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hawaiiansteel
02-02-2010, 04:17 PM
LeBeau's Hall chances looking good
February 2nd, 2010

FORT LAUDERDALE — This looks like the year that Steelers defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau receives his long overdue induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

LeBeau is one of two Senior Committee nominees — Broncos running back Floyd Little is the other — and that makes him a finalist for the Hall of Fame for the first time.

The significance of "getting into the room," as it is called, is a presenter will make LeBeau’s case to the rest of the Hall of Fame voters.

Rick Gosselin of the Dallas Morning News will be able to make a strong argument that LeBeau deserves a place among the all-time greats in Canton even though the latter’s candidacy is based solely on what he did as a player.

Consider the following when it comes to LeBeau’s playing career, which spanned from 1959-72 with the Detroit Lions.

— His 62 career interceptions rank seventh (tied) on the NFL’s all-time list.

— LeBeau was second among cornerbacks in career interceptions when he retired; more than 35 years later he is third in interceptions among those who spent their entire career at cornerback.

-- LeBeau's 171 consecutive starts is still an NFL record for cornerbacks, making that another accomplishment that has stood the test of time.

-- LeBeau excelled late in his career as well as early in it; his nine interceptions in 1970 led the NFC.

Gosselin said LeBeau “slipped through the cracks” for two reasons: he didn’t play on great teams in Detroit and Hall of Fame voters have traditionally favored offensive players over defensive ones.

Gosselin said the Veterans Committee was created to correct oversights such as the omission of LeBeau from the Hall of Fame. LeBeau and the other finalists need 80 percent of the vote Saturday to get into the Hall.

Oviedo
02-02-2010, 04:31 PM
Maybe he retires and turns the reins over to Keith Butler?


Maybe that is why Keith Butler turned down the Miami job?

RuthlessBurgher
02-02-2010, 04:36 PM
He's already said he's coming back this season.

hawaiiansteel
02-02-2010, 05:54 PM
He's already said he's coming back this season.


I'm thinking LeBeau coaches one more year and then turns the defense over to Butler.

stlrz d
02-03-2010, 12:45 AM
He's already said he's coming back this season.

All hail St. LeBeau!

costanza2k1
02-03-2010, 04:39 AM
He's already said he's coming back this season.

All hail St. LeBeau!

I'm so happy he's going in as a Steeler! :Boobs :moon :lol:

hawaiiansteel
02-04-2010, 02:53 AM
Steelers' LeBeau is on cusp of immortality

By Scott Brown, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Thursday, February 4, 2010



FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — True story: Dick LeBeau once ate at least one cheeseburger for 367 consecutive days simply because he likes them.

Just as indicative — and less of an indictment — of youth is the record 171 consecutive games LeBeau played in as a cornerback for the Detroit Lions from 1959-72.

The latter streak, among other accomplishments, should help LeBeau, 72, finally gain entry into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

The Steelers' defensive coordinator is a finalist for football immortality, and if he gets voted into the Hall of Fame on Saturday, only one question will remain: What took so long?

LeBeau is third among NFL cornerbacks in career interceptions (62). He also earned a reputation as a sure tackler after the Lions essentially stumbled upon a bag of gold when they signed LeBeau in 1959.

"Oh my, was he tough," said North Huntingdon resident Bill Priatko, who roomed with LeBeau at Browns training camp in 1959 and remains close friends with him. "He'd come up as a cornerback and hit you."

LeBeau proved to be as durable as he was tough.

He didn't miss a practice or a game in the NFL until the 13th game of his 13th season, when a knee injury finally sidelined him.

That is the accomplishment LeBeau treasures most from his playing career. It is also one reason why former Browns owner Paul Brown, a legendary figure, told people that one of the biggest mistakes he ever made in football was cutting LeBeau.

What may be just as puzzling is why LeBeau isn't in the Hall of Fame, and a prevailing theory is related to what could be called the unofficial Steelers rule.

Voters have been hesitant to put too many players from the same team in the Hall, which explains why some Steelers from the 1970s haven't been inducted.

In LeBeau's case, he played in the same secondary as Dick "Night Train" Lane and Lem Barney, who are both in the Hall of Fame.

"If he didn't play with those guys," former Steelers great Rod Woodson said, "he'd be in by now."

Added Hall of Fame voter Rick Gosselin of The Dallas Morning News: "He's a classic case of why there's a senior committee."

The Hall of Fame senior committee gives voters a chance to address any oversights made with players such as LeBeau.

Gosselin will state LeBeau's case to voters Saturday, marking the first time LeBeau has made it this far in the selection process.

