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Jooser
03-06-2010, 01:51 PM
Dude's such a hater. He needs to report the whole story. While he quotes some chick saying Ben was a jerk, he neglects to include the other stories that say that Ben was being great to everyone. Further, even if he snapped at someone over a picture, what does it have to do with these current allegations? Now, Ben's a turd and Florio won't stop there. According to him, the entire Steeler Nation is just a bunch of blind idiots who are looking the other way. I swear, the dude must hate football altogether the way he smears people associated in any way with it. This article is crap, and he's stirring it with a big 'ol Sh!tstick!

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... lisberger/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/06/its-getting-harder-to-keep-an-open-mind-about-roethlisberger/)


It's getting harder to keep an open mind about Roethlisberger

Posted by Mike Florio on March 6, 2010 11:56 AM ET

We realize that the American justice system compels a presumption of innocence. The American public, however, has no such mandate; we can come to our own opinions and conclusions about anything we choose, as ridiculous as those opinions and conclusions may be.

And so on one hand we respect the judicial mindset that prefers setting ten guilty men free to incarcerating a single innocent. On the other hand, we realize that the court of public opinion is close to rendering judgment about Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger.

At a minimum, he's a damn fool for allowing himself to be placed in a circumstance that could lead to the making of false charges, especially in light of his other pending legal predicament in Nevada. At worst, he has the same "entitlement" mentality that supposedly prompted a certain Tiger's tomcat streak.

The possible difference, of course, is that Eldrick Woods always respected the concept of consent.

It still remains to be seen whether Roethlisberger will be charged in Georgia, where perhaps appropriately he wore a shirt bearing the image of a horned devil (via TMZ). Regardless, the question of whether Roethlisberger is a good guy or a bad guy churns through the national consciousness, and the signs are pointing toward an eventual verdict of "turd."

Consider this quote from Ashley Madden, a Georgia College & State University student who witnessed Roethlisberger act like a jerk when someone tried to take his picture on the night that the lights allegedly went out in Milledgeville. "[H]e snapped at her," Madden told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, "saying, 'Don't take a picture unless I'm ready."

We're heard chatter of Roethlisberger directing that same attitude toward persons in various contexts, and people of goodwill and pure heart simply don't treat others that way.

So while he might never face criminal jeopardy for sexual assault or anything else, Roethlisberger's reputation is dangerously close to imploding in every city but one. If he ever loses the people in Pittsburgh who have come to blindly adore him, it might be time to call it quits and settle down in a small town in a state, other than Georgia.

cruzer8
03-06-2010, 01:58 PM
I will dance a jig the day someone goes after Florio for slander.

flippy
03-06-2010, 02:04 PM
What if Ben is guilty?

cruzer8
03-06-2010, 02:05 PM
What if Ben is guilty?

What if he isn't?

Mister Pittsburgh
03-06-2010, 02:21 PM
That is a pretty ridiculous article when there are plent of other people that saw him that night saying what a great guy he was when he stopped in their establishments. Instead of taking quotes from businessmen, he chooses to quote a college girl. That, is also very 'turd-like'.

Only sentiment I agree with from that piece is that Ben's image is tarnished, and if this incident ends up proving he did do something wrong, it could be too much to overcome.

Lets hope this is all just some drunk chick and her friends looking to cash in and there is some sort of proof that they are full of crap.

steelblood
03-06-2010, 02:35 PM
He is a self-righteous jerk. He definitely has an axe to grind with the Rooneys and Ben. He relishes their shortcomings like a Browns' fan would.

hawaiiansteel
03-06-2010, 02:53 PM
Roethlisberger accused of sexual assault again

Alleged incident happened at Ga. nightclub; QB faced rape claim in ’08


MILLEDGEVILLE, Ga. - A jovial night of bar-hopping in a central Georgia college town ended in a new allegation against Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger after a 20-year-old college student told police he sexually assaulted her in a nightclub.

The two-time Super Bowl winner already faces a lawsuit from a woman who claims he raped her in 2008 at a Lake Tahoe hotel and casino, an allegation he strongly denies.

The latest accusation came early Friday in downtown Milledgeville, about 85 miles southeast of Atlanta and about 30 miles south of the lake home the player owns.

