Since we draft 18th, gimme 18 guys you'd be willing to draft

[RuthlessBurgher]

Build a pre-combine first round draft board for the Steelers that is 18 players deep. If everyone in the entire draft were available when we picked, who would be your top choice for us? Your next choice? The worst case scenario that you would be willing to live with at #18? My personal list of 18 consists only of defensive players and offensive linemen.

I know some folks are high on C.J. Spiller, for example, and while I feel that he will be a quality NFL player, I would go nuts if we spent our first round pick on another offensive skill player when we have bigger needs elsewhere. Therefore, Spiller, Dez Bryant, Sam Bradford, and Jimmy Clausen are not in my personal list of 18, even though I fully expect all of them to be drafted in the top half of the first round. Also, certain players such as Derrick Morgan, Jason-Pierre Paul, and Brian Price don't necessaily fit into our scheme, so I did not include them in my list for the Steelers either.

I didn't include any CB's except for Haden because I think it is a deep draft for corners, with the 12th corner not all that far behind the 2nd corner, so I would rather wait until round 2 or 3 to draft a CB and get better overall value with my CB pick, if I am unable to draft the premier CB in the draft. It is difficult to compare, say, Kyle Wilson to Terrence Cody or Maurkice Pouncey directly (ya think?). Even though I like Wilson a lot, I decided to include Pouncey and Cody at the bottom of my list and not Wilson because there is a bigger dropoff to the next tier of centers and nose tackles, while there are multiple CB's that I consider to be on par with Wilson (guys like Warren, Ghee, Cox, McCourty, etc.). Not that it means all that much though...as soon as the top 2 QB's get drafted ahead of us, Cody and Pouncey would get eliminated from consideration on my first round big board anyway.

Anyway, here goes:

1. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
2. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
3. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
4. Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
5. Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
6. Joe Haden, CB, Florida
7. Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
8. Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama
9. Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa
10. Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
11. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
12. Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
13. Mike Iupati, G, Idaho
14. Jared Odrick, DE/DT, Penn State
15. Sean Weatherspoon, ILB, Missouri
16. Brandon Graham, DE/OLB, Michigan
17. Maurkice Pouncey, C/G, Florida
18. Terrence Cody, NT, Alabama

Since I expect a half-dozen or so other guys that aren't on my list to go ahead of us in the first round of the draft (such as Clausen, Bradford, Bryant, Spiller, Morgan, Pierre-Paul, Price), I would hopefully be looking to draft one of the guys in my top dozen, and I would be very happy with any of them.

I ended up with 7 o-linemen (5 OT, 1 G, 1 C), 5 d-lineman (2 NT, 3 DE in a 3-4), 3 linebackers (2 ILB, 1 OLB), and 3 in the secondary (2 FS, 1 CB).

What are your top 18 Steeler draft targets, ranked in order from #1 to #18?

[Lebsteel]

1. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
2. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
3. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
4. Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
5. Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
6. Joe Haden, CB, Florida
7. Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
8. Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama
9. Jared Odrick, DE/DT, Penn State
10. Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
11. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
12. Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
13. Mike Iupati, G, Idaho
14. Taylor Mays, S, USC
15. Sean Weatherspoon, ILB, Missouri
16. Brandon Graham, DE/OLB, Michigan
17. Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa
18. Brian Price, DT, UCLA

[hawaiiansteel]

good one, actually made me think...


1) Eric Berry FS
2) Ndamukong Suh DT
3) Gerald McCoy DT
4) Joe Haden CB
5) Rolando McClain ILB
6) Russell Okung OT
7) Brian Bulaga OT
8) Anthony Davis OT
9) Dan Williams NT
10) Earl Thomas FS
11) Jared Odrick DE
12) Sean Weatherspoon LB
13) Bruce Campbell OT
14) Brandon Graham DE/OLB
15) Mike Iupati OG
16) Terrence Cody NT
17) Maurkice Pouncey C
18) Trent Williams OT

[RuthlessBurgher]

1. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
2. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
3. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
4. Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
5. Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
6. Joe Haden, CB, Florida
7. Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
8. Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama
9. Jared Odrick, DE/DT, Penn State
10. Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
11. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
12. Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
13. Mike Iupati, G, Idaho
14. Taylor Mays, S, USC
15. Sean Weatherspoon, ILB, Missouri
16. Brandon Graham, DE/OLB, Michigan
17. Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa
18. Brian Price, DT, UCLA

I thought I was the only one here who saw top 10 potential in Bruce Campbell. :mrgreen:

You being high on Odrick is no secret at this point. 8)

You bumped my final two (not surprising) for Mays and Price. I haven't been a Mays fan even though he is an amazing physical specimen, because the safety I am looking for would be a ballhawk (since our corners are unable to make plays on the ball, I don't need a safety that is lacking coverage ability and ball skills). I still think Mays would make a phenomenally athletic linebacker in a Tampa 2 defense if he bulked up a bit. I realize that it is your last pick, the worst case scenario first round pick that would never happen because we wouldn't have a draft that went 17 picks without a QB, RB, or WR being taken (I put Cody there, and I am by no means enamored with him), but where would you put Price if we happened to draft him (hypothetically...just asking)?