Not that it will be the first time someone has argued on his behalf.

So many people have decried LeBeau's omission from the Hall of Fame that it has become the NFL's cause celebre.

During his Hall of Fame induction speech last August, Woodson used his platform to push for LeBeau's induction. A year earlier, Steelers defensive players wore replicas of LeBeau's No. 44 Lions jersey to the Hall of Fame game in Canton, Ohio.

Then there is the gesture that left LeBeau "dumbfounded" in 2005.

Prior to the Steelers' regular-season finale against Detroit, he walked into the home locker room at Heinz Field and saw his No. 44 jersey hanging outside the locker of every defensive player.

"I had never heard of anything like that in the National Football League," LeBeau said. "It's so humbling. It makes you feel like you must have done something right somewhere along the line."

Players say they are fiercely devoted to LeBeau because he genuinely cares about them.

They play so hard for him, Woodson said, because disappointing LeBeau would be like doing the same to their father.

That explains why LeBeau rarely has to raise his voice to get his point across.

Outside linebacker LaMarr Woodley said he has heard LeBeau yell "one or two times" since the Steelers drafted him in 2007.

"You will never find anybody that speaks ill of Dick LeBeau," Woodson said. "I think he's loved by all of his ex-players."

The loyalty LeBeau inspires in his players is surpassed only by what he has accomplished as a coach. LeBeau's defenses have perennially been among the best in the NFL, and LeBeau is credited for creating the zone blitz.

"He deserves to be in the Hall of Fame not because of the things he's done as an assistant coach," said former Steelers running back Dick Hoak, who played against and coached with LeBeau. "That helps, but he should be in the Hall of Fame just for what he did as a player. He deserves to be in the Hall of Fame just for that."

The Steelers have won a pair of Super Bowls with LeBeau as their defensive coordinator. They might have a third ring if his innovation had not been so widely copied.

In 1995, Dallas defensive coordinator Dave Campo studied all of the film he could get of LeBeau's defense during a period in which the Cowboys struggled.

He used what he gleaned from those tapes in the Cowboys' 27-17 win over the Steelers in the 1995 Super Bowl.

"The two balls that Larry Brown (intercepted) that won the game for us were zone blitzes — his stuff," Campo said. "We hadn't shown it much, and it was just confusing for the quarterback. That was a credit to (LeBeau)."

Technically, voters can only consider LeBeau's Hall of Fame candidacy based on his credentials as a player.

But given the human element in the selection process, it's hard to imagine a body of work that spans 11 presidential administrations not counting for something.

"I'm really proud just to have gotten this far and to be nominated," said LeBeau, who is in his 52nd consecutive NFL season as a player or coach. "I'm hoping things work out."

LeBeau will have a plane waiting to take him from Pittsburgh to South Florida if he gets the long-awaited call Saturday.

The speech that would follow his election is something many have waited so long to hear.

"I get choked up talking about it," Priatko said. "I really do."

When asked if LeBeau will get emotional should he step onto a stage at the Broward County Convention Center and into immortality, Priatko said: "He probably won't admit it, but I know he will."

THE CASE FOR INDUCTION

Steelers defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau is one of 17 finalists this year for the Pro Football Hall of Fame. A Veterans Committee nominee, LeBeau needs 80 percent of the vote from the 44-person selection committee Saturday. A maximum of five modern-day and two Veterans Committee candidates can make the Hall of Fame in a given year. LeBeau has been nominated as a player, and here are his credentials:

» Intercepted 62 passes during a 14-year career (1959-72) as a cornerback for the Detroit Lions.

» Ranked third on the NFL list for career interceptions when he retired and is now tied for seventh in that category.

» Was second in career interceptions for a cornerback when he retired and is now third among players who spent their entire career at cornerback on the NFL's all-time interception list.

» Started 171 consecutive games, which is still an NFL record for a cornerback.

» In 1970, at age 33, he led the NFC with nine interceptions.

» Had 12 consecutive seasons with at least three interceptions.

» Named to the All-NFL second team four times and was a three-time Pro Bowl selection.

WHAT ARE THEY SAYING ...

Those close to Steelers defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau weigh in on him and his being a finalist for the Pro Football Hall of Fame:

"It's a tremendous honor playing for Coach LeBeau. He treats everybody the same. It's not like you're playing for a coach. He really treats you like family. Everybody's hoping that he gets that call." — Steelers outside linebacker James Harrison.