Roethlisberger, who turned 28 on Tuesday, and two or three friends went to Buffington’s bar earlier Thursday night to watch the University of Pittsburgh men’s college basketball game, said Paul Kurcikevicus, a 24-year-old college student.

He said the group was friendly, at first joking that Roethlisberger was not the NFL player. Kurcikevicus said Roethlisberger bought shots for him and some other people in the bar: “O-Bombs,” a mixture of energy drink and flavored rum.

The student said Roethlisberger got excited at the end of the game, when a Pitt player hit a 3-point shot at the buzzer to win 73-71 and avoid an upset by Providence.

The group later went to The Brick restaurant nearby, owner Frank Pendergrast said.

“He was very polite with everybody,” Pendergrast said. “He was down here from about 11:30 until about 1:30 having a good time, talking to a lot of people. Looked like he was signing autographs and letting people take pictures. Other than that, it was really uneventful.”

Roethlisberger was later seen at Capital City, a popular nightclub for students at Georgia College & State University in Milledgeville. The club was bustling Friday night, with a country band playing and a $20 cover charge.

One patron, 21-year-old college student Brandon Harris, said he saw Roethlisberger come in the night before with two or three big men, who were keeping other club goers away from the player. Harris said the group went into a curtained VIP area in the back of the club, and some women were let inside.

What happened next is under investigation.

Deputy Police Chief Richard Malone said Roethlisberger had been with three other people who were mingling with another group that included the alleged victim. Malone said the woman and her party contacted a nearby police officer following the alleged assault.

“He’s been identified as being at the scene and there are allegations naming him as the perpetrator,” Malone said.

Several areas of the nightclub were considered a crime scene, Malone said, but he would not elaborate. The nature of the assault was not described, but Malone did say it was being termed a sexual assault, not a rape.

Roethlisberger and the alleged victim were interviewed and the woman was taken to a hospital, where she was treated and released, Malone said.

The woman was not identified by police and The Associated Press does not generally identify possible victims of sexual abuse.

Police said Roethlisberger and his attorney were cooperating with investigators. He was not in custody and has not been charged with a crime.

The player’s agent, Ryan Tollner, said in a statement they are skeptical of the motive of the alleged victim in Milledgeville because of the previous Lake Tahoe allegations.

“Last night, Ben and his friends met a group of women and everyone mingled together throughout the evening,” the agent’s statement said. “We have spoken to law enforcement. Based on information currently available, an allegation was made against Ben, which appeared to be dismissed after a preliminary investigation last night. Obviously, given the prior accusation against Ben, we are skeptical of motive, but we will continue to cooperate with everyone involved.”

Steelers spokesman Dave Lockett said the team was gathering information and had no more comment.

As Pittsburgh’s first-round draft pick out of Miami of Ohio in 2004, Roethlisberger led the Steelers to Super Bowl victories in 2006 and 2009. But he has had his share of problems off the field.

His previous accuser was working as a VIP hostess at Harrah’s Lake Tahoe in July 2008 when she alleges Roethlisberger lured her to his room under false pretenses and forced himself on her. He was in town playing in a celebrity golf tournament.

Roethlisberger maintains the woman acted voluntarily at all times while in his room. His lawyers have said the fact that she never filed a formal criminal complaint with police is proof she made up the story to try to secure a big payout from the NFL star.

Her lawsuit seeks at least $440,000 from Roethlisberger and at least $50,000 from Harrah’s claiming they conspired to cover up the incident.

Mister Pittsburgh
03-06-2010, 03:12 PM
I can't wait to hear what allegedly took place. Were they making out and he touched her boobie? Did he grab her butt? If it wasn't rape, but was sexual assault, then what need would there be to go to the hospital? This whole thing seems retarded.

They need to release what supposedly took place as the media and regular people have already pretty much prosecuted him like he put on a ski mask and held a knife to her throat and raped her.