[RuthlessBurgher]

good one, actually made me think...


1) Eric Berry FS
2) Ndamukong Suh DT
3) Gerald McCoy DT
4) Joe Haden CB
5) Rolando McClain ILB
6) Russell Okung OT
7) Brian Bulaga OT
8) Anthony Davis OT
9) Dan Williams NT
10) Earl Thomas FS
11) Jared Odrick DE
12) Sean Weatherspoon LB
13) Bruce Campbell OT
14) Brandon Graham DE/OLB
15) Mike Iupati OG
16) Terrence Cody NT
17) Maurkice Pouncey C
18) Trent Williams OT

I see we have all the same guys in our top 18, just in a slightly different order. I guess great minds think alike. :Cheers I briefly toyed with putting Berry first myself (absolutely love the guy), but Suh is amazing as well...couldn't go wrong either way. We agree that Trent Williams is the least desirable of the OT prospects (I think he'll be solid on the next level, but he may only be a RT on the next level...I think you need LT feet to be an elite prospect there).

[calmkiller]

Pre Combine of course.

1 Ndamukong Suh DT
2 Eric Berry FS
3 Gerald McCoy DT
4 Joe Haden CB
5 Rolando McClain ILB
6 Russell Okung OT
7 Earl Thomas FS
8 Anthony Davis OT
9 Brian Bulaga OT
10 C.J. Spiller RB
11 Jared Odrick DE
12 Sean Weatherspoon LB
13 Bruce Campbell OT
14 Brandon Graham DE/OLB
15 Kyle Wilson CB
16 Taylor Mays S
17 Dan Williams NT
18 Mike Iupati OG

[RuthlessBurgher]

Pre Combine of course.

1 Ndamukong Suh DT
2 Eric Berry FS
3 Gerald McCoy DT
4 Joe Haden CB
5 Rolando McClain ILB
6 Russell Okung OT
7 Earl Thomas FS
8 Anthony Davis OT
9 Brian Bulaga OT
10 C.J. Spiller RB
11 Jared Odrick DE
12 Sean Weatherspoon LB
13 Bruce Campbell OT
14 Brandon Graham DE/OLB
15 Kyle Wilson CB
16 Taylor Mays S
17 Dan Williams NT
18 Mike Iupati OG

It's our first offensive skill player sighting with Spiller making your top 10! (of course, Oviedo didn't post his big board yet. :wink: ) We also have the debut of a second CB, and I think Wilson would be my second choice of CB's as well (and I would pick him ahead of a Taylor Mays too).

[SteelCzar76]

1. Ndamukong Suh DT
2. Gerald Mckoy DT
3. Russell Okung OT
4. Joe Haden CB
5. Eric Berry FS
6. Rolando McClain ILB
7. Anthony Davis OT
8. Taylor Mays S
9. Kyle Wilson CB
10. Dan Williams NT
11. Bruce Price DT
12. Jeff Odrick DT
13. Mike Iupati OG
14. Earl Thomas FS/CB
15. Bryan Bulaga OT
16. Trent Williams OT
17. Sergio Kindle OLB
18 Trying deperately to get out of the first round at this point,....

[stlrz d]

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[SteelCzar76]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_giI94xul2-Q/SXUHKUGVppI/AAAAAAAAAwc/tIDKIfnADMk/s320/black-dynamite1.jpg

"Fiendish Tricky D,..i'll have no part of you and Tomlin's jive azz Grits. So miss me with his pimping and the games,...cause ain't nothing about me b#tch" :lol:

[Lebsteel]

1. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
2. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
3. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
4. Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
5. Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
6. Joe Haden, CB, Florida
7. Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
8. Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama
9. Jared Odrick, DE/DT, Penn State
10. Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
11. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
12. Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
13. Mike Iupati, G, Idaho
14. Taylor Mays, S, USC
15. Sean Weatherspoon, ILB, Missouri
16. Brandon Graham, DE/OLB, Michigan
17. Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa
18. Brian Price, DT, UCLA

I thought I was the only one here who saw top 10 potential in Bruce Campbell. :mrgreen:

You being high on Odrick is no secret at this point. 8)

You bumped my final two (not surprising) for Mays and Price. I haven't been a Mays fan even though he is an amazing physical specimen, because the safety I am looking for would be a ballhawk (since our corners are unable to make plays on the ball, I don't need a safety that is lacking coverage ability and ball skills). I still think Mays would make a phenomenally athletic linebacker in a Tampa 2 defense if he bulked up a bit. I realize that it is your last pick, the worst case scenario first round pick that would never happen because we wouldn't have a draft that went 17 picks without a QB, RB, or WR being taken (I put Cody there, and I am by no means enamored with him), but where would you put Price if we happened to draft him (hypothetically...just asking)?

