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SteelerNation1
03-05-2010, 07:19 PM
Schefter just tweeted this. Rats get AB and a5th rd pick. Cards get a 3rd and 4th

SteelCzar76
03-05-2010, 07:26 PM
Now if they pick up another physical receiver via the Draft to further compliment their power ground game,......how do we think a Drafting a smallish cornerback sized cover S in the first round is going "to hold water" even in our own division. (Let alone deep into the playoffs)

Lebsteel
03-05-2010, 07:39 PM
Now if they pick up another physical receiver via the Draft to further compliment their power ground game,......how do we think a Drafting a smallish cornerback sized cover S in the first round is going "to hold water" even in our own division. (Let alone deep into the playoffs)
So what do you think the Steelers should do? :wink:

JTP53609
03-05-2010, 07:41 PM
i dont know, but by the looks of it on March 5th 2009 at 6:39, our season does not look so hot, the rats just got alot better, and we have drama going into the season again, for a third time in 6 years, the previous 2 times we have had drama we had no playoffs

hawaiiansteel
03-05-2010, 07:46 PM
Now if they pick up another physical receiver via the Draft to further compliment their power ground game,......how do we think a Drafting a smallish cornerback sized cover S in the first round is going "to hold water" even in our own division. (Let alone deep into the playoffs)


So what do you think the Steelers should do? :wink:


i think it's time for the Steelers to be aggressive and sign someone like CB Leigh Bodden to start opposite Ike and then draft a FS like Earl Thomas in Round 1 or Nate Allen in Round 2.

If Ryan Clark leaves in free agency sign a stop-gap veteran S like Sean Jones of the Eagles to a one-year contract while Nate Allen learns our complicated defense. :roll:

isonator07
03-05-2010, 07:46 PM
i dont know, but by the looks of it on March 5th 2009 at 6:39, our season does not look so hot, the rats just got alot better, and we have drama going into the season again, for a third time in 6 years, the previous 2 times we have had drama we had no playoffs


The first day of FA is never a day for us. Just sit back and wait for teams to break the bank on these aging vets. We'll wind up with someone like key fox and put together a solid draft and be just fine. I'm not loving this Ben crap though.

SteelCzar76
03-05-2010, 07:49 PM
Now if they pick up another physical receiver via the Draft to further compliment their power ground game,......how do we think a Drafting a smallish cornerback sized cover S in the first round is going "to hold water" even in our own division. (Let alone deep into the playoffs)
So what do you think the Steelers should do? :wink:

Draft Taylor and bring Darren Sharper in for a season or two,..while he (Mays) gets up to speed at both strong and free.

Or Select Kyle Wilson in the 1st and Nate Allen in rnd 2,.. while still bringing in sharper to ease the rook's (Allen) transition.

Either way,.. i have to just say NO to the tiny Big 12 "Ballhawk" that is Earl Thomas. Not that the kid is a bum by any means,....but i do not see him flourishing in our defense. He is simply not physical enough and almost a liability against the run.

JTP53609
03-05-2010, 07:52 PM
i dont know, but by the looks of it on March 5th 2009 at 6:39, our season does not look so hot, the rats just got alot better, and we have drama going into the season again, for a third time in 6 years, the previous 2 times we have had drama we had no playoffs


The first day of FA is never a day for us. Just sit back and wait for teams to break the bank on these aging vets. We'll wind up with someone like key fox and put together a solid draft and be just fine. I'm not loving this Ben crap though.


i agree with , if the bengals signed boldin than fine, but the ravens signed him which worries me, i hate them, but they are good with free agency and make few signings, but good ones, this boldin one looks good

hawaiiansteel
03-05-2010, 07:55 PM
Now if they pick up another physical receiver via the Draft to further compliment their power ground game,......how do we think a Drafting a smallish cornerback sized cover S in the first round is going "to hold water" even in our own division. (Let alone deep into the playoffs)
So what do you think the Steelers should do? :wink:

Draft Taylor and bring Darren Sharper in for a season or two,..while he (Mays) gets up to speed at both strong and free.