JAR
03-06-2010, 03:38 PM
PFT, TMZ, and the rest of the paparazzi need to be shut down, all they do is ruin peoples lives, sometimes even killing them.

hawaiiansteel
03-06-2010, 03:40 PM
Here We Go Again

By Harvey “Mr. Steeler” Aronson


I’m absolutely sure the ENTIRE Steelers Nation has heard the news by now. You haven’t? Well if you awoke this morning unaware of the latest news on Big Ben Roethlisberger, Big Ben pulled a BIG no-no early Friday morning. Once again, a young woman is accusing Roethlisberger of sexually assaulting her. While in the past, I’ve tried to refrain from reporting on non-football stories, this one can’t be passed by. Unlike last year’s accusations from a Las Vegas woman that stemmed from what she said was an assault when Big Ben was playing in a golf tournament from a year before, also not having ever gone to the police or filing charges, this time around, the woman in Georgia who claims assault did in fact go to the police. YOI!

Folks…this is not good. Now it’s time for me to get opinionated and go into my view of this situation. First and most importantly, what was Ben thinking?. With the previous allegations still very much hanging over his head, he should have been smarter about how he lives his social life. I have no problem with Roethlisberger and friends going to a bar or a club but stay in a group. If there was in fact a sexual assault, then shame on Roethlisberger and he’ll get what he deserves. However, if these latest charges ring false, then he could have avoided the situation entirely by just not letting himself be alone in public with any woman. Perhaps privately as well unless he knows the woman well. With that given, not only has he possibly hurt himself, if the gets brought down on charges he has hurt his ENTIRE team. Our offense is nothing without Ben Roethlisberger. Worse, if he does end up in court and is proven guilty, not only will he face jail time but rest assured iron-fisted Roger Goodell will suspend for at a minimum of one season.

So I know all you Big Ben fans out there are saying “innocent until proven guilty.” Yes, that is absolutely true. But with a police report in hand, it simply does not look good. Regardless, this latest fiasco will make some Steeler faithful wonder. I am guilty of that. In the past, there has been mumblings of how Ben Roethlisberger is not the greatest teammate and not liked by some in the locker room. Now you have to wonder if he walks around thinking he is the BMOC (Big Man on Campus). Does he think his stuff doesn’t stink? Does he believe he is above the law? The off-season, off-the-field incidents now number three. First the bad motorcycle accident. Then last year’s sexual assault allegations. Now again more sexual assault charges. Does Ben have a problem with women? What gives here? You would think Plaxico Burress taught the men of the NFL a valuable lesson about how to act in public. Not that Roethlisberger was carrying around a gun, but unlike Burress who hurt himself, Ben is being accused of hurting others. I’m sorry, but for me, I’ve lost a ton of respect for Ben Roethlisberger in the last 24 hours. I love what Ben does on the field. I would not want any other quarterback leading my team on the field. But I also respect a man who gives back to the community and acts like a real man. Hey Ben…check out Hines Ward’s act. Grow up already Ben. In the process, take Jeff Reed with you in your maturation stage.

So what exactly happened the other night? Here’s the official story as released by the police:

The alleged victim is 20.
The incident took place in Milledgeville, Georgia close to 100 miles south of Atlanta.
Big Ben was with about three friends who went out to a bar called “Buffington’s” to watch Pitt basketball.
Ben started buying patrons drinks and later moved over to “The Brick” restaurant and bar.
At The Brick, Roethlisberger reportedly signed autographs, took photos, and hung until about 1:30 a.m. Friday.
Big Ben ended up at a place called “Capital City.” It is a local hangout for students of Georgia College & State University.
Reportedly, Roethlisberger and up to three other men entered a VIP area in the rear of the club and several women followed them in. This is where the story gets muddied. This is also the point where the investigation begins.
According to Deputy Police Chief Richard Malone, the chief says that Big Ben was accompanied by three others and were with a group that included the alleged victim. Whatever took place next may for the moment be known only by Roethlisberger and the young woman.
Whatever took place in that VIP area the young lady and her friends contacted a police officer that was near the club and he took her statement and instructed her to go to the hospital which she did and was treated and released.
Roethlisberger did cooperate with the police and at this time no charges have been filed.

From Ben’s agent Ryan Tollner comes the following statement:
“Last night, Ben and his friends met a group of women and everyone mingled together throughout the evening. We have spoken to law enforcement. Based on information currently available, an allegation was made against Ben, which appeared to be dismissed after a preliminary investigation last night. Obviously, given the prior accusation against Ben, we are skeptical of motive, but we will continue to cooperate with everyone involved.”