Oh, sorry about Campbell being that high. Move him to 19 and I guess I would move Odrick up to 7 and also keep him at 9. :wink:

You are right, after reading more on Price, his skills would not serve us well in a 3-4 defense, however, WHEN we switch to the 4-3, he is a perfect 3 technique guy. :stirpot

[RuthlessBurgher]

1. Ndamukong Suh DT
2. Gerald Mckoy DT
3. Russell Okung OT
4. Joe Haden CB
5. Eric Berry FS
6. Rolando McClain ILB
7. Anthony Davis OT
8. Taylor Mays S
9. Kyle Wilson CB
10. Dan Williams NT
11. Bruce Price DT
12. Jeff Odrick DT
13. Mike Iupati OG
14. Earl Thomas FS/CB
15. Bryan Bulaga OT
16. Trent Williams OT
17. Sergio Kindle OLB
18 Trying deperately to get out of the first round at this point,....

I think it is funny that you called UCLA's Price "Bruce" instead of "Brian"...perhaps it was a Freudian slip of some kind when you subconsciously thought of UCLA great Bruce Davis and all the grittiness that he brought to our team. We are mostly on the same page, though (for the most part)...other than the boys from L.A., Mays and Price, that is. As for OLB candidates, though, I prefer Brandon Graham and Jerry Hughes over Sergio Kindle.

[hawaiiansteel]

good one, actually made me think...


1) Eric Berry FS
2) Ndamukong Suh DT
3) Gerald McCoy DT
4) Joe Haden CB
5) Rolando McClain ILB
6) Russell Okung OT
7) Brian Bulaga OT
8) Anthony Davis OT
9) Dan Williams NT
10) Earl Thomas FS
11) Jared Odrick DE
12) Sean Weatherspoon LB
13) Bruce Campbell OT
14) Brandon Graham DE/OLB
15) Mike Iupati OG
16) Terrence Cody NT
17) Maurkice Pouncey C
18) Trent Williams OT

I see we have all the same guys in our top 18, just in a slightly different order. I guess great minds think alike. :Cheers I briefly toyed with putting Berry first myself (absolutely love the guy), but Suh is amazing as well...couldn't go wrong either way. We agree that Trent Williams is the least desirable of the OT prospects (I think he'll be solid on the next level, but he may only be a RT on the next level...I think you need LT feet to be an elite prospect there).


I only listed one CB (Joe Haden) in my top 18 because there are many other CBs we can select in Rounds 2 and 3 that are also talented. the depth at the CB position is unusually deep this year and i hope we take advantage of that fact by filling another need in Round 1 and then adding some competition to the CB position opposite Ike Taylor in either Rounds 2 or 3.

As for Trent Williams, I wouldn't select a RT prospect in Round 1...those can also be found in later rounds.

[steelblood]

1. Ndamukong Suh
2. Eric Berry
3. Russell Okung
4. Rolondo McClain
5. Joe Haden
6. Anthony Davis
7. Dan Williams
8. Earl Thomas
9. Brandon Graham
10. Gerald McCoy
11. Jared Odrick
12. Bruce Campbell
13. Jerry Hughes
14. Brian Bulaga
15. Trent Williams
16. Mike Iupati
17. Maurkirce Pouncey
18. Jason Pierre-Paul

Extra Credit...
19. Ryan Matthews
20. C J Spiller
21. Terrance Cody
22. Kyle Wilson
23. Dez Bryant
24. Demaryius Thomas
25. Brandon Spikes
26. Chad Jones
27. Sean Weatherspoon
28. Darryl Washington
29. Navorro Bowman
30. Perrish Cox
31. Nate Allen
32. Taylor Mays
33. Alex Carrington
34. Torrell Troup
35. Dominique Franks
36. Sergio Kindle
37. Ricky Sapp
38. Golden Tate
39. Damian Williams
40. Koa Misi
41. Vladimir Ducasse
42. John Asamoah
43. Brandon LaFell
44. Morgan Burnett
45. Greg Hardy
46. Derrick Morgan
47. Brandon Ghee
48. Arrelious Benn
49. Willie Young
50. Reshad Jones
51. Dexter McCluster
52. Jermaine Cunningham

[RuthlessBurgher]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ERvHmCHlAXo/SfOVUuK4CnI/AAAAAAAACA4/pjl6cLshSsY/s400/showoffSm.jpg

:lol:

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

(Rubbing crystal ball...Post combine.)


1. Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
2. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
3. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
4. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
5. Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa
6. Joe Haden, CB, Florida
7. Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
8. Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
9. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
10. Sean Weatherspoon, ILB, Missouri
11. Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama (Yes, I like Weatherspoon better!)
12. CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
13. Maurkice Pouncey, C, Florida
14. Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
15. Earl Thomas, FS/CB, Texas
16. Taylor Mays, S, USC
17. Jared Odrick, DE, Penn State
18. Brandon Graham, DE/OLB, Michigan

[Oviedo]

1. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
2. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
3. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
4. Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama
5. CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
6. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
7. Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
8. Joe Haden, CB, Florida
9. Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa
10. Jared Odrick, DE, Penn State
11. Taylor Mays, S, USC
12. Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
13. Brandon Graham, DE/OLB, Michigan
14. Sean Weatherspoon, ILB, Missouri
15. Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida
16. Mike Iupati, G, Iadaho
17. Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
18. Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise State

[RuthlessBurgher]

(Rubbing crystal ball...Post combine.)


1. Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
2. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
3. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
4. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
5. Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa
6. Joe Haden, CB, Florida
7. Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
8. Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
9. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
10. Sean Weatherspoon, ILB, Missouri
11. Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama (Yes, I like Weatherspoon better!)
12. CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
13. Maurkice Pouncey, C, Florida
14. Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
15. Earl Thomas, FS/CB, Texas
16. Taylor Mays, S, USC
17. Jared Odrick, DE, Penn State
18. Brandon Graham, DE/OLB, Michigan

I like that you made the Weatherspoon over McClain statement. I don't necessarily agree with it myself, but a thread like this is good to unearth little opinion nuggets like that. Bold proclamation.

[RuthlessBurgher]

1. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
2. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
3. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
4. Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama
5. CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
6. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
7. Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
8. Joe Haden, CB, Florida
9. Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa
10. Jared Odrick, DE, Penn State
11. Taylor Mays, S, USC
12. Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
13. Brandon Graham, DE/OLB, Michigan
14. Sean Weatherspoon, ILB, Missouri
15. Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida
16. Mike Iupati, G, Iadaho
17. Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
18. Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise State

I was wondering how high you'd put Spiller. I'm surprised to see Anthony Davis behind Iupati. I don't like the Dunlap inclusion at all. Although his body type at 6'6" 280 lbs. could make him a 3-4 DE prospect (and an incredibly athletic one at that), his inconsistency, laziness, sloppy play, and overall poor intangibles make me think that he is just a bigger version of former Gator Huey Richardson.

[Oviedo]

1. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
2. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
3. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
4. Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama
5. CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
6. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
7. Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
8. Joe Haden, CB, Florida
9. Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa
10. Jared Odrick, DE, Penn State
11. Taylor Mays, S, USC
12. Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
13. Brandon Graham, DE/OLB, Michigan
14. Sean Weatherspoon, ILB, Missouri
15. Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida
16. Mike Iupati, G, Iadaho
17. Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
18. Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise State

I was wondering how high you'd put Spiller. I'm surprised to see Anthony Davis behind Iupati. I don't like the Dunlap inclusion at all. Although his body type at 6'6" 280 lbs. could make him a 3-4 DE prospect (and an incredibly athletic one at that), his inconsistency, laziness, sloppy play, and overall poor intangibles make me think that he is just a bigger version of former Gator Huey Richardson.

I was going to put Spiller #1 just to see your head explode but then realized I wouldn't be able to see that :wink:

I think Dunlap will be much better than many think. I put Iupati ahead of Davis because I think Iupati has more upside.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

(Rubbing crystal ball...Post combine.)


1. Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
2. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
3. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
4. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
5. Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa
6. Joe Haden, CB, Florida
7. Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
8. Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
9. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
10. Sean Weatherspoon, ILB, Missouri
11. Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama (Yes, I like Weatherspoon better!)
12. CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
13. Maurkice Pouncey, C, Florida
14. Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
15. Earl Thomas, FS/CB, Texas
16. Taylor Mays, S, USC
17. Jared Odrick, DE, Penn State
18. Brandon Graham, DE/OLB, Michigan

I like that you made the Weatherspoon over McClain statement. I don't necessarily agree with it myself, but a thread like this is good to unearth little opinion nuggets like that. Bold proclamation.

McClain really benefitted from having Cody in front of him. His long arms and instincts gets him around the ball at the college level. He is not a good blitzer. He gets stoned because he comes in too high. He is more of a wrap up tackler. He isn't good at changing direction and lumbers upright when he runs through traffic. He isn't good in space and will struggle in man coverage at the next level. He will be a two down LB. He will be one of those players that is ready for the field out of the gates because of instincts and experience. His upside is limited and in 2-3 years he could flatten out. I actually like Spikes better than McClain in coverage & blitzing. McClains intincts are far better than Spikes. Weatherspoon has the most upside out of the three. The sky is the limited for him because of his athleticism. McClain & Spikes will be solid starters in the NFL but Spoon, in my opinion, will be special. Derrick Brooks special.

[Oviedo]

[quote="JUST-PLAIN-NASTY":1ivw06nn](Rubbing crystal ball...Post combine.)


1. Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
2. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
3. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
4. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
5. Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa
6. Joe Haden, CB, Florida
7. Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
8. Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
9. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
10. Sean Weatherspoon, ILB, Missouri
11. Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama (Yes, I like Weatherspoon better!)
12. CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
13. Maurkice Pouncey, C, Florida
14. Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
15. Earl Thomas, FS/CB, Texas
16. Taylor Mays, S, USC
17. Jared Odrick, DE, Penn State
18. Brandon Graham, DE/OLB, Michigan

I like that you made the Weatherspoon over McClain statement. I don't necessarily agree with it myself, but a thread like this is good to unearth little opinion nuggets like that. Bold proclamation.

