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hawaiiansteel
01-31-2010, 02:58 PM
Steelers: Saturday is judgment day for Dermontti Dawson
Voting him in should be a snap
Sunday, January 31, 2010
By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Chuck Noll, an old guard in his playing days with the Cleveland Browns, drafted one in 1988 in the second round from Kentucky. In the next round, he drafted a center from Notre Dame.

He and the Steelers believed they had just acquired two-thirds of their interior offensive line for the next decade. They were wrong, half wrong anyway. They found their center and missed badly on the other guy, but not the way they had planned.

Chuck Lanza, the center from Notre Dame, washed out quickly. Dermontti Dawson, the guard from Kentucky, moved to center one year later and not only succeeded Hall of Famer Mike Webster to continue the team's grand tradition at the position, but many believe he exceeded Webster's play over the next decade.

Dawson, among the finalists for the Pro Football Hall of Fame Class of 2010 that will be chosen Saturday in Miami, set a new standard for centers throughout the National Football League. Before Dawson, the center position featured men of strength to take on defensive tackles and nose tackles, and smart players who could call the pass protections and adjust blocking schemes for the entire line.

Dawson did that and more. He revolutionized the position because he also had such athletic ability, quickness and speed that he often led sweeps around end, blocked men not just in front of him but to his right, and rarely needed a double-team to block a defensive lineman as most centers did.

There are some who will say he was the greatest center who ever played in the NFL.

"I don't know if he was the first center to snap the football and lead on the sweep, but I've never seen a center do it as good," said Hall of Fame cornerback Rod Woodson. "The guy was a tremendous athlete, the strongest and probably most athletic offensive lineman I've ever seen."

Dick LeBeau has been in the game for 51 years and agrees with Woodson.

"He's the first guy I ever saw as a center pull and lead sweeps," said LeBeau, who coached against Dawson and with him. "And they would lead Dermontti on what we called the 'plus nose tackle,' the guy who sat outside his shoulder with the play going to that side. His blocking assignment was to cut that guy out of that onside gap, almost impossible. But Dermontti could do it because of his quickness. You just don't see that very often."

Dawson not only made seven Pro Bowls before hamstring injuries forced him into retirement after the 2000 season, he was chosen first-team All-Pro six times as the best center in the NFL. He earned the first-team nod at center on the NFL's Team of the Decade for the 1990s. He also was chosen as the NFL's offensive lineman of the year in 1993 and '96 by two organizations and he played in 170 consecutive games.

Those Steelers teams of the 1990s did not dominate the league running the ball just because they wanted to do it.

"To me he was the best athlete to ever play that position," said former Steelers coach Bill Cowher. "He was very powerful and explosive, just a rare combination of quickness, explosion, and he was a very dependable player. This guy hardly ever missed a game.

"He redefined the position. Looking schematically, when you start to design the center to pull after the snap, not many can do it. When you look at the numbers we had in the running game, everything we did worked from the inside out, and to have a guy like Dermontti and such stability, that was a staple of every offense we had."

Cowher might be considered biased on the topic of Dawson, Bill Belichick cannot.

"He was one of the best players that we have ever played against at that position," said Belichick, who played the Steelers twice annually when he coached the Browns in the 1990s. "He had exceptional quickness.

"I think that really is the measure of a center is his ability to play against powerful guys that are lined up over him and try to bull-rush the pocket and collapse it in the middle so that the quarterback can't step up. Dawson had great leverage and quickness with his hands and his feet where he did a great job of keeping that pocket clean for [Neil] O'Donnell and those guys who played behind him.

"The other thing that I think was a key to the Pittsburgh running game for years is when the nose tackle or the defensive tackle is offset to the play side; if you are running to the right and the nose tackle is lined up in the center-guard gap on the right, or sometimes even on the inside shoulder of the guard; that is a very hard block for the center to get. Defensively, you feel like they should not be able to cut him off from the center position, but Dawson made that block consistently."

That is precisely what LeBeau said. Belichick continued his praise of Dawson.

"Without him making those blocks inside, a lot of those runs for [Jerome] Bettis and [Barry] Foster would not have been able to get downhill like they did. As great as those Steelers' running games were over the last decade-and-a-half that I played against them, the effectiveness of the center position has had a lot to do with that. Dawson was outstanding; as well as his protection in the passing game."

Webster and Miami's Dwight Stephenson were considered two very different styles of centers. Webster had the strength, Stephenson the quickness. Both are in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Stephenson played from 1980 to 1987, made six Pro Bowls, five All-Pro teams and was the center on the all-1980s decade team.

"People referred to Dwight as the No. 1 guy but I think Dermontti was every bit his equal in all phases of the game," LeBeau said. "He played ahead of Dermontti, year-wise, but still I think Dermontti was the guy who popularized the pulling center. Dwight did a little bit but Dermontti did it a lot."

Tunch Ilkin, a two-time Pro Bowl right tackle, played on the offensive line with Webster and then with Dawson, and played throughout Stephenson's era.

"In my day, we always argued with guys around the league who was better, Webby or Dwight Stephenson," Ilkin said. "Everyone who picked Dwight picked him because of his athleticism. Those who pick Webby picked him because of his strength, toughness and power.

"If you put them both together, you've got Dermontti Dawson."

SanAntonioSteelerFan
01-31-2010, 03:03 PM
Nice, article, thanks! Hope Dirt makes it! :tt2 :tt1

RuthlessBurgher
01-31-2010, 03:10 PM
If Dirt and LeBeau go in together, we may have to organize a special PlanetSteelers tailgate at induction ceremony in Canton this August. :tt2 :Steel :tt1

flippy
02-01-2010, 09:01 AM
Best Lineman to play the game ever. He should be in already.

MeetJoeGreene
02-01-2010, 10:58 AM
I wouldn't hold your breath about Dirt getting in.

RuthlessBurgher
02-01-2010, 11:11 AM
I wouldn't hold your breath about Dirt getting in.

Unfortunately, I agree. He should have been in the first year he was eligible, but knowing how these voters vote, I doubt it will happen this year.

Here is what I expect to happen (not necessarily what I would do):

Jerry Rice and Emmitt Smith are about the biggest locks imaginable.

I think Shannon Sharpe gets in (best stats for a TE when he retired, although many of those records have been surpassed by Tony Gonzalez since then).

I think another WR gets in (Cris Carter, Andre Reed, and Tim Brown are all finalists. I suspect it will be Carter's year).

I think they will induct one defensive player among the modern candidates, because that is an awful lot of offensive skill, and they don't want to appear to be biased toward skill players, even though they obviously are (Richard Dent, Rickey Jackson, John Randle, Charles Haley, and Cortez Kennedy are finalists...I think the edge goes to Dent).

I think among the seniors, LeBeau gets in and Little does not.

There is your class: Rice, Smith, Sharpe, Carter, Dent, and LeBeau.

I think I would take: Rice, Smith, Sharpe, LeBeau, Dermontti Dawson, and Rickey Jackson.

phillyesq
02-01-2010, 11:36 AM
This was a great read. Dawson is certainly deserving by any conceivable definition one might have for a hall of famer. He was the best at his position for a long time. If not this year, I hope to see him soon.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
02-01-2010, 01:49 PM
I read in SI I think that the senior category (LeBeau) needs 80% to get in. And theoretically he would have to go in on his record as a defensive back alone, not his coaching/coordinator skills.

Do they even have a HOF for coordinators?

Oviedo
02-01-2010, 02:29 PM
I don't see Dawson making it. Too much anti Steelers bias because of the perception there are too many Steelers there now. Just a bunch of envy from sportwriters who support teams the Steelers have beaten.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
02-01-2010, 05:46 PM
I wouldn't hold your breath about Dirt getting in.

MJG - you wouldn't hold his breath? That's kind of weird to think about, how do you hold someone else's breath? :?

(BTW - anyone know the rules for "senior" candidates, is it really 80%? ... and is there a HOF for coordinators?)

RuthlessBurgher
02-01-2010, 07:54 PM
Every candidate (Senior or modern-day) must receive at least 80 percent approval in order to be elected. The only advantages the Seniors had were that they were automatically made finalists, meaning that the Selection Committee will vote on them at their meeting this week. They did not have be whittled down to the final 15 via mail vote like the modern-day guys did.

If anyone is interested, here are the voters:

Pro Football Hall of Fame Selection Committee

Arizona Kent Somers, Arizona Republic
Atlanta Len Pasquarelli, ESPN.com
Baltimore Scott Garceau, WMAR-TV
Buffalo Mark Gaughan, Buffalo News
Carolina Charles Chandler, Charlotte Observer
Chicago Dan Pompei, Chicago Tribune*
Cincinnati Joe Reedy, Cincinnati Enquirer
Cleveland Tony Grossi, Cleveland Plain Dealer
Dallas Rick Gosselin, Dallas Morning News*
Denver Jeff Legwold, Denver Post
Detroit Tom Kowalski, Booth Newspapers
Green Bay Cliff Christl, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
Houston John McClain, Houston Chronicle*
Indianapolis Mike Chappell, Indianapolis Star
Jacksonville Sam Kouvaris, WJXT-TV
Kansas City Bob Gretz, KCFootballReport.com
Miami Edwin Pope, Miami Herald*
Minnesota Sid Hartman, The Minneapolis Star-Tribune
New England Ron Borges, Boston Herald*
New Orleans Pete Finney, Times-Picayune
New York (Giants) Vinny DiTrani, Bergen Record
New York (Jets) Gary Myers, New York Daily News
Oakland Frank Cooney, The Sports Xchange
Philadelphia Paul Domowitch, Philadelphia Daily News
Pittsburgh Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
St. Louis Bernie Miklasz, St. Louis Post-Dispatch
San Diego Nick Canepa, San Diego Union Tribune
San Francisco Nancy Gay, AOL Sports/Fanhouse
Seattle Mike Sando, ESPN.com
Tampa Bay Ira Kaufman, Tampa Tribune
Tennessee David Climer, The Tennessean
Washington David Elfin, Washington Times
PFWA Alex Marvez, FOXSports.com
At Large Howard Balzer, The Sports Xchange
At Large Jarrett Bell, USA Today
At Large John Clayton, ESPN/ESPN Magazine
At Large John Czarnecki, FOXSports.com*
At Large Dave Goldberg, AOL Sports/Fanhouse*
At Large Peter King, Sports Illustrated
At Large Ira Miller, The Sports Xchange*
At Large Len Shapiro, Miami Herald*
At Large Vito Stellino, Florida Times Union
At Large Jim Trotter, Sports Illustrated
At Large Charean Williams, Ft. Worth Star Telegram

And, no, there is no separate Hall of Fame for coordinators.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
02-02-2010, 12:13 AM
...

And, no, there is no separate Hall of Fame for coordinators.

Oiy, what I guess I meant to ask was: Can a coordinator get into the HOF without also being a HOF player or HOF coach? Or is the HOF coach category reserved for head coaches only?

Thanks :D

stlrz d
02-02-2010, 12:42 AM
...

And, no, there is no separate Hall of Fame for coordinators.

Oiy, what I guess I meant to ask was: Can a coordinator get into the HOF without also being a HOF player or HOF coach? Or is the HOF coach category reserved for head coaches only?

Thanks :D

Only head coaches.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
02-02-2010, 12:51 AM
...

And, no, there is no separate Hall of Fame for coordinators.

Oiy, what I guess I meant to ask was: Can a coordinator get into the HOF without also being a HOF player or HOF coach? Or is the HOF coach category reserved for head coaches only?

Thanks :D

Only head coaches.

Thanks for the 411 stlrz d, but that does suck - hope he gets in as a player, maybe with a bit of unnoficial bias working his way as a result of his ultimate coordinatorism, uhm, coordinatorhood.