As for the Steelers front office, the team’s official site makes no mention of the incident and team spokesman Dave Lockett is doing their own investigation and has no comment.

SteelAbility
03-06-2010, 04:16 PM
Here We Go Again

By Harvey “Mr. Steeler” Aronson


I’m absolutely sure the ENTIRE Steelers Nation has heard the news by now. You haven’t? Well if you awoke this morning unaware of the latest news on Big Ben Roethlisberger, Big Ben pulled a BIG no-no early Friday morning. Once again, a young woman is accusing Roethlisberger of sexually assaulting her. While in the past, I’ve tried to refrain from reporting on non-football stories, this one can’t be passed by. Unlike last year’s accusations from a Las Vegas woman that stemmed from what she said was an assault when Big Ben was playing in a golf tournament from a year before, also not having ever gone to the police or filing charges, this time around, the woman in Georgia who claims assault did in fact go to the police. YOI!

Folks…this is not good. Now it’s time for me to get opinionated and go into my view of this situation. First and most importantly, what was Ben thinking?. With the previous allegations still very much hanging over his head, he should have been smarter about how he lives his social life. I have no problem with Roethlisberger and friends going to a bar or a club but stay in a group. If there was in fact a sexual assault, then shame on Roethlisberger and he’ll get what he deserves. However, if these latest charges ring false, then he could have avoided the situation entirely by just not letting himself be alone in public with any woman. Perhaps privately as well unless he knows the woman well. With that given, not only has he possibly hurt himself, if the gets brought down on charges he has hurt his ENTIRE team. Our offense is nothing without Ben Roethlisberger. Worse, if he does end up in court and is proven guilty, not only will he face jail time but rest assured iron-fisted Roger Goodell will suspend for at a minimum of one season.

So I know all you Big Ben fans out there are saying “innocent until proven guilty.” Yes, that is absolutely true. But with a police report in hand, it simply does not look good. Regardless, this latest fiasco will make some Steeler faithful wonder. I am guilty of that. In the past, there has been mumblings of how Ben Roethlisberger is not the greatest teammate and not liked by some in the locker room. Now you have to wonder if he walks around thinking he is the BMOC (Big Man on Campus). Does he think his stuff doesn’t stink? Does he believe he is above the law? The off-season, off-the-field incidents now number three. First the bad motorcycle accident. Then last year’s sexual assault allegations. Now again more sexual assault charges. Does Ben have a problem with women? What gives here? You would think Plaxico Burress taught the men of the NFL a valuable lesson about how to act in public. Not that Roethlisberger was carrying around a gun, but unlike Burress who hurt himself, Ben is being accused of hurting others. I’m sorry, but for me, I’ve lost a ton of respect for Ben Roethlisberger in the last 24 hours. I love what Ben does on the field. I would not want any other quarterback leading my team on the field. But I also respect a man who gives back to the community and acts like a real man. Hey Ben…check out Hines Ward’s act. Grow up already Ben. In the process, take Jeff Reed with you in your maturation stage.

So what exactly happened the other night? Here’s the official story as released by the police:

The alleged victim is 20.
The incident took place in Milledgeville, Georgia close to 100 miles south of Atlanta.
Big Ben was with about three friends who went out to a bar called “Buffington’s” to watch Pitt basketball.
Ben started buying patrons drinks and later moved over to “The Brick” restaurant and bar.
At The Brick, Roethlisberger reportedly signed autographs, took photos, and hung until about 1:30 a.m. Friday.
Big Ben ended up at a place called “Capital City.” It is a local hangout for students of Georgia College & State University.
Reportedly, Roethlisberger and up to three other men entered a VIP area in the rear of the club and several women followed them in. This is where the story gets muddied. This is also the point where the investigation begins.
According to Deputy Police Chief Richard Malone, the chief says that Big Ben was accompanied by three others and were with a group that included the alleged victim. Whatever took place next may for the moment be known only by Roethlisberger and the young woman.
Whatever took place in that VIP area the young lady and her friends contacted a police officer that was near the club and he took her statement and instructed her to go to the hospital which she did and was treated and released.
Roethlisberger did cooperate with the police and at this time no charges have been filed.

From Ben’s agent Ryan Tollner comes the following statement:
“Last night, Ben and his friends met a group of women and everyone mingled together throughout the evening. We have spoken to law enforcement. Based on information currently available, an allegation was made against Ben, which appeared to be dismissed after a preliminary investigation last night. Obviously, given the prior accusation against Ben, we are skeptical of motive, but we will continue to cooperate with everyone involved.”

As for the Steelers front office, the team’s official site makes no mention of the incident and team spokesman Dave Lockett is doing their own investigation and has no comment.

I think Aronson makes some very good points. I am not quite on board with losing respect for Ben (as a person) - YET. I have lost respect for his sense of judgment. In light of the civil case this way of going about life by Ben is very foolish. There is so much at stake on his actions and somehow he either can't see it or is refusing to see it. Neither of those is good in my book. If Ben is convicted I will lose all respect for him

cruzer8
03-06-2010, 04:20 PM
I think Aronson comes across as a judgmental a-hole who's feelings are hurt because the QB of his favorite football team isn't living his life the way Aronson thinks he should.

fezziwig
03-06-2010, 05:15 PM
It hasn't even started yet with the media over doing this. If Ben is found guilty, what will that be like ? If Ben is found innocent, there will always be doubts, rumors and disgruntle attitudes.

I wonder if SNL will do a skit on this ?


If you go to youtube and enter Ben Roethlisberger assualt chargers, you'll hear a lot their too.

isonator07
03-06-2010, 05:23 PM
When I read this article I got a little steamed. How can Florio compare Ben to Tiger when there is really no comparison at all. Lets see Tiger is married with children and admitted to the actions. Ben is a single guy no kids going out like most single people would and was at this point only accused of wrongdoing. Until guilty of anything I think Florio should leave the Tiger comparisons bottled up in his twisted head. Just my opinion.

feltdizz
03-06-2010, 05:39 PM
Question for the board. How can you respect or not respect Ben as a person if you never met him?
I'm not talking about "Ben was so cool he signed my shirt," I'm talking extended conversation beyond being a wide eyed fan.

Too many fans think a great athlete is a great person off the field.
Jordan was a gambling womanizer
Tiger likes the skanks
I have met about 2 to 3 cheerleaders who know Shaq personally
Agassi was a meth head
Larry Bird is a dead beat dad
Bill Cosby drugged women and did God knows what to them
Magic Johnson caught the package and I just read about the orgies they had in the showers after games.

But when all this was happening you couldn't convince a fan of one of these guys that their hero's were human and flawed off the field. Look at baseball and all the hate Canseco got for telling the world the MLB was a roid factory. He named the culprits... hasn't been wrong yet, and fans of teams STILL call him a bum and defend the cheaters.

feltdizz
03-06-2010, 05:43 PM
When I read this article I got a little steamed. How can Florio compare Ben to Tiger when there is really no comparison at all. Lets see Tiger is married with children and admitted to the actions. Ben is a single guy no kids going out like most single people would and was at this point only accused of wrongdoing. Until guilty of anything I think Florio should leave the Tiger comparisons bottled up in his twisted head. Just my opinion.
I think the comparison is with the list Tiger has not one woman has accused him of taking the poo poo. The worst thing a Tiger h.oe has said is he put it on them and they fell in love. Tiger is a saint compared to Ben right now. Adultery is nothing... compared to sexual assualt.

isonator07
03-06-2010, 05:47 PM
I agree...but at this point Ben is not guilty of sexual assault.

cruzer8
03-06-2010, 05:58 PM
I agree...but at this point Ben is not guilty of sexual assault.

Correct. Some people just can't seem to comprehend that.

feltdizz
03-06-2010, 06:15 PM
I agree...but at this point Ben is not guilty of sexual assault.
True... but say what you just typed out loud? It was so much better when we were arguing if Ben was elite or a game manager.

Saying "Ben hasn't been charged" means we lost already.

NJ-STEELER
03-06-2010, 07:15 PM
what about the women in tiger's case. they had to know who he was and that he was married.

they're not so innocent. are they?


until the facts come out in this case, let's not presume the accuser was a girl scout trying to sell cookies here

Flasteel
03-06-2010, 07:35 PM
I agree...but at this point Ben is not guilty of sexual assault.
True... but say what you just typed out loud? It was so much better when we were arguing if Ben was elite or a game manager.

Saying "Ben hasn't been charged" means we lost already.

Here you are making no sense again Dizz. Are you trying to be cryptic or are you just typing fragmented ideas which pop into your head as you finish each thought? :lol:

Ben hasn't been charged with anything, let alone found guilty of sexual assault. If he is ever found guilty, I'm sure he will be universally vilified. If he's not, then people like you and Florio who assume the worst and broadcast your thoughts should be vilified.

I don't think anyone's too far off base in questioning his decision making, but to start condemning the guy or attacking him in any other way is premature, at best.

hawaiiansteel
03-06-2010, 08:51 PM
I agree...but at this point Ben is not guilty of sexual assault.

Correct. Some people just can't seem to comprehend that.



Ben is being charged with illegal use of the hands...

feltdizz
03-06-2010, 09:48 PM
I agree...but at this point Ben is not guilty of sexual assault.
True... but say what you just typed out loud? It was so much better when we were arguing if Ben was elite or a game manager.

Saying "Ben hasn't been charged" means we lost already.

Here you are making no sense again Dizz. Are you trying to be cryptic or are you just typing fragmented ideas which pop into your head as you finish each thought? :lol:

Ben hasn't been charged with anything, let alone found guilty of sexual assault. If he is ever found guilty, I'm sure he will be universally vilified. If he's not, then people like you and Florio who assume the worst and broadcast your thoughts should be vilified.

I don't think anyone's too far off base in questioning his decision making, but to start condemning the guy or attacking him in any other way is premature, at best.

funny guy...

If Ben is found innocent in both cases what do I have to apologize for? I touched no one. LOL.

I ask again... why the phuck are we even walking down this path of sexual assault?

Why are you acting like we made this story up out of thin air? The girl may have... but that is why we are frustrated. It's another dramatic off season...

But you are right... if innocent this will all go away and Florio and America will forgive Ben. :roll:

steelz09
03-07-2010, 12:31 PM
Well, I had to write a response to PFT and the editor regarding that article....

It's posted on the planet steelers homepage http://www.planetsteelers.com

Jooser
03-07-2010, 12:42 PM
I have to admit Jhans, I like that. Florio slings too much mud. He convicted Ben last summer when the other allegations came to light, by none other than TMZ (of course), and slammed ESPN for not immediately covering the story when it broke. As it turns out, Florio has been eating crow since then as the merits of those previous allegations have evaporated. Like I said, the dude's a douche and needs to report the facts, not his opinion if he ever wants to be seen as a legit source.

feltdizz
03-07-2010, 01:07 PM
I have to admit Jhans, I like that. Florio slings too much mud. He convicted Ben last summer when the other allegations came to light, by none other than TMZ (of course), and slammed ESPN for not immediately covering the story when it broke. As it turns out, Florio has been eating crow since then as the merits of those previous allegations have evaporated. Like I said, the dude's a douche and needs to report the facts, not his opinion if he ever wants to be seen as a legit source.

I think the taste of crow is gone...

Florio is eating a Ruth Chris Filet Mignon paid for by Ben and the college chick.

stlrz d
03-07-2010, 02:07 PM
Well, I had to write a response to PFT and the editor regarding that article....

It's posted on the planet steelers homepage http://www.planetsteelers.com


We’re heard chatter of Roethlisberger directing that same attitude toward persons in various contexts, and people of goodwill and pure heart simply don’t treat others that way.

Florio is a lawyer...does he not know what "hearsay" is?

buckeyehoppy
03-07-2010, 02:16 PM
PFT uses TMZ as a legitimate source for information. I don't think I have to elaborate on that one.

Just from me: Benjamin needs to get the hell out of these situations like this. Doesn't matter what a real judge and jury do to him, if it even gets that far, he's already lost in personal judgment, his perception from others and, most importantly, from the possibility of an internal investigation from the league.

