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steelblood
02-18-2010, 01:33 PM
I'll start.

1. Dan Williams NT (63, 329) Tennessee
2. Chad Jones S (63 225) LSU
3. Dominique Franks CB (6 192) Oklahoma
4. Junior Gallette OLB (62, 252) Stillman
5. Andre Dixon RB (61, 202) UConn
5c. David Reed WR (61, 190) Utah
5c. Ryan Perilloux QB (63, 223) Jacksonville State
6. Sean Lissamore DE (64, 286)-William & Mary
7. Vincent Rey ILB (6, 245) Duke

If Dan Williams or Earl Thomas fell to us, I'd be thrilled. Dan Williams will be a solid pro who can stay on the field on passing downs and against 3 wide sets..

Chad Jones is a great talent. He could play FS or SS (if we ever want to move Troy). He has great ball skills and size. He is an aggressive tackler, runs well, and has good instincts.

Franks was often avoided by Big 12 offenses this season. He could develop into a solid NFL starter and can play both zone and man well.

Gallette is a dynamic speed rusher. He has great athleticism. He'd be a project at OLB, but he could immediately help as a nickel pass rusher, giving Woodley and Harrison much needed rest.

Andre Dixon runs well between the tackles. He has a good lean, great vision, and is very tough. He'll need to bulk up a bit to survive in the NFL, but he already plays like a much heavier back. He'll be able to rotate in and contribute immediately.

David Reed is my favorite player in this draft. He is a very slippery and strong runner. He has amazing body control and fights for every ball. He is not particularly fast, but he has nice size and enough quickness and intelligence to get open. I would love to see Hines take this kid under his wing. They are similar types of players.

Ryan Perilloux has NFL starter talent and size. He was kicked off LSU for missing meetings and a poor attitude. All indications are that he has matured. If continues to improve his attitude and decision-making, he could be a great pick.

Lissamore is a penetrating DT who also shows some promising natural strength. He is an effort player who would challenge Sonny Harris and others for a roster spot. I like his pass rushing skills and great effort.

Vincent Rey is an interesting talent. He runs well, has good ball skills, and is stout at the point of attack. After workouts, I expect him to move up draft boards. I watched him play once this season. On one play, he dropped into zone coverage, made a nice break and a very athletic play to snatch the ball and come up with the pick.

Jom112
02-18-2010, 01:46 PM
1st Round - Earl Thomas, S/CB, Texas
2nd Round - Vladimir Ducasse, OG/OT, UMass
3rd Round - Torrell Troup, DT, UCF
4th Round - Amari Spievey, CB, Iowa
5th Round - Ben Tate, RB, Auburn
5th Round (Comp) - Jamar Chaney, ILB, Mississippi State
5th Round (Comp) - David Reed, WR, Utah
6th Round - Sean Lissamore, DE, William & Mary
7th Round - Vincent Rey, ILB, Duke

Got bored after Round 5, so I just copied your picks :)

steelblood
02-18-2010, 02:43 PM
1st Round - Earl Thomas, S/CB, Texas
2nd Round - Vladimir Ducasse, OG/OT, UMass
3rd Round - Torrell Troup, DT, UCF
4th Round - Amari Spievey, CB, Iowa
5th Round - Ben Tate, RB, Auburn
5th Round (Comp) - Jamar Chaney, ILB, Mississippi State
5th Round (Comp) - David Reed, WR, Utah
6th Round - Sean Lissamore, DE, William & Mary
7th Round - Vincent Rey, ILB, Duke

Got bored after Round 5, so I just copied your picks :)

I'd take that. Other than Chaney, I like that group pretty well. Ducasse is probably a RT only and a year away from starting. But, I like his potential. Nice job with the later rounds :lol: . I'm assuming that is a steelers' draft given the comp picks. Where is your Bungals draft?

Here is my Bungals draft...

1. Jermaine Gresham TE Oklahoma
2. Danario Alexander WR Missouri
3. John Asamoah OG Illinois
3c. Alex Carrington DE Arkansas St
4. Jacoby Ford WR/KR Clemson
5. Ollie Ogbu DT Penn State
6. Mike Kafka QB Northwestern
7. Donald Butler LB Washington

I know they are likely getting a 3rd round comp. I don't remember if they are to get any others.

Jom112
02-18-2010, 02:54 PM
1st Round - Earl Thomas, S/CB, Texas
2nd Round - Vladimir Ducasse, OG/OT, UMass
3rd Round - Torrell Troup, DT, UCF
4th Round - Amari Spievey, CB, Iowa
5th Round - Ben Tate, RB, Auburn
5th Round (Comp) - Jamar Chaney, ILB, Mississippi State
5th Round (Comp) - David Reed, WR, Utah
6th Round - Sean Lissamore, DE, William & Mary
7th Round - Vincent Rey, ILB, Duke

Got bored after Round 5, so I just copied your picks :)

I'd take that. Other than Chaney, I like that group pretty well. Ducasse is probably a RT only and a year away from starting. But, I like his potential. Nice job with the later rounds :lol: . I'm assuming that is a steelers' draft given the comp picks. Where is your Bungals draft?

Here is my Bungals draft...

1. Jermaine Gresham TE Oklahoma
2. Danario Alexander WR Missouri
3. John Asamoah OG Illinois
3c. Alex Carrington DE Arkansas St
4. Jacoby Ford WR/KR Clemson
5. Ollie Ogbu DT Penn State
6. Mike Kafka QB Northwestern
7. Donald Butler LB Washington

I know they are likely getting a 3rd round comp. I don't remember if they are to get any others.

I like the Bengals Mock. Although I'm not big on Danario Alexander anymore. I don't think he's physical enough to play in the AFCN. Mike Kafka I like a lot as a developmental QB.

Here is my Bengals mock, that changes every minute:

1st Round - Arrelious Benn, WR, Illinois
2nd Round - Anthony McCoy, TE, USC
3rd Round - Chris Cook, CB, Virginia
3rd Round (Comp) - Terrell Skinner, S, Maryland
4th Round - Mike Williams, WR, Syracuse
5th Round - Dekoda Watson, OLB, Florida State
6th Round - Marshall Newhouse, OG, TCU
7th Round - E.J. Wilson, DE, North Carolina

steelblood
02-19-2010, 09:20 AM
1st Round - Earl Thomas, S/CB, Texas
2nd Round - Vladimir Ducasse, OG/OT, UMass
3rd Round - Torrell Troup, DT, UCF
4th Round - Amari Spievey, CB, Iowa
5th Round - Ben Tate, RB, Auburn
5th Round (Comp) - Jamar Chaney, ILB, Mississippi State
5th Round (Comp) - David Reed, WR, Utah
6th Round - Sean Lissamore, DE, William & Mary
7th Round - Vincent Rey, ILB, Duke

Got bored after Round 5, so I just copied your picks :)

I'd take that. Other than Chaney, I like that group pretty well. Ducasse is probably a RT only and a year away from starting. But, I like his potential. Nice job with the later rounds :lol: . I'm assuming that is a steelers' draft given the comp picks. Where is your Bungals draft?

Here is my Bungals draft...

1. Jermaine Gresham TE Oklahoma
2. Danario Alexander WR Missouri
3. John Asamoah OG Illinois
3c. Alex Carrington DE Arkansas St
4. Jacoby Ford WR/KR Clemson
5. Ollie Ogbu DT Penn State
6. Mike Kafka QB Northwestern
7. Donald Butler LB Washington

I know they are likely getting a 3rd round comp. I don't remember if they are to get any others.

I like the Bengals Mock. Although I'm not big on Danario Alexander anymore. I don't think he's physical enough to play in the AFCN. Mike Kafka I like a lot as a developmental QB.

Here is my Bengals mock, that changes every minute:

1st Round - Arrelious Benn, WR, Illinois
2nd Round - Anthony McCoy, TE, USC
3rd Round - Chris Cook, CB, Virginia
3rd Round (Comp) - Terrell Skinner, S, Maryland
4th Round - Mike Williams, WR, Syracuse
5th Round - Dekoda Watson, OLB, Florida State
6th Round - Marshall Newhouse, OG, TCU
7th Round - E.J. Wilson, DE, North Carolina

Considering that the Bengals have the only corners that play mostly press coverage, alexander would be fine. Hell, the Steelers will give the kid a 10 yard cushion. Ravens and Browns may be smart enough to get someone up to the line on him. I think Alexander will need to get stronger and is a developmental pick. But, he will be good. But, considering that Demaryius broke his foot, I guess I could through him in there in the second round instead.

I love E.J. Wilson. He'd be a steal in the 7th.

Mike Williams is a d*%$. You don't need him. He totally quit on his team this year. He and Matt Jones are likely to go wilding during training camp.

RuthlessBurgher
02-20-2010, 04:15 PM
This is expecting 2 fifth round compensatory selections and 1 seventh round compensatory selection.