"As a player, he belongs. And as a contributor, he's the godfather with that zone (blitz) he had in Cincinnati back in the day. I just thing the right thing to do is to put him in as a player first of all. But look beyond that, the combination of 50 years in the NFL and what people like that mean to this league, they're valuable." — Former Steelers defensive back Rod Woodson, a Pro Football Hall of Famer who played four seasons for LeBeau.

"Down deep, he knows he should be there. But he's not going to make a big fuss over it if he doesn't get there. I know it means a lot to him, and he should be there. He's contributed a lot to the NFL, and there's no reason he shouldn't enjoy the fruits at the end here." — Pittsburgh native and Pro Football Hall of Famer Joe Schmidt, a teammate and later a coach of LeBeau's in Detroit.

“I would tell Dick how he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. He would smile and chuckle and say ‘Billy, who’s to say who should be there and who shouldn’t be?’ He said ‘I never worry about things I can’t control.’ He’s always been humble that way and he really means that. He would shrug it off and say how grateful he is to be around the game.” — Bill Priatko, who roomed with LeBeau at Browns training camp in 1959.

RuthlessBurgher
02-04-2010, 11:43 AM
If I could look as good at 72 as LeBeau does, I'll happily eat a cheeseburger every day for year!

Jom112
02-04-2010, 11:45 AM
He's already said he's coming back this season.

All hail St. LeBeau!

I'm so happy he's going in as a Steeler! :Boobs :moon :lol:

I thought IF he made it that he would go in as a Lion?

ikestops85
02-04-2010, 11:51 AM
It' a wonder his players show him such love when they obviously have a hard time understanding anything he tries to teach them. :stirpot :lol: :lol:

RuthlessBurgher
02-04-2010, 12:01 PM
He's already said he's coming back this season.

All hail St. LeBeau!

I'm so happy he's going in as a Steeler! :Boobs :moon :lol:

I thought IF he made it that he would go in as a Lion?

Cos2k1 is just ragging on stlrz_d, because he hates when people say "going in as" a specific team. It isn't like baseball, where a decision has to be made regarding which specific ballcap will be worn on the Hall of Fame plaque.

But, yes, since he would be going in as a player and not a coach, it should only read "Detroit Lions 1959–1972" beneath his bust. Although he was drafted by Cleveland, he was cut in camp before playing a game with them, so he was never officially a Brown.

hawaiiansteel
02-04-2010, 04:13 PM
He's already said he's coming back this season.

All hail St. LeBeau!

I'm so happy he's going in as a Steeler! :Boobs :moon :lol:

I thought IF he made it that he would go in as a Lion?

Cos2k1 is just ragging on stlrz_d, because he hates when people say "going in as" a specific team. It isn't like baseball, where a decision has to be made regarding which specific ballcap will be worn on the Hall of Fame plaque.

But, yes, since he would be going in as a player and not a coach, it should only read "Detroit Lions 1959–1972" beneath his bust. Although he was drafted by Cleveland, he was cut in camp before playing a game with them, so he was never officially a Brown.


so the Browns have been astute evaluators of talent as far back as 1959, huh? :brownssuck

RuthlessBurgher
02-04-2010, 04:27 PM
All hail St. LeBeau!

I'm so happy he's going in as a Steeler! :Boobs :moon :lol:

I thought IF he made it that he would go in as a Lion?

Cos2k1 is just ragging on stlrz_d, because he hates when people say "going in as" a specific team. It isn't like baseball, where a decision has to be made regarding which specific ballcap will be worn on the Hall of Fame plaque.

But, yes, since he would be going in as a player and not a coach, it should only read "Detroit Lions 1959–1972" beneath his bust. Although he was drafted by Cleveland, he was cut in camp before playing a game with them, so he was never officially a Brown.


so the Browns have been astute evaluators of talent as far back as 1959, huh? :brownssuck

Well, at least they knew enough to pick Jim Brown with the 6th pick in the 1957 Draft and held onto him.

We had the 5th pick in that draft, by the way, and we took Len Dawson. He also was a Hall of Famer, but not for us. After acquiring Bobby Layne in 1958, we ended up trading Dawson to Cleveland in 1959. They released him after a couple of seasons, and he went on to Hall of Fame stardom with the Chiefs shortly thereafter.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
02-06-2010, 02:01 AM
Today's the day!

Go Bad Word! Go Dirt!

anger 82&95
02-06-2010, 11:16 AM
Today's the day!