McClain really benefitted from having Cody in front of him. His long arms and instincts gets him around the ball at the college level. He is not a good blitzer. He gets stoned because he comes in too high. He is more of a wrap up tackler. He isn't good at changing direction and lumbers upright when he runs through traffic. He isn't good in space and will struggle in man coverage at the next level. He will be a two down LB. He will be one of those players that is ready for the field out of the gates because of instincts and experience. His upside is limited and in 2-3 years he could flatten out. I actually like Spikes better than McClain in coverage & blitzing. McClains intincts are far better than Spikes. Weatherspoon has the most upside out of the three. The sky is the limited for him because of his athleticism. McClain & Spikes will be solid starters in the NFL but Spoon, in my opinion, will be special. Derrick Brooks special.[/quote:1ivw06nn]

Too bad Brooks was a 4-3 OLB and we will never get a chance see "'Spoon" play that roll because we are stuck with the St LeBeau Memorial Defense :stirpot

[hawaiiansteel]

good one, actually made me think...


1) Eric Berry FS
2) Ndamukong Suh DT
3) Gerald McCoy DT
4) Joe Haden CB
5) Rolando McClain ILB
6) Russell Okung OT
7) Brian Bulaga OT
8) Anthony Davis OT
9) Dan Williams NT
10) Earl Thomas FS
11) Jared Odrick DE
12) Sean Weatherspoon LB
13) Bruce Campbell OT
14) Brandon Graham DE/OLB
15) Mike Iupati OG
16) Terrence Cody NT
17) Maurkice Pouncey C
18) Trent Williams OT

I see we have all the same guys in our top 18, just in a slightly different order. I guess great minds think alike. :Cheers I briefly toyed with putting Berry first myself (absolutely love the guy), but Suh is amazing as well...couldn't go wrong either way. We agree that Trent Williams is the least desirable of the OT prospects (I think he'll be solid on the next level, but he may only be a RT on the next level...I think you need LT feet to be an elite prospect there).




Mike Mayock disagrees, but then what does he know compared to us? :lol:

Raiders | Could select an offensive tackle in first round of NFL Draft


Wed, 24 Feb 2010

Jerry McDonald, of ANG Newspapers, reports NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock said he believes the Oakland Raiders could look to select an offensive tackle with their first-round pick in the NFL Draft. "I think offensive tackle becomes a primary need and I think there are four of them worth taking in the first nine or 10 picks," Mayock said. "It wouldn't surprise me to see the Raiders wind up with (Rutgers OT) Anthony X. Davis, (Oklahoma OL) Trent Williams, (Iowa OT) Bryan Bulaga, and of course, (Oklahoma State OT) Russell Okung."

[Oviedo]

good one, actually made me think...


1) Eric Berry FS
2) Ndamukong Suh DT
3) Gerald McCoy DT
4) Joe Haden CB
5) Rolando McClain ILB
6) Russell Okung OT
7) Brian Bulaga OT
8) Anthony Davis OT
9) Dan Williams NT
10) Earl Thomas FS
11) Jared Odrick DE
12) Sean Weatherspoon LB
13) Bruce Campbell OT
14) Brandon Graham DE/OLB
15) Mike Iupati OG
16) Terrence Cody NT
17) Maurkice Pouncey C
18) Trent Williams OT

I see we have all the same guys in our top 18, just in a slightly different order. I guess great minds think alike. :Cheers I briefly toyed with putting Berry first myself (absolutely love the guy), but Suh is amazing as well...couldn't go wrong either way. We agree that Trent Williams is the least desirable of the OT prospects (I think he'll be solid on the next level, but he may only be a RT on the next level...I think you need LT feet to be an elite prospect there).




Mike Mayock disagrees, but then what does he know compared to us? :lol:

Raiders | Could select an offensive tackle in first round of NFL Draft


Wed, 24 Feb 2010

Jerry McDonald, of ANG Newspapers, reports NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock said he believes the Oakland Raiders could look to select an offensive tackle with their first-round pick in the NFL Draft. "I think offensive tackle becomes a primary need and I think there are four of them worth taking in the first nine or 10 picks," Mayock said. "It wouldn't surprise me to see the Raiders wind up with (Rutgers OT) Anthony X. Davis, (Oklahoma OL) Trent Williams, (Iowa OT) Bryan Bulaga, and of course, (Oklahoma State OT) Russell Okung."

Actually it would not surprise me at all to see the Raiders go after Spiller. It is just the type of move Davis would make.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

[quote="JUST-PLAIN-NASTY":1x1xdkpc](Rubbing crystal ball...Post combine.)


1. Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
2. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
3. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
4. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
5. Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa
6. Joe Haden, CB, Florida
7. Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
8. Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
9. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
10. Sean Weatherspoon, ILB, Missouri
11. Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama (Yes, I like Weatherspoon better!)
12. CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
13. Maurkice Pouncey, C, Florida
14. Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
15. Earl Thomas, FS/CB, Texas
16. Taylor Mays, S, USC
17. Jared Odrick, DE, Penn State
18. Brandon Graham, DE/OLB, Michigan

I like that you made the Weatherspoon over McClain statement. I don't necessarily agree with it myself, but a thread like this is good to unearth little opinion nuggets like that. Bold proclamation.

McClain really benefitted from having Cody in front of him. His long arms and instincts gets him around the ball at the college level. He is not a good blitzer. He gets stoned because he comes in too high. He is more of a wrap up tackler. He isn't good at changing direction and lumbers upright when he runs through traffic. He isn't good in space and will struggle in man coverage at the next level. He will be a two down LB. He will be one of those players that is ready for the field out of the gates because of instincts and experience. His upside is limited and in 2-3 years he could flatten out. I actually like Spikes better than McClain in coverage & blitzing. McClains intincts are far better than Spikes. Weatherspoon has the most upside out of the three. The sky is the limited for him because of his athleticism. McClain & Spikes will be solid starters in the NFL but Spoon, in my opinion, will be special. Derrick Brooks special.

Too bad Brooks was a 4-3 OLB and we will never get a chance see "'Spoon" play that roll because we are stuck with the St LeBeau Memorial Defense :stirpot[/quote:1x1xdkpc]


That's a shock that you would be the guy who brought up that point! :wink:

"Derrick Brooks Special" is more about the range and the complete LB. 3 down LB that does everything. The range of a S but the run stopping of a LB. This kid in a 3-4 running clean to the ball will give OCs nightmares.

Just watch Alabama game highlights, Florida game highlights, and Mizz game highlights on youtube. Spoon is never out of a play and is very ballanced to stay on his feet. His athleticism keeps him in a play no matter how heavy the trash or players on the ground. McClain "lumbers" to the ball and I see OL getting on him and giving him problems in the NFL. He doesn't have the speed to recover coming off a block outside the tackles. Mcclain doesn't have good change of direction so he will struggle with cutback runners.
In this new NFL, that is the majority of the backs.

If he falls to the Steelers and the Steelers pick him...God, I hope I am wrong! But in all honesty, even before the combine, seeing some tape on both guys...I know who I like. The evolving league and what the Steelers ask of their LBs today...Spoon is a better fit and will be the better LB. Unless Mcclain was half ass'n it in those games and puts up some great cone times at the combine...My opinion won't change.

[Oviedo]

[quote=RuthlessBurgher][quote="JUST-PLAIN-NASTY":23cgobk4](Rubbing crystal ball...Post combine.)


1. Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
2. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
3. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
4. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
5. Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa
6. Joe Haden, CB, Florida
7. Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
8. Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
9. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
10. Sean Weatherspoon, ILB, Missouri
11. Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama (Yes, I like Weatherspoon better!)
12. CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
13. Maurkice Pouncey, C, Florida
14. Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
15. Earl Thomas, FS/CB, Texas
16. Taylor Mays, S, USC
17. Jared Odrick, DE, Penn State
18. Brandon Graham, DE/OLB, Michigan

I like that you made the Weatherspoon over McClain statement. I don't necessarily agree with it myself, but a thread like this is good to unearth little opinion nuggets like that. Bold proclamation.

McClain really benefitted from having Cody in front of him. His long arms and instincts gets him around the ball at the college level. He is not a good blitzer. He gets stoned because he comes in too high. He is more of a wrap up tackler. He isn't good at changing direction and lumbers upright when he runs through traffic. He isn't good in space and will struggle in man coverage at the next level. He will be a two down LB. He will be one of those players that is ready for the field out of the gates because of instincts and experience. His upside is limited and in 2-3 years he could flatten out. I actually like Spikes better than McClain in coverage & blitzing. McClains intincts are far better than Spikes. Weatherspoon has the most upside out of the three. The sky is the limited for him because of his athleticism. McClain & Spikes will be solid starters in the NFL but Spoon, in my opinion, will be special. Derrick Brooks special.

Too bad Brooks was a 4-3 OLB and we will never get a chance see "'Spoon" play that roll because we are stuck with the St LeBeau Memorial Defense :stirpot[/quote:23cgobk4]


That's a shock that you would be the guy who brought up that point! :wink:

"Derrick Brooks Special" is more about the range and the complete LB. 3 down LB that does everything. The range of a S but the run stopping of a LB. This kid in a 3-4 running clean to the ball will give OCs nightmares.

Just watch Alabama game highlights, Florida game highlights, and Mizz game highlights on youtube. Spoon is never out of a play and is very ballanced to stay on his feet. His athleticism keeps him in a play no matter how heavy the trash or players on the ground. McClain "lumbers" to the ball and I see OL getting on him and giving him problems in the NFL. He doesn't have the speed to recover coming off a block outside the tackles. Mcclain doesn't have good change of direction so he will struggle with cutback runners.
In this new NFL, that is the majority of the backs.

If he falls to the Steelers and the Steelers pick him...God, I hope I am wrong! But in all honesty, even before the combine, seeing some tape on both guys...I know who I like. The evolving league and what the Steelers ask of their LBs today...Spoon is a better fit and will be the better LB. Unless Mcclain was half bad word'n it in those games and puts up some great cone times at the combine...My opinion won't change.[/quote:23cgobk4]

Want to lay odds that 'Spoon get the "not stout enough against the run" label if we would have him play ILB for us and have the continued lamentation for the "great" Larry Foote.

Weatherspoon IMO does not fit ILB for us and I would rather see them grab Brandon Graham and move him to ILB. No question about "Stout" at that point.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

Want to lay odds that 'Spoon get the "not stout enough against the run" label if we would have him play ILB for us and have the continued lamentation for the "great" Larry Foote.

Weatherspoon IMO does not fit ILB for us and I would rather see them grab Brandon Graham and move him to ILB. No question about "Stout" at that point.

O...Like I said in another post to you...Moving Graham to ILB would be like moving Woodley to ILB. His specialty is getting to the QB. Spoon played off the LOS at Mizz. Graham played with his hand in the dirt and standing up at the LOS. The scouts told him inside in a 3-4 & outside weakside in a 4-3. I provided the interview on youtube and Mayock even talked about it. Farrior & Timmons aren't stout but SPoon is very stout. Did you see this guy? Did you watch the Senior Bowl? Watch some Mizz game highlights on youtube and tell me he isn't stout. He is a "sudden player". More sudden then the wrap up tackler McClain. He has explosive athleticism and it show up on tape. He covered McCluster at the Senior Bowl man-to-man out of the backfield.

[RuthlessBurgher]

good one, actually made me think...


1) Eric Berry FS
2) Ndamukong Suh DT
3) Gerald McCoy DT
4) Joe Haden CB
5) Rolando McClain ILB
6) Russell Okung OT
7) Brian Bulaga OT
8) Anthony Davis OT
9) Dan Williams NT
10) Earl Thomas FS
11) Jared Odrick DE
12) Sean Weatherspoon LB
13) Bruce Campbell OT
14) Brandon Graham DE/OLB
15) Mike Iupati OG
16) Terrence Cody NT
17) Maurkice Pouncey C
18) Trent Williams OT

I see we have all the same guys in our top 18, just in a slightly different order. I guess great minds think alike. :Cheers I briefly toyed with putting Berry first myself (absolutely love the guy), but Suh is amazing as well...couldn't go wrong either way. We agree that Trent Williams is the least desirable of the OT prospects (I think he'll be solid on the next level, but he may only be a RT on the next level...I think you need LT feet to be an elite prospect there).




Mike Mayock disagrees, but then what does he know compared to us? :lol:

Raiders | Could select an offensive tackle in first round of NFL Draft


Wed, 24 Feb 2010

Jerry McDonald, of ANG Newspapers, reports NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock said he believes the Oakland Raiders could look to select an offensive tackle with their first-round pick in the NFL Draft. "I think offensive tackle becomes a primary need and I think there are four of them worth taking in the first nine or 10 picks," Mayock said. "It wouldn't surprise me to see the Raiders wind up with (Rutgers OT) Anthony X. Davis, (Oklahoma OL) Trent Williams, (Iowa OT) Bryan Bulaga, and of course, (Oklahoma State OT) Russell Okung."

Actually it would not surprise me at all to see the Raiders go after Spiller. It is just the type of move Davis would make.

C'mon...we all know Davis will be slobbering over Taylor Mays. He's got the speed, size, strength, and athletic ability that he cannot possibly resist. He's the Darrius Heyward-Bey of the defense. DHB looks great in workouts but can't catch, so watch the Raiders draft him in the top 10 as a WR! Mays looks great in workouts but can't cover anyone and has no ball skills, so watch the Raiders draft him in the top 10 for their secondary.

[hawaiiansteel]

here's mock (Bleacher Report) that has us drafting OT Bruce Campbell...


Round One/Pick 18—Best Case Scenario—Bruce Campbell/OT/Maryland


The Steelers’ offensive line play in 2009 was abysmal to say the least. While Ben Roethlisberger can be accused of holding on to the ball too long, he hasn’t exactly had the time he needs to pass from the pocket either.

In a best-case scenario, the Steelers are looking to address the offensive line with a big-time prospect, and Maryland’s Bruce Campbell would still be on the board when they are picking at No. 18.

Campbell is a physical specimen at the left tackle position. Standing at 6'7", he has the length and reach that NFL teams salivate over when it comes to left tackles.

If Campbell has scouts salivating over his height and length, then he has them drooling over the fact that he is abnormally fit for a man of his size and football position. Weighing in at only 310 pounds, the junior has the agility and quickness of a much smaller player. (He has been timed running a sub 4.9 in the 40).

Overall, the big left tackle’s pass-blocking skills are what set him apart from the rest of the field. Having Campbell protecting Roethlisberger’s blindside would be a welcome addition to the offensive line that gave up 50 sacks last season.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

here's mock (Bleacher Report) that has us drafting OT Bruce Campbell...


Round One/Pick 18—Best Case Scenario—Bruce Campbell/OT/Maryland


The Steelers’ offensive line play in 2009 was abysmal to say the least. While Ben Roethlisberger can be accused of holding on to the ball too long, he hasn’t exactly had the time he needs to pass from the pocket either.

In a best-case scenario, the Steelers are looking to address the offensive line with a big-time prospect, and Maryland’s Bruce Campbell would still be on the board when they are picking at No. 18.

Campbell is a physical specimen at the left tackle position. Standing at 6'7", he has the length and reach that NFL teams salivate over when it comes to left tackles.

If Campbell has scouts salivating over his height and length, then he has them drooling over the fact that he is abnormally fit for a man of his size and football position. Weighing in at only 310 pounds, the junior has the agility and quickness of a much smaller player. (He has been timed running a sub 4.9 in the 40).

Overall, the big left tackle’s pass-blocking skills are what set him apart from the rest of the field. Having Campbell protecting Roethlisberger’s blindside would be a welcome addition to the offensive line that gave up 50 sacks last season.

Campbell very well could be Top 10 talent and build but his injury history pushes him down in the 1st. Some people say if he returned for his senior year and stayed healthy...He might be a Top 10 pick. He has questions on durability but not talent!

[SteelCzar76]

1. Ndamukong Suh DT
2. Gerald Mckoy DT
3. Russell Okung OT
4. Joe Haden CB
5. Eric Berry FS
6. Rolando McClain ILB
7. Anthony Davis OT
8. Taylor Mays S
9. Kyle Wilson CB
10. Dan Williams NT
11. Bruce Price DT
12. Jeff Odrick DT
13. Mike Iupati OG
14. Earl Thomas FS/CB
15. Bryan Bulaga OT
16. Trent Williams OT
17. Sergio Kindle OLB
18 Trying deperately to get out of the first round at this point,....

I think it is funny that you called UCLA's Price "Bruce" instead of "Brian"...perhaps it was a Freudian slip of some kind when you subconsciously thought of UCLA great Bruce Davis and all the grittiness that he brought to our team. We are mostly on the same page, though (for the most part)...other than the boys from L.A., Mays and Price, that is. As for OLB candidates, though, I prefer Brandon Graham and Jerry Hughes over Sergio Kindle.



LOL,....you just may right about the Freudian slip on my part Ruthless. It appears that even when the hated Bruins produce players that i would like as Steelers,....Davis comes to mind. lol

I'm with you on Graham,..the Kid was almost unstoppable at the Senior Bowl. I've been hearing alot of comparisons to Woodley whenever he's mentioned. I'm thinking the Patsies snag him at 22 unless they trade up with the Jags for Dez Bryant or someone else they've got their eyes on ? But hey who knows,..the first round hardly ever goes as anyone "plans".

I went with Kindle for my big Board because of how much Graham's skill set resembles Woodley's. Not to say that two such players is a bad thing by any means,....i just feel as though Kindle's (skill set) which is based more on natural fluid athleticism,..and tremendous speed rush ability would compliment the more powerful style of play that is almost Woodley's trademark.

As far as Hughes, to me he like Kindle is not exceptionally powerful,.....but where they differ is Hughes lacks Kindle's athleticism. He's stiff in the hips, and suffers a little in coverage and moreso against the run. But,...on the plus side he is explosive off the edge,is a sure tackler, productive and is a "high motor" kid.

I think they are very close,....but i'd personally give Kindle the edge because i believe he has a little bit more of an upside.

[hawaiiansteel]

1. Ndamukong Suh DT
2. Gerald Mckoy DT
3. Russell Okung OT
4. Joe Haden CB
5. Eric Berry FS
6. Rolando McClain ILB
7. Anthony Davis OT
8. Taylor Mays S
9. Kyle Wilson CB
10. Dan Williams NT
11. Bruce Price DT
12. Jeff Odrick DT
13. Mike Iupati OG
14. Earl Thomas FS/CB
15. Bryan Bulaga OT
16. Trent Williams OT
17. Sergio Kindle OLB
18 Trying deperately to get out of the first round at this point,....

I think it is funny that you called UCLA's Price "Bruce" instead of "Brian"...perhaps it was a Freudian slip of some kind when you subconsciously thought of UCLA great Bruce Davis and all the grittiness that he brought to our team.



LOL,....you just may right about the Freudian slip on my part Ruthless. It appears that even when the hated Bruins produce players that i would like as Steelers,....Davis comes to mind. lol





i find it hard to watch UCLA games now on tv without thinking of the immense contribution to the Steelers organization Bruce Davis made. what a great 3rd round selection that turned out to be, he was good in college but couldn't even help us on special teams as a pro.

for that very reason, I suggest we never again draft a UCLA player who has 5 letters in his first name and 5 letters in his last name. :D