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hawaiiansteel
02-02-2010, 12:22 AM
Steelers will have overall picks:

#18 in Round 1
#52 in Round 2
#82 in Round 3

Picks in rounds 4-7 to be determined by compensatory picks which are usually announced in late March.

Oviedo
02-02-2010, 08:56 AM
That would equate to:

#18 in Round 1: CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
#52 in Round 2 (Trade up): Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida
#82 in Round 3: Larry Asante, S, Nebraska

All we have heard is running the ball more this season. Guess what. You need running backs to do that. We have one. Spiller would be absolutely awesome in all phase of the offensive game plus special teams.

Mister Pittsburgh
02-02-2010, 09:10 AM
Steelers will have overall picks:

#18 in Round 1
#52 in Round 2
#82 in Round 3

Picks in rounds 4-7 to be determined by compensatory picks which are usually announced in late March.

18+32=50 so why are we saying 52? It would be 18-50-82....wouldn't it?

Oviedo
02-02-2010, 09:38 AM
Steelers will have overall picks:

#18 in Round 1
#52 in Round 2
#82 in Round 3

Picks in rounds 4-7 to be determined by compensatory picks which are usually announced in late March.

18+32=50 so why are we saying 52? It would be 18-50-82....wouldn't it?

Because we are tied with a group three other teams (can'rt recall who) and of those teams we get the first pick in Round 1 and then in Round 2 we drop to the third pick of that group and in Round 3 we get the second pick of that group of three teams.

SidSmythe
02-02-2010, 10:12 AM
That would equate to:

#18 in Round 1: CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
#52 in Round 2 (Trade up): Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida
#82 in Round 3: Larry Asante, S, Nebraska

All we have heard is running the ball more this season. Guess what. You need running backs to do that. We have one. Spiller would be absolutely awesome in all phase of the offensive game plus special teams.

This is NOT an excellent Mock Draft ... as a matter of fact, it sucks!! :lol:

Running Back is the easiest position to find in a later round. We've neglected the O-Line once again ... pretty hard to run the ball when your run blocking is weak. Take a look at the Jets O-Line and their running game. Thomas Jones & Shonn Greene (3rd rounder).
What are we going to trade up to get Spikes??

pfelix73
02-02-2010, 10:23 AM
Disagree with the OL again. We are fine at OL as we're getting some depth there too with Foster, Legursky, and Stapleton coming back. Then you got last year's 3rd round pick in Urbik.

Sure that G/C from Idaho is intriguing, but I'm not so sure he is there at 18 anyways. Depending on what happens with Colon (probably get offered a contract), we could look at a T somewhere, but we need help on the defensive side of the ball.

S, CB, LB, DL will be the 18th pick. IMO. How about Graham from Michigan? Great Sr. Bowl game.

:tt1

Oviedo
02-02-2010, 10:47 AM
That would equate to:

#18 in Round 1: CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
#52 in Round 2 (Trade up): Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida
#82 in Round 3: Larry Asante, S, Nebraska

All we have heard is running the ball more this season. Guess what. You need running backs to do that. We have one. Spiller would be absolutely awesome in all phase of the offensive game plus special teams.

This is NOT an excellent Mock Draft ... as a matter of fact, it sucks!! :lol:

Running Back is the easiest position to find in a later round. We've neglected the O-Line once again ... pretty hard to run the ball when your run blocking is weak. Take a look at the Jets O-Line and their running game. Thomas Jones & Shonn Greene (3rd rounder).
What are we going to trade up to get Spikes??

New OL Coach will get a year to work with what he has. Very unlikely they go OL when they have just estended pretty much the entire OL and can reatain Colon for probably two more years since the CBA is out the window. Drafting a OL in Round 1 would be a waste. Who are they pushing out of the line up? Get over the angst about the OL. The front office and the coaches don't feel as bad about them as the fans. That hasn't chaged in 4-5 years and won't this year either.

Spiller will provide the biggest impact of any player in Round 1 in all phases of the offense plus special teams. He would be our Joe Cribbs, Percy Harvin, Reggie Bush. We have nothing at the RB position beyond Mendy and if we are going to run the ball more we need quality not quantity.

All we ever hear about on this board is how our #1 picks suck and don't do anything and the one chance we have to get a real impact player in multiple phases of the game everyone wants to draft a 2-3 year project.

BigLebowski
02-02-2010, 11:58 AM
That would equate to:

#18 in Round 1: CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
#52 in Round 2 (Trade up): Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida
#82 in Round 3: Larry Asante, S, Nebraska

All we have heard is running the ball more this season. Guess what. You need running backs to do that. We have one. Spiller would be absolutely awesome in all phase of the offensive game plus special teams.

...

Spiller will provide the biggest impact of any player in Round 1 in all phases of the offense plus special teams. He would be our Joe Cribbs, Percy Harvin, Reggie Bush. We have nothing at the RB position beyond Mendy and if we are going to run the ball more we need quality not quantity.

...

I would be very happy with Spiller. He has the hands FWP never had, and he can return kicks. So while he brings his explosiveness to the offense, we don't need to save a roster spot for a KR/PR.

I don't think he will fall to us though at 18. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

NW Steeler
02-02-2010, 12:12 PM
Disagree with the OL again. We are fine at OL as we're getting some depth there too with Foster, Legursky, and Stapleton coming back. Then you got last year's 3rd round pick in Urbik.

Sure that G/C from Idaho is intriguing, but I'm not so sure he is there at 18 anyways. Depending on what happens with Colon (probably get offered a contract), we could look at a T somewhere, but we need help on the defensive side of the ball.

S, CB, LB, DL will be the 18th pick. IMO. How about Graham from Michigan? Great Sr. Bowl game.

:tt1

We might have bodies for depth, but we are seriously lacking in talent. We need to add some talent to the line. If the BPA at #18 is an OL, then they should draft him. Then again, I wouldn't have an issue with Thomas, Odrick or Weatherspoon either.

Oviedo
02-02-2010, 12:29 PM
Disagree with the OL again. We are fine at OL as we're getting some depth there too with Foster, Legursky, and Stapleton coming back. Then you got last year's 3rd round pick in Urbik.

Sure that G/C from Idaho is intriguing, but I'm not so sure he is there at 18 anyways. Depending on what happens with Colon (probably get offered a contract), we could look at a T somewhere, but we need help on the defensive side of the ball.

S, CB, LB, DL will be the 18th pick. IMO. How about Graham from Michigan? Great Sr. Bowl game.

