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fordfixer
01-24-2010, 10:15 AM
Colon: Steelers lacked an identity
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 23, 2010 8:52 PM ET
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -identity/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/23/colon-steelers-lacked-an-identity/)

Add another voice to the chorus singing that Pittsburgh needs to get back to "Steeler football."

Right tackle Willie Colon says he bit his tongue during the season, but made it clear he was uneasy with the direction of the team's offense.

"We haven't had an identity," Colon to the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. "We'll throw the ball really well, and then there will be some games where we run the ball really well. Being committed to the run will help us manage the game better.''

We'd argue that late game defensive collapses and terrible special teams play were equally important factors in Pittsburgh's 9-7 record. But Colon says the Steelers didn't play to their linemen's strengths.

"We have the ability to pass block -- we have athletic guys that can get it done,'' said Colon. "[But] when you look at the mind-set of a lot of our guys, running the ball probably is our suit. We have a bunch of guys that love to get after it.''

Colon has allies in coach Mike Tomlin and team president Art Rooney II.

"I think Mike and I certainly agreed coming off the season that we need to run the ball more consistently to get to where we want to get to," Rooney said last week.

Now it's up to offensive coordinator Bruce Arians to deliver.

msp26505
01-24-2010, 04:48 PM
Never going to happen...

The only people who want the Steelers to be able to run the ball well are the fans, owners, coaches, and players.

This is, after all, a passing league now.

hawaiiansteel
01-24-2010, 04:56 PM
Maybe Bruce Arians can do some research on the internet and see if he can find a couple of running plays that work on 3rd and 1 :HeadBanger

feltdizz
01-24-2010, 05:21 PM
We don't lack identity... We just switched our identity and the OL hasn't adjusted. I understand their big azzzez want to run more... but it would be nice if they executed on the short yardage and when we are up by 10. I'll take consistency over identity any day. Hopefully the new OL coach fixes this problem.

papillon
01-24-2010, 05:35 PM
We don't lack identity... We just switched our identity and the OL hasn't adjusted. I understand their big azzzez want to run more... but it would be nice if they executed on the short yardage and when we are up by 10. I'll take consistency over identity any day. Hopefully the new OL coach fixes this problem.

Identity and consistency are pretty much the same thing. You get an identity when you're consistent on offense. The Steelers' offense was never consistent enough in either phase of offense to establish an identity.

Pappy

Chadman
01-24-2010, 05:46 PM
It'll be interesting to see what this new-found desire to be a running team will mean in regards to the draft & FA.

With Parker likely gone, and no RB on the roster, there could be AT LEAST 2 new additions at RB this off season...just where will they come from?

papillon
01-24-2010, 05:49 PM
It'll be interesting to see what this new-found desire to be a running team will mean in regards to the draft & FA.

With Parker likely gone, and no RB on the roster, there could be AT LEAST 2 new additions at RB this off season...just where will they come from?

Rounds 4-7 or UDFA any sooner than that and Steeler games will look like arena football. No defense and a lot of scoring.

Pappy

hawaiiansteel
01-24-2010, 05:55 PM
It'll be interesting to see what this new-found desire to be a running team will mean in regards to the draft & FA.

With Parker likely gone, and no RB on the roster, there could be AT LEAST 2 new additions at RB this off season...just where will they come from?


We do have Rashard Mendenhall and Mewelde Moore, I think we may draft a RB in the later rounds to compete with Frank Summers, Isaac Redman and Justin Vincent.

Question is, will we be adding a FB or does Bruce Arians still not believe in one? :stirpot

skyhawk
01-24-2010, 05:58 PM
Horse crap.

I still think it's lack of conditioning on both sides of football.

They were mentally and physically tired all season.

Chadman
01-24-2010, 06:05 PM
Nothing from Summers, Redman or Vincent has convinced Chadman they are viable options if Mendy gets hurt.

A FA pick-up is a good option to play #2, and Chadman likes Toby Gerhart from Stanford to play the "Mike Alstott" role- FB & Short Yardage.

If the Steelers grabbed Gerhart in, say Round 4, then Chadman would love the Steelers to use one of their 'extra' picks (compensatory- whenever they may be) on LeMarkus Coker from Hampton. Former Tenn RB that got punted for drug related issues, but turned his life around at Hampton. It's rumoured he'll run a sub 4.3 at the combine- that puts him in Chris Johnson territory.

hawaiiansteel
01-24-2010, 06:12 PM
Nothing from Summers, Redman or Vincent has convinced Chadman they are viable options if Mendy gets hurt.

