millionaire NFL starting QB

You: Young, hot, slutty girl with TV repair skills

hawaiiansteel
03-08-2010, 03:15 PM
Maybe instead of going to the bars Ben should just use Match.com from now on:

Me: Big, talented, multi-millionaire NFL starting QB

You: Young, hot, slutty girl with TV repair skills



that's funny Jom! :Cheers

the TV repair skills are optionable, the others are prerequisites for the position :lol:

Jigawatts
03-08-2010, 03:37 PM
Maybe instead of going to the bars Ben should just use Match.com from now on:

Me: Big, talented, multi-millionaire NFL starting QB

You: Young, hot, slutty girl with TV repair skills

I'm guessing Ben is more of an adultfriendfinder.com kind of person rather than a
match.com kind of person. :?

cruzer8
03-08-2010, 03:40 PM
I guess that I don't understand why any celebrity is held responsible for the things that people do to them in the pursuit of money.

If someone like Ben wants to go out to a club, they should be able to go out to a club like everybody else, without the fear of being a target.

I'm sure that Roethisberger was willing to deal with the consequences, which is why he had bodyguards with him. But, I don't blame him for this.

Blaming him is akin to blaming the victim in a car accident because they were hit by a drunk driver. The victim shouldn't have been out on the road?

People keep moving the goal posts. After McNutty they said he should have people around him.

Now he has people around him, something happens and they say he shouldn't go out at all.

Ben is only supposed to leave his home for football related business.

JTP53609
03-08-2010, 03:44 PM
why cant ben go out in public like everyone else and stay out until 2 in the morning.....

well first, ben is not like everyone else, he is the face of the most succesful franchise in football, so with that comes smart decision making...I am a friggin P.E. teacher and a high school baseball coach, I do not put myself in positions where I can get in trouble or make me look bad because of my job, so why can't he. I understand if he likes going to bars to meet and greet people at the bar, but he has his own section, so why not go to someones house and do this, recruit woman and bring them to your house if you want, my old college gf told me her best friend was asked by big bens bodyguard if she would like to go to his house, well the skank did, got railed and the limo took her home...

I wonder where heath miller, polamalu or aaron smith were, arent they gladiators too just like the original post said, I dont buy into the fact that these guys go through injuries and pain like nobody else and with that comes alcohol and drugs, there are plenty of drunks who get high that are not football players, they just have problems, football players that are alcoholics and drug addicts also have problems, they know they are a celebrity and can do what they want. DUI, ehh your a steeler so we will give a slap on the wrist, DUI, your a contractor well than your screwed.

eniparadoxgma
03-08-2010, 05:12 PM
The broken system is the real culprit to many of the problems we see with young men like Big Ben.



Can't ride that wagon with ya, flippy. Any specific individual can overcome whatever "broken system" they are born into or are a part of IMO. All it takes is balls, brains, and willpower.

It seems to me you're basically saying that this whole thing we call "sports" or football is to blame for the actions of particular individuals. No offense, but that's just pathetic.

Is it alright for someone that grows up in the projects to become a crack dealer? Is it alright for someone that grows up in the suburbs to become a crack dealer? How about if they grow up the child of millionaires?

It might be easier to understand how someone that grew up in the projects could become a crack dealer but it doesn't excuse it.

Don't blame sports for the problems of particular individuals. They may perform in the current cultural equivalent of gladiatorial combat but they sure as hell aren't being forced to. If life is that hard as a sports star that you have to become an alcoholic, addict, or sexual predator or something to cope than the right thing to do would probably be to quit and seek help, no?

Then again, perhaps I'm missing your point here.

eniparadoxgma
03-08-2010, 05:17 PM
Looking over the original post again I'm still undeterred from disagreeing with it.

I don't excuse anyone, regardless of what career they are in or life they lead, for senseless wrongdoing. Whether they be sports stars, doctors, lawyers, students, or ACTUAL soldiers I won't excuse them from wrongdoing because of what they go through or have been through unless they have no choice in the matter.

flippy
03-08-2010, 09:29 PM
The broken system is the real culprit to many of the problems we see with young men like Big Ben.



Can't ride that wagon with ya, flippy. Any specific individual can overcome whatever "broken system" they are born into or are a part of IMO. All it takes is balls, brains, and willpower.

It seems to me you're basically saying that this whole thing we call "sports" or football is to blame for the actions of particular individuals. No offense, but that's just pathetic.

Is it alright for someone that grows up in the projects to become a crack dealer? Is it alright for someone that grows up in the suburbs to become a crack dealer? How about if they grow up the child of millionaires?

It might be easier to understand how someone that grew up in the projects could become a crack dealer but it doesn't excuse it.