Or Select Kyle Wilson in the 1st and Nate Allen in rnd 2,.. while still bringing in sharper to ease the rook's (Allen) transition.

Either way,.. i have to just say NO to the tiny Big 12 "Ballhawk" that is Earl Thomas. Not that the kid is a bum by any means,....but i do not see him flourishing in our defense. He is simply not physical enough and almost a liability against the run.


Troy Polamalu is listed on the Steelers website at 5'10" 207 lbs.

Earl Thomas weighed in at the Combine at 5'10" 208 lbs.

but I do like your Darren Sharper idea, he would be great playing next to Troy!

SteelCzar76
03-05-2010, 08:09 PM
Now if they pick up another physical receiver via the Draft to further compliment their power ground game,......how do we think a Drafting a smallish cornerback sized cover S in the first round is going "to hold water" even in our own division. (Let alone deep into the playoffs)
So what do you think the Steelers should do? :wink:

Draft Taylor and bring Darren Sharper in for a season or two,..while he (Mays) gets up to speed at both strong and free.

Or Select Kyle Wilson in the 1st and Nate Allen in rnd 2,.. while still bringing in sharper to ease the rook's (Allen) transition.

Either way,.. i have to just say NO to the tiny Big 12 "Ballhawk" that is Earl Thomas. Not that the kid is a bum by any means,....but i do not see him flourishing in our defense. He is simply not physical enough and almost a liability against the run.


Troy Polamalu is listed on the Steelers website at 5'10" 207 lbs.

Earl Thomas weighed in at the Combine at 5'10" 208 lbs.

but I do like your Darren Sharper idea, he would be great playing next to Troy!

Yeah,..but that combine 208 lbs was unintentional on his part (in the terms that he was trying to bulk up but gained a little more than he expected) according to Mike Mayock whom he (Thomas) also told that his actual playing weight was around 190 or so.

But even at the same weight as Troy,...his core is not nearly as explosive as Troy's nor his overall strength in general. Troy played with what almost appeared to be LB strength in college and he's even had to adjust to NFL standards in terms of size and power of the opposition.

So imagine Thomas entering the League with "cover guy" strength, explosiveness and tackling ability ? I just don't see that working out as well as some think at either safety spot,...

Shawn
03-05-2010, 08:12 PM
Now if they pick up another physical receiver via the Draft to further compliment their power ground game,......how do we think a Drafting a smallish cornerback sized cover S in the first round is going "to hold water" even in our own division. (Let alone deep into the playoffs)
So what do you think the Steelers should do? :wink:

Draft Taylor and bring Darren Sharper in for a season or two,..while he (Mays) gets up to speed at both strong and free.

Or Select Kyle Wilson in the 1st and Nate Allen in rnd 2,.. while still bringing in sharper to ease the rook's (Allen) transition.

Either way,.. i have to just say NO to the tiny Big 12 "Ballhawk" that is Earl Thomas. Not that the kid is a bum by any means,....but i do not see him flourishing in our defense. He is simply not physical enough and almost a liability against the run.

:roll:

SteelCzar76
03-05-2010, 08:16 PM
Now if they pick up another physical receiver via the Draft to further compliment their power ground game,......how do we think a Drafting a smallish cornerback sized cover S in the first round is going "to hold water" even in our own division. (Let alone deep into the playoffs)
So what do you think the Steelers should do? :wink:

Draft Taylor and bring Darren Sharper in for a season or two,..while he (Mays) gets up to speed at both strong and free.

Or Select Kyle Wilson in the 1st and Nate Allen in rnd 2,.. while still bringing in sharper to ease the rook's (Allen) transition.

Either way,.. i have to just say NO to the tiny Big 12 "Ballhawk" that is Earl Thomas. Not that the kid is a bum by any means,....but i do not see him flourishing in our defense. He is simply not physical enough and almost a liability against the run.

:roll:


Says the guy whom wants the team to Draft Thomas in the first round. :lol: :lol:

Shawn
03-05-2010, 08:19 PM
And Mays is a coverage guru? To get better in coverage don't you think drafting a coverage guy is pretty important? Thomas is an elite talent with elite coverage skills. He is far from a waif like you make him to be. He is the epitome of a FS...exactly what we need.