A FA pick-up is a good option to play #2, and Chadman likes Toby Gerhart from Stanford to play the "Mike Alstott" role- FB & Short Yardage.



Which of these free agents would you suggest?

2010 NFL Free Agent Running Backs




Cadillac Williams, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (28)
Like his college teammate Ronnie Brown, Cadillac Williams has had a rebirth of sorts after a couple injury-plagued seasons. He’s reclaimed the starting gig in Tampa Bay and done about as well as you can expect in Tampa while sharing carries in a deep backfield. If he can make it through the year healthy, the Buccaneers should look to re-sign him to a mid-level contract, with plenty of cap space available. He has played a lot better than his volume production indicates because the offense has been unable to stay on the field for extended periods. Looking at his career numbers, he excels as the game rolls into the third quarter and beyond, particularly on carries 11 to 15. He’s reached that upper bound only four times this season. If the Bucs can generate continuity on offense and have the ability to remain balanced, Williams’ numbers should also increase.

Darren Sproles, San Diego Chargers (27)
It’s very difficult to measure the importance of Darren Sproles because his greatest value isn’t as a traditional runner. With Tomlinson also struggling to get the running game moving, Sproles’ lack of success pounding the ball can be partially attributed to a below average run blocking unit. Still, Sproles is best when put on a touch count and given most of his work on screens and the return game. He won’t make $6.6 million a year, like he’s making on his franchise tender, but will get a good mid-level contract rewarding him for his explosiveness and unique contributions. Sproles is one of the league’s best back-up or change-of-pace backs. As an unrestricted free agent, I have the hunch that other teams will overpay for his services, while the Chargers will rely on their history of drafting successful running backs to keep the running game alive. It could be fullback Mike Tolbert who sees his share of touches increase.

Mike Bell, New Orleans Saints (27)
Splitting time with Pierre Thomas, Mike Bell has been an effective inside power-runner for the Saints as he was for the Broncos in his rookie season. Both Bell and Thomas provide a simple, but effective running game. If New Orleans unloads Reggie Bush’s $13.5 million cap charge by next season, they’ll have plenty of room to return Bell and Thomas, back to The Big Easy, while still having plenty of money left over.

LenDale White, Tennessee Titans (25)
With the explosion of Chris Johnson as the league’s best running back this season, White has seen his carries scaled back big time. Over the last 5 games, White has been given a total of 11 carries, less than his average per game last year. According to the Nashville Tennessean, White has gone on the record saying, “I don’t want to sit here and play backup to nobody. I refuse. I don’t want to.” This is a good sign that White is as good as gone next year, putting a decent goal line, power back on the market. It’s his attitude and questionable work ethic that potential suitors will have to explore.


Leon Washington, New York Jets (28)
It’s always unfortunate to see any player get injured, but it’s all the more painful to see them go down on a contract year. The broken leg should heal in a couple months, but it will most likely eat into what could have been a big payday. Washington is similar to Sproles, but a better pure runner. Washington has the speed to turn the corner and be the great complementary back. He has added value as a kick returner where he’s among the NFL’s most feared. This summer, he turned down a number of contract offers in hopes of a huge payday in free agency, so we’ll see if he drops his asking price. If his asking price remains high, he would also risk playing for just a Restricted Free Agent contract if a new CBA isn’t reached.

Jerious Norwood, Atlanta Falcons (27)
Norwood has been largely unproductive this season thanks to injuries, but returned to the field in Week 12. With Michael Turner also battling some injuries, Norwood should get the opportunity to display his talents despite a productive Jason Snelling also pleading his case. Norwood can’t be counted on as an every down back, but will sign a contract indicative of his role as it’s been in Atlanta. He’s a back-up with plenty speed to put a scare into defenses.

Chester Taylor, Minnesota Vikings (30)
Running behind Adrian Peterson, Taylor hasn’t gotten nearly the amount of touches he could be elsewhere. You do have to tip your hat to the Vikings coaching staff though for using him to the best of his abilities. His rushing numbers are the worst of his career, but his true value comes as a 3rd down back and in his ability to catch the ball out of the backfield. Even with his age, Taylor will continue to be an effective back for several years in a Kevin Faulk type role. If the Vikings don’t try hard to retain him, he could move to another contender and have success elsewhere. Taylor appears to be peaking at just the right time, averaging 6.1 yards per carry over the last four weeks.

Willie Parker, Pittsburgh Steelers (29)
Since being sidelined in Week 4, Parker has averaged only 4 carries per game in 7 games since. The run game now belongs to first-round pick Rashard Mendenhall who has done a great job since being given the starting job. Parker has been virtually non-existent and unproductive this season. After this season, there won’t be much interest in Parker, but the Steelers may be willing to keep him around on an incentive-based deal based upon his career accomplishments in Pittsburgh to serve as the full-time backup to Mendenhall. Parker could just as easily try moving on to look for a bigger role.

Other Notable Free Agents:

Kenneth Darby, St. Louis Rams (27)
Kevin Faulk, New England Patriots (34)
Jerome Harrison, Cleveland Browns (27)
Le’Ron McClain, Baltimore Ravens (25) – Restricted FA
Adrian Peterson, Chicago Bears (31)
Kolby Smith, Kansas City Chiefs (25) – Restricted FA
Jason Snelling, Atlanta Falcons (26) – Restricted FA
DeShawn Wynn, Green Bay Packers (26) – Restricted FA
Justin Griffith, Seattle Seahawks (30) – Fullback
John Kuhn, Green Bay Packers (27) – Fullback
Tony Richardson, New York Jets (38) – Fullback
Naufahu Tahi, Minnesota Vikings (28) – Fullback
Mike Tolbert, San Diego Chargers (24) – Fullback – Exclusive Rights FA
Leonard Weaver, Philadelphia Eagles (27) – Fullback

Chadman
01-24-2010, 06:18 PM
From that list- Leanard Weaver.

BURGH86STEEL
01-24-2010, 06:24 PM
From that list- Leanard Weaver.

Weaver is a pretty good player. He did good for the Eagles this season. I think he wants to stay in Philly and get paid. Not sure the Steelers would put up the type of money needed to sign him.

NJ-STEELER
01-24-2010, 06:40 PM
this is the (pretty much) same line that tried to run from the 1 yard line 4 times in a row vs. a "smaller" colts defense in 08 only to fail , right?

hawaiiansteel
01-24-2010, 06:44 PM
From that list- Leanard Weaver.

Weaver is a pretty good player. He did good for the Eagles this season. I think he wants to stay in Philly and get paid. Not sure the Steelers would put up the type of money needed to sign him.



Weaver will be a starting FB for the NFC in the Pro Bowl this year and will want to get paid accordingly.

Does anyone know if Arians even knows how to employ a FB?

BURGH86STEEL
01-24-2010, 07:01 PM
From that list- Leanard Weaver.

Weaver is a pretty good player. He did good for the Eagles this season. I think he wants to stay in Philly and get paid. Not sure the Steelers would put up the type of money needed to sign him.



Weaver will be a starting FB for the NFC in the Pro Bowl this year and will want to get paid accordingly.

Does anyone know if Arians even knows how to employ a FB?

The offense is more about giving Ben more passing options. I think the Oline needs to do a better job in short yardage situations. That is something they struggled doing consistently well. A FB won't cure that problem. The run game starts and ends with the guys up front.

feltdizz
01-24-2010, 08:23 PM
this is the (pretty much) same line that tried to run from the 1 yard line 4 times in a row vs. a "smaller" colts defense in 08 only to fail , right?

pretty much...

hawaiiansteel
01-24-2010, 08:40 PM
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From that list- Leanard Weaver.

Weaver is a pretty good player. He did good for the Eagles this season. I think he wants to stay in Philly and get paid. Not sure the Steelers would put up the type of money needed to sign him.



Weaver will be a starting FB for the NFC in the Pro Bowl this year and will want to get paid accordingly.

Does anyone know if Arians even knows how to employ a FB?

The offense is more about giving Ben more passing options. I think the Oline needs to do a better job in short yardage situations. That is something they struggled doing consistently well. A FB won't cure that problem. The run game starts and ends with the guys up front.


My hope is that our new OL coach will teach the line some better blocking schemes, our linemen often looked confused as to who to pick up on blitzes and were unable to get any kind of push on short-yardage situations.

Shoe
01-24-2010, 09:59 PM
This is, after all, a passing league now.

You may be joking, but you happen to be right.
If they (Tomlin and the rest) are thinking that we need better balance and stuff... I'm all for that. If they are thinking that we need to "get back to Steeler football", with predominate run--THAT IS BIG MISTAKE.

Cuz as you correctly pointed out: it is a passing league.

steelblood
01-24-2010, 10:57 PM
FBs don't make that much, even all-pro FBs. If we wanted weaver, we could get him.

pfelix73
01-24-2010, 11:40 PM
A FB most certainly WILL have an impact in short yardage situations as long as the dumba$$ RB follows him.

We'll see just how much control Tomlin has with his offense. We'll see if it's the same old thing next year, or if Tomlin puts his foot down and forces BA to make some changes in his philosophy. It'll probably stay the same, IMO.
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