:tt1

We might have bodies for depth, but we are seriously lacking in talent. We need to add some talent to the line. If the BPA at #18 is an OL, then they should draft him. Then again, I wouldn't have an issue with Thomas, Odrick or Weatherspoon either.

As an observer of the process I honestly believe that the Steelers salary cap structure and the per position allocation of dollars to position is structured that we will not pay Round 1 money to an OLman and tie up those dollars for that position.

I believe that this will remain the policy until a rookie salary structure is put into place. That is why we have not seen Round 1 picks spent on the OL. There is IMO a clear organizational strategy that they will develop OL and then pay those who are successful on their second contract versus tieing up significant cap space on untested rookie linemen, especially a pick as high as #18.

NW Steeler
02-02-2010, 12:48 PM
That is a pretty logical explanation Oviedo. But the emphasis that ownership has apparently put on an ability to run the ball with authority would lead me to believe that they see that they are in need of some top-tier talent on their O-line. The Steelers have always had one or two perennial Pro Bowlers on their line. They haven't had one since Faneca and Hartings left. And their running game has fallen off precipitously since then. They need to invest there for the future. You can develop back-ups and possibly even future replacements, but they need to draft starting quality guys. The current group is certainly serviceable, but C, RG and RT could all be upgraded IMO.

papillon
02-02-2010, 12:52 PM
No offensive side of the ball players until the third round; the Steelers do not need two 1st round draft picks to run the ball effectively. A good solid work horse back to spell Mendenhall selected in the 3rd round or later is fine, rounds one and two have to help the defensive side of the ball.

Pappy

Oviedo
02-02-2010, 12:52 PM
That is a pretty logical explanation Oviedo. But the emphasis that ownership has apparently put on an ability to run the ball with authority would lead me to believe that they see that they are in need of some top-tier talent on their O-line. The Steelers have always had one or two perennial Pro Bowlers on their line. They haven't had one since Faneca and Hartings left. And their running game has fallen off precipitously since then. They need to invest there for the future. You can develop back-ups and possibly even future replacements, but they need to draft starting quality guys. The current group is certainly serviceable, but C, RG and RT could all be upgraded IMO.

The new OL coach was part of the solution to running the ball better versus Larry Z'z zone blocking scheme. Kugler will be given a chance to show whathe can do with what they already have plus probably a mid round pick or two. He was picked because he made something out of nothing in Buffalo.

NW Steeler
02-02-2010, 12:57 PM
Could be. But I think that the Steelers Oline is already greater than the sum of their parts. They need some new shiny parts.
That said, they could go in about 10 different directions come draft day.

Mister Pittsburgh
02-02-2010, 01:06 PM
Steelers will have overall picks:

#18 in Round 1
#52 in Round 2
#82 in Round 3

Picks in rounds 4-7 to be determined by compensatory picks which are usually announced in late March.

18+32=50 so why are we saying 52? It would be 18-50-82....wouldn't it?

Because we are tied with a group three other teams (can'rt recall who) and of those teams we get the first pick in Round 1 and then in Round 2 we drop to the third pick of that group and in Round 3 we get the second pick of that group of three teams.

Seems like BS. Use the tie breakers same you would for the playoffs.

RuthlessBurgher
02-02-2010, 01:06 PM
That is a pretty logical explanation Oviedo. But the emphasis that ownership has apparently put on an ability to run the ball with authority would lead me to believe that they see that they are in need of some top-tier talent on their O-line. The Steelers have always had one or two perennial Pro Bowlers on their line. They haven't had one since Faneca and Hartings left. And their running game has fallen off precipitously since then. They need to invest there for the future. You can develop back-ups and possibly even future replacements, but they need to draft starting quality guys. The current group is certainly serviceable, but C, RG and RT could all be upgraded IMO.

The new OL coach was part of the solution to running the ball better versus Larry Z'z zone blocking scheme. Kugler will be given a chance to show whathe can do with what they already have plus probably a mid round pick or two. He was picked because he made something out of nothing in Buffalo.

Kugler turned two rookies, drafted with the 28th and 51st picks overall in the draft last year, and made them into contributing players from the start. Perhaps our team noticed that, and would be willing to give him another high pick (18th and/or 52nd) to turn into a contributing performer on the o-line this year as well.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
02-02-2010, 01:09 PM
That is a pretty logical explanation Oviedo. But the emphasis that ownership has apparently put on an ability to run the ball with authority would lead me to believe that they see that they are in need of some top-tier talent on their O-line. The Steelers have always had one or two perennial Pro Bowlers on their line. They haven't had one since Faneca and Hartings left. And their running game has fallen off precipitously since then. They need to invest there for the future. You can develop back-ups and possibly even future replacements, but they need to draft starting quality guys. The current group is certainly serviceable, but C, RG and RT could all be upgraded IMO.

The new OL coach was part of the solution to running the ball better versus Larry Z'z zone blocking scheme. Kugler will be given a chance to show whathe can do with what they already have plus probably a mid round pick or two. He was picked because he made something out of nothing in Buffalo.
That's for sure. How can you "not like" what Koogs did in Buffalo last year. I'm hoping he could speed up the development of Urbik, Legursky, Foster, & Hills. I think having him on board will account for some upgrades on the OL. We have seen Hartwig's & Essex's ceiling...Someone else needs to surpass it.

SteelAbility
02-02-2010, 04:51 PM
That would equate to:

#18 in Round 1: CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
#52 in Round 2 (Trade up): Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida
#82 in Round 3: Larry Asante, S, Nebraska

All we have heard is running the ball more this season. Guess what. You need running backs to do that. We have one. Spiller would be absolutely awesome in all phase of the offensive game plus special teams.

This is NOT an excellent Mock Draft ... as a matter of fact, it sucks!! :lol:

Running Back is the easiest position to find in a later round. We've neglected the O-Line once again ... pretty hard to run the ball when your run blocking is weak. Take a look at the Jets O-Line and their running game. Thomas Jones & Shonn Greene (3rd rounder).
What are we going to trade up to get Spikes??

Limas Sweed of course. :P

Jom112
02-02-2010, 05:30 PM
Steelers will have overall picks:

#18 in Round 1
#52 in Round 2
#82 in Round 3

Picks in rounds 4-7 to be determined by compensatory picks which are usually announced in late March.

The #82 pick I think is actually the 81st pick in the draft because the Redskins lose their 3rd round pick for selecting Jeremy Jarmon in the supplemental draft...

hawaiiansteel
02-02-2010, 05:58 PM
Steelers will have overall picks:

#18 in Round 1
#52 in Round 2
#82 in Round 3

Picks in rounds 4-7 to be determined by compensatory picks which are usually announced in late March.

The #82 pick I think is actually the 81st pick in the draft because the Redskins lose their 3rd round pick for selecting Jeremy Jarmon in the supplemental draft...


Jarmon picked in third round
ESPN.com news services

The Washington Redskins selected defensive lineman Jeremy Jarmon in the third round of the NFL supplemental draft.

Five teams put in fourth-round claims for the 6-foot-3, 278-pound defensive end, a source told ESPN.com's John Clayton. The Redskins have five remaining draft choices in the 2010 draft. They are now without third- and sixth-round picks.

The Redskins added depth to their defensive line with the selection of Jeremy Jarmon.
Jarmon, the only player selected in the draft, is only the fourth supplemental choice on an active roster this year. The Chargers have two -- defensive tackle Jamal Williams and safety Paul Oliver -- and the Ravens have one -- left tackle Jared Gaither. Jarmon is the first supplemental pick selected since 2007.

The Redskins needed to look for a young defensive end because they have too much age at the left end spot of their defensive line. Phillip Daniels is 36 and Renaldo Wynn is 34. The Redskins can develop Jarmon over the next year to take over the starting job and maybe help at defensive tackle on passing downs.

Jarmon left Kentucky after he was declared ineligible for his senior year because of a failed drug test in which he tested positive for a banned diuretic supplement.

He fits perfectly in a 4-3 defense. He can play end or tackle.

Jarmon took the supplement while recovering from a shoulder injury and was not taking part in activities. He had been taking the supplement for 15 days before checking with the training staff, who told him to stop taking it.

"But it was too late," Jarmon said, reading from a prepared statement in May.

Jarmon said his goal in the offseason was to become leaner. He bought a dietary supplement while shopping for vitamins on the recommendation of a worker at a nutrition store, not knowing that it contained a banned substance.

"I do not need to cheat to be successful," he said.

Jarmon has the third-most sacks in Kentucky history. He was an honorable mention on last season's AP All-Southeastern Conference team.

steelz09
02-02-2010, 06:18 PM
If we draft a running back in the 1st round regardless of if it's spiller or not, i will shut down this site then jump off the tallest bridge I can find.

You can find quality backs later in the draft. VERY good quality. I don't care if you have AP back there, if the o-line can't run block, it doesn't matter.

In addition, Arians can't utilize the weapons we have now, let alone another running back. That was very apparent last year wasn't it? Mendenhall didn't even see the carries that he should have let alone FWP rotating in more often.

We need a quality backup, not a first round RB. Complete waste of a draft pick in my opinion.

steelblood
02-02-2010, 06:26 PM
That would equate to:

#18 in Round 1: CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
#52 in Round 2 (Trade up): Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida
#82 in Round 3: Larry Asante, S, Nebraska

All we have heard is running the ball more this season. Guess what. You need running backs to do that. We have one. Spiller would be absolutely awesome in all phase of the offensive game plus special teams.

Asante would help on special teams, but if Troy is healthy, he'll never see the field as he is a SS only.

hawaiiansteel
02-02-2010, 08:46 PM
[quote=hawaiiansteel]Steelers will have overall picks:

#18 in Round 1
#52 in Round 2
#82 in Round 3

Picks in rounds 4-7 to be determined by compensatory picks which are usually announced in late March.

18+32=50 so why are we saying 52? It would be 18-50-82....wouldn't it?

Because we are tied with a group three other teams (can'rt recall who) and of those teams we get the first pick in Round 1 and then in Round 2 we drop to the third pick of that group and in Round 3 we get the second pick of that group of three teams.

Seems like BS. Use the tie breakers same you would for the playoffs.[/quote:1icmzw7c]



this is the order for the first two rounds:

First round


1 St. Louis
2 Detroit
3 Tampa Bay
4 Washington
5 Kansas City
6 Seattle
7 Cleveland
8 Oakland
9 Buffalo
10/11 Jacksonville
10/11 Denver (from Chicago)
12 Miami
13 San Francisco
14 Seattle (from Denver)
15 New York Giants
16/17 Tennessee
16/17 San Francisco (from Carolina)
18 Pittsburgh :tt1
19/20 Atlanta
19/20 Houston
21 Cincinnati
22 New England
23 Green Bay
24 Philadelphia
25 Baltimore
26 Arizona
27 Dallas
28 San Diego
29 New York Jets
30 Minnesota
31P New Orleans
32P Indianapolis


Second round


33 St. Louis
34 Detroit
35 Tampa Bay
36 Kansas City
37 Washington
38 Cleveland
39 Oakland
40 Seattle
41 Buffalo
42/44 New England (from Jacksonville)
43 Miami
42/44 Tampa Bay (from Chicago)
45 Denver
46 New York Giants
47/48 Carolina
47/48 New England (from Tennessee)
49 San Francisco
50/51 Kansas City (from Atlanta)
50/51 Houston
52 Pittsburgh :tt2
53 New England
54 Cincinnati
55 Philadelphia
56 Green Bay
57 Baltimore
58 Arizona
59 Dallas
60 San Diego
61 New York Jets
62 Minnesota
63P New Orleans
64P Indianapolis

Oviedo
02-03-2010, 09:28 AM
That would equate to:

#18 in Round 1: CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
#52 in Round 2 (Trade up): Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida
#82 in Round 3: Larry Asante, S, Nebraska

All we have heard is running the ball more this season. Guess what. You need running backs to do that. We have one. Spiller would be absolutely awesome in all phase of the offensive game plus special teams.

Asante would help on special teams, but if Troy is healthy, he'll never see the field as he is a SS only.

Even if Troy was hurt, I doubt he would be trusted to play as a rookie in our defense.

RuthlessBurgher
02-03-2010, 10:44 AM
That would equate to:

#18 in Round 1: CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
#52 in Round 2 (Trade up): Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida
#82 in Round 3: Larry Asante, S, Nebraska

All we have heard is running the ball more this season. Guess what. You need running backs to do that. We have one. Spiller would be absolutely awesome in all phase of the offensive game plus special teams.

Asante would help on special teams, but if Troy is healthy, he'll never see the field as he is a SS only.

Even if Troy was hurt, I doubt he would be trusted to play as a rookie in our defense.

Whew...thanks for reminding me...I almost forgot what your opinion was concerning rookies and a LeBeau defense. Why even suggest trading up for Spikes in round 2 and drafting Asante in round 3? We already know that they will never be able to play in "Saint" LeBeau's defense as a rookie, so why even bother drafting them if all that they will do is sit on the bench all year? We should just draft all offensive players every year, and just stock our defense with free agents, since they are the only ones who will be able to figure out this defensives playbook that is somewhere between "A Beautiful Mind" and "Good Will Hunting" in complexity.

NW Steeler
02-03-2010, 12:14 PM
Joking or not, this "don't draft this guy or that guy because they won't play as a rookie" is getting old. If we did that, we wouldn't have Woodley, Timmons, Troy, etc. and so on. This team builds with the future in mind.

RuthlessBurgher
02-03-2010, 12:16 PM
Joking or not, this "don't draft this guy or that guy because they won't play as a rookie" is getting old. If we did that, we wouldn't have Woodley, Timmons, Troy, etc. and so on. This team builds with the future in mind.

That's a novel idea! Draft the best player! Not just the player who will be able to play the most starting one week 1 of his rookie season! You may be on to something there... :wink:

NW Steeler
02-03-2010, 12:38 PM
I have an innovative mind, what can I say?? :lol:

Oviedo
02-03-2010, 01:20 PM
Joking or not, this "don't draft this guy or that guy because they won't play as a rookie" is getting old. If we did that, we wouldn't have Woodley, Timmons, Troy, etc. and so on. This team builds with the future in mind.

That's a novel idea! Draft the best player! Not just the player who will be able to play the most starting one week 1 of his rookie season! You may be on to something there... :wink:

OK now you guys are confusing me. I've read nothing since the season ended that we have to draft a defensive player in Round 1 not the best player. So if CJ Spiller is available we can draft him because he is the best player or do we pass on the best player because he plays on offense or because we drafted a RB two years ago to get the potential best defensive player? Then again we really won't draft the best defensive player because he may not project into the 3-4 defense, e.g. 6'5" 260 lbs 4-3 DEs. Doesn't that mean we really aren't really taking the best player or even the best player on defense? I guess I'm just not smart enough to figure this out so I'll just trust that Troy and Aaron will be back and everything on the defense will be fixed by that alone. :? :? :? :? :?

birtikidis
02-03-2010, 03:10 PM
BPA available is dependent on our draft board, not necassarily mel kipers or your draft boards. for instant if the #1 qb was their we probably wouldn't draft him because on our board we probably wouldn't even have had him listed. I remember reading somewhere that Tomlin didn't even have mendenhall on our board because they expected him to be a top 15 pick.

hawaiiansteel
02-03-2010, 05:10 PM
I would not be surprised if our #1 draft choice this year was a:

1) S Earl Thomas, Taylor Mays
2) NT/DE Dan Williams, Brian Price, Jared Odrick
3) OT/G Bryan Bulaga, Anthony Davis, Trent Williams, Bruce Campbell, Mike Iupati
4) LB Sean Weatherspoon, Brandon Graham
5) RB C J Spiller

Oviedo
02-03-2010, 05:38 PM
I would not be surprised if our #1 draft choice this year was a:

1) S Earl Thomas, Taylor Mays
2) NT/DE Dan Williams, Brian Price, Jared Odrick
3) OT/G Bryan Bulaga, Anthony Davis, Trent Williams, Bruce Campbell, Mike Iupati
4) LB Sean Weatherspoon, Brandon Graham
5) RB C J Spiller

Obviously if he was at #18 I wouldn't hesitate to take Spiller, but equally I would take Brandon Graham immediately to take over from Farrior if he proves he can play in space. Guy is pure power and would be great inside run stopper and blitzer.

Shawn
02-03-2010, 06:53 PM
That would equate to:

#18 in Round 1: CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
#52 in Round 2 (Trade up): Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida
#82 in Round 3: Larry Asante, S, Nebraska

All we have heard is running the ball more this season. Guess what. You need running backs to do that. We have one. Spiller would be absolutely awesome in all phase of the offensive game plus special teams.

I think I would impale myself with a butter knife if the draft plays out that way.

Shawn
02-03-2010, 06:55 PM
If we don't sign Hampton and Clark I would bet serious money we draft

Cody (not sure he's a Steeler guy but might be too much literally and figuratively to pass up)
Williams-harder worker...better leader but less upside than Cody. More of a Steeler guy...and the closer we get the more I believe he will be the pick.
Thomas...no brainer if he is there...but not sure he will be.

Dee Dub
02-03-2010, 08:54 PM
Trade down! Trade Down! Trade down!

Tampa Bay has 2 second round picks.

2-- (#35) Jared Odrick DT
2---(#44) Daryl Washington ILB
2---(#52) Chad Jones FS
3---(#82) John Asamoah OG
4---(#115) Kyle Calloway OT
5---(#152) Matt Tennant C

Dee Dub
02-03-2010, 09:00 PM
Obviously if he was at #18 I wouldn't hesitate to take Spiller, but equally I would take Brandon Graham immediately to take over from Farrior if he proves he can play in space. Guy is pure power and would be great inside run stopper and blitzer.

Why on God's Green Earth would we ever use #18 on a player (Spiller), who will be used sparringly in year one and wont even be a starter in year two or three?

No frickin way!!!!

Dee Dub
02-03-2010, 09:04 PM
If we draft a running back in the 1st round regardless of if it's spiller or not, i will shut down this site then jump off the tallest bridge I can find.

You can find quality backs later in the draft. VERY good quality. I don't care if you have AP back there, if the o-line can't run block, it doesn't matter.

In addition, Arians can't utilize the weapons we have now, let alone another running back. That was very apparent last year wasn't it? Mendenhall didn't even see the carries that he should have let alone FWP rotating in more often.

We need a quality backup, not a first round RB. Complete waste of a draft pick in my opinion.

Amen!! I am with you 100%

hawaiiansteel
02-04-2010, 01:59 AM
Trade down! Trade Down! Trade down!

Tampa Bay has 2 second round picks.

2-- (#35) Jared Odrick DT
2---(#44) Daryl Washington ILB
2---(#52) Chad Jones FS
3---(#82) John Asamoah OG
4---(#115) Kyle Calloway OT
5---(#152) Matt Tennant C



this is a good year to trade down, we have many needs that need to be addressed. I like your mock, only thing I would do a little differently is to draft a CB at #82 instead of an OG...we already have Kemo, Essex, Foster, Stapleton, Urbik and Legursky there.

Oviedo
02-04-2010, 09:05 AM
That would equate to:

#18 in Round 1: CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
#52 in Round 2 (Trade up): Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida
#82 in Round 3: Larry Asante, S, Nebraska

All we have heard is running the ball more this season. Guess what. You need running backs to do that. We have one. Spiller would be absolutely awesome in all phase of the offensive game plus special teams.

I think I would impale myself with a butter knife if the draft plays out that way.

Got to do what you got to do. A blunt wooden stake about 7 feet long is the traditional method. Let us know how it goes for you or if you need any help.

Great having your open minded approach back on the board. :wink:

Shawn
02-04-2010, 12:21 PM
That would equate to:

#18 in Round 1: CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
#52 in Round 2 (Trade up): Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida
#82 in Round 3: Larry Asante, S, Nebraska

All we have heard is running the ball more this season. Guess what. You need running backs to do that. We have one. Spiller would be absolutely awesome in all phase of the offensive game plus special teams.

I think I would impale myself with a butter knife if the draft plays out that way.

Got to do what you got to do. A blunt wooden stake about 7 feet long is the traditional method. Let us know how it goes for you or if you need any help.

Great having your open minded approach back on the board. :wink:

It won't happen so I think my entrails are safe for now. :lol:

I'm open minded but we won't draft Spiller...there will be great talent at #18 and we won't have to spend a #1 pick on a back up running back. In my opinion that would be foolish unless we were solid elsewhere. We are coming off a 9-7 season where our D is aging and has serious holes. I just don't see it happening. But, I have been wrong before and I'll be wrong again. If we draft Spiller you will have alot of suicidal Steeler fans...I do know that much. :D

Iron Shiek
02-04-2010, 01:23 PM
well according to jhansle...we won't have a planet to come to vent about Spiller being picked because he's apparently pulling the plug and jumping off a building.

Thanks j...now if we pick him I will have serious worries. :x

Oviedo
02-04-2010, 01:30 PM
well according to jhansle...we won't have a planet to come to vent about Spiller being picked because he's apparently pulling the plug and jumping off a building.

Thanks j...now if we pick him I will have serious worries. :x

Like I said folks need to do what they have to do.

Spiller is anything but a long term back up. He becomes your primary returner for both punts and kick offs, gets carries giving Mendy a breather and gets catches out of the backfield or playing in the slot which he is fiully capable of doing.

It is easy to say that he could very easily get more touches in a game than Hines or Santonio. Start thinking in those terms not looking at the two letters behind his name, i.e. "RB."

You guys needs to start thinking outside the box and not pidgeon hole players into roles. Like I have long said Spiller will have as much an impact with whatever team gets him as any player in Round 1 because he will do so many things that allow him to get his hands on the ball more than most players.

Iron Shiek
02-04-2010, 01:36 PM
I agree with you actually. I wouldn't be too upset over Spiller getting picked. I guess it just depends on what is available when we pick (or several picks ahead of us in case we want to trade up).

But the most I get into the draft is reading up on the players and hearing you all argue over them. I have no idea what the best needs are for the team because I don't work with Art II or Coach Tomlin or Colbert. Which is why I hardly ever comment on Draft threads or make mocks.

But its definitely fun seeing everyone else's thoughts on the draft.

RuthlessBurgher
02-04-2010, 02:38 PM
Trade down! Trade Down! Trade down!

Tampa Bay has 2 second round picks.

2-- (#35) Jared Odrick DT
2---(#44) Daryl Washington ILB
2---(#52) Chad Jones FS
3---(#82) John Asamoah OG
4---(#115) Kyle Calloway OT
5---(#152) Matt Tennant C

Why would Tampa want to trade up, though? They need as many good players as they can get. I think they would prefer to stay put with the 3rd overall pick, plus the 3rd and 10th pick in round #2, than to have two first rounders and no second rounders.

hawaiiansteel
02-04-2010, 02:44 PM
I agree with you actually. I wouldn't be too upset over Spiller getting picked. I guess it just depends on what is available when we pick (or several picks ahead of us in case we want to trade up).

But the most I get into the draft is reading up on the players and hearing you all argue over them. I have no idea what the best needs are for the team because I don't work with Art II or Coach Tomlin or Colbert. Which is why I hardly ever comment on Draft threads or make mocks.

But its definitely fun seeing everyone else's thoughts on the draft.



who says you need to know what you're talking about in order to post here? :lol:

Shawn
02-04-2010, 02:48 PM
I agree with you actually. I wouldn't be too upset over Spiller getting picked. I guess it just depends on what is available when we pick (or several picks ahead of us in case we want to trade up).

But the most I get into the draft is reading up on the players and hearing you all argue over them. I have no idea what the best needs are for the team because I don't work with Art II or Coach Tomlin or Colbert. Which is why I hardly ever comment on Draft threads or make mocks.

But its definitely fun seeing everyone else's thoughts on the draft.



who says you need to know what you're talking about in order to post here? :lol:

Never stopped me from posting. :D

hawaiiansteel
02-04-2010, 03:08 PM
I agree with you actually. I wouldn't be too upset over Spiller getting picked. I guess it just depends on what is available when we pick (or several picks ahead of us in case we want to trade up).

But the most I get into the draft is reading up on the players and hearing you all argue over them. I have no idea what the best needs are for the team because I don't work with Art II or Coach Tomlin or Colbert. Which is why I hardly ever comment on Draft threads or make mocks.

But its definitely fun seeing everyone else's thoughts on the draft.



who says you need to know what you're talking about in order to post here? :lol:

Never stopped me from posting. :D


me neither... :Cheers

Iron Shiek
02-04-2010, 03:41 PM
Of course! By all means...talk away. I don't expect you to know what you are talking about...and frankly...I don't think any of you do anyway! :moon

:D

Dee Dub
02-04-2010, 09:18 PM
Trade down! Trade Down! Trade down!

Tampa Bay has 2 second round picks.

2-- (#35) Jared Odrick DT
2---(#44) Daryl Washington ILB
2---(#52) Chad Jones FS
3---(#82) John Asamoah OG
4---(#115) Kyle Calloway OT
5---(#152) Matt Tennant C

Why would Tampa want to trade up, though? They need as many good players as they can get. I think they would prefer to stay put with the 3rd overall pick, plus the 3rd and 10th pick in round #2, than to have two first rounders and no second rounders.

I'm not saying they would...but stranger things have happned. If a player happens to fall to 18 that they are in love with you just never know.

williar
02-04-2010, 10:38 PM
That would equate to:

#18 in Round 1: CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
#52 in Round 2 (Trade up): Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida
#82 in Round 3: Larry Asante, S, Nebraska

All we have heard is running the ball more this season. Guess what. You need running backs to do that. We have one. Spiller would be absolutely awesome in all phase of the offensive game plus special teams.

This mock has my vote!

SS Laser
02-05-2010, 02:52 AM
That would equate to:

#18 in Round 1: CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
#52 in Round 2 (Trade up): Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida
#82 in Round 3: Larry Asante, S, Nebraska

All we have heard is running the ball more this season. Guess what. You need running backs to do that. We have one. Spiller would be absolutely awesome in all phase of the offensive game plus special teams.

This mock has my vote!

Has my vote for NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!! :HeadBanger :moon

hawaiiansteel
02-05-2010, 04:01 AM
That would equate to:

#18 in Round 1: CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
#52 in Round 2 (Trade up): Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida
#82 in Round 3: Larry Asante, S, Nebraska

All we have heard is running the ball more this season. Guess what. You need running backs to do that. We have one. Spiller would be absolutely awesome in all phase of the offensive game plus special teams.

This mock has my vote!


NFL Draft Spotlight: C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson
February 4, 2010


By Cory J. Bonini

Clemson senior running back C.J. Spiller enters the 2010 NFL Draft widely rated by draft experts as the No. 1 player at his position. Some people may view him as the best offensive player in general, and he's essentially a lock to hear his name called on the draft's first day. Spiller is the first back in NCAA history with more than 3,000 rushing, 2,000 receiving, 1,000 kick return and 500 punt return yards. He set an all-time record for all-purpose yards per game (191.4) in 2009.

Strengths

Elite speed: expected to run sub-4.40
Elusive runner: amazing open-field ability - lightning quick
Hands: Spiller possesses wide receiver-grade mitts.
Ball skills: catches well in traffic and is capable of tracking down over-the-shoulder throws
Vision: very good at finding cut-back lanes and bouncing out of a pile
Quick feet: has a nasty start-stop move and can juke the best defenders
Has made efforts to become a more complete back
Of strong character

A big-time weapon
World-class return specialist: holds NCAA career record with seven return touchdowns (four in 2009)
Durability: never missed a game at Clemson

Weaknesses

Size: 5-foot-11, 195 pounds - could stand to add a few pounds but will probably sacrifice speed in the process
Blocking: Despite being willing to get in the way, Spiller is far from being a strong blocker.
Tends to bounce outside too much
Doesn't profile as a three-down back
Expected draft placement

Even though Spiller's frame suggests he is a situational player, we question that after seeing what elite speed has done for Tennessee Titans running back Chris Johnson's career. The knocks on the Clemson product are picky. He is a dangerous weapon, and NFL defenses will be forced to account for him regardless of how he is used.

Spiller is a first-round pick, and it will be surprising to see him fall past the Houston Texans at No. 20. The Seattle Seahawks could use one of their first-round picks (No. 6, No. 14) on him, but they currently have more pressing needs to tend to.

Shawn
02-05-2010, 11:38 AM
I really like Spiller. I think we could use him as a back up rb...a 4th WR, and a return man. Those that say he won't get PT early couldn't be more wrong. But, he would indeed be a luxury and wouldn't enhance our ability to pound the rock late in games. He would be a situational player for the Steelers. That combined with our serious needs on D makes me highly doubt the pick.

hawaiiansteel
02-06-2010, 12:18 AM
I really like Spiller. I think we could use him as a back up rb...a 4th WR, and a return man. Those that say he won't get PT early couldn't be more wrong. But, he would indeed be a luxury and wouldn't enhance our ability to pound the rock late in games. He would be a situational player for the Steelers. That combined with our serious needs on D makes me highly doubt the pick.



It may be a moot point because Seattle at #14 and San Francisco at #13 and #16 are rumored to be very interested in C J Spiller. Mike Singletary loves to control games with his running game and is looking for a complement to Frank Gore, I doubt he passes on Spiller twice.

Oviedo
02-06-2010, 02:51 PM
I really like Spiller. I think we could use him as a back up rb...a 4th WR, and a return man. Those that say he won't get PT early couldn't be more wrong. But, he would indeed be a luxury and wouldn't enhance our ability to pound the rock late in games. He would be a situational player for the Steelers. That combined with our serious needs on D makes me highly doubt the pick.



It may be a moot point because Seattle at #14 and San Francisco at #13 and #16 are rumored to be very interested in C J Spiller. Mike Singletary loves to control games with his running game and is looking for a complement to Frank Gore, I doubt he passes on Spiller twice.

Look who they acknowledge as a possible spot for Spiller at the end of the article.



By Chris Steuber
Scout.com NFL Draft Analyst
Posted Feb 5, 2010

Scout.com's NFL Draft Analyst Chris Steuber profiles the top prospects eligible for the 2010 NFL Draft. Learn about Clemson running back C.J. Spiller inside.


C.J. Spiller
School: Clemson
Position: Running Back
Height: 5-11
Weight: 195
Projected 40-Time: 4.35

Star Rating: Grade: 96
Draft Projection: 1st Round

Star rating is based on a prospects standing (as of February 1st) in the 2010 Scout.com Draft Rankings. A prospects grade is measured on the following scale:

85-100 = 1st - 2nd Round
_70-84 = 3rd - 4th Round
_55-69 = 5th - 6th Round
_40-54 = 7th Round - UDFA

Comments


Spiller is one of the most explosive players available in the 2010 NFL Draft.
Al Messerschmidt/Getty Images

Strengths: Spiller is an explosive, big play threat who can impact a game in a variety of ways. Heís patient with the ball in his hands, allows blockers to set up in front of him, quickly recognizes a crease and displays a burst that ultimately leads to big gains. Heís shifty in the open field and is tough to tackle in space. Heís a polished receiver out of the backfield and provides the quarterback with a reliable target who can take it the distance. Heís an elusive return specialist and strikes fear into the opposition with his ability to create. Heís the ultimate offensive weapon.

Weaknesses: Heís not an every down player and is best used in a one-two punch scenario. With the multitude of ways that Spiller is used, durability will always be an issue, and it was an issue during his collegiate career.
Steuber Says: One of the most dynamic players in college football, Spiller will try to dispel the notion that he canít be an every down runner at the next level. He displayed plenty of toughness in 2009; his first season being the featured back at Clemson and recording career highs in every offensive statistical category Ė carries (216), rushing yards (1,212), rushing touchdowns (12), receptions (36), receiving yards (503) and touchdown receptions (4). Not only did Spiller shine on offense, but he also showcased his ability as a return specialist. Spiller exploded this past year for five special teamsí touchdowns, four of them coming on kick returns and the other on a punt return. Thereís no question about Spillerís explosiveness and his ability to score every time he has the ball in his hands, but the question of his durability will continue to come up, and that will be measured on draft day. Spiller will be selected in the first round and will be the first running back taken in the draft, but the range in which he will be drafted in the opening frame is rather large. Spiller could be selected in the top ten to a team like the Seattle Seahawks or the Cleveland Browns, but that appears unlikely. However, the San Francisco 49ers could make a move on him at No. 13, or with the Seahawks also owning the 14th pick, Spiller could be an attractive option for them in the middle of the first round. But if the 49ers pass on Spiller with their first pick and the Seahawks decide not to draft him with either of their two picks, the 49ers could use their second pick in the first round (No. 17) to select him. There are many possible landing spots for Spiller; other destinations also include Pittsburgh at No. 18 and Houston at No. 20.

steelz09
02-06-2010, 06:13 PM
Ok, this is a bit long but here is my draft outlook....

Still think Spiller is a waste of a pick at #18 especially for the Steelers. Again, our 1-2 punch doesn't need to consist of two first round picks. It doesn't make good business sense for the Steelers to do that. And to be quite honest, it's not necessary to do that.

Plenty of very good running backs are available in later rounds. As far as KR/PR go, I'm still not convinced that Burnett can't be a valuable return man for the Steelers. Time will tell. A lot rookies struggle in that area (i.e. Holmes).

I'm not convinced BA is capable of rotating two backs like Spiller and Mendenhall. Let's not forget that Moore is our 3rd down back and that won't change next year regardless if Spiller is a good receiving RB. Mendenhall is also a decent receiving back. So how is BA going to distribute the ball effectively?

Oh, and let's not forget we have a 2-time SB Champion/Pro Bowl QB, a Pro Bowl TE, SB MVP's WR's Hines Ward and Holmes, and up and comer Mike Wallace to also distribute the ball to.. And maybe Sweed will learn how to catch this year, lol.

Our team does NOT lack of weapons. We need to get deeper and younger at the DL. We also need more play makers in the secondary.

However, I'd be surprised if we draft a CB in round 1 given last years two picks. I see Burnett and Lewis seeing more playing time now they have 1 year experience.

I would also be surprised if we draft OL in round 1 unless it's to replace Colon. I see the Steelers making an effort to resign Colon. If that happens then there is really only 2 positions they could be after. 1 could be center although that's not likely since they extended Hartwig. The other is RG and I also see that as unlikely since Urbik, Stapleton, Essex, and Foster will be competing for that 1 starting position.

So, logically where does that put the Steelers?

William Gay struggled terribly and was replaced late in the season. From what I heard last year, Lewis has the size and speed to play CB this year. I'm not sure why he didn't see playing time during the season. If the coaches don't think he's capable this year, then I could see CB in round 1. However, I don't think that's the case. I think the Steelers will have Lewis compete with Gay for the starting CB position next year. Mundy will continue to be a backup IMO. Burnett saw playing time but didn't do so great and I think it was a learning experience. I see Burnett as a starter in our nickel and dime packages.

DE is getting old and still thin. The two young guys showed some promise. Ziggy saw decent playing time and will start at some point. Rashon Harris saw little playing time but I see him as being able to rotate in the future. With that being said, we need to address the NT position regardless of if we franchise Hampton.

Free Safety is another concern. I thought Ryan Clark really struggled last year with the absence of Polamalu. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Earl Thomas or Mays was the pick. I think with some discipline Mays could be a beast. He's a bit over aggressive but with TP at SS, it won't be necessary for him to play like a SS with the Steelers. I thought he played that way at USC this year because their run defense struggled in the games I watched this year. I think RC is a "locker room guy" but I really think we can improve in that area. Like I said, he REALLY struggled without TP.

MLB. I thought James Farrior had his worst year in recent memory. I'm not sure of his total tackles and I'm sure it was a lot but that doesn't tell the whole story. At times we struggled in run defense which is very rare for the Steelers. As much as I like him, Farrior has definitely lost a step and it's only a matter of time until he needs to be replaced. I'm convinced that Keyaron Fox can start in this league but he's more of a Larry Foote type player. He'll be solid especially against the run but isn't a big playmaker. He is also unproven that he could handle starting for a full season. The problem is, behind Fox, there is little to no depth at ILB. We need to get younger here. I would NOT be the least bit surprised if MLB is our pick at #18.

I see defense being the pick at #18. I just don't see how it CAN'T be. And it's not necessarily drafting for "need". I bet there will be someone that is BPA or VERY close to BPA in one of these positions of need that I identified. We could definitely get better and younger at DL, FS,and MLB. It *could* be a possibility that we go for a CB if someone falls but I would bet against it. It also depends on how the Steelers feel about the young guys they drafted last year.

hawaiiansteel
02-06-2010, 07:19 PM
Ok, this is a bit long but here is my draft outlook....


MLB. I thought James Farrior had his worst year in recent memory. I'm not sure of his total tackles and I'm sure it was a lot but that doesn't tell the whole story. At times we struggled in run defense which is very rare for the Steelers. As much as I like him, Farrior has definitely lost a step and it's only a matter of time until he needs to be replaced. I'm convinced that Keyaron Fox can start in this league but he's more of a Larry Foote type player. He'll be solid especially against the run but isn't a big playmaker. He is also unproven that he could handle starting for a full season. The problem is, behind Fox, there is little to no depth at ILB. We need to get younger here. I would NOT be the least bit surprised if MLB is our pick at #18.

I see defense being the pick at #18. I just don't see how it CAN'T be. And it's not necessarily drafting for "need". I bet there will be someone that is BPA or VERY close to BPA in one of these positions of need that I identified. We could definitely get better and younger at DL, FS,and MLB. It *could* be a possibility that we go for a CB if someone falls but I would bet against it. It also depends on how the Steelers feel about the young guys they drafted last year.


Great analysis!

I would add Sean Weatherspoon to your list of possible Steelers' #1 picks for the reasons you mention above. Weatherspoon is better suited to be the 3-4 Mack ILB, Timmons could move over to the Buck position to replace Farrior.

Shawn
02-06-2010, 09:36 PM
I would agree with alot of that. The only two points I would disagree with. Fox plays nothing like Foote. He does play the mack but knows/has ability to play both. He is good in coverage as well as around the LOS. He is a beast...plays very physically. He is just a better LBr than the very average Foote. I have seen enough to know we got our next Farrior with that FA pick up.

Second, Mays is a project at FS. Playing him at FS is like playing Timmons at the mack. It just doesn't suit his skill set. His coverage skills are very average...even less than average. Just say no to Mays.

SS Laser
02-07-2010, 12:08 AM
I would agree with alot of that. The only two points I would disagree with. Fox plays nothing like Foote. He does play the mack but knows/has ability to play both. He is good in coverage as well as around the LOS. He is a beast...plays very physically. He is just a better LBr than the very average Foote. I have seen enough to know we got our next Farrior with that FA pick up.

Second, Mays is a project at FS. Playing him at FS is like playing Timmons at the mack. It just doesn't suit his skill set. His coverage skills are very average...even less than average. Just say no to Mays.

If Mays has the highest rating of players left on the steelers draft board what will they do?

Do you draft him and move Troy to FS? Some media types say teams do not have ss and fs just 2 safetys? Do the steelers play like that?

I wonder if some team falls in love with Mays and would like our spot to take him?

steelz09
02-07-2010, 03:07 PM
I would agree with alot of that. The only two points I would disagree with. Fox plays nothing like Foote. He does play the mack but knows/has ability to play both. He is good in coverage as well as around the LOS. He is a beast...plays very physically. He is just a better LBr than the very average Foote. I have seen enough to know we got our next Farrior with that FA pick up.

Second, Mays is a project at FS. Playing him at FS is like playing Timmons at the mack. It just doesn't suit his skill set. His coverage skills are very average...even less than average. Just say no to Mays.

If Mays has the highest rating of players left on the steelers draft board what will they do?

Do you draft him and move Troy to FS? Some media types say teams do not have ss and fs just 2 safetys? Do the steelers play like that?

I wonder if some team falls in love with Mays and would like our spot to take him?

I would still say we need to address the LB position for depth purposes even if the Steelers feel Fox is Farrior's future replacement. And Fox is already 28. I would like to see possibly Brandon Spikes as a 2nd round pick.

Shawn
02-07-2010, 04:08 PM
I would agree with alot of that. The only two points I would disagree with. Fox plays nothing like Foote. He does play the mack but knows/has ability to play both. He is good in coverage as well as around the LOS. He is a beast...plays very physically. He is just a better LBr than the very average Foote. I have seen enough to know we got our next Farrior with that FA pick up.

Second, Mays is a project at FS. Playing him at FS is like playing Timmons at the mack. It just doesn't suit his skill set. His coverage skills are very average...even less than average. Just say no to Mays.

If Mays has the highest rating of players left on the steelers draft board what will they do?

Do you draft him and move Troy to FS? Some media types say teams do not have ss and fs just 2 safetys? Do the steelers play like that?

I wonder if some team falls in love with Mays and would like our spot to take him?

I'm hoping the Steelers see him as a second round talent...which is what he is...therefore he won't be on our draft board in the first. I don't think we have a need for a safety who can't cover...who plays undisciplined football.

Lebsteel
02-07-2010, 04:25 PM
I would agree with alot of that. The only two points I would disagree with. Fox plays nothing like Foote. He does play the mack but knows/has ability to play both. He is good in coverage as well as around the LOS. He is a beast...plays very physically. He is just a better LBr than the very average Foote. I have seen enough to know we got our next Farrior with that FA pick up.

Second, Mays is a project at FS. Playing him at FS is like playing Timmons at the mack. It just doesn't suit his skill set. His coverage skills are very average...even less than average. Just say no to Mays.

If Mays has the highest rating of players left on the steelers draft board what will they do?

Do you draft him and move Troy to FS? Some media types say teams do not have ss and fs just 2 safetys? Do the steelers play like that?

I wonder if some team falls in love with Mays and would like our spot to take him?

I'm hoping the Steelers see him as a second round talent...which is what he is...therefore he won't be on our draft board in the first. I don't think we have a need for a safety who can't cover...who plays undisciplined football.

Shawn, wow, I totally agree with you on this one!

Shawn
02-07-2010, 06:34 PM
Leb once in awhile I'm right and agree with ya. You know what they say about sunshine and a dog's behind. :mrgreen:

hawaiiansteel
02-07-2010, 09:39 PM
I would agree with alot of that. The only two points I would disagree with. Fox plays nothing like Foote. He does play the mack but knows/has ability to play both. He is good in coverage as well as around the LOS. He is a beast...plays very physically. He is just a better LBr than the very average Foote. I have seen enough to know we got our next Farrior with that FA pick up.

Second, Mays is a project at FS. Playing him at FS is like playing Timmons at the mack. It just doesn't suit his skill set. His coverage skills are very average...even less than average. Just say no to Mays.


if we drafted Weatherspoon who is ideally suited for the 3-4 Mack position we could then move Timmons to the Buck as Farrior's replacement.

Shawn
02-07-2010, 09:52 PM
I would agree with alot of that. The only two points I would disagree with. Fox plays nothing like Foote. He does play the mack but knows/has ability to play both. He is good in coverage as well as around the LOS. He is a beast...plays very physically. He is just a better LBr than the very average Foote. I have seen enough to know we got our next Farrior with that FA pick up.

Second, Mays is a project at FS. Playing him at FS is like playing Timmons at the mack. It just doesn't suit his skill set. His coverage skills are very average...even less than average. Just say no to Mays.


if we drafted Weatherspoon who is ideally suited for the 3-4 Mack position we could then move Timmons to the Buck as Farrior's replacement.


Absolutely...but I wouldn't be so quick to do so. I think Fox is the real deal. Fox is physical enough to play the mack at a high level. I don't think we need to spend a high pick on an ILB. I would rather grab some depth later and either beef up our secondary or DL personally.

hawaiiansteel
02-07-2010, 09:59 PM
I would agree with alot of that. The only two points I would disagree with. Fox plays nothing like Foote. He does play the mack but knows/has ability to play both. He is good in coverage as well as around the LOS. He is a beast...plays very physically. He is just a better LBr than the very average Foote. I have seen enough to know we got our next Farrior with that FA pick up.

Second, Mays is a project at FS. Playing him at FS is like playing Timmons at the mack. It just doesn't suit his skill set. His coverage skills are very average...even less than average. Just say no to Mays.


if we drafted Weatherspoon who is ideally suited for the 3-4 Mack position we could then move Timmons to the Buck as Farrior's replacement.


Absolutely...but I wouldn't be so quick to do so. I think Fox is the real deal. Fox is physical enough to play the mack at a high level. I don't think we need to spend a high pick on an ILB. I would rather grab some depth later and either beef up our secondary or DL personally.


I like the idea, I thought Fox played very well when he was given the chance. If he can start at the Mack we could then move Timmons over to his more natural Buck position as Farrior's eventual replacement and not have to burn an early draft choice on an ILB.