Mays doesn't fit our system unless we move Troy.

SteelCzar76
03-05-2010, 08:20 PM
Troy Polamalu is listed on the Steelers website at 5'10" 207 lbs.

Oh,..and 207 lbs is Troy at "playing weight",....he's naturally 10-12 pounds heavier. 8) :Cheers

SteelCzar76
03-05-2010, 09:06 PM
And Mays is a coverage guru? To get better in coverage don't you think drafting a coverage guy is pretty important? Thomas is an elite talent with elite coverage skills. He is far from a waif like you make him to be. He is the epitome of a FS...exactly what we need.

Mays doesn't fit our system unless we move Troy.

Here's the thing Shawn,...i don't know whether or not you have watched Thomas play this season much at Texas,..or especially against Bama's ground game in the National Championship,.....but i would be far more comfortable with Mays on the field for us against the likes of Ray Rice, Willis Mcgahee, Boldin, Cedric Benson, Larry Johnson and even what appears to be an up and coming Browns running attack.

As far as Taylor's supposed lack of skills in coverage,..as i have said before,..i believe as much to be greatly over exaggerated. (much as was the case with Troy coming out.)

Taylor's "shortcomings" can be rectified via coaching and wisdom that would come as a product of playing with the best Safety in the game. (Polamalu)

Taylor also gives you a player whom can play both Safety spots, as well as adding some impact in regards to special teams coverage.

And finally,...he could probably make the switch to OLB if he were to lose a step regarding speed towards the end of his career and still be very productive. (ie: no wasted roster space with slow safeties at any point)

Sugar
03-05-2010, 10:00 PM
I wonder how Mr. Bolden will do now that he will attract attention as the #1 guy. He's talented for sure, but he also won't have anyone like Fitz on the other side. He also won't have anyone like Warner to deliver the ball either.

SteelCzar76
03-05-2010, 10:11 PM
I wonder how Mr. Bolden will do now that he will attract attention as the #1 guy. He's talented for sure, but he also won't have anyone like Fitz on the other side. He also won't have anyone like Warner to deliver the ball either.

I don't feel it would be much of a problem if they were to also land say Golden Tate, (Yeah,...i can't stand his golden domed arse. But i have to admit that he is lightweight similar to Hines lol) Arrelious Benn or even Damian Williams in the first round this year.

feltdizz
03-06-2010, 03:21 AM
And Mays is a coverage guru? To get better in coverage don't you think drafting a coverage guy is pretty important? Thomas is an elite talent with elite coverage skills. He is far from a waif like you make him to be. He is the epitome of a FS...exactly what we need.

Mays doesn't fit our system unless we move Troy.

Here's the thing Shawn,...i don't know whether or not you have watched Thomas play this season much at Texas,..or especially against Bama's ground game in the National Championship,.....but i would be far more comfortable with Mays on the field for us against the likes of Ray Rice, Willis Mcgahee, Boldin, Cedric Benson, Larry Johnson and even what appears to be an up and coming Browns running attack.

As far as Taylor's supposed lack of skills in coverage,..as i have said before,..i believe as much to be greatly over exaggerated. (much as was the case with Troy coming out.)

Taylor's "shortcomings" can be rectified via coaching and wisdom that would come as a product of playing with the best Safety in the game. (Polamalu)

Taylor also gives you a player whom can play both Safety spots, as well as adding some impact in regards to special teams coverage.

And finally,...he could probably make the switch to OLB if he were to lose a step regarding speed towards the end of his career and still be very productive. (ie: no wasted roster space with slow safeties at any point)

Bing muthaphrucking... O!!!

I agree... I think Thomas will be decent but I'm not impressed by INT stats after breaking down who they were against. I like that he can catch... But he looks tiny and like you said...
Alabama ran all over Texas.

I think the board is in love with the INT's because we were pathetic at TO's last year.