Go Bad Word! Go Dirt!
Here's how John Clayton views their chances:
(a) Dick LeBeau, longtime coach, Detroit Lions cornerback: LeBeau is one of two senior nominees who go before the board of selectors separate from the modern-day candidates. Voters simply vote yes or no. He doesn't count against the limit of five modern-day candidates. Although he is best known as the coach who invented the zone-blitz scheme, he also was a great player who finished his career with 62 interceptions.
Chances: 80 percent;
(b)Dermontti Dawson, center, Pittsburgh Steelers: Dawson was an all-decade center for the 1990s and went to seven Pro Bowls. He played 170 games over 13 seasons.
Chances: 38 percent
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/ ... id=4887462 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2009/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=4887462)

Jooser
02-06-2010, 12:25 PM
Beyond Emmitt, Rice, LeBeau, HOF decision is a crapshoot

Posted by Mike Florio on February 6, 2010 9:14 AM ET

This morning, the 44 folks who hold the keys to admission into the Hall of Fame will meet in Fort Lauderdale to determine the next class of inductees.

The results will be announced at 5:00 p.m. ET on NFL Network. (We'll be there live, posting updates from the press conference.)

The two nominees of the Seniors Committee -- Dick LeBeau and Floyd Little -- separately will be subject to an up-or-down vote. Either man will win enshrinement with an affirmative vote of 80 percent or more.

The process for the 15 Modern Era Finalists is a little more cumbersome. The list first will be cut to 10, and then it will be reduced to five. Once five finalists have been identified, a "yes" or a "no" will be cast for each man, and every one of the five whose names generate a "yes" on 80 percent or more of the ballots will be added to the Hall of Fame.

This year, two of the five finalists surely will be receiver Jerry Rice and running back Emmitt Smith, and it would be shocking if either man gets fewer than 80 percent of the final vote.

LeBeau also is expected to conjure enough votes. Though consideration technically should be confined to his playing career, the "John Madden exception" likely will cause more than enough voters to give LeBeau the nod, given his long-time contributions as a coach and innovator of the 3-4/zone blitz scheme. (Madden, who was considered for induction based on his coaching career, benefited from his years of stellar work as a broadcaster and for his role in developing the ultimate tool for perpetually converting America's youth into pro football fans -- the Madden video game franchise.)

Beyond Smith, Rice, and LeBeau, the process this year will be a crapshoot. For each man, a case can be made for, and against, enshrinement.

The other Modern Era Finalists are: receiver Tim Brown, receiver Cris Carter, coach Don Coryell, running back Roger Craig, center Dermontti Dawson, defensive end Richard Dent, offensive lineman Russ Grimm, linebacker Charles Haley, linebacker Rickey Jackson, defensive tackle Cortez Kennedy, defensive tackle John Randle, receiver Andre Reed, and tight end Shannon Sharpe.

There's a sense that Dent could have the edge as to the rest of the field, and that Carter would be the first of the receivers other than Rice. Others who have a strong chance include Sharpe, Haley, Jackson, and Coryell. Given that no "Hogs" are in the Hall of Fame, Grimm could have a good shot, too.

hawaiiansteel
02-06-2010, 02:37 PM
it's a real shame that Dirt Dawson isn't already in the Hall...

Shoe
02-06-2010, 06:42 PM
If I could look as good at 72 as LeBeau does, I'll happily eat a cheeseburger every day for year!

Seriously, the guy looks like he's in his 50's.

I can't believe it's come to this though. I suppose you could argue against him based on his playing career (maybe it's not great enough... maybe).

But with the contribution of the zone blitz, it now becomes a no-brainer. A borderline HOFer as a player who made an almost revolutionary defensive scheme = slam dunk.

stlrz d
02-07-2010, 12:16 AM
If I could look as good at 72 as LeBeau does, I'll happily eat a cheeseburger every day for year!

Seriously, the guy looks like he's in his 50's.

I can't believe it's come to this though. I suppose you could argue against him based on his playing career (maybe it's not great enough... maybe).

But with the contribution of the zone blitz, it now becomes a no-brainer. A borderline HOFer as a player who made an almost revolutionary defensive scheme = slam dunk.

He was chosen as a player by the Veteran's Committee.

fordfixer
02-07-2010, 03:12 AM
If I could look as good at 72 as LeBeau does, I'll happily eat a cheeseburger every day for year!

Seriously, the guy looks like he's in his 50's.

I can't believe it's come to this though. I suppose you could argue against him based on his playing career (maybe it's not great enough... maybe).

But with the contribution of the zone blitz, it now becomes a no-brainer. A borderline HOFer as a player who made an almost revolutionary defensive scheme = slam dunk.

He was chosen as a player by the Veteran's Committee.

So He is going in as a lion :?: :lol: