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hawaiiansteel
01-27-2010, 05:49 PM
Casey Hampton has made similar comments about not wanting to be tagged, would you tag him anyway after reading this kind of an article and realizing just how unhappy Big Snack would be if we did so anyway against his wishes?


Wilfork: Pats haven't called about deal
ESPNBoston.com

Defensive tackle Vince Wilfork said Wednesday he would consider it a "slap in the face" if the New England Patriots place the franchise tag on him, which is expected if a long-term extension is not reached.

[The franchise tag] is decent money for most people out there. What I do, it's OK. But I don't look at myself as an OK player. ... It's just basically a slap in my face and an insult to me to basically tell me I'm an OK player."

"I want a long-term deal or I want to be free. Point blank," Wilfork said during an interview on Boston sports radio station WEEI.

Wilfork, who has been vocal since about his desire for an extension, just finished the final season of a six-year rookie contract. He is in line for a raise and long-term deal if he hits the open market. The Patriots could prevent him from being a free agent if they place the franchise tag on him, which they could during a two-week stretch in February.

"I didn't like that six-year deal but I did honor my six-year deal," Wilfork said on WEEI. "Now that the deal is up, it's time for me to move forward, with the Patriots or without the Patriots."

Wilfork, 28, is a two-time Pro Bowler. He would view being tagged as an insult by the Patriots.

"[The franchise tag] is decent money for most people out there. What I do, it's OK," Wilfork said. "But I don't look at myself as an OK player. Like I said, it's just basically a slap in my face and an insult to me to basically tell me I'm an OK player."

For Wilfork, the franchise tag -- which is a one-year deal -- also means a missed opportunity to gain long-term financial security for his family.

"There's a short window of opportunity for me to make the type of money that I want to make ..." Wilfork said. "I'm not selling my family short and I'm definitely not selling myself short just to stay back and to win and be part of a great organization.

Shawn
01-27-2010, 06:56 PM
Yes you still tag the Snack. If he is willing to laydown on his team...he will kill his ability to get a nice contract with anyone in the future.

hawaiiansteel
01-27-2010, 08:04 PM
Yes you still tag the Snack. If he is willing to laydown on his team...he will kill his ability to get a nice contract with anyone in the future.


I read somewhere that Casey is claiming he has been promised that he would not be tagged. I don't know who supposedly said it, but it would be hard to go back on your word if that is indeed true.

Shawn
01-27-2010, 08:08 PM
Yes you still tag the Snack. If he is willing to laydown on his team...he will kill his ability to get a nice contract with anyone in the future.


I read somewhere that Casey is claiming he has been promised that he would not be tagged. I don't know who supposedly said it, but it would be hard to go back on your word if that is indeed true.

Front Office bs all the time. I get bs'd at my place of employment...nah Shawn...it's a great place to work...just need you for a few hours to cover. If someone said that to him...they shouldn't have because if they can't reach a deal they will tag him. They would be stupid not to.

hawaiiansteel
01-27-2010, 08:11 PM
Yes you still tag the Snack. If he is willing to laydown on his team...he will kill his ability to get a nice contract with anyone in the future.


I read somewhere that Casey is claiming he has been promised that he would not be tagged. I don't know who supposedly said it, but it would be hard to go back on your word if that is indeed true.

Front Office bs all the time. I get bs'd at my place of employment...nah Shawn...it's a great place to work...just need you for a few hours to cover. If someone said that to him...they shouldn't have because if they can't reach a deal they will tag him. They would be stupid not to.


I agree, especially since the amount of money necessary to tag him wouldn't be that exorbitant at all.

stlrz d
01-27-2010, 09:29 PM
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RuthlessBurgher
01-27-2010, 09:51 PM
How in the hell is the franchise tag a slap in the face in which "basically tell me I'm an OK player"???

News flash...the franchise tag pays you THE AVERAGE OF THE TOP FIVE HIGHEST-PAID PLAYERS AT YOUR POSITION IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE. That's not just saying you are "okay"...that is saying that you are invaluable and the team does not want to lose your services. The franchise tag does not prevent you from then signing a long-term deal with a big ol' signing bonus...that is exactly what we did with Max Starks. It basically buys the player and the team more bargaining time to work out a deal, and if they are not able to agree to such a deal, the player is still paid handsomely for that one year of service.

feltdizz
01-27-2010, 10:37 PM
How in the hell is the franchise tag a slap in the face in which "basically tell me I'm an OK player"???

News flash...the franchise tag pays you THE AVERAGE OF THE TOP FIVE HIGHEST-PAID PLAYERS AT YOUR POSITION IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE. That's not just saying you are "okay"...that is saying that you are invaluable and the team does not want to lose your services. The franchise tag does not prevent you from then signing a long-term deal with a big ol' signing bonus...that is exactly what we did with Max Starks. It basically buys the player and the team more bargaining time to work out a deal, and if they are not able to agree to such a deal, the player is still paid handsomely for that one year of service.
What about injury? Vinnateri said he left the Pats because the franchise tag. I think it's not being able to test the market and feeling handcuffed by your boss.

msp26505
01-28-2010, 09:31 AM
For Wilfork, the franchise tag -- which is a one-year deal -- also means a missed opportunity to gain long-term financial security for his family.

"There's a short window of opportunity for me to make the type of money that I want to make ..." Wilfork said. "I'm not selling my family short and I'm definitely not selling myself short just to stay back and to win and be part of a great organization.

This quote just about makes me sick. I'm fortunate enough to make a good living doing something I love, but am by no means what anyone would consider "rich".

If you assume the average American makes around $50 K per year, these spoiled punks will make WAY more in one season than most regular folks will make in a 30 to 40-year career, and many people will be doing something they don't even enjoy.

Get a freaking clue and STFU, Wilfork.

NorthCoast
01-29-2010, 07:15 PM
For Wilfork, the franchise tag -- which is a one-year deal -- also means a missed opportunity to gain long-term financial security for his family.

"There's a short window of opportunity for me to make the type of money that I want to make ..." Wilfork said. "I'm not selling my family short and I'm definitely not selling myself short just to stay back and to win and be part of a great organization.

This quote just about makes me sick. I'm fortunate enough to make a good living doing something I love, but am by no means what anyone would consider "rich".

If you assume the average American makes around $50 K per year, these spoiled punks will make WAY more in one season than most regular folks will make in a 30 to 40-year career, and many people will be doing something they don't even enjoy.

Get a freaking clue and STFU, Wilfork.

I share your sentiments but part of me understands Wilfork's comments. I see young guys coming out of school at our company making 80% of what I am making after 25 yrs on the job. I understand the 'salary compression' thing, but if I had some way to make a quantum leap in pay I guess I would take a shot. However, I wouldn't consider it a 'slap in the face' to be a top percentile wage-earner.

hawaiiansteel
01-29-2010, 11:20 PM
For Wilfork, the franchise tag -- which is a one-year deal -- also means a missed opportunity to gain long-term financial security for his family.

"There's a short window of opportunity for me to make the type of money that I want to make ..." Wilfork said. "I'm not selling my family short and I'm definitely not selling myself short just to stay back and to win and be part of a great organization.

This quote just about makes me sick. I'm fortunate enough to make a good living doing something I love, but am by no means what anyone would consider "rich".

If you assume the average American makes around $50 K per year, these spoiled punks will make WAY more in one season than most regular folks will make in a 30 to 40-year career, and many people will be doing something they don't even enjoy.

Get a freaking clue and STFU, Wilfork.

I share your sentiments but part of me understands Wilfork's comments. I see young guys coming out of school at our company making 80% of what I am making after 25 yrs on the job. I understand the 'salary compression' thing, but if I had some way to make a quantum leap in pay I guess I would take a shot. However, I wouldn't consider it a 'slap in the face' to be a top percentile wage-earner.


You know, I actually wouldn't mind being "slapped in the face" like that... :lol:

feltdizz
01-30-2010, 01:19 AM
For Wilfork, the franchise tag -- which is a one-year deal -- also means a missed opportunity to gain long-term financial security for his family.

"There's a short window of opportunity for me to make the type of money that I want to make ..." Wilfork said. "I'm not selling my family short and I'm definitely not selling myself short just to stay back and to win and be part of a great organization.

This quote just about makes me sick. I'm fortunate enough to make a good living doing something I love, but am by no means what anyone would consider "rich".

If you assume the average American makes around $50 K per year, these spoiled punks will make WAY more in one season than most regular folks will make in a 30 to 40-year career, and many people will be doing something they don't even enjoy.

Get a freaking clue and STFU, Wilfork.

I share your sentiments but part of me understands Wilfork's comments. I see young guys coming out of school at our company making 80% of what I am making after 25 yrs on the job. I understand the 'salary compression' thing, but if I had some way to make a quantum leap in pay I guess I would take a shot. However, I wouldn't consider it a 'slap in the face' to be a top percentile wage-earner.

if your boss gave you a 40% raise but told you one year from now you would be no longer under contract would you take it? Would it be fair? Wouldn't you rather take a 20% raise and 3 years of security? Also like you said... every year new young guys are coming into the company too.

It's not so crazy when people step back and get over the fact the NFL is not like our jobs. We are talking about the best of the best. something only a select few can do. If a guy is offered 6 mill it's because he is worth it if not more.

NorthCoast
01-31-2010, 10:24 AM
It's not so crazy when people step back and get over the fact the NFL is not like our jobs. We are talking about the best of the best. something only a select few can do. If a guy is offered 6 mill it's because he is worth it if not more.

This sounds a whole lot like the comments we hear from the the bankers on Wall Street or executives of big companies. I have a hard time believing the 'supply' of people for these jobs is as limited as what is being touted. The pool of athletes might be smaller, but they're are plenty of undrafted FA's that make it big in the NFL when given the chance.

Oviedo
01-31-2010, 10:38 AM
For Wilfork, the franchise tag -- which is a one-year deal -- also means a missed opportunity to gain long-term financial security for his family.

"There's a short window of opportunity for me to make the type of money that I want to make ..." Wilfork said. "I'm not selling my family short and I'm definitely not selling myself short just to stay back and to win and be part of a great organization.

This quote just about makes me sick. I'm fortunate enough to make a good living doing something I love, but am by no means what anyone would consider "rich".

If you assume the average American makes around $50 K per year, these spoiled punks will make WAY more in one season than most regular folks will make in a 30 to 40-year career, and many people will be doing something they don't even enjoy.

Get a freaking clue and STFU, Wilfork.

I share your sentiments but part of me understands Wilfork's comments. I see young guys coming out of school at our company making 80% of what I am making after 25 yrs on the job. I understand the 'salary compression' thing, but if I had some way to make a quantum leap in pay I guess I would take a shot. However, I wouldn't consider it a 'slap in the face' to be a top percentile wage-earner.


You know, I actually wouldn't mind being "slapped in the face" like that... :lol:

Yes. It would be hard making your familiy multi-generational millionaires with one years worth of salary. I'd suffer through that.

hawaiiansteel
01-31-2010, 03:11 PM
Franchise tag not popular with NFL players
By Scott Brown, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Sunday, January 31, 2010


FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. The average fan may not be able to relate to an NFL player speaking out against something that would guarantee him more than $6 million for one season.

But Carolina Panthers defensive end Julius Peppers understands why Casey Hampton is so opposed to the idea of the Steelers using a franchise tag on the veteran nose tackle before the start of the free-agent signing period.

"It's a large sum of money," said Peppers, who made almost $9 million last season as the Panthers' franchise player. "But if you're looking for a long-term deal and then you're restricted, you're not able to secure your future. So that's why most guys are against it."

Hampton, who is an unrestricted free agent, made it clear that he is against the Steelers tagging him even if they do so with the intention of buying more negotiating time with the ninth-year veteran.

"It's going to be a problem if I get franchised," Hampton told The Tribune-Review Friday.

The Steelers have said they want Hampton back in 2010, and they have not committed to using the franchise tag on him.

With the free agency period starting March 5, time is of the essence if the two sides are to agree on a multi-year contract.

With that key date approaching, the franchise tag has become a topic of discussion at the Pro Bowl, which will be played today.

New England nose tackle Vince Wilfork has taken a stance similar to Hampton, saying he will be insulted if the Patriots use a franchise tag on him.

Peppers said there are multiple reasons why players don't like the franchise tag, even though it guarantees that they will be among the highest-paid players at their position for the upcoming season.

Perhaps the biggest drawback to the franchise tag is that it delays premier players from hitting the open market for a year. That is no small consideration in a sport as violent as football and for a player such as Hampton, who turns 33 in September.

"You might get injured, production might fall off, you don't know," Peppers said. "If you're able to go out and get that (long-term) deal, of course that's what you want."

But long-term contracts in the NFL don't offer players the same level of security that they do in Major League Baseball and the NBA since only part of the NFL money is guaranteed.

Of course, long-term contracts are still safer for players than the one-year deals that come with the franchise designation.

The Steelers, as an example, will have to offer Hampton a one-year contract in excess of $6 million if they use a franchise tag on him.

Ken Zuckerman, an agent for Priority Sports & Entertainment, said a player of Hampton's caliber might command a five-year deal worth as much as $40 million on the open market.

Roughly half of that, Zuckerman said, would be guaranteed.

Simple arithmetic, he added, shows why a player such as Hampton frowns upon the idea of getting tagged even though that might make the most sense for the Steelers from a business standpoint.

"You want to guarantee yourself $20 million instead of $6 million," Zuckerman said. "A player doesn't want to play on a one-year (contract) in this game. It's such a dangerous, volatile game."

That reality may be why outside James Harrison said he would have "definitely" been upset had the Steelers let him finish the four-year contract he signed in 2006 and then used a franchise tag on him.

It never reached that point as the Steelers signed Harrison last April to a six-year deal that made him the highest-paid defensive player in franchise history.

Harrison, who will play in his third consecutive Pro Bowl tonight, was one of a handful of key veterans that the Steelers locked up before they went into the final year of their contract.

Hampton, a five-time Pro Bowler, didn't get a new deal, and he has framed his contract issue as one of fairness.

He said he merely wants the Steelers to reciprocate on the commitment he has shown to them or let him test the open market without restrictions.

"I think franchising me is not fair," Hampton said. "They say we're going to get (a deal) done, so we'll see."

A CLOSER LOOK

The franchise tag has been a part of the NFL since 1993. Teams are allowed to use one franchise tag a year on one of their own free agents. Here are the two franchise tags available to teams and how they are different.

Exclusive: Players are offered a one-year contact that is the average of the five highest salaries at that position the previous season. Unrestricted free agents that get the "exclusive" tag are not permitted to negotiate with other teams.

Non-exclusive: The contract is the same as with the exclusive tag, but other teams are allowed to negotiate with "non-exclusive" franchise players. Any offers made to these players can be matched, and if that player's team declines to match an offer, it gets two first-round picks in return.