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Oviedo
03-05-2010, 01:34 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/ ... id=4960457 (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4960457)\

Not that his board means much but he does have access to more "informed" opinions than this board

Dropped from #5 to #12 on Kiper's board

Other players of interest:

CJ Spiller went from #10 to #8
Earl Thomas went from #23 to #21
Ro McClain went from #8 to #11
Devin McCourty went from NR to #20 (higher than Thomas)

Weatherspoon and Odrick are not even ranked---insanity

papillon
03-05-2010, 01:41 PM
These are the teams from 12 to 17...in case he actually falls that far. I guess any of these teams would snap him up if he were there. I can't see a 1st round corner back not being taken.

# Miami (7-9)
# San Francisco (8-8)
# Seattle - from Denver (8-8)
# New York Giants (8-8)
# Tennessee (8-8)
# San Francisco - from Carolina (8-8)

Pappy

NJ-STEELER
03-05-2010, 01:54 PM
miami took corners in rounds 1 & 2 last year

hawaiiansteel
03-05-2010, 02:44 PM
from the GBN Report -

This year’s scouting combine in Indianapolis was one of the more interesting in recents with all kinds of things to chew over. Reader Dan L, for example, weighed in regarding Florida CB Joe Haden’s disappointing 40 time saying “I think Haden’s 40 times have thrown a huge monkey wrench into this draft and the combine’s future. He cost himself millions because he was not going to go past the 12th pick. He’ll still be a 1st rounder, but maybe not until the mid- to latter part of the round. There was no reason for Haden to show up and run the 40 unless he KNEW he was going to run at least under a 4.45; and having the slightest hint that was going to run this slow and still showing up was silly. The network guys sell it as competing, but if there’s no gain then the player must listen to the agent and do the smart thing. This is millions of dollars, not some soap box derby for a merit badge. This is once in a lifetime money, and he may have lost a guaranteed $10 million. All he had to do was bow out and say “check the film” and teams would have assumed he ran around a 4.4 or better.”

feltdizz
03-05-2010, 03:48 PM
from the GBN Report -

This year’s scouting combine in Indianapolis was one of the more interesting in recents with all kinds of things to chew over. Reader Dan L, for example, weighed in regarding Florida CB Joe Haden’s disappointing 40 time saying “I think Haden’s 40 times have thrown a huge monkey wrench into this draft and the combine’s future. He cost himself millions because he was not going to go past the 12th pick. He’ll still be a 1st rounder, but maybe not until the mid- to latter part of the round. There was no reason for Haden to show up and run the 40 unless he KNEW he was going to run at least under a 4.45; and having the slightest hint that was going to run this slow and still showing up was silly. The network guys sell it as competing, but if there’s no gain then the player must listen to the agent and do the smart thing. This is millions of dollars, not some soap box derby for a merit badge. This is once in a lifetime money, and he may have lost a guaranteed $10 million. All he had to do was bow out and say “check the film” and teams would have assumed he ran around a 4.4 or better.”

Maybe this is true.. but I don't think you can hide your weakness. If he didn't run he drops because it looks like he is hiding his 40 time.

I don't know the game of draft dodging, LOL... but if I'm a GM or scout and a top 10 CB isn't running the 40 I'm under the impression he is slow or injured.

Shawn
03-05-2010, 05:57 PM
Haden can play...hope he drops to 18 personally.

SteelCzar76
03-05-2010, 06:06 PM
There is no way that Haden gets by the Niners twice and the Titans at 17,...as both have a considerable need at the Corner position. And 40 time aside,...the kid's on field resume still dictates that he's the number one Corner in a Draft that just so happens to come at a period when the league has gone "video game pass happy".

Bottom line,..he very well may not go in the Top Ten,...but he will not last until the 18th pick.

TallyStiller
03-05-2010, 07:18 PM
If he gets past 10, though, do we look to trade up to get him? We don't pick this high very often, and the chance to get the best player in the draft at a position of significant need may be worth our #2, especially given the fact that we have three #5's and the fact that this is a deep draft.

Then again, one of the reasons it's deep is because there are lots of decent corners...

NJ-STEELER
03-05-2010, 07:31 PM
Haden can play...hope he drops to 18 personally.

me too.
he's gonna have his pro day and i've heard he had poor form in his stance/starting.

i'd be suprised if he doesn't score better.


come to think of it why are they making the players run like they are track atletes.
stand them up like they are on the football filed and see what their times are

hawaiiansteel
03-05-2010, 07:34 PM
If he gets past 10, though, do we look to trade up to get him? We don't pick this high very often, and the chance to get the best player in the draft at a position of significant need may be worth our #2, especially given the fact that we have three #5's and the fact that this is a deep draft.

Then again, one of the reasons it's deep is because there are lots of decent corners...


this is being called the best and deepest draft in a long, long time. i don't think you give up additional draft choices in this draft unless Eric Berry falls unexpectedly, especially since there are many good CBs that will still be available in Rounds 2-4.

remember, we selected Ike Taylor in the 4th round...

pfelix73
03-06-2010, 12:04 AM
IF he drops to us at 18, then I will get out the Christmas ornaments and hang them up- because I would be thinking its Christmas in April....
:tt1

Oviedo
03-06-2010, 01:49 PM
Haden was just on the radio on ESPN Saturday with Kiper and predicted he would run in the high 4.3's at his Pro Day in Gainesville. We will see but I would be surprised.