1 OT Bruce Campbell 6'7" 310 lbs. Maryland

Extremely athletically gifted LT prospect currently touted as a mid-to-late first round prospect because he only had 17 career starts (turf toe and MCL injuries held him back this season). I expect him to shoot up into the top half of the first round after the combine once teams see how supremely talented he could be (much like how Maryland TE Vernon Davis shot up into the top 10 after an amazing combine showing).

2 C Maurkice Pouncey 6'5" 318 lbs. Florida

Best center in this draft. He also offers some positional flexibility, which might mean he comes off the board in the early 2nd round instead of lasting until our pick in the mid-second (could be a situation like last season, when we coveted a similar player in round 2, Oregon's Max Unger). One can continue to hope, though. If we don't get Pouncey this year, we could use a late first round pick next year (hopefully #32) to get a center of the future such as USC's Kris O'Dowd or PSU's Stefan Wisniewski.

3 CB Jerome Murphy 6'0" 191 lbs. South Florida

Solid size and is a big hitter for a corner. Had 8 interceptions and 17 passes defensed in his career at South Florida. Could also provide a presence on special teams.

4 FS Myron Lewis 6'2" 205 lbs. Vanderbilt

Could transition from CB in college to FS in the pros, since he is built like a safety and has demonstrating some ball-hawking ability. Had 11 interceptions and 18 passes defensed in his career at Vanderbilt.

5 ILB Micah Johnson 6'2" 254 lbs. Kentucky

Incredibly muscular physical speciman whose knee injury, which forced him to missed the college All-Star games, could possibly drop him down into the round 5 range. Has a good amount of upside. If Johnson develops as expected, in time the more athletic Lawrence Timmons could move over to the Buck to replace Farrior, and Johnson could play the Mack position (becoming a bigger and more physical version of Larry Foote).

5c. SS Myron Rolle 6'1" 217 lbs. Florida State (via Oxford)

No one will question the smarts of this Rhodes Scholar, but they may question his devotion to the game of football, since he has expressed a desire to go to medical school and open a medical clinic in his native Bahamas. Although he showed at the Senior Bowl practices that he has not lost much athleticially during his year away from football in England, lingering concerns about his commitment of the game could push him down draft boards.

5c. NT Jay Ross 6'3" 314 lbs. East Carolina

Not a flashy penetrating d-lineman, but 3-4 nose tackles are not expected to be. Even if Hampton is re-signed, we could use a young, developmental NT prospect.

6 OLB Adrian Tracy 6'3" 245 lbs. William and Mary

Had 31 sacks and 62.5 tackles for loss in his career at William and Mary, which happens to be Mike Tomlin's alma mater. Concerns about quality of the competition he faced could drop him this far. He is a developmental prospect who would take time to adapt to the speed of the pro game, but he could provides needed depth behind James Harrison and LaMarr Woodley.

7 RB Charles Scott 6'0" 234 lbs. LSU

Had an excellent junior campaign (over 1100 yards rushing and 18 TD's), but a broken collarbone ended his senior year prematurely. He was invited to the Senior Bowl, but was unable to participate after failing his physical. That collarbone injury could drop him late in the draft, where he could be a bargain pick as a backup RB and goal-line option.

7c. DE Lorenzo Washington 6'5" 290 lbs. Alabama

Has prototypical size for a 3-4 DE, and is one of the few prospect who actually played 3-4 DE in college, so his adjustment to our scheme should not be as great as it might be for some others. His lacks of sacks and tackles for losses (a total of 6 and 12, respectively, in his college career) could allow him to drop this late in the draft.

RuthlessBurgher
02-20-2010, 05:10 PM
And for the fun of it, I'll provide my first shot at a full first round mock prior to the combine:

St. Louis (1-15) Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
Detroit (2-14) Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
Tampa Bay (3-13) Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
Washington (4-12) Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame
Kansas City (4-12) Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
Seattle (5-11) Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
Cleveland (5-11) Joe Haden, CB, Florida
Oakland (5-11) Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
Buffalo (6-10) Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
Jacksonville (7-9) Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech
Denver - from Chicago (7-9) Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State
Miami (7-9) Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama
San Francisco (8-8) C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson
Seattle - from Denver (8-8) Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa
New York Giants (8-8) Brian Price, DT, UCLA
Tennessee (8-8) Jason Pierre-Paul, DE, South Florida
San Francisco - from Carolina (8-8) Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
Pittsburgh (9-7) Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
Atlanta (9-7) Everson Griffen, DE, USC
Houston (9-7) Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
Cincinnati (10-6) Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma
New England (10-6) Brandon Graham, DE/OLB, Michigan
Green Bay (11-5) Charles Brown, OT, USC
Philadelphia (11-5) Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida
Baltimore (9-7) Damian Williams, WR, USC
Arizona (10-6) Sergio Kindle, DE/OLB, Texas
Dallas (11-5) Mike Iupati, G, Idaho
San Diego (13-3) Taylor Mays, S, USC
New York Jets (9-7) Jerry Hughes, DE/OLB, TCU
Minnesota (12-4) Donovan Warren, CB, Michigan
Indianapolis (14-2) Jared Odrick, DE/DT, Penn State
New Orleans (13-3) Sean Weatherspoon, OLB, Missouri

steelblood
02-21-2010, 09:02 AM
This is expecting 2 fifth round compensatory selections and 1 seventh round compensatory selection.

1 OT Bruce Campbell 6'7" 310 lbs. Maryland

Extremely athletically gifted LT prospect currently touted as a mid-to-late first round prospect because he only had 17 career starts (turf toe and MCL injuries held him back this season). I expect him to shoot up into the top half of the first round after the combine once teams see how supremely talented he could be (much like how Maryland TE Vernon Davis shot up into the top 10 after an amazing combine showing).

2 C Maurkice Pouncey 6'5" 318 lbs. Florida

Best center in this draft. He also offers some positional flexibility, which might mean he comes off the board in the early 2nd round instead of lasting until our pick in the mid-second (could be a situation like last season, when we coveted a similar player in round 2, Oregon's Max Unger). One can continue to hope, though. If we don't get Pouncey this year, we could use a late first round pick next year (hopefully #32) to get a center of the future such as USC's Kris O'Dowd or PSU's Stefan Wisniewski.

3 CB Jerome Murphy 6'0" 191 lbs. South Florida

Solid size and is a big hitter for a corner. Had 8 interceptions and 17 passes defensed in his career at South Florida. Could also provide a presence on special teams.

4 FS Myron Lewis 6'2" 205 lbs. Vanderbilt

Could transition from CB in college to FS in the pros, since he is built like a safety and has demonstrating some ball-hawking ability. Had 11 interceptions and 18 passes defensed in his career at Vanderbilt.

5 ILB Micah Johnson 6'2" 254 lbs. Kentucky

Incredibly muscular physical speciman whose knee injury, which forced him to missed the college All-Star games, could possibly drop him down into the round 5 range. Has a good amount of upside. If Johnson develops as expected, in time the more athletic Lawrence Timmons could move over to the Buck to replace Farrior, and Johnson could play the Mack position (becoming a bigger and more physical version of Larry Foote).

5c. SS Myron Rolle 6'1" 217 lbs. Florida State (via Oxford)

No one will question the smarts of this Rhodes Scholar, but they may question his devotion to the game of football, since he has expressed a desire to go to medical school and open a medical clinic in his native Bahamas. Although he showed at the Senior Bowl practices that he has not lost much athleticially during his year away from football in England, lingering concerns about his commitment of the game could push him down draft boards.

5c. NT Jay Ross 6'3" 314 lbs. East Carolina

Not a flashy penetrating d-lineman, but 3-4 nose tackles are not expected to be. Even if Hampton is re-signed, we could use a young, developmental NT prospect.

6 OLB Adrian Tracy 6'3" 245 lbs. William and Mary

Had 31 sacks and 62.5 tackles for loss in his career at William and Mary, which happens to be Mike Tomlin's alma mater. Concerns about quality of the competition he faced could drop him this far. He is a developmental prospect who would take time to adapt to the speed of the pro game, but he could provides needed depth behind James Harrison and LaMarr Woodley.

7 RB Charles Scott 6'0" 234 lbs. LSU

Had an excellent junior campaign (over 1100 yards rushing and 18 TD's), but a broken collarbone ended his senior year prematurely. He was invited to the Senior Bowl, but was unable to participate after failing his physical. That collarbone injury could drop him late in the draft, where he could be a bargain pick as a backup RB and goal-line option.

7c. DE Lorenzo Washington 6'5" 290 lbs. Alabama

Has prototypical size for a 3-4 DE, and is one of the few prospect who actually played 3-4 DE in college, so his adjustment to our scheme should not be as great as it might be for some others. His lacks of sacks and tackles for losses (a total of 6 and 12, respectively, in his college career) could allow him to drop this late in the draft.


That would be a good draft. Bruce Campbell concerns me a bit because when I watched Maryland, they usually ran away from him. He just didn't stand out in the run game. But, his athleticism and talent are undeniable. Jay Ross, Charles Scott, and Adrian Tracy are all probably a couple rounds later than I think they'll go, but they are all good prospects. Micah Johnson in the fifth would be very good. Pouncey is a another great pick. He is going to be a very good run blocker and has plenty of experience with the spread offense.

RuthlessBurgher
02-21-2010, 11:44 AM
1. Dan Williams NT (63, 329) Tennessee
2. Chad Jones S (63 225) LSU
3. Dominique Franks CB (6 192) Oklahoma
4. Junior Gallette OLB (62, 252) Stillman
5. Andre Dixon RB (61, 202) UConn
5c. David Reed WR (61, 190) Utah
5c. Ryan Perilloux QB (63, 223) Jacksonville State
6. Sean Lissamore DE (64, 286)-William & Mary
7. Vincent Rey ILB (6, 245) Duke

Thanks for the input on my mock, blood. I like your first 3 picks. If none of the top 4 OT's that I covet are available to us at #18, then I would be happy with either Dan Williams or Earl Thomas. In the second round, I'd be happy with a safety like Nate Allen or Chad Jones (provided that we don't take Thomas in round 1, of course). And there are about a dozen or so CB's that I think are day 2 possibilities (rounds 2 & 3), and I think Franks would be a reasonable choice in round 3.

I don't know much about either of the LB's you chose (I first heard of Stillman last year when I was pimping Sammie Lee Hill as a NT prospect, and Duke isn't exactly a football factory, but perhaps Rey could be a ST demon like his fellow Dookie LB Pat Bailey). I think round 5 is the earliest that I would start looking for talent at the offensive skill positions, and Dixon and Reed appear to be solid mid-round prospects. I doubt they would draft another QB and go with Ben, Dixon, and a rookie right now (I think it is more likely that they sign a vet to go with Ben and Dixon, such as bringing back Leftwich, Batch, or someone similar). I do think it is funny that we both threw in a guy from Tomlin's alma mater. Why not, eh?

Although I picked two o-linemen early and you didn't pick any, I can't fault you for that at all. I think if we aren't able to get an elite o-line prospect early, I don't see the point in adding more bodies to the o-line with later round choices. We already seem to have plenty of bodies there, but no truly elite talent. So if we can't get someone who is potentially elite, I can't see using mid-to-late round picks there just to add more bodies there, since we should be getting Stapleton back, we likely want to see what we have in Urbik and Hills, etc.

RuthlessBurgher
02-21-2010, 11:53 AM
1st Round - Earl Thomas, S/CB, Texas
2nd Round - Vladimir Ducasse, OG/OT, UMass
3rd Round - Torrell Troup, DT, UCF
4th Round - Amari Spievey, CB, Iowa
5th Round - Ben Tate, RB, Auburn
5th Round (Comp) - Jamar Chaney, ILB, Mississippi State
5th Round (Comp) - David Reed, WR, Utah
6th Round - Sean Lissamore, DE, William & Mary
7th Round - Vincent Rey, ILB, Duke

Got bored after Round 5, so I just copied your picks :)

I think that Thomas, Troup, Spievey, Tate, Chaney, and Reed all represent value where you have them going. Like all those picks. I thought Vlad Ducasse was an interesting prospect based on his height, bulk, positional flexibility, etc. But when I saw him at the Senior Bowl practices, I wasn't all that impressed. Seems a bit high for a 1-AA guy who will need a lot of adjustment to the pro game. I won't comment on the late round picks that you ripped off from blood, you lazy bastage. :lol:

RuthlessBurgher
02-21-2010, 02:40 PM
And since we are humoring Jom in here, how about some potential Bengal picks:

1. Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma
2. Tyson Alualu, DT, California
3. Mardy Gilyard, WR, Cincinnati
3c. Major Wright, FS, Florida
4. Eric Decker, WR, Minnesota
5. Trevard Lindley, CB, Kentucky
6. Brandon Carter, G, Texas Tech
7. Brett Swenson, K, Michigan State

Steel Life
02-27-2010, 11:36 PM
Pre-Combine/Pre-Compensatory Draft
1. Dan Williams (NT) - A great compromise pick of BPA & one of need.
2. Jon Asamoah (OG) - I would convert him to center, leaving RG/RT to Urbik.
3. Toby Gerhart (RB) - A Steeler back if I've ever seen one.
4. Tony Moeaki (TE) - Best combo TE in the draft.
5. Riley Cooper (WR) - A back-up plan if Limas doesn't turn it around.
5c. Myron Lewis (DB) - Sure-tackling FS with play-making skills.
5c. Vince Oghobaase (DT) - Perfect sized DE prospect.
6. Danny Batten (OLB) - Small-school prospect with great motor & measurables.
7. Corey Peters (DL) - Under the radar DL prospect.