MaxAMillion
03-06-2010, 10:25 AM
This finally gives the Ravens a legitimate NFL receiver in their offense. They just got a lot tougher. Meanwhile our defense keeps getting older. I think the Steelers really have to focus on adding some youth and athleticism to the defense. Our secondary has to improve in order to compete, and I don't believe that bringing Troy back solves all our problems.

Sugar
03-06-2010, 09:57 PM
Well, it looks like TO may be going to the Bengals, so the receiving corps in the AFCN is going to dictate that we get a lot better in the secondary.

ANPSTEEL
03-07-2010, 12:13 PM
This finally gives the Ravens a legitimate NFL receiver in their offense. They just got a lot tougher. Meanwhile our defense keeps getting older. I think the Steelers really have to focus on adding some youth and athleticism to the defense. Our secondary has to improve in order to compete, and I don't believe that bringing Troy back solves all our problems.

yep-

and it is not just the addition of Boldin.

Of the group that the ravens started last season, only Mason would actually see the field on most any other team.

Combined with Stallworth, and the assumed resigning of Mason- dramatically upgrades their passing game.

If the Ravens had those three receivers this past season- they probably beat the Colts in the playoffs.

RuthlessBurgher
03-07-2010, 12:57 PM
This finally gives the Ravens a legitimate NFL receiver in their offense. They just got a lot tougher. Meanwhile our defense keeps getting older. I think the Steelers really have to focus on adding some youth and athleticism to the defense. Our secondary has to improve in order to compete, and I don't believe that bringing Troy back solves all our problems.

yep-

and it is not just the addition of Boldin.

Of the group that the ravens started last season, only Mason would actually see the field on most any other team.

Combined with Stallworth, and the assumed resigning of Mason- dramatically upgrades their passing game.

If the Ravens had those three receivers this past season- they probably beat the Colts in the playoffs.

Those 3 receivers? Really?

Stallworth is a reclamation project who was never all that good anyway. He never had 1000 yards receiving even in his best years in New Orleans. Since then, he was one-season-and-done in Philly, New England, and Cleveland, and missed all of last year after killing a guy.

Derrick Mason wanted to retire last off-season, and had to be talked into coming back. That may work once (a la Bettis) but I don't see him being a major factor evenif they are able to re-sign him as a UFA. He's had a solid career, for sure, but it is certainly in its twilight.

Boldin is the one guy I do like, but he is awfully injury prone and who know how good he will be without Fitz opposite him to take coverage away (no one anywhere close to that in Baltimore) and without Warner throwing him the ball (Flacco isn't near that level either). He's a physical possession receiver that you have to respect, but I think they will have Demetrius Williams, Mark Clayton, or a rookie starting opposite him, which isn't keeping me up at night.

ANPSTEEL
03-07-2010, 01:18 PM
This finally gives the Ravens a legitimate NFL receiver in their offense. They just got a lot tougher. Meanwhile our defense keeps getting older. I think the Steelers really have to focus on adding some youth and athleticism to the defense. Our secondary has to improve in order to compete, and I don't believe that bringing Troy back solves all our problems.

yep-

and it is not just the addition of Boldin.

Of the group that the ravens started last season, only Mason would actually see the field on most any other team.

Combined with Stallworth, and the assumed resigning of Mason- dramatically upgrades their passing game.

If the Ravens had those three receivers this past season- they probably beat the Colts in the playoffs.

Those 3 receivers? Really?

Stallworth is a reclamation project who was never all that good anyway. He never had 1000 yards receiving even in his best years in New Orleans. Since then, he was one-season-and-done in Philly, New England, and Cleveland, and missed all of last year after killing a guy.

Derrick Mason wanted to retire last off-season, and had to be talked into coming back. That may work once (a la Bettis) but I don't see him being a major factor evenif they are able to re-sign him as a UFA. He's had a solid career, for sure, but it is certainly in its twilight.

Boldin is the one guy I do like, but he is awfully injury prone and who know how good he will be without Fitz opposite him to take coverage away (no one anywhere close to that in Baltimore) and without Warner throwing him the ball (Flacco isn't near that level either). He's a physical possession receiver that you have to respect, but I think they will have Demetrius Williams, Mark Clayton, or a rookie starting opposite him, which isn't keeping me up at night.

I getcha Ruthless- but i think you missed my point.


The Ravens dramatically improved their WR corp- by removing the scrubs that they had starting last season.

I am not suggesting that Donte Stallworth is a HOF player-

What I am suggesting is that they now have 3, maybe 4 receivers who should actually be on an NFL roster- vs. last season when they had guys who should be on the practice squad or the CFL actually lined up as the 2, 3, and 4 receiver.

That is the point.

If they had these three guys playing last season - instead of the guys that dropped about a half dozen very catchable balls against the Colts- they likely would have won that game.

Their improvement, combined with the apparent deterioration of the Steeler's secondary, is the implied concern.

:Cheers

SteelCzar76
03-07-2010, 03:35 PM
Boldin is the one guy I do like, but he is awfully injury prone and who know how good he will be without Fitz opposite him to take coverage away (no one anywhere close to that in Baltimore) and without Warner throwing him the ball (Flacco isn't near that level either). He's a physical possession receiver that you have to respect, but I think they will have Demetrius Williams, Mark Clayton, or a rookie starting opposite him, which isn't keeping me up at night.



So you do not feel that adding Boldin and even a "suspect but will be playing for his life" Stallworth to a Ravens passing attack that for the most part was having it's way against our secondary when last we played poses no threat ? (Especially if we enter the season with Gay, or Lewis starting at Corner and 7 round selection Ryan Mundy starting at Free Safety)

Really ?,... :lol:

SteelCzar76
03-07-2010, 06:50 PM
And Mays is a coverage guru? To get better in coverage don't you think drafting a coverage guy is pretty important? Thomas is an elite talent with elite coverage skills. He is far from a waif like you make him to be. He is the epitome of a FS...exactly what we need.

Mays doesn't fit our system unless we move Troy.

Here's the thing Shawn,...i don't know whether or not you have watched Thomas play this season much at Texas,..or especially against Bama's ground game in the National Championship,.....but i would be far more comfortable with Mays on the field for us against the likes of Ray Rice, Willis Mcgahee, Boldin, Cedric Benson, Larry Johnson and even what appears to be an up and coming Browns running attack.

As far as Taylor's supposed lack of skills in coverage,..as i have said before,..i believe as much to be greatly over exaggerated. (much as was the case with Troy coming out.)

Taylor's "shortcomings" can be rectified via coaching and wisdom that would come as a product of playing with the best Safety in the game. (Polamalu)

Taylor also gives you a player whom can play both Safety spots, as well as adding some impact in regards to special teams coverage.

And finally,...he could probably make the switch to OLB if he were to lose a step regarding speed towards the end of his career and still be very productive. (ie: no wasted roster space with slow safeties at any point)

Bing muthaphrucking... O!!!

I agree... I think Thomas will be decent but I'm not impressed by INT stats after breaking down who they were against. I like that he can catch... But he looks tiny and like you said...
Alabama ran all over Texas.

I think the board is in love with the INT's because we were pathetic at TO's last year.



That's exactly why,.... .because of the number of his (Thomas's) INT's. But the way i see it,... good ball skills can look incredible if your playing with large leads in an already pass happy conference. (It's a matter of opportunities)

And another thing that people fail to realize is that Coach Carroll almost exclusively ran cover 1 at SC. Thereby almost putting too much pressure on Taylor this season to not only cover the the vast majority of the field,.. but also compensate for mismatches in short passing lanes due to the loss of our exceptional LB corps. (All the while having to remain cognizant of being physical and active in run support)

But can you imagine how much more impressive Taylor would be in Coach Lebeau's system which employs Cover 2 principles in terms of coverage. Where he only has to focus upon half of the field and will be supported by studs in the front seven as well Troy ?

I think he'd more than exceed any of the "Lack of ball skills,..will suffer in coverage" presumptions made by critics. Especially when you consider this,.. that in their tenures at SC,.....Troy finished with 278 tackles, 13 passes broken up and 6 picks.

And Taylor, finished with 276 tackles, 21 passes broken up and 5 picks.