If Benjamin is lucky, he will get off with a final warning from the league. He has already compromised his own image and the images of his team and the league as a whole. From the Steelers perspective, the team doesn't do drama and Benjamin has already pushed those boundaries far outside normal limits.

On one hand, they have been more than lenient concerning Skippy's off-field incidents. OTOH, they haven't given Skippy US$102M. Anyone think Benjamin doesn't come under closer scrutiny?

The NFL will not take this so lightly and they frankly don't have to. Benjamin is tarnishing the image of their league and is compromising the value of their league to corporate sponsors and investors. Corporate sponsors do not have to wait for the judgment of a court of law. Anyone think Benjamin has a prayer against a corporate community who will think of him as a punk with no judgment skills while they indirectly pay his salary?

Right now, it doesn't look good for Benjamin. Whether he is guilty of an infraction under the Georgia Revised Code is something that will be determined in the course of time.

The NFL, the Steelers, Steelers fan and other observers of professional football have no such boundaries as the legal system has and can be far more cruel, in word and deed.

fezziwig
03-07-2010, 03:30 PM
Question for the board. How can you respect or not respect Ben as a person if you never met him?
I'm not talking about "Ben was so cool he signed my shirt," I'm talking extended conversation beyond being a wide eyed fan.

Too many fans think a great athlete is a great person off the field.
Jordan was a gambling womanizer
Tiger likes the skanks
I have met about 2 to 3 cheerleaders who know Shaq personally
Agassi was a meth head
Larry Bird is a dead beat dad
Bill Cosby drugged women and did God knows what to them
Magic Johnson caught the package and I just read about the orgies they had in the showers after games.

But when all this was happening you couldn't convince a fan of one of these guys that their hero's were human and flawed off the field. Look at baseball and all the hate Canseco got for telling the world the MLB was a roid factory. He named the culprits... hasn't been wrong yet, and fans of teams STILL call him a bum and defend the cheaters.


What you said is why I've never tried or made the effort to meet or see the players off the field. I want to cheer them on and if I find out they are less than I expect a person should be, it will take the enjoyment away.

Ben has reached that threshold with me after this second sexual ordeal. Too many stories going around about him being an egomaniac. He went over the top with this second possible charge of assualt and I have to say, generally where there is smoke there is fire.

I'm not a good for me and bad for you type person. Example: I hate Bill Belichick and his cheating, his sour personality. Had he been our Steelers head coach or had we a head coach like Bellichick, I would hit the roof and would rather lose than to cheat and cheer on a dumb ass. That is why I would say the same goes for Ben in my books.
Granted, innocent until proven guilty but even the courts lock you up while trying to find out the truth with a court hearing and trial. Not saying Ben needs locked up, just stating my ill will towards him is not new to the world.
If he is found innocent, I'll be happy but it will take a while for me to respect him.
Good athletes, actors etc don't always mean they are tops all the way around.

I never heard that stuff about Bill Cosby, I thought he was as squeeky clean, good guy as they come. Are you sure about that ?

Shawn
03-07-2010, 04:40 PM
I can't wait to hear what allegedly took place. Were they making out and he touched her boobie? Did he grab her butt? If it wasn't rape, but was sexual assault, then what need would there be to go to the hospital? This whole thing seems retarded.

They need to release what supposedly took place as the media and regular people have already pretty much prosecuted him like he put on a ski mask and held a knife to her throat and raped her.

Pretty much to collect evidence. It's as much to protect Ben as the lady. Without bruises, scratches, semen, blood, semen, witness...something...this will not stick. He said...she said stuff...will error on the side of the accused.

Shawn
03-07-2010, 04:45 PM
Question for the board. How can you respect or not respect Ben as a person if you never met him?
I'm not talking about "Ben was so cool he signed my shirt," I'm talking extended conversation beyond being a wide eyed fan.

Too many fans think a great athlete is a great person off the field.
Jordan was a gambling womanizer
Tiger likes the skanks
I have met about 2 to 3 cheerleaders who know Shaq personally
Agassi was a meth head
Larry Bird is a dead beat dad
Bill Cosby drugged women and did God knows what to them
Magic Johnson caught the package and I just read about the orgies they had in the showers after games.

But when all this was happening you couldn't convince a fan of one of these guys that their hero's were human and flawed off the field. Look at baseball and all the hate Canseco got for telling the world the MLB was a roid factory. He named the culprits... hasn't been wrong yet, and fans of teams STILL call him a bum and defend the cheaters.


What you said is why I've never tried or made the effort to meet or see the players off the field. I want to cheer them on and if I find out they are less than I expect a person should be, it will take the enjoyment away.

Ben has reached that threshold with me after this second sexual ordeal. Too many stories going around about him being an egomaniac. He went over the top with this second possible charge of assualt and I have to say, generally where there is smoke there is fire.

I'm not a good for me and bad for you type person. Example: I hate Bill Belichick and his cheating, his sour personality. Had he been our Steelers head coach or had we a head coach like Bellichick, I would hit the roof and would rather lose than to cheat and cheer on a dumb bad word. That is why I would say the same goes for Ben in my books.
Granted, innocent until proven guilty but even the courts lock you up while trying to find out the truth with a court hearing and trial. Not saying Ben needs locked up, just stating my ill will towards him is not new to the world.
If he is found innocent, I'll be happy but it will take a while for me to respect him.
Good athletes, actors etc don't always mean they are tops all the way around.

I never heard that stuff about Bill Cosby, I thought he was as squeeky clean, good guy as they come. Are you sure about that ?


I hear stories everyday at work...one nurse talking about another...one accusing the other of mischief or being a jackass. People can be real ignorant. So because a minority of the people who met Ben thought he was an acs...he is guilty of a crime? Because a couple women have accused him of wrong doing (smoke) then he is a rapist (fire)? I hate when people say that because it merely supports making unsubstantiated negative opinions about someone. I'm big on innocent until proven guilty...and I seen no history of sexual misconduct with Ben until after his big contract. Concidence? Doubt it. But, I say let the facts come out before you starting hating on someone.

fezziwig
03-07-2010, 05:40 PM
How many nice guys stories are there about Ben ? I'd like to hear them.

Here we have a QB, our savior that finally got us not one Super Bowl win but two. A QB that we waited for since Bradshaw and possibly better than Bradshaw. Do the Steeler fans love to be proud of their Steeler players ? Do the Steeler fans take pride in their Steeler players. Yes to both. With all that we know, appreciate and love about our Steelers and our tradewark QB, why are there so many negative stories about him ?
All these Steeler fans must love all the other Steeler players except Ben. They all must be telling lies about Ben.

I don't know if Ben is a big time soft sack or not but I know one thing, he creates these problems. He isn't smart when hanging with young people. He knows he is in the spotlight, two time Super Bowl champ has enough money to retire for his lifetime and his maybe someday childrens lifetime and he is screwing it up.
Even if he is innocent, I'm ticked because he is bringing this dark cloud on the team, coaches, players, fans city and whomever else.

If they find him innocent great, but there is still damage with all this. What if he is found guilty ?

NorthCoast
03-07-2010, 05:57 PM
I wonder what Ben's teammates are saying right now?

We just heard this great story about Troy with a few kid-fans and now this. Wonder what Troy is thinking, or Hines? Even if he is not guilty, it is negative attention that is truly sad for the franchise. We like to joke about the Ravens or Bengals, but I wonder if our house is any better?
I can imagine Hines thinking Ben is going to screw up Hines' last chance to get another ring. The window for a number of players is shrinking and with this kind of distraction, it does not bode well for a repeat very soon.
In one respect I feel bad for Ben (and other superstar athletes). They don't realize what they have going until it's lost.....and for what..... We can only hope it is just Ben's money attracting low-life hangers on or it was perhaps a misunderstanding of 'signals'.
If he is found guilty, I am willing to live with another 10 yrs seeking a franchise QB rather than having to cheer for someone I have lost all respect for.

Chucktownsteeler
03-07-2010, 05:57 PM
If Ben is found guilty in Georgia, he will learn all about "assault" in the Georgia pen.

The state of georgia has some of the toughest laws in the country when is comes to sex-related crimes.

Chucktown