Don't blame sports for the problems of particular individuals. They may perform in the current cultural equivalent of gladiatorial combat but they sure as hell aren't being forced to. If life is that hard as a sports star that you have to become an alcoholic, addict, or sexual predator or something to cope than the right thing to do would probably be to quit and seek help, no?

Then again, perhaps I'm missing your point here.

I was thinking along the lines of these players choose football which is violent. So they are also probably more likely to make other choices that include violence.

But we have expectations for these guys to be wholesome and make smart decisions in their lives outside of football.

Maybe we should expect less.

I'm not looking to blame anyone or anything.

feltdizz
03-08-2010, 09:50 PM
Now that makes sense flippy. I don't expect football players to be model citizens or scholars off the field. A lot of times fans think players are successful at life because they are successful at a sport.

Shawn
03-09-2010, 08:08 PM
I wonder though...does the NFL really have any more problems statistically than the rest of the US population? I would love to have the number of NFL players to roll through in the last 15 years and the amount of DUIs, drug violations etc and compare that to US stats.

hawaiiansteel
03-09-2010, 08:13 PM
I wonder though...does the NFL really have any more problems statistically than the rest of the US population? I would love to have the number of NFL players to roll through in the last 15 years and the amount of DUIs, drug violations etc and compare that to US stats.



my guess is yes...

RuthlessBurgher
03-09-2010, 08:35 PM
why cant ben go out in public like everyone else and stay out until 2 in the morning.....

well first, ben is not like everyone else, he is the face of the most succesful franchise in football, so with that comes smart decision making...I am a friggin P.E. teacher and a high school baseball coach, I do not put myself in positions where I can get in trouble or make me look bad because of my job, so why can't he. I understand if he likes going to bars to meet and greet people at the bar, but he has his own section, so why not go to someones house and do this, recruit woman and bring them to your house if you want, my old college gf told me her best friend was asked by big bens bodyguard if she would like to go to his house, well the skank did, got railed and the limo took her home...

I wonder where heath miller, polamalu or aaron smith were, arent they gladiators too just like the original post said, I dont buy into the fact that these guys go through injuries and pain like nobody else and with that comes alcohol and drugs, there are plenty of drunks who get high that are not football players, they just have problems, football players that are alcoholics and drug addicts also have problems, they know they are a celebrity and can do what they want. DUI, ehh your a steeler so we will give a slap on the wrist, DUI, your a contractor well than your screwed.

They were probably home with their wives (hopefully learned their lesson from Tiger)...

Perhaps it is about time for Roethlisberger to retire childish frat boy Ben and consider journeying down the path of grown-up family man Ben.

When the single Jeff Reed was getting himself in trouble, he had the single Matt Spaeth with him, not the married Heath Miller.

When the single Ben Roethlisberger was getting himself in trouble, he had the single Willie Colon with him, not the married Max Starks.

feltdizz
03-09-2010, 09:57 PM
why cant ben go out in public like everyone else and stay out until 2 in the morning.....

well first, ben is not like everyone else, he is the face of the most succesful franchise in football, so with that comes smart decision making...I am a friggin P.E. teacher and a high school baseball coach, I do not put myself in positions where I can get in trouble or make me look bad because of my job, so why can't he. I understand if he likes going to bars to meet and greet people at the bar, but he has his own section, so why not go to someones house and do this, recruit woman and bring them to your house if you want, my old college gf told me her best friend was asked by big bens bodyguard if she would like to go to his house, well the skank did, got railed and the limo took her home...

I wonder where heath miller, polamalu or aaron smith were, arent they gladiators too just like the original post said, I dont buy into the fact that these guys go through injuries and pain like nobody else and with that comes alcohol and drugs, there are plenty of drunks who get high that are not football players, they just have problems, football players that are alcoholics and drug addicts also have problems, they know they are a celebrity and can do what they want. DUI, ehh your a steeler so we will give a slap on the wrist, DUI, your a contractor well than your screwed.

They were probably home with their wives (hopefully learned their lesson from Tiger)...

Perhaps it is about time for Roethlisberger to retire childish frat boy Ben and consider journeying down the path of grown-up family man Ben.

When the single Jeff Reed was getting himself in trouble, he had the single Matt Spaeth with him, not the married Heath Miller.

When the single Ben Roethlisberger was getting himself in trouble, he had the single Willie Colon with him, not the married Max Starks.

Married 2 years... I tried hanging out with my single friends when they came in town. We had a blast but it felt great(and a little scary due to the sun coming up) that I had someone to come home to while they were doing the late night scramble gamble.

My older brother is single and still trying to mack. He said it hit him like a brick one night when he was at the club and much older than everyone else...times running out!!! He has a great sense of humor and the story about being stood up by some young chick who used